if criminals would learn to follow instructions,there wouldn't be songs like "you stupid motherfucker you get wtf you deserve". Oh wait...let me go write that shit.
People who are a bit older may have slightly different experiences than younger people. Mainly people who are 35+ in Minneapolis / Saint Paul. While I see the need and important of police, and generally back them as a whole, in the late 90s (especially in Saint Paul) the police were a different story. I've personally witnessed them sell drugs (duffel bag amounts), prostitute 14 year olds, beat homeless, and take bribes. I've heard from people I trust that they witnessed them executing a gang member after a car chase with him incapacitated then claim it was a suicide. That police department was so bad it actually go shut down, but the problems were pretty wide spread. There was a lot of reform of police throughout the 90s into 2000s, and it seems a lot better now. But growing up, we didn't call the police because we saw them as a mafia.
It's a fair point. Fire Department fights fires. Cops enforce Tyrannical mandates, no-knock warrants, let mobs destroy cities, Civil forfeiture, ticket quotas, occasionally kill innocent people, and can get a bit "guilty until proven innocent". Even the best communities have a few dick cops and there are plenty of legitimate reasons to be pissed off at cops. They aren't exactly cracking down on the gangs/Pedophile/drug rings everyone knows about. Where were they when Republicans were getting removed from ballot counting? Or people reporting on sketchy shit? Even if Leftists are usually using retarded false reasons.
No one has ever lost their property because of a fire fighter, no one has ever had their day/life ruined by a fire fighter... But a lot of people have a legitimate reasons to be pissed at cops.
Cops have one of the hardest jobs their is. Their job is to be routinely called in to deal with the most difficult situations that arise and with the worse behaved people there are. Those criminals don't make it easy for them. Every situation is challenging and can pose unique threats.
It's that job they're being punished for doing. I would say punished for not doing it perfectly but they're being punished for doing it at all.
If this were about genuine police corruption or things like them going around arresting political opposition or people who aren't wearing a mask then you might have a point but you don't.
These people are against the police because they're against you and the police get in the way. They're criminals. Stop buying into this criminal ACAB mentality.
I give cops a lot of leeway because I would go full Punisher/Dexter if I was a cop. But what I'd never do, is watch as innocent people are attacked, ignore 911 calls because it's a no-go zone, enforce Tyrannical mandates... I would not "just follow orders" that's one line I know I won't cross. So I'll forgive being overly aggressive towards Reavers but not innocent people.
P.S. Besides the cops aren't getting in their way, the cops are getting in our way. I've watched the cops side with the mob for over a decade while they attacked colleges, civilians, and cities. When the mob attacks, the cops arrest the Patriots defending themselves against the mob. So no, I'm 100% defund the police because they are already against me and have a pincer attack going with the mob. I'm only scared to defend my life because the cops will arrest me for not doing it properly enough.
The cops getting in our way is the way it's meant to be. At least in the sense of if they don't get to the criminals then lynchings start up.
What's happening now is the criminalisation of the victim that doesn't consent to being a victim.
The result is that when I'm confronted with a criminal I will not only defend myself but I will kill them. I know they will ruin my life anyway for it so if I'm going to go down then I might as well get as much done as possible beforehand and make sure the criminal loses, in this case their life.
I'll be sure to remind myself that not all cops are bad the next time they're busting down the door of the church or small business due to illegal lockdown orders.
I am very much for the concept of police. The problem is, if half of them are breaking the law to enforce illegal mandates, and the rest of them do nothing, that means that the ones that aren't doing anything are just as guilty. They have one of the hardest jobs, but the buck stops with them. Who do you call when SOME of the police are breaking the law? The other half of the department? Doesn't work that way.
It's like the FBI. There is no "Some cops aren't good, but most are" - if you sheriff is enforcing illegal lockdown orders or no knock raids - then the entire department of them is rotten. At some point, not standing up against tyranny makes you part of it.
We're not talking about a situation where a small handful do something wrong and go through proper disciplinary actions. By requirement enforcing illegal orders requires the tacit approval of the whole department (the department itself) - and if the people who disagree don't speak up, that makes them complacent. Having a hard job does not excuse day-to-day tyranny. Stress might make an officer react poorly, but there is no excuse for corruption or turning a blind eye to it.
Cops = good.
Police departments enforcing illegal and unconstitutional orders = bad.
The cops are ours to make of what we want. Don't hand them all over to the other team if you don't have to. If they go onto the other team they're open game.
That is true. It is also true that the cops and sheriffs that are supposedly on our side need to start taking a stand against this shit, otherwise we're going to lose regardless.
