I had the flu 100% certain... And tested negative for covid. I think covid is real and different (lung damage and loss of taste and smell) but flu deaths are obviously being piled into covid.
Sounds like an upper respiratory tract infection (i.e. common cold) combined with a bacterial infection due to rebreathing common gut flora (mycoplasma) or other fungal infection (thrush). Such a combination could cause lung, heart, and other tissue damage and individually could lead to pneumonia. Patients with underlying conditions and/or advanced age would be most threatened by such a combination.
The blood clots are the most interesting part of Covid in my opinion, and why I personally believe it's a biological weapon and that the bat story is batshit. Severe blood clotting isn't seen in other respiratory illnesses, never-mind all the other ridiculous and seemingly random symptoms that seem to appear with covid.
No. They rebranded a half a different common illnesses and sold them to scared sheep as a plague. Check the stats. Influenza isn't the only disease that disappeared. And then sold an experimental gene therapy as the solution. God help us.
I do agree but I've never seen so many people lose their taste and smell in 1 year while sick and my church got hit by it pretty hard multiple times, as well as many of the nursing homes in my community. So no, it's a new virus, created and released. It's just not deadly so they had to pile all the numbers from other illnesses. This has never happened to this extent.
Covid is definitely real, just not nearly as bad as they make it out obviously
"Hey covidiot, how come flu deaths disappeared when covid came around?"
"Because everyone was wearing a mask and social distancing, dumbass!"
"Okay, so how come covid cases keep rising?"
"Because no one is wearing a mask or social distancing like they're supposed to!"
"....."
Or
They can use the multiassay with a cT of 38 and the flu is labeled as not positive but the covid is even though neither are a high enough viral load to really count as positive case that is asymptomatic.
Or
They can use the multiassay with a cT of 38 and the flu is labeled as not positive but the covid is even though neither are a high enough viral load to really count as positive case that is asymptomatic.
I have this argument all the time. They then say it is because Sars_2 or whatever is more infectious than influenza virus. Proof? Look at all the positive "confirmed" cases of Covid. It is a typical, leftist self fulfilling prophecy which they are outstanding at setting up in this country.
The only way to prove Covid is more contagious than the flu is to start treating the Flu the same as covid:
Stop doing Influenza cultures for Flu. Start PCR testing.
Crank up Ct to 45 when testing for Influenza.
Start repeatedly MASS testing asymptomatic healthy people for flu.
Start reporting “tested for Flu prior to death” and “died from Flu” as the SAME statistic.
Quarantine healthy asymptomatics who have zero symptoms, making them fatter, sicker, less active and more depressed. Force them to wear masks that trap germs and bacteria to their face.
Most labs use a multiassay right now that tests for covid and flu at the same time. PCR (rapid type) has generally always been used to test for flu at a cT of 37. Generally the higher the cT value the lower the viral load and less likely to spread and the lower the cT value with a positive the higher the viral load and ability to be infectious increases. I really don't know why this routine standard protocol was broken and the damn labs went along with it. The estimation that the CDC of like "40 to 65 million cases of the flu" is because 1. The flu is not a reportable infectious disease. 2. The ones who do report can state probable or active based on cT level. This has always been the protocol in labs that I have worked in at least in the late 90s. I went on to get an RN license.
Cts < 29 are strong positive reactions indicative of abundant target nucleic acid in the sample
Cts of 30-37 are positive reactions indicative of moderate amounts of target nucleic acid
Cts of 38-40 are weak reactions indicative of minimal amounts of target nucleic acid which could
represent an infection state or environmental contamination.
The only reason to state someone is definitely positive at such a high cT is to measure probable community spread but that doesn't mean that person is infected. In Arkansas, the labs run at 38 cT value and IF there is a positive that high it's called a probable, but is still included in the numbers. However, on the ADH site that is tracking cases, the active is separate from the probable.
Not all medical centers or hospitals are currently testing for both. For years, we’ve used the ELISA for a rapid influenza test, but usually followed up and confirmed it with a culture.
Btw, Your lab may be testing for regular flu, does not mean the centre is reporting it or the CDC is tracking it.
Yup. We all knew this, here on the win. FFS, almost every box of those paper masks have a disclaimer that they do not stop the spread of viruses. I've been hugging and kissing friends and family all year and I haven't had even a cold (but I do get allergy symptoms that feels like a head cold). I take vitamins every day including D & Zinc & an extra 500 mgs of C. I don't wear a mask outside - it goes on int he supermarket doorway and off at the same place. I hate it. Sometimes I write things on it. Once I got drunk and wrote FUCK OFF on all my blue paper masks, LOL.
