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Anon goes to university (media.patriots.win)
posted ago by sebster ago by sebster +3216 / -2
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JoeBidensDementia1 200 points ago +204 / -4

Or...

go to trade school

pay $3,000

first year on the job, make $60,000

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NotAPuma 109 points ago +109 / -0

2nd Year on Job get a Pay Raise to 75k, then a few years after that get another to 80k, etc.

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Shariablue_Sorosbots 134 points ago +134 / -0

5th year on job get a master license and start your own company.

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NotAPuma 62 points ago +62 / -0

Facts.

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deleted 30 points ago +31 / -1
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HorribleDeplorable 59 points ago +59 / -0

Many fail. You have to know how to run a business which isn’t taught in trade school.

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FireannDireach 6 points ago +6 / -0

You also have to be good at the trade, which not everyone is.

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EmTae 2 points ago +2 / -0

That shit's not taught in college either.

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GainesvilleFlorida -18 points ago +7 / -25

Ahh so go to university first.
Wait

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rossiFan 27 points ago +27 / -0

No, go to community college for 1/10th the price and get a business/finance associates degree.

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Shariablue_Sorosbots 29 points ago +29 / -0

Nah. As a contractor you just need to learn a little bookkeeping and get Quickbooks.

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HorribleDeplorable 12 points ago +12 / -0

Nah you don’t need to go to b school but you have to know what’s up. Either a father or some other mentor to show you the way. Or just self driven.

It takes a unique personality to run your own show. Some people just want a paycheck.

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CoffeeIsForClosers 4 points ago +4 / -0

*Most people just want a paycheck.

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altYPNeT 4 points ago +4 / -0

university for starting a business lol

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ProudWhiteMan 2 points ago +3 / -1

You need to go to university to run a book or an excel sheet and quote a price that includes material + matching whatever is the going rate in your area?

keep in mind.

  • for profits
  • for expenses

All you need is basic math and if that is too much then buy a calculator. If you skip college credit wise you can use what you saved from tuition to get a business loan. If the business grow get a business c-card and an accountant and you won't even need to worry about that. The most complicated part will be taxes but you'll have a guy for that.

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acasper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol, are you saying university teaches you how to run a business?

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zerocooltx 26 points ago +26 / -0

most businesses fail b/c people try to pay themselves a huge salary to start assuming it's a corporation setup. The key is to be willing ot tough it out for a couple years on a small salary and build the business up.

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cyberwar 26 points ago +31 / -5

most fail because illegals come in and do the job for half the money

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rossiFan 6 points ago +6 / -0

I mean most everything is a write off for taxes, so it's like paying yourself, but not.

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GaTechGrad 5 points ago +5 / -0

True. Most small businesses are a hobby at best and are not really about making money, which is why most of them fail. "Build it and they will come" is a load of garbage. You have to provide a product that people need and are willing to give money for it.

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HumblePig 4 points ago +4 / -0

Running it yourself's not for everyone; you do have to sink a lot more time and tie up a lot more resources into it. You do make more, but there's something to be said for clock in/clock out, and for a stable paycheck even if the business loses money for two months or two. (More than that and layoffs come down the line but a lot of construction type work is seasonal.)

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rossiFan 5 points ago +5 / -0

7th year on the job, buy a company jet - true fucking story. (not me fml)

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Ben45 3 points ago +3 / -0

why is it so difficult to teach this to our kids in high school

do people who went through this process not want to share it with the younger generations and help them avoid stupid amounts of debt

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Necrovoter 2 points ago +2 / -0

Just don't expand the business too quickly. That's where a lot of people stumble hard. Steady growth with good people that are taken care of and success is achievable.

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YOLO69SWAGG420GG 15 points ago +15 / -0

which trades would you recommend?

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Ryder6 20 points ago +20 / -0

Find a trade that you like. HVAC here.

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YOLO69SWAGG420GG 7 points ago +7 / -0

right now I'm a psych nurse for prison and going back to school to get my MFT License feels like a mountain of NPC BS and then I have to wonder if there will be a point when they will say "all professionals must take the jab". I think moving out of california is inevitable if I intend to dodge the jab.

Thank you for the information, I hope more people will be able to have helpful dialogue in how the younger generation is supposed to cope with the current CCP occupation.

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PhoneBandit 12 points ago +12 / -0

If you are a nurse, the best advice I've heard from nurses is to change floors every year leveraging a better pay rate each time until you can get into management. Or do travel nursing. A friend of mine found an agency looking for travel nurses in his area so he never had to move but got a housing stipend, per diem, etc. all for just being a contractor at the hospital instead of an employee.

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KekistanPM 7 points ago +7 / -0

A friend of mine just graduated high school and is now looking for an apprenticeship as a plumber.

We're in Austin; and if they had already had it a few months ago, they would have made a mint replacing all those pipes that burst in the freeze.

But having lived in Florida and in Texas...well, I don't need to tell you how important you are in the summer when the A/C isn't working.

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BadManOrange 3 points ago +3 / -0

Plumbing is also a pretty broad trade. People just think of running water pipes, but there are a good amount of niches there.