Someone tell Paulo the ignorant fuckwad that they don’t make songs called “Fuck the fire department” - they just outright attack the fire department while trying to do their jobs for the thankless scum.
I do think that we have too many laws on the books. In some areas, I feel that they are just goons for the politics. Police should just keep the peace. But I have seen footage of MAGA people being attacked, and their cars vandalized right in front of police, and they do nothing.
Peacekeeping is one of the worst approaches to policing. We have it in the UK and it underlines much of our legal system. It's a mistake.
It means that if a woman is wearing a short skirt, then someone calls the police and reports that it may cause a breach of the peace because they will rape her they will arrest her if she doesn't cover up to maintain the peace.
It's a very funny law. You can get people arrested in ways you really wouldn't expect. If someone does something and I say that will cause me to commit a crime then they are responsible for it if they keep doing whatever it is.
Quite often the police wont come and help you but there are tricks to get them to come including saying you think it's a hate crime or that if they don't there will be a breach of the peace. If you threaten the police that you'll commit a crime in an implicit way they'll have to come and help you.
You have to word these things carefully when you do so not to do yourself in but otherwise that's just the strange way our law works. If someone knows drawing Muhammad will cause people to blow things up then they will be found guilty of choosing for the crime to happen.
We've tried that approach and it has failed miserably, like communism. You're going to have to develop a better theory of law and order than one that is already tried and tested. It failed. Whoever is most unreasonably sensitive and threatens to disturb the peace the most wins.
I think though I'm not sure that it's one of those annoying things brought in from Anglo Saxon law that conflicts with our native tradition where you're responsible for your own immediate actions.
I think most Americans will think differently. When we say peace, its usually a physical action that someone took against another that caused that disruption. "Ones mans vulgarity is another lyric"
If you mean the effect rather than the cause then that may be valid but you would be surprised how easily that creeps. You need to establish a barrier.
Here if you cause a breach of the peace you're on the hook for it. There are some reasonable cases where causing a breach of the peace is a problem but the law poorly delineates that.
It's significantly worse with multiculturalism. You have a bunch of people from cultures that condition them to breach the peace at the smallest things such as insulting their religion.
If the police simply arrest whoever it is that riots and does the crime without prejudice and they have no excuse for that which they don't then that's at least somewhat better.
A breach of the peace for an invalid reason or one clearly incompatible with our culture should be put down with extreme prejudice.
Lets say I'm a benevolent king. There's a peasant uprising in the corner of my country. I send in some of my army to contain it and at the same time find out what it's about. Turns out their lord has been starving them. I do what's necessary at minimum to put a stop to the uprising but I also deal with the lord and sort out the problem. He's guilty of causing a breach of the peace. So are the peasants but there are mitigating circumstances.
In another corner of the country there's another uprising. I do the same thing but it turns out they're uprising because one of them was tortured and executed by the local constabulary for raping another peasant but they somehow have it in their head that it happened only because he was a peasant. In this case I tell my army to go in and slaughter all of the ones that wilfully took part. Leave no survivors. They all must suffer a fate of torture and execution.
Similarly, if people rise up if they convict an innocent man then you still need to arrest them and put a stop to it but they have diminished responsibility as it is a response to the wrong doing of their local administration.
If people are rising up if they don't convict a man for doing his job and arresting a criminal which happens to be one of theirs then we're talking airstrikes, tanks, machine guns, etc.
Well in fairness blacks are responsible for the majority of all arsons too, so there really ought to be a song called Fuck the Fire Department. They spend about as much of their time foiling black criminality as the cops do, so it's only fair.
One thing I dislike about the Antifa/BLM types is that they believe cops are bad guys. The cops ain’t a bad tool, they are really good at what they do, the real bad guys are the people who go about mandating this and that for any reason.
The public should trust that the police will enforce the law and they shouldn’t trust the politicians who write it and have the police enforce it.
The fact hat after the past two years of the police showing what side they are on you are not in agreement with that reddit post shows where the cancer is.
if criminals would learn to follow instructions,there wouldn't be songs like "you stupid motherfucker you get wtf you deserve". Oh wait...let me go write that shit.
Just call it, "You get What You Fucking Deserve!", and make The Album Cover look like Joker, or Clown World.
perfect!
Us Pedes got Ideas, we gotta make a Non-Woke Society.
People who are a bit older may have slightly different experiences than younger people. Mainly people who are 35+ in Minneapolis / Saint Paul. While I see the need and important of police, and generally back them as a whole, in the late 90s (especially in Saint Paul) the police were a different story. I've personally witnessed them sell drugs (duffel bag amounts), prostitute 14 year olds, beat homeless, and take bribes. I've heard from people I trust that they witnessed them executing a gang member after a car chase with him incapacitated then claim it was a suicide. That police department was so bad it actually go shut down, but the problems were pretty wide spread. There was a lot of reform of police throughout the 90s into 2000s, and it seems a lot better now. But growing up, we didn't call the police because we saw them as a mafia.