You should see the crackhead and homeless population out here. If there was a serious issue with a deadly virus, they wouldn't be growing in numbers every day...
Last year King County was so concerned about the hobos getting the coof and not being quarantined so they leased local hotels to use as quarantine/recovery facilities. "Just temporary to prevent the spread," they said.
Those hotels are now permanent hobo housing and the local cities where they are located are royally pissed (Renton/Kent/Issaquah/etc.) because they were told it was a temporary thing and now it's basically Section 8 housing that didn't go through any sort of public comment/feedback/approval process.
That's why you never let someone stay 30 days or longer in a hotel. Otherwise if they wanted they could stop paying and you have to evict them through the courts because after 30 days they are protected by tenant laws.
LOL, like the courts in King County would ever evict a hobo. Hell they won't even get them and their tents off of highway RoWs or off of children's playgrounds. The PNW Hobo is a protected species up here.
But I lost my sense of taste for a few days! Who in their right mind never remembers losing their sense of taste or smell from the flu or cold? I have. All the time. It happens when your sinuses are fucked.
I live in King county. My leftard brothers say covid is still spiking because people aren't wearing masks (99% of people in king county wear masks anywhere near anyone. Also, a job I was on with strict mask orders... Half the people on that job, including every one that was double masked, got covid in the same exact week). Me and my coworker who always kept it under the mouth, didn't get covid.
Then I ask them where did the flu go and... People are wearing masks.
How the fuck can you say something so contradictory just a few seconds apart and not wake the fuck up...
Questioned my children’s pediatric Dr about the lack of flu cases and why just to hear his response. He said the flu is low this year because of our COVID precautions. Made sense! BULLSHIT!
Yeah but tell him it is a virus: you are never cured of a virus and always a carrier. It could resurge somehow at any time. Nursing homes go months without a flu then everyone has it. Somewhere a carrier would have became symptomatic and shared it. Someone would have died from the flu by December even if sealed in a bubble in May.
Viruses stay with you for life. Flu wouldn't just disappear.
I licked a metal pole, used hot water to get unstuck, but it burned my taste buds and I self-diagnosed as a covid death. I'm not dead but hey, they make shit up too, why can't I?
I bet all other death are down significantly heart disease cancer and pneumonia. We will probably never see accurate mortality statistics again . All objective measurable facts are being supplanted by an ever expanding narrative that cannot be challenged..
This is one of the more ideologically entrenched parts of the country, so you're going to have more wing nuts per capita sliding things in an anti-orangeman direction.
Both viruses compete for the same resources, the ribosomes in your cells. It's also been discovered that some viruses also create antiviral proteins to prevent other viruses from using the same host cell.
The simpler explanation here is that covid-19 is more contagious than the flu, is more likely to be spread because the symptoms in 99% of cases are very mild, destroys the flu if you already have it, and makes you temporarily immune to the flu while you're infected with covid.
No, I wouldn't expect that. Influenza isn't a novel virus. Most people already have some partial immunity to it, plus a large part of the population gets flu vaccines annually.
Covid-19, on the other hand, is a novel virus. We have zero immunity to it. So as your body is resisting the flu, covid-19 can just walk right in and set up shop.
Now, if covid-19 ends up mutating and coming back each year, it will have a much harder time getting people sick. The playing field will be level and we'll see the flu come back.
There definitely is some viral interfernce. The dominate being Covid right now, much like more dominate flu strains from year to year, but I think you've probably had a lot of flu cases missed due to drive through testing and the lack of the diagnosis part of the equation. Without a doctor seeing a patient to help diagnose if they are actually sick, it's just a free for all. Mass PCR testing has been a disaster to try and understand the true amount of infections in the community.
The flu doesn’t attack your olefactory nerve. When did you lose your sense of taste and smell from the flu?
These memes are made by leftists and directed towards us for us to hopefully ignorantly adopt and spread in order to make conservatives look like retards.
You are the leftist shill or attempting to stupidly repeat something a leftist shill said. The Flu does in fact mess with your taste/smell just like the wu flu, surprise surprise..
Can you learn the most basic medical facts before acting aggressive and stupid please? I’m not asking you to be a doctor. But can you seriously just do the most absolutely basic search
Some people are so damn easy to trick because they are to stupid to actually do a search for information and instead will click on the first link they find that confirms there biases(google plays you folks like fiddles). How about taking your own advice and actually search for this topic from article prior to 2020 scamdemic? You will be very very surprised.. (No I'm not going to do it for you either)
This. They quickly realized this wasn't deadly enough on its own but if they bundled it with the flu and sent it into nursing homes, it could appear deadly enough.