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Wexit-Delecto 1 point ago +1 / -0

So, are all HVAC workers in the CIA?

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IwantmyCountryback 14 points ago +14 / -0

Mike Rowe has a foundation that addresses the jobs you are interested in. There are job listings on there. See what interests you. He also has scholarships.

https://jobs.mikeroweworks.org/

https://www.mikeroweworks.org/scholarship/

https://www.mikeroweworks.org/donate/

You can support the foundation by donating.

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BloodyWolf 4 points ago +4 / -0

Aww, good to see that gentleman doing good work.

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IwantmyCountryback 3 points ago +3 / -0

He has a great podcast that's just once a week. The story a couple weeks ago about living in a haunted house was hilarious.

https://mikerowe.com/podcast/

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MAGASquatch 2 points ago +2 / -0

Love his podcast!

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MAGASquatch 2 points ago +2 / -0

Love Mike's podcast! He tells it like no one else can... just the way he heard it.

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NotAPuma 6 points ago +6 / -0

Depends on the Industry in your Area or Where you are.

Ex, California, you just aren't gonna do well. Missouri, Lead Mining is a Big Industry, Ammo and Gun Production is also kind of big.

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YOLO69SWAGG420GG 3 points ago +3 / -0

right now I'm a psych nurse for prison and going back to school to get my MFT License feels like a mountain of NPC BS and then I have to wonder if there will be a point when they will say "all professionals must take the jab". I think moving out of california is inevitable if I intend to dodge the jab.

Thank you for the information, I hope more people will be able to have helpful dialogue in how the younger generation is supposed to cope with the current CCP occupation.

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Thrasymachus 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ammo Production is also kind of big.

Not fucking big enough!

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NotAPuma 1 point ago +1 / -0

Agreed, we need MORE!!!

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NotAPuma 2 points ago +2 / -0

All the while getting taxed to death for it, with a shitty environment.

California is a Blue State, Missouri is a Red State, I rest my case.

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fuckyou 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pavers

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

Impossible to say, "trades" covers a LOT of ground. There are some trades that do well in some regions, some are job security (repair, mechanics, etc), and some requires years to master, like machinists (which also requires a significant investment in tools and machines and the ability to learn to use them). We can't know what you're good at, or what you'll even like.

Taking some courses at a local community college is the lowest risk way to explore other trades, like HVAC, cooking, or other trades. Are you good at fixing things? Do you have good analytical skills to problem solve? Are you good with your hands?

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BloodyWolf 4 points ago +4 / -0

Go to medical school. Get into 1/2 million debt. Realize can't repurchase 10 years. Fantasize about having gone to trade school. 💀

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NotAPuma 4 points ago +4 / -0

Facts. We need to start Training our Doctors and Lawyers, Faster. 10 Years is a hell of a long time to devote to your Post-High School Education.

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2Legit2Quit 1 point ago +1 / -0

Maybe your comment for doctors is accurate.

I'm a lawyer. We don't need to make it easier for people to become lawyers, there's already way too many idiots and not enough skilled ones.

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NotAPuma 1 point ago +1 / -0

Eh.. It shouldn't take years to learn and understand the Laws of the Land, so it's either Lawyer's Education or it's our Laws (likely the latter)

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CoffeeIsForClosers 1 point ago +1 / -0

Anything that isn't Surgery, Radiology, Emergency Medicine, or Pathology should be fast tracked.

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NotAPuma 1 point ago +1 / -0

Imho, Surgeons need more Practice and Demonstrations, rather than "Textbook Theory", but Agreed.

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CoffeeIsForClosers 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, that's what I said.

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BloodyWolf 1 point ago +1 / -0

And so much is wasted. Pre-med is 100% bullshit. You could probably also halve the clinical years.

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bighomiebeenchillin -4 points ago +1 / -5

this is prolly da dumbest logic ive ever seen lmao this man really sayn ay lower da education reqs for my surgeon lmao like homie is you stupid or just stupid ?? u want a 5 year educated surgeon to slice ur shit up or a 15 year xp trained educated brah?

think before u say some dumb shit brah tf wrong with u

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NotAPuma 0 points ago +1 / -1

Experience is different from Textbook Theory, Goofy Ass.

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bighomiebeenchillin -4 points ago +1 / -5

you cant get no xp till u get da book theory dumb ass ho

by ur logic i can just start cuttin fools up rn as da DOC and just gain that xp as i learn on Da job lmao dumb ass ho sit tf down brah class is in session dumb ass boi call me professor lmao

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g-money1 29 points ago +32 / -3

My most fervent wish is that my now 5-year old son will eventually decide to go to lineman's school, plumber's apprenticeship, etc., rather than going to a 4-year college. I wouldn't wish college on any young person.

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JoeBidensDementia1 21 points ago +22 / -1

You should also push him to travel and get a job overseas for 1 year. I did it after college. Taught English as a second language in Korea.

Best year of my life and easiest money I've ever made.

Unless my wife asks, then it's every year that I've been married to her.

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RageQuit 5 points ago +5 / -0

So did you travel to Thailand while you were there and go to the bars?