It's a fair point. Fire Department fights fires. Cops enforce Tyrannical mandates, no-knock warrants, let mobs destroy cities, Civil forfeiture, ticket quotas, occasionally kill innocent people, and can get a bit "guilty until proven innocent". Even the best communities have a few dick cops and there are plenty of legitimate reasons to be pissed off at cops. They aren't exactly cracking down on the gangs/Pedophile/drug rings everyone knows about. Where were they when Republicans were getting removed from ballot counting? Or people reporting on sketchy shit? Even if Leftists are usually using retarded false reasons.
No one has ever lost their property because of a fire fighter, no one has ever had their day/life ruined by a fire fighter... But a lot of people have a legitimate reasons to be pissed at cops.
Cops have one of the hardest jobs their is. Their job is to be routinely called in to deal with the most difficult situations that arise and with the worse behaved people there are. Those criminals don't make it easy for them. Every situation is challenging and can pose unique threats.
It's that job they're being punished for doing. I would say punished for not doing it perfectly but they're being punished for doing it at all.
If this were about genuine police corruption or things like them going around arresting political opposition or people who aren't wearing a mask then you might have a point but you don't.
These people are against the police because they're against you and the police get in the way. They're criminals. Stop buying into this criminal ACAB mentality.
I give cops a lot of leeway because I would go full Punisher/Dexter if I was a cop. But what I'd never do, is watch as innocent people are attacked, ignore 911 calls because it's a no-go zone, enforce Tyrannical mandates... I would not "just follow orders" that's one line I know I won't cross. So I'll forgive being overly aggressive towards Reavers but not innocent people.
P.S. Besides the cops aren't getting in their way, the cops are getting in our way. I've watched the cops side with the mob for over a decade while they attacked colleges, civilians, and cities. When the mob attacks, the cops arrest the Patriots defending themselves against the mob. So no, I'm 100% defund the police because they are already against me and have a pincer attack going with the mob. I'm only scared to defend my life because the cops will arrest me for not doing it properly enough.
The cops getting in our way is the way it's meant to be. At least in the sense of if they don't get to the criminals then lynchings start up.
What's happening now is the criminalisation of the victim that doesn't consent to being a victim.
The result is that when I'm confronted with a criminal I will not only defend myself but I will kill them. I know they will ruin my life anyway for it so if I'm going to go down then I might as well get as much done as possible beforehand and make sure the criminal loses, in this case their life.
I'll be sure to remind myself that not all cops are bad the next time they're busting down the door of the church or small business due to illegal lockdown orders.
I am very much for the concept of police. The problem is, if half of them are breaking the law to enforce illegal mandates, and the rest of them do nothing, that means that the ones that aren't doing anything are just as guilty. They have one of the hardest jobs, but the buck stops with them. Who do you call when SOME of the police are breaking the law? The other half of the department? Doesn't work that way.
It's like the FBI. There is no "Some cops aren't good, but most are" - if you sheriff is enforcing illegal lockdown orders or no knock raids - then the entire department of them is rotten. At some point, not standing up against tyranny makes you part of it.
We're not talking about a situation where a small handful do something wrong and go through proper disciplinary actions. By requirement enforcing illegal orders requires the tacit approval of the whole department (the department itself) - and if the people who disagree don't speak up, that makes them complacent. Having a hard job does not excuse day-to-day tyranny. Stress might make an officer react poorly, but there is no excuse for corruption or turning a blind eye to it.
Cops = good.
Police departments enforcing illegal and unconstitutional orders = bad.
The cops are ours to make of what we want. Don't hand them all over to the other team if you don't have to. If they go onto the other team they're open game.
That is true. It is also true that the cops and sheriffs that are supposedly on our side need to start taking a stand against this shit, otherwise we're going to lose regardless.
The Chauvin case is a great example. Cop didn't do anything wrong. Dealing with a scumbag that makes everyone else's life a misery.
If you had your shit together you would be out ten to one in support of him. BLM and their criminal lackeys would be stomped.
Instead he's alone and you wonder why the police won't serve the people but instead only the man.
If you did what you were supposed to, cops would be on your side. Instead no one has their back, but we expect them to have our back.
Antifa and BLM have started fires and then attacked the firemen that show up to put it out.
Are we really still blindly backing police after many have enforced lockdowns?
No.
But some will still be sucking blue dick after they get red flag no knocked and end up in the gulag.