I personally think this is the thing we should be memeing from the rooftops. It's becoming more obvious every day that covid is literally the flu.
Fear is the real pandemic
Always has been...
Yep.
I had the flu 100% certain... And tested negative for covid. I think covid is real and different (lung damage and loss of taste and smell) but flu deaths are obviously being piled into covid.
Sounds like an upper respiratory tract infection (i.e. common cold) combined with a bacterial infection due to rebreathing common gut flora (mycoplasma) or other fungal infection (thrush). Such a combination could cause lung, heart, and other tissue damage and individually could lead to pneumonia. Patients with underlying conditions and/or advanced age would be most threatened by such a combination.
The blood clots are the most interesting part of Covid in my opinion, and why I personally believe it's a biological weapon and that the bat story is batshit. Severe blood clotting isn't seen in other respiratory illnesses, never-mind all the other ridiculous and seemingly random symptoms that seem to appear with covid.
It was made and released in the wuhan lab without a doubt. This is not a random accident.
Never underestimate the power of being stupid and fat.
Nocebo effect is well documented, the fear of something happening can cause negative symptoms including death.
Sheeple who believe covid is some deadly supervirus are more likely to get seriously ill, even if they arent actually infected.
And fatties just get worse outcomes from everything.
I think a lot of the random symptoms are just other issues during a covid infection.
If everything gets counted as covid, the symptoms of everything become covid.
No. They rebranded a half a different common illnesses and sold them to scared sheep as a plague. Check the stats. Influenza isn't the only disease that disappeared. And then sold an experimental gene therapy as the solution. God help us.
I do agree but I've never seen so many people lose their taste and smell in 1 year while sick and my church got hit by it pretty hard multiple times, as well as many of the nursing homes in my community. So no, it's a new virus, created and released. It's just not deadly so they had to pile all the numbers from other illnesses. This has never happened to this extent.
Covid is definitely real, just not nearly as bad as they make it out obviously
People are stupid sheep. They lost their taste and smell because they were told to. None of the numbers support this being real.
No one that doesn't already know wants to hear it. They are justified and safe in their fear.
I second this!
They say it's because of social distancing, masks, etc. but if that was the case, then why so much COVID?!
"Hey covidiot, how come flu deaths disappeared when covid came around?"
"Because everyone was wearing a mask and social distancing, dumbass!"
"Okay, so how come covid cases keep rising?"
"Because no one is wearing a mask or social distancing like they're supposed to!"
"....."
The CDC said they would not track the flu for the 2020-2021 season in like Nov 2020
Yep so they can take flu deaths and add them to covid
Or They can use the multiassay with a cT of 38 and the flu is labeled as not positive but the covid is even though neither are a high enough viral load to really count as positive case that is asymptomatic.
They do, in a few charts it's PIC, pneumonia influenza and covid. That total is reported as covid deaths.
It's my understanding is that pneumonia is just fluid in the lungs, so a virus or bacteria could cause pneumonia
Or They can use the multiassay with a cT of 38 and the flu is labeled as not positive but the covid is even though neither are a high enough viral load to really count as positive case that is asymptomatic.
That the winner right there.
I have this argument all the time. They then say it is because Sars_2 or whatever is more infectious than influenza virus. Proof? Look at all the positive "confirmed" cases of Covid. It is a typical, leftist self fulfilling prophecy which they are outstanding at setting up in this country.
The only way to prove Covid is more contagious than the flu is to start treating the Flu the same as covid:
Stop doing Influenza cultures for Flu. Start PCR testing.
Crank up Ct to 45 when testing for Influenza.
Start repeatedly MASS testing asymptomatic healthy people for flu.
Start reporting “tested for Flu prior to death” and “died from Flu” as the SAME statistic.
Quarantine healthy asymptomatics who have zero symptoms, making them fatter, sicker, less active and more depressed. Force them to wear masks that trap germs and bacteria to their face.
Now you’ve got a Flu Global pandemic
Most labs use a multiassay right now that tests for covid and flu at the same time. PCR (rapid type) has generally always been used to test for flu at a cT of 37. Generally the higher the cT value the lower the viral load and less likely to spread and the lower the cT value with a positive the higher the viral load and ability to be infectious increases. I really don't know why this routine standard protocol was broken and the damn labs went along with it. The estimation that the CDC of like "40 to 65 million cases of the flu" is because 1. The flu is not a reportable infectious disease. 2. The ones who do report can state probable or active based on cT level. This has always been the protocol in labs that I have worked in at least in the late 90s. I went on to get an RN license.