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JoeBidensDementia1 6 points ago +6 / -0

No, but I did go back up to Seoul for my buddy's bachelor party. We went all over including a tranny bar just for kicks. I've never been so confused in my life.

I did go to Japan and blacked out as well one night. So far, no half Asian, half Americans have come find me calling me daddy.

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BloodyWolf 2 points ago +2 / -0

So lucky! I wish I had gone to the Far East and been around all those pretty women.

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M_A_G_A_2020 13 points ago +13 / -0

Go further than wishing. Straight tell him (when he is old enough) that you won't throw money on the shredder by sending him to college unless he is committed to pursuing a degree in the medical field or engineering. If he has vocation for anything else find him a good tutor and send him out in the world to learn on the job.

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WhoMeTwo 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is the way

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g-money1 1 point ago +3 / -2

Exactly. If he comes to me with a written business plan to go into a licensed profession (surgery, law, etc.) or at least a hard quantitative science, then we can talk about me paying for his college. If he wants the "experience" of college, tough titties.

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bighomiebeenchillin -3 points ago +1 / -4

ur an ass dad brah let ur son get some college pussy brah dont just send him to be some bitch ass plumber lmao homie will aint never finna ever get no pussy lmao homie out stick in da gobi thirsty af dry dick ass brah

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RageQuit 6 points ago +6 / -0

Linemen don't even need school. In my area, apprentices start at $23/hr. After a couple of years they make more than double. Can't work when it rains. Get additional pay to travel to different parts of the country and provide assistance during emergencies. They make a ton of money, but they also work a ton of hours away from home.

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g-money1 0 points ago +1 / -1

Good to know!

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guitarmastershredder 5 points ago +5 / -0

I wish I had listened to my dad when he told me to join the pipefitters union. He had connections and could have gotten me on with a top mechanical contractor in the southeast

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IthoughtIwalked 4 points ago +4 / -0

Why wouldn't your fervent wish be for your son to find a career that he enjoys while being able to pay the bills? If raised right, you don't need to worry about college leading him astray, and it opens the door to fields like engineering and medicine...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with learning a trade, but setting your sights on that for your 5 year old seems a bit limiting.

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Sphinx3peat 25 points ago +25 / -0

Going to college then grad school was probably the worst decision I’ve ever made. All because my medical professional parents couldn’t stand having a son who wanted to work in the trades.

Stuck in a job I hate, living for the weekends so I can work on cars and build stuff.

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JoeBidensDementia1 13 points ago +14 / -1

Work hard, save your money, then get into cars as a job, bro.

Sorry if I'm giving obvious advice here.

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Sphinx3peat 11 points ago +11 / -0

That’s my plan. Work hard, get my retirement, buy some land, start a small engine repair shop from my garage.

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RageQuit 9 points ago +10 / -1

You may have to learn to do small electrical motor repair. Times are changing.

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two_many_phones 5 points ago +5 / -0

Wear PPE, those chemicals can mess you up pretty bad. Old shop foreman can barely used his hands anymore from some of them when I was an apprentice.

Went to a HS that did VIca (https://www.skillsusa.org/about/history-brand-resources/) then moved onto another career after getting a good foundation.

Definitely recommend for any young person.

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Sphinx3peat 1 point ago +1 / -0

I actually went to my area’s magnet high school. We had all the trade skill classes and classrooms.

I wanted to do welding, auto body, and automotive repair. Parents made me do fine arts. Lot of good those ceramics and drawing classes did for me.

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Angerisagift 2 points ago +2 / -0

Read "shopcraft as soulcraft: an inquiry into the value of work". Author left academia, fixed old motorcycles

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I_Used_to_be_me 3 points ago +3 / -0

Same. Since I was 5, I always wanted to be a contractor, and inherit my Uncle's (originally my grandfather's) construction company. Despite them seeing my interests and talents, unchanging since I was 4 or 5, my uncle (likely at my parents' direction) refused to ever let me work for him or teach me anything (even though his dream was to have a son to do exactly this with, and eventually take the business. He had all daughters and I was basically like his son). Anyway, they basically forbid it because they all "wanted better for me." My dad does well (pharmacist), but my uncle, with the construction company, is a literal multimillionaire.

I'm now more educated than just about anyone, but my talents still all lie in the trades (longest job I had was as a mechanic. I'm now working in an office setting that aligns with my degrees/education. And it's fine, good work environment, decent pay, but... even if the money were the same, I'd prefer having gone the route I knew I wanted to by age 5. Building something, actuallly seeing the physical end-result of work you did with your hands, and taking pride in that, is just so much more fulfilling). But hey! At least I went to college to rack up debt and get a w/e job (the kind you can't really even explain other than saying 'work in office setting") because I'm apparently "better" than the job I'd have enjoyed more, made more money with, and be way further ahead in life had I just listened to my gut and done it. But nooooooooo, "you're too smart," they all said. Yeah, sure am. Also good with my hands. That's a winning combo, and if I were so smart, I'd have seen college and grad school for what I now know it is and made wildly different decisions. Oh well.