Someone tell Paulo the ignorant fuckwad that they don’t make songs called “Fuck the fire department” - they just outright attack the fire department while trying to do their jobs for the thankless scum.
https://www.firehouse.com/operations-training/news/21140317/firefighters-attacked-with-fireworks-rocks-at-protests-across-country
I do think that we have too many laws on the books. In some areas, I feel that they are just goons for the politics. Police should just keep the peace. But I have seen footage of MAGA people being attacked, and their cars vandalized right in front of police, and they do nothing.
Peacekeeping is one of the worst approaches to policing. We have it in the UK and it underlines much of our legal system. It's a mistake.
It means that if a woman is wearing a short skirt, then someone calls the police and reports that it may cause a breach of the peace because they will rape her they will arrest her if she doesn't cover up to maintain the peace.
It's a very funny law. You can get people arrested in ways you really wouldn't expect. If someone does something and I say that will cause me to commit a crime then they are responsible for it if they keep doing whatever it is.
Quite often the police wont come and help you but there are tricks to get them to come including saying you think it's a hate crime or that if they don't there will be a breach of the peace. If you threaten the police that you'll commit a crime in an implicit way they'll have to come and help you.
You have to word these things carefully when you do so not to do yourself in but otherwise that's just the strange way our law works. If someone knows drawing Muhammad will cause people to blow things up then they will be found guilty of choosing for the crime to happen.
We've tried that approach and it has failed miserably, like communism. You're going to have to develop a better theory of law and order than one that is already tried and tested. It failed. Whoever is most unreasonably sensitive and threatens to disturb the peace the most wins.
I think though I'm not sure that it's one of those annoying things brought in from Anglo Saxon law that conflicts with our native tradition where you're responsible for your own immediate actions.
I think most Americans will think differently. When we say peace, its usually a physical action that someone took against another that caused that disruption. "Ones mans vulgarity is another lyric"
If you mean the effect rather than the cause then that may be valid but you would be surprised how easily that creeps. You need to establish a barrier.
Here if you cause a breach of the peace you're on the hook for it. There are some reasonable cases where causing a breach of the peace is a problem but the law poorly delineates that.
It's significantly worse with multiculturalism. You have a bunch of people from cultures that condition them to breach the peace at the smallest things such as insulting their religion.
If the police simply arrest whoever it is that riots and does the crime without prejudice and they have no excuse for that which they don't then that's at least somewhat better.
A breach of the peace for an invalid reason or one clearly incompatible with our culture should be put down with extreme prejudice.
Lets say I'm a benevolent king. There's a peasant uprising in the corner of my country. I send in some of my army to contain it and at the same time find out what it's about. Turns out their lord has been starving them. I do what's necessary at minimum to put a stop to the uprising but I also deal with the lord and sort out the problem. He's guilty of causing a breach of the peace. So are the peasants but there are mitigating circumstances.
In another corner of the country there's another uprising. I do the same thing but it turns out they're uprising because one of them was tortured and executed by the local constabulary for raping another peasant but they somehow have it in their head that it happened only because he was a peasant. In this case I tell my army to go in and slaughter all of the ones that wilfully took part. Leave no survivors. They all must suffer a fate of torture and execution.
Similarly, if people rise up if they convict an innocent man then you still need to arrest them and put a stop to it but they have diminished responsibility as it is a response to the wrong doing of their local administration.
If people are rising up if they don't convict a man for doing his job and arresting a criminal which happens to be one of theirs then we're talking airstrikes, tanks, machine guns, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKKMMP3U-Sk
literally took 3 seconds to find on youtube, try again shitlord.
Well in fairness blacks are responsible for the majority of all arsons too, so there really ought to be a song called Fuck the Fire Department. They spend about as much of their time foiling black criminality as the cops do, so it's only fair.
Have you seen the videos from the UK and Canada? "BuT I'm JuSt FoLlOwInG MuH oRdErS!"
There's plenty about murder though.
One thing I dislike about the Antifa/BLM types is that they believe cops are bad guys. The cops ain’t a bad tool, they are really good at what they do, the real bad guys are the people who go about mandating this and that for any reason.
The public should trust that the police will enforce the law and they shouldn’t trust the politicians who write it and have the police enforce it.
Translation: "Police are bad because they're stopping me whenever I do criminal shit."
We didn't start the fire.....oh wait
Yep. Cancer.
The fact hat after the past two years of the police showing what side they are on you are not in agreement with that reddit post shows where the cancer is.
Coming from a family of law enforcement, cops sing, "F the Fire Department", all the time.
Biggest cleptomaniacs in New England. Cops have to stand on smoldering heaps there to keep them from stealing all the jewelry in the ashes.