Cts < 29 are strong positive reactions indicative of abundant target nucleic acid in the sample Cts of 30-37 are positive reactions indicative of moderate amounts of target nucleic acid Cts of 38-40 are weak reactions indicative of minimal amounts of target nucleic acid which could represent an infection state or environmental contamination.
The only reason to state someone is definitely positive at such a high cT is to measure probable community spread but that doesn't mean that person is infected. In Arkansas, the labs run at 38 cT value and IF there is a positive that high it's called a probable, but is still included in the numbers. However, on the ADH site that is tracking cases, the active is separate from the probable.
Not all medical centers or hospitals are currently testing for both. For years, we’ve used the ELISA for a rapid influenza test, but usually followed up and confirmed it with a culture.
Btw, Your lab may be testing for regular flu, does not mean the centre is reporting it or the CDC is tracking it.
https://www.oom2.com/t72561-in-unprecedented-move-cdc-stops-tracking-influenza-for-2020-21-flu-season
Influenza, or seven seasonal flu killed so hundreds of thousands of people every year.
I'm astounded at how few people ask common sense questions. Whatever happened to question authority?
Well, it's tough to teach young people to question authority when anyone who questions authority is censored by big tech.
One doesn't have to question authority on twitter though.
And all of the studies showing masks don't work were performed on subjects spreading the flu.
And you would have to be a very special kind of stupid to believe that.
Exactly. But this is Seattle.
Encourage them to get the "vaccine". At a minimum it will reduce their chances of breeding.
It's almost like wearing a mask and following their ever changing arbitrary social distancing "rules" DOES NOT WORK
Yup. We all knew this, here on the win. FFS, almost every box of those paper masks have a disclaimer that they do not stop the spread of viruses. I've been hugging and kissing friends and family all year and I haven't had even a cold (but I do get allergy symptoms that feels like a head cold). I take vitamins every day including D & Zinc & an extra 500 mgs of C. I don't wear a mask outside - it goes on int he supermarket doorway and off at the same place. I hate it. Sometimes I write things on it. Once I got drunk and wrote FUCK OFF on all my blue paper masks, LOL.
You should see the crackhead and homeless population out here. If there was a serious issue with a deadly virus, they wouldn't be growing in numbers every day...
Last year King County was so concerned about the hobos getting the coof and not being quarantined so they leased local hotels to use as quarantine/recovery facilities. "Just temporary to prevent the spread," they said.
Those hotels are now permanent hobo housing and the local cities where they are located are royally pissed (Renton/Kent/Issaquah/etc.) because they were told it was a temporary thing and now it's basically Section 8 housing that didn't go through any sort of public comment/feedback/approval process.
That's why you never let someone stay 30 days or longer in a hotel. Otherwise if they wanted they could stop paying and you have to evict them through the courts because after 30 days they are protected by tenant laws.
LOL, like the courts in King County would ever evict a hobo. Hell they won't even get them and their tents off of highway RoWs or off of children's playgrounds. The PNW Hobo is a protected species up here.
Is a shame. The PNW has the nicest landscape of all and it looks like a third world country in the cities.
But I lost my sense of taste for a few days! Who in their right mind never remembers losing their sense of taste or smell from the flu or cold? I have. All the time. It happens when your sinuses are fucked.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/zero-flu-deaths-reported-washington-state/281-39dd9ac2-9a95-4e40-8d34-46ce24319b8d
"Experts believe that many of the COVID-19 restrictions may have also contributed to slowing the spread of influenza."
Lol
"experts"
I live in King county. My leftard brothers say covid is still spiking because people aren't wearing masks (99% of people in king county wear masks anywhere near anyone. Also, a job I was on with strict mask orders... Half the people on that job, including every one that was double masked, got covid in the same exact week). Me and my coworker who always kept it under the mouth, didn't get covid.
Then I ask them where did the flu go and... People are wearing masks.
How the fuck can you say something so contradictory just a few seconds apart and not wake the fuck up...
Questioned my children’s pediatric Dr about the lack of flu cases and why just to hear his response. He said the flu is low this year because of our COVID precautions. Made sense! BULLSHIT!
Yeah but tell him it is a virus: you are never cured of a virus and always a carrier. It could resurge somehow at any time. Nursing homes go months without a flu then everyone has it. Somewhere a carrier would have became symptomatic and shared it. Someone would have died from the flu by December even if sealed in a bubble in May.
Viruses stay with you for life. Flu wouldn't just disappear.
The bait and switch, works every time with sheep.
I farted and therefore have COVID.