At least my experiences gave me so much fuel for a book I'm working on exposing academia (likely willl be very similar to the work/lectures/videos of James Lindsey [who i've even talked back and forth with a bit]. I was so "educated" that I've become such an expert in "critical theory," but, unlike most who went through similar programs in academia, actually understand how dangerous this ideologically driven "field" is, and am probably the only "educated expert" in this field willing to criticize, instead of praise [and use as a brainwashing weapon] it.

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Sphinx3peat 2 points ago +2 / -0

I work a job in my field. I hate it, hate the work, I dislike the pettiness of a majority female office, and really just loathe working every day.

My entire life has been dedicated to either working with my hands or serving my community. Parents never supported me working in trades or serving in the military. Now, they don’t understand why I’m not happy working a job i hate to maintain a suburban life I hate.

All I want is to work a trade, live in the country, and be free.

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2Legit2Quit 1 point ago +1 / -0

Be free my friend.

That's what God wants for you.

I started my law firm when my daughter was 7 months old and my son was about 25 months. It was difficult and about 6 months in, I had spent every last dime of my family's money; all of the money loaned to me; and had very little in receivables.

But God.

God does not want you to hate the life he generously provided to you. The loathsome feelings that consume you is not from God but from the accuser; the liar.

Just take one tiny small step. But be deliberate. And DM me, tell me how we can pray together and we'll do it.

I just barely stumbled on your comment before I was about to leave this thread and never return. God loves everything about you.

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Sphinx3peat 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’ve prayed a lot more in the past year than I have in a long time.

The result of those prayers was the guidance to switch careers and do something that fed my soul and gave me purpose.

I don’t want to give too much information, but before the summer is over, I’ll be in a new career that feeds my soul and fulfills my desire of purpose.

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2Legit2Quit 2 points ago +2 / -0

If you need help, if you need anything, reach out. We got this.

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footinmouth 1 point ago +1 / -0

I did the opposite, started in mechanics and went back to school for biology. It is defiantly not for everyone, your work needs to be your hobby to be successful and it is cut throat as all hell. Long hours are the norm.

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BloodyWolf 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're a doctor, right? Horrible life, isn't it? 😞

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Sphinx3peat 3 points ago +3 / -0

I have a doctorate, but not a medical doctor.

No way in fucking hell I’d think about medical school in this day and age.

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BloodyWolf 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your instincts are correct.

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CoffeeIsForClosers 1 point ago +1 / -0

The only reason I'm thinking of the suicide that is medical school is because Voc Rehab would be paying 100%. People only go to medical school now for easy twatter checkmarks, to be shill for CNN, or to get YouTube cred like that faggot, Dr. Mike.

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MasksAreChildAbuse 19 points ago +19 / -0

Honestly I think parents are a failure if they don’t describe this option and present it to their children. ALL KIDS should be aware of all the available trades, and save for a child with an extraordinary amount of interest in becoming a doctor or something like that, it should also be presented as the defacto option when they grow up.

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tombombadil 13 points ago +13 / -0

Teachers and counselors are failures if they don’t teach this. I’m not aware of a single one that does. I know counselors that make fun of students that don’t want to go to college.

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IronMaiden 6 points ago +6 / -0

I went to a TRADE highschool as a marine mechanic, the counselors were pushing EVERYONE to go college, like why the fuck do you think I'm here?

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tombombadil 5 points ago +5 / -0

It’s funny because school teachers and counselors are some of the best examples of why college is not worth it from a financial standpoint.

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IthoughtIwalked 8 points ago +8 / -0

They want to spread their misery.

I truly believe that Democrats, those in the liberal arts, LGBT activists, etc. are so miserable in life that rather than admit that they made mistakes, would rather encourage others to do the same so that at least they won't be alone in their misery.

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Angerisagift 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you're a union teacher married to a union teacher you have a good household income, months off every year, incredible job security pretty busy hours...

Know some teachers who do thinks like real estate and summer camps. Making bank. And when you consider the average teacher was towards the bottom at university.

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BlaineBug 10 points ago +10 / -0

Are trade schools really that low in cost?

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JoeBidensDementia1 6 points ago +7 / -1

Maybe per year, but yes

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BlaineBug 4 points ago +4 / -0

Oh absolutely, not an entire program's worth. But I still feel $3,000 is way under what it actually is with 2021 dollars.

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ancientarchitect369 5 points ago +6 / -1

Don't know if it's the same everywhere, but my dad did the Electrical Program. I think you start around $16-18/hr, and then every 500hrs of work you get a raise until you get your journeyman's license 4 years in and get to about $35-40hr. You work in the program while going to their school, so you're always net positive, it's a lot of on-the-job training combined with I think 1 day a week of the actual class.

So yeah, in some cases not only are they that low on cost, but simultaneously you make more money than if you had just started working somewhere else basic.

I would've done the same, but I already went the IT route.

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BlaineBug 5 points ago +5 / -0

I agree with you there on those wage figures. I'm just not so sure that the technical school training is so inexpensive.

And by the way on the job training is really the most important and influential. Although technical skills teach way more useful on the job skills than any university will. You go to university for one subject and learn about 25 others, then you get the real job and then you STILL have on the job training because very little of that degree actually relates to your day in and day out activities at work!

