And that parody failed completely because the filmmaker didn't even read the book or understand the details of the story, so he left in all the stuff in that showed the Federation was a liberal republic with free press and immediate repercussions for failed leadership, no coercion to join the military, freedom of movement even if you were going somewhere dangerous etc.
The reason the book was called fascist by some people was because in order to become a citizen with the right to vote, a person must complete a term of federal service (which is often, but not always, military service). Heinlein was accused on basing this on Nazi Germany. But Heinlein himself says that he used Switzerland as inspiration.
Heineken was accused on basing this on Nazi Germany. But Heinlein himself says that he used Switzerland as inspiration.
How does the saying go? When you’re a hammer, everything else looks like a nail to you. Well, when you are a liberal then everything else looks like a Nazi to you.
It also reminds me of the early Roman republic. The Romans had a three per party and the body that was the comitia centuriata (which was the popular assembly but originally in Rome those in the assembly also served as citizen as soldiers) was one of the bodies that passed laws and the only body that could vote for higher magistrates like the Consul, Praetor and Censor and the only way to become a high ranking magistrate was to have had some sort of command in the legions prior.
In Starship Troopers, federal service is always voluntary and never compulsory. The logic behind this being that a society that can't depend upon volunteers for its own defense does not deserve to survive. If a person signs up for federal service, they can quit at any time. But if they quit before their term is up, they don't get the right to vote and they are never allowed to sign up for federal service again.
Sargon of Akkad made a video a while back where he talks about how the Starship Troopers film was supposed to be a satire of fascism and militarism, but it unintentionally made those things look awesome instead.
It did, a preteen boy I came out of the movie thinking “Man that whole citizenship guarantees service makes sense”. Then I read the book...and my mind didn’t change.
What's funny is that in the book, the military is even more segregated by gender than our current military is. The mobile infantry is entirely male, while women tend to be naval officers. The explanation had something to do with women being better able to handle space flight. But the book was written in the 1950s so the science Heinlein used might be outdated.
This movie was meant to be a parody of the book.
And that parody failed completely because the filmmaker didn't even read the book or understand the details of the story, so he left in all the stuff in that showed the Federation was a liberal republic with free press and immediate repercussions for failed leadership, no coercion to join the military, freedom of movement even if you were going somewhere dangerous etc.
The reason the book was called fascist by some people was because in order to become a citizen with the right to vote, a person must complete a term of federal service (which is often, but not always, military service). Heinlein was accused on basing this on Nazi Germany. But Heinlein himself says that he used Switzerland as inspiration.
How does the saying go? When you’re a hammer, everything else looks like a nail to you. Well, when you are a liberal then everything else looks like a Nazi to you.
It also reminds me of the early Roman republic. The Romans had a three per party and the body that was the comitia centuriata (which was the popular assembly but originally in Rome those in the assembly also served as citizen as soldiers) was one of the bodies that passed laws and the only body that could vote for higher magistrates like the Consul, Praetor and Censor and the only way to become a high ranking magistrate was to have had some sort of command in the legions prior.
Israel also has mandatory service with the option of military or civil service if I remember correctly.
In Starship Troopers, federal service is always voluntary and never compulsory. The logic behind this being that a society that can't depend upon volunteers for its own defense does not deserve to survive. If a person signs up for federal service, they can quit at any time. But if they quit before their term is up, they don't get the right to vote and they are never allowed to sign up for federal service again.
I could never stand the movie. When if first came out - it was really 'woke' before that word existed.
I'm a simple man, I see titties in the shower scene, I give it a thumbs up.
I remember saying to my buddy back then "The future looks very bright: co-ed showers and everybody looks like a J Crew model."
In reality, they will be 300 pound hairy lesbians.
Well it says fascism is bad, so maybe that is why you subconsciously didn't like it?
Sargon of Akkad made a video a while back where he talks about how the Starship Troopers film was supposed to be a satire of fascism and militarism, but it unintentionally made those things look awesome instead.
It did, a preteen boy I came out of the movie thinking “Man that whole citizenship guarantees service makes sense”. Then I read the book...and my mind didn’t change.
No.... because it put men and women on a battlefield in equal roles... which was all the rage at the time.
What's funny is that in the book, the military is even more segregated by gender than our current military is. The mobile infantry is entirely male, while women tend to be naval officers. The explanation had something to do with women being better able to handle space flight. But the book was written in the 1950s so the science Heinlein used might be outdated.
He wanted to show coed showers