I licked a metal pole, used hot water to get unstuck, but it burned my taste buds and I self-diagnosed as a covid death. I'm not dead but hey, they make shit up too, why can't I?
I bet all other death are down significantly heart disease cancer and pneumonia. We will probably never see accurate mortality statistics again . All objective measurable facts are being supplanted by an ever expanding narrative that cannot be challenged..
Pretty sure the CCP virus cured many causes of death.
But I can’t smell muh farts Covid must be real!
hahaha
You get more of what you measure. It's bias data.
MaSkS R wErKInG
it was cold and shitty as fuck in Seattle this winter. zero percent chance there were no flu deaths
china lab took the flu and morphed it into what we have now. All the covid testing are flu tests renamed.
This is one of the more ideologically entrenched parts of the country, so you're going to have more wing nuts per capita sliding things in an anti-orangeman direction.
I was just about to say that they one unique thing I believe about COVID is that you lose your sense of smell.
... But before writing this comment I used Google to search for hits about the flu before 1/1/2020 and apparently that's what the flu can do too!!!!
So what the hell is supposed to be unique about this thing???
Same symptoms, but lower actual death rate.
Both viruses compete for the same resources, the ribosomes in your cells. It's also been discovered that some viruses also create antiviral proteins to prevent other viruses from using the same host cell.
The simpler explanation here is that covid-19 is more contagious than the flu, is more likely to be spread because the symptoms in 99% of cases are very mild, destroys the flu if you already have it, and makes you temporarily immune to the flu while you're infected with covid.
No, I wouldn't expect that. Influenza isn't a novel virus. Most people already have some partial immunity to it, plus a large part of the population gets flu vaccines annually.
Covid-19, on the other hand, is a novel virus. We have zero immunity to it. So as your body is resisting the flu, covid-19 can just walk right in and set up shop.
Now, if covid-19 ends up mutating and coming back each year, it will have a much harder time getting people sick. The playing field will be level and we'll see the flu come back.
There definitely is some viral interfernce. The dominate being Covid right now, much like more dominate flu strains from year to year, but I think you've probably had a lot of flu cases missed due to drive through testing and the lack of the diagnosis part of the equation. Without a doctor seeing a patient to help diagnose if they are actually sick, it's just a free for all. Mass PCR testing has been a disaster to try and understand the true amount of infections in the community.
The flu doesn’t attack your olefactory nerve. When did you lose your sense of taste and smell from the flu?
These memes are made by leftists and directed towards us for us to hopefully ignorantly adopt and spread in order to make conservatives look like retards.
You are the leftist shill or attempting to stupidly repeat something a leftist shill said. The Flu does in fact mess with your taste/smell just like the wu flu, surprise surprise..
https://www.lcmchealth.org/blog/2020/september/the-flu-a-cold-allergies-or-coronavirus-your-sym/#:~:text=Both%20flu%20and%20COVID%2D,19%20by%20symptoms%20alone.
Can you learn the most basic medical facts before acting aggressive and stupid please? I’m not asking you to be a doctor. But can you seriously just do the most absolutely basic search
Some people are so damn easy to trick because they are to stupid to actually do a search for information and instead will click on the first link they find that confirms there biases(google plays you folks like fiddles). How about taking your own advice and actually search for this topic from article prior to 2020 scamdemic? You will be very very surprised.. (No I'm not going to do it for you either)
https://www.raleighcapitolent.com/blog/lost-sense-of-smell?entryid=109&tabid=89
It can be zinc depletion
Vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc, and quercetin
Wrong ... Yes the flu does
https://www.raleighcapitolent.com/blog/lost-sense-of-smell?entryid=109&tabid=89
I'll accept this.
I think more accurately, the two were bundled together.
This. They quickly realized this wasn't deadly enough on its own but if they bundled it with the flu and sent it into nursing homes, it could appear deadly enough.
Losing a sense of smell is one of they typical Influenza symptoms.
That would be a good point if anybody was claiming Big Rona cases were being counted as flu cases.
Read the meme up above. The one this entire thread comes from.
“Replaced by another one with the exact same symptoms”.
Now do you understand what my post is about?
I do see now. I agree that it's important to be accurate about these things.
Thanks fren. That’s how I feel and I always get attacked for it
Loss of smell is such an irrelevant fact though. Both viruses are flu’s.
Both will give you pneumonia, fever, cough and difficulty breathing. Both infections will kill the old and the sick.
Only one virus was tracked, reported on, tested for and obsessed over.
That’s the point. Who cares about a random symptom that never affected the outcome.
They are mass testing for one, and not testing for the other.