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President_Elect_Pepe 4 points ago +4 / -0

A useful trick to those looking to make a little more out of it is to find a blue state area where cost of living is relatively cheap.

Key word being relative.

You simultaneously leverage prevailing wage with an average cost of living.

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Shariablue_Sorosbots 4 points ago +4 / -0

Some companies will put you through trade school through apprenticeship programs. The real learning comes on the job though. Working in the field while taking relevant courses is the only way to go.

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Datamancer 4 points ago +4 / -0

Depends on the school, some of the trade programs like UTI or some of the arts or cooking schools are really expensive puppy mills.

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BlaineBug 1 point ago +1 / -0

UTI is pretty big so of course they're pricey. Plus they'll charge what people will pay - and that will always have an eternal rise.

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yudsfpbc 72 points ago +73 / -1

It was pretty much like this in the 90s. I hid myself in the physics department where the professors were in a siege mentality.

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booblitchutz 34 points ago +34 / -0

Most people here were infants or not even born then so they have no idea what was going on in college campuses in the 90s.

The movie PCU was basically a documentary. It was that ludicrous!

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phandaal 7 points ago +7 / -0

Nowadays it seems like PCU was an instruction manual for people who couldn't figure out which characters were the bad guys.

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booblitchutz 11 points ago +11 / -0

Unfortunately now the lunatics that were running around campus showing their ass at every opportunity in 1994 are running the colleges, or at least are the squeakiest wheels therein.

Now the "dangerous revolutionaries" are the conservatives on campus and the wacko leftists are the vanilla undergrad population, their only revolution is brought to you by Burger King and Target and it is MOST DEFINITELY televised.

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Thrasymachus 3 points ago +3 / -0

Those 1994 loonies were themselves the prodigies of the 1960s and 1970s Marxists who, after the reduction of their movement to the hippie meme, retreated into the university system (but also, unfortunately for us, branched out into the bureaucracy) to prep the next, more radical generation. And they themselves were the prodigies of the second wave of Marxists, the post-modernists. There's a reason Antifa is ideologically the same exact organization as it was in 1932 Spain, and 1919 Germany, and so on -- it's a direct lineage of hairbrained Bolshevik "thinkers" back to the tired old original leech Marx himself.

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remember1776 9 points ago +9 / -0

"Come and take my trebuchet"

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Brucesky420 3 points ago +3 / -0

Jesus really? Imagine paying top dollar for an education and your professor tells you to get into groups to introduce yourselves

Bitch this isn't third fucking grade. I'm here to learn, not find out that Becky is a cunt who hates her parents. So glad my engineering college was nothing like this

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james43552352345 1 point ago +2 / -1

I graduated in 2015 with a business degree. Most of the business professors are based and if they do any SJW bullshit, it is simply going through the motions and nothing more. Most of the time, it is just sticking straight with what is in the book.

The college does require you to take some SJW courses but anyone with a brain realizes these are just easy A classes that simply consist of memorizing the teacher's PowerPoints and regurgitating the information on a test. Maybe a bullshit essay or two. Almost impossible to fail these classes. That's why you see so many students getting college degrees in stupid majors.

I've seen so many people flop out of the business major and switch to something like communications, psychology or similar know-nothing major. These people have basically gone no where in life post grad. Lots of them are still working the shitty minimum wage jobs but now they have 50-100k in student loan debt.

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2Legit2Quit 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is the exact problem with the BBA and BComm majors' mentality: it's by the book and doesn't pick sides. Orly??? Any one of us here can list off 50 woke shit American corporations that are doing their best to destroy America because they're merely trying to "maximize shareholder value."

Fuck that. Take a stand. Take a side. At least the leftists decide they'll be woke, but the biz nerds decide they don't have to - but they're unwittingly sucked into the woke bullshit because of their thirst to be employed and make money.

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james43552352345 1 point ago +1 / -0

They will flip if their revenue and profits starts declining. Most of the people at the top make most of their income from stock options. They need to keep the stock price going up to make their fat checks. To do that you have to keep growing the business.

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Red37 68 points ago +68 / -0

I absolutely loath when a professor required me to purchase their books for assignments; you know you have to agree with everything it says if you want a good grade. It’s distasteful. I’m fortunate that I only had a few who did this.

I had one who gave us a copy of his book for free, which was a lot better. It was a language workbook so the assignments weren’t writing about the contents of the book.

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Frostyfries 52 points ago +52 / -0

My business ethics professor made us buy the text book he wrote.

Book was called "a human venture" by v. Virom coppola.

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Darkheartisland 46 points ago +46 / -0

Usually the most unethical people teach that course.

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BasicKekinomics 11 points ago +19 / -8

My favorite bio prof wrote his own, gave away the pdf, and offered a printed copy in the book store for dirt cheap if you didn't want to print the whole thing out yourself.

Dude was cool af.

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KAG2020WIN 9 points ago +9 / -0

Had a calq prof like that.... He was one of the few worthwhile teachers I had in college... The math department hated him for not fitting in and he got fired.

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Litterboxer1 2 points ago +2 / -0

Was this at SUNY Purchase? Took a summer calc course there and the professor was B A S E D. Ended up getting canceled the following year, but we still keep in touch.

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KAG2020WIN 1 point ago +1 / -0

Naw naw, different school

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BloodyWolf 0 points ago +1 / -1

Ah, Purchase. A sprawling campus of Pre-Meds. What a place to go if you want no college experience at all. 😞

Are the larger colleges the ones that actually feel like "college"?

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Litterboxer1 1 point ago +1 / -0

Are we talking about the same Purchase? Or "Poor choice" 😂? From my memory it was not the school you went to as pre-med, but was where all the artist hippy types went. The campus would have been great for a skateboarder, but I could see how there would be no student just a bunch of dulls who probably commute to "the city" for the weekend.

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BloodyWolf 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah. The science building was the only one with any good toilets. The dance place was next door.

Dude ... "Poor Choice" is correct. sigh

Ever know a professor named Jonas? He was pretty cool. He told the dumb students that a monkey would have gotten more questions right on a test than them. Very inspirational!

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james43552352345 7 points ago +7 / -0

What you do is go to a local store that does stuff like printing, copying etc. Some have machines that will scan entire books if you pay like $15. It scans the entire book into PDF. This is what me and my buddies would do. One person would buy the book then scan it to PDF. After he scanned it, we would reseal the book and return it to the book store lol. We did this for dozens of books we couldn't find.

Also for those that don't know. Here is the website where you can download free textbook PDFS:

http://libgen.is/

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BloodyWolf 2 points ago +2 / -0

Based.

And thank you, Fren. You're doing Lord Pepe's work.

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waitingisthehardest 1 point ago +1 / -0

lol

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Thrasymachus 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's rich 🤣

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james43552352345 4 points ago +4 / -0

I just downloaded most of my books using library genesis

http://libgen.is/

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I_Used_to_be_me 5 points ago +5 / -0

Same. I think my entire undergrad and grad degree programs, I only had one book I was unable to find on llbgen and had to buy.

And as much as I'm a "I'm old school, I love books/want to read a physical book over an ebook," it's totally different w/ text and academic books. Digital is SO much better, as you can use the search function to find keywords, etc (making finding quotes, etc., for writing papers SO easy, studying easier, or even just makes it possible to not have to read the whole thing and still find the relevant info in the book to learn what you need to for the class)

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vicentezo04 3 points ago +3 / -0

My intro to econ prof gave a mini rant about how textbooks were a scam. The course textbook was 400 pages and consisted of chapters from different intro to econ textbooks spliced together. It was offered at the university printing shop for $20.

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Thrasymachus 1 point ago +1 / -0

sailboat hitchhiked

Do you just float holding a life-preserver with your thumb up until a boat sails by or how does this work

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Thrasymachus 1 point ago +1 / -0

That makes more sense (though I do like the visual implied by my version). My old man way back in the day had friends who would crew-for-hire for rich California sailboat owners on the less-than-fun route back from Hawaii to California after some manner of regatta/race/party (oh, to have been around back in the 1960s).

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BasicKekinomics 0 points ago +8 / -8

Had the same experience.

Many profs are well aware of how much of a scam the textbook industry is and actively try provide workarounds for their students.

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mestama 3 points ago +3 / -0

I went to a military college. We had a print shop that the professors allowed to copy their own books for like $2. There are so many things that I look back on that school and think they were really good people. Especially now that I work at a large university.

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pikX 2 points ago +2 / -0

Depends on the course, in my opinion. I had a calculus iv professor that used his own textbook, but the dude was a genius and the book was very helpful.

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g00se2k 57 points ago +57 / -0

Sadly this has leaked into STEM majors as well. Engineering at my school was pretty much an exercise of how many things I could memorize for 48 hours then forget forever. That system produces a bunch of engineering grads who don't know how to do anything or think through real-world problems. Not to mention the ~60 credit hours worth of classes I had to take for a "well rounded education" like English, foreign language, social sciences, etc. Huge waste of time. And it's the ONLY way you can become a licensed engineer in this country. Complete and total racket when the PE licensing board is in bed with the universities. Isn't government meant to PROTECT citizens from stuff like that? Not contribute to it?

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M16A4 26 points ago +26 / -0

Engineering at my school was pretty much an exercise of how many things I could memorize for 48 hours then forget forever.

Funny that's how they teach accounting too.

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pikX 3 points ago +3 / -0

don't even get me started i don't remember more than 5 things from half of the courses i've taken unless i found it particularly interesting or it was a result of having the formulas and using my wizard powers to get a high grade because formulas make things way easier. i've been told people relearn stuff when starting a job anyway, but that doesn't excuse the shitty mentality of "im doing this for a letter on a file" that school forces us into.

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KAG2020WIN 13 points ago +13 / -0

Same. Most of my engineering education during college was my own, private, self taught education. Can't believe I payed good money to learn how to properly watch movies... Are you effing kidding me?

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006rbc 4 points ago +4 / -0

I did 2 years at a CC first and thats basically what all of my classes were with the occasional math and physics classes thrown in, waste of money and time.

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abstr4ct 46 points ago +47 / -1

back in early 2000's they had grey market book swaps "online". Faked my way through college by writing stupid liberal shit.

never gonna donate to those fuckers. did my time and got out. I treated it like prison.

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BlaineBug 22 points ago +22 / -0

It is very much so like high school. You know how to take tests do assignments and pass the class without learning very much. Just so you can get that diploma. I understand.

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abstr4ct 32 points ago +32 / -0

I was in a class with a black lesbian who seemed to hate white men. I decided to test my theory. I wrote a banging paper. then i wrote my girlfriends paper for her, but I did a slack job.

My girlfriend got a A+ and I got a B+.

Suspicion confirmed. Fuck that teacher. She made us watch a video of a black man getting shot. When I pointed out that he had a weapon and was not following instructions she attempted to lecture me.

I told her, brandishing a weapon and being noncompliant is not helping the situation, she REEEEEEd me.

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BlaineBug 11 points ago +11 / -0

What year was this? I experienced virtually no social justice throughout my 4 years at Purdue although that was some time ago in our ever changing world. In my 2008 Sociology class we did have a "substitute" for one class though, yes, a substitute. She was a feminist and had us watching a video about how the media and commercials targeted women and it wasn't fair which was in fact unrelated to the material we were "learning" at the time. I walked out and she made a big fucking deal about it in front of the entire 100+ student hall, like we were in high school and she was trying to embarass me and shame me. I still left, she didn't bully me. She said she was "going to tell the professor about me" but I never heard about it later. Seems like the typical thing a leftist feminist would do in college. It was mind blowing to be treated like that in college though. I thought that sort of petty crap was over with. Most of my high school and middle school teachers weren't so childish as I got along with most all of my teachers throughout my public schooling tenure.

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abstr4ct 10 points ago +10 / -0

This was 2003, and it was in one of my few required "social/humanities" classes. The rest of my classes were fine. So I imagine this shit spread from social/humanities side of campus outward.

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BlaineBug 8 points ago +8 / -0

I want to go back to 2003!

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BloodyWolf 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah. Lots of hot young women. 💕😍

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BlaineBug 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was in middle school, wasn't really there yet, video games were my favorite pastime. The summer of 2003 between middle and high school may have been the most free feeling and exciting time of all - no pressure, no anxiety, the world felt as if to be at my finger tips.

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Jeffersonian_Man 5 points ago +5 / -0

From what I have heard Purdue is getting pretty sjw like.

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BlaineBug 5 points ago +5 / -0

They all are. One of the most SJW that comes to mind is Notre Dame. Catholic conservatives, lulz.

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Jeffersonian_Man 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yeah I have a buddy who's family is catholic and they're definitely not following the beliefs as intended. Funny enough his family disowned him for being too religious.

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BlaineBug 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm not religious at all, but then again I don't pretend to be. Think about it today how many staunch religious conservatives are too scared to congregate together in church because the government told them not too. I know plenty that weren't modern liberals to begin with, but after seeing them bow to these edicts has lost my respect for them.

Catholics especially is based upon repetition, tradition, and fear - perhaps that applies to most of the mainstream major religions too. I've always used to say about catholic mass, stand kneel sit stand kneel sit. Go every Sunday to complete your "obligation." What a bunch of BS. Because if you don't, you're a SINNER! Oh and don't forget to tithe!

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I_Used_to_be_me 3 points ago +3 / -0

Lol, reminds me of my grad school, Dartmouth, often referred to as the "conservative Ivy." Maybe for an Ivy it is, but HOLY CRAP. It's literally just a cultural marxism indoctrination camp. I think we only got that label because we were basically decent enough to not throw a riot when a conservative speaker showed up (they even proudly wrote an article about how we allowed a conservative to speak here without behaving like Berkeley). We're so conservative, students threw a tantrum to have the iconic, super old and historic weathervane removed from our library because it depicted the founding of the college (the founder standing next to a Native, because it was originally founded to educate native americans). We've removed similar historic murals, allowed all people to go on the yearly ski trip for free (unless they were white, they had to pay), and just so much more. I especially loved the forced, no-credit, "summer symposium," we had to take, that'd have been better titled: "You're white? You're evil, and here's why."

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BloodyWolf 2 points ago +2 / -0

The best moment is definitely when you learn to assert yourself.

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BlaineBug 2 points ago +2 / -0

I always think back and say, man, I wish I should have said this or that in response. Perhaps I should have asked this substitute c(_)nt how she thought it was her class to begin with.

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BloodyWolf 2 points ago +2 / -0

Based.

Just badmouth the next bitch you see. Vicarious revenge is good! 😜

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BlaineBug 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't run into this sort of vermin often, especially since I've never hung around hipster-esque venues.

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BloodyWolf 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'd laugh and ask how she knew I liked watching these kind of videos.

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booblitchutz 13 points ago +13 / -0

Higher Ed is just a gate you have to pass these days.

You can study software engineering for years in college, but you’ll always learn the real stuff on the job. They just want to know you went through the motions.

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BlaineBug 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yes, very little of what any university or college instructs applies to the daily activities on the work. It just so happens that a trade school focuses more on the important skills that you'll actually utilize and less of the rubbish nonsense.

"Well-rounded educations" are a total failure but do make the universities and book stores a huge chunk of change.

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booblitchutz 4 points ago +4 / -0

The concept of the "liberal arts" education was to provide a rounded base of knowledge regardless of the degree path. So a math major could still reference classic literature and an art major could still do higher math.

The concept is not wrong, it's the corruption of liberal arts coursework that has led to massive failure.

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BlaineBug 1 point ago +1 / -0

For what good purpose does a mathematics major who can reference classic literature (which is a bunch of outdated boring bullshit anyway) pose? Or for what good purpose does an art major who can work through tough upper level mathematics pose?

Most of even the basic mathematics courses I've taken throughout public schooling and college have zero use in the real world outside of basic elementary level mathetics.

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booblitchutz 1 point ago +1 / -0

Literature is part of our culture! Are you seriously arguing that culture is worthless?

As for why an art major needs higher math, it's because an art major has about a 1 in 1,000,000,000,000 chance of actually working as an artist (unless they have a family member already in the business) and some math will benefit them in their "day job".

Honestly the idea of the "liberal arts" education is to produce roundly educated people that are not just educated in one thing, constraining their options to that one thing.

But maybe to your point there is little value to understanding math, science, art, history, politics, philosophy and communication... perhaps we should just be stamped as Widget Repair Man #83476834 and shoved out the door and handed a bill for the education?

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BlaineBug 1 point ago +1 / -0

And to the second part of your post, the required public education is all about well rounded, which I disagree with. But it CERTAINLY HAS NO PART IN UPPER LEVEL EDUCATION including college. You go to college to specialize, not continue on the same "well rounded" path of shit.

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BlaineBug 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, all of the grossly overrated literature is worthless. Most of it is English anyway. Bunch of bullshit. I know The Crucible is an American classic literature but that too sucks ass.

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james43552352345 1 point ago +1 / -0

lmao same here. Keep your head down, don't talk to anyone, put your time in, pass your exams and get out.

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BlaineBug 28 points ago +28 / -0

Yeah I never really understood all of that "introduce yourselves" bull crap beyond high school. Although luckily when I was at Purdue between 2007-2011 there really wasn't any of this bullcrap. The 2 dumbest most worthless classes I ever was forced to take were Sociology and Philosophy. There's no wrong answer we were told. Then all of the students asked the professor "well why did you mark this wrong then?" Hilarious.

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Fabius 5 points ago +5 / -0

I had horrible experiences with philosophy classes. Same type of thing, marked down on the essay, go to Office hours, ask professor why I got it wrong, he can't explain why it's wrong and more importantly, what a correct answer is. I think he just wanted us to come to the conclusion that nothing is "correct". In retrospect, dude was probably just a post modern shit head before his time.

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ravioli_king 19 points ago +19 / -0

I went to a 4 year college. Got my degree decades ago. There was none of this. At worst I had one bitch of a teacher, bitch as in weak and pathetic, who cried twice during class. He was male too. I had to get up and give him a hug so we could make light of it, laugh, and get back to class. Weirdest logistics class ever. He never said what was up, what he was going through like if someone had passed away or if he just cries.

As for rampant cheating, India has that problem too where police have to come and monitor testing and make arrests.

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MasksAreChildAbuse 13 points ago +13 / -0

This is 100% spot on. Many teachers require you to buy their book and they charge WAY above costs. They lie and say they sell it at cost. Bullshit. It doesn’t cost someone $140 to print a 200 page book, even at the worst rates.

Also they made us respond to Salon.com articles and bullshit.

But it all comes down to agreement. If you agree, you get full points and praise.

I did discover though as you disagree very few will fail you but they give you petty Cs. But in a class where it’s impossible to fail, a C is effectively an F in their mind.

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Bullet3250 12 points ago +12 / -0

This is exactly correct.

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hansgruber7 9 points ago +11 / -2

Stop going to university and stop sending your kids there. Maybe a place like Hillsdale is ok, but otherwise, go to trade schools or something that isn't a Marxist indoctrination camp of depravity.

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booblitchutz 13 points ago +15 / -2

So you can exclude yourself and your children from the professional class? I get your point but all that will accomplish is putting us right where the left wants us, a permanent economic underclass.

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hansgruber7 6 points ago +7 / -1

I get what you're saying, but trade schools and other career routes are not necessarily an economic underclass. You can make a lot of money in the trades and other careers. Many people who go to university come out with lots of debt and no marketable skills with a degree in lesbian dance theory or whatever. That's a path to the underclass.

The "professional class" is becoming a really hostile place for anyone not in the hivemind. I am myself high in that world and I understand there is value in having us there, but it's not a life I will recommend to my kids. I feel like I die a little inside every day by having to stay silent to keep my job and it's getting worse all the time. I'm not sure how much longer I will survive.

The other factor to consider is that I can't tell you how many people I know who sent their kids off to university thinking they were preparing their young conservative kids to make a difference in the "professional class" only to discover that their child came out on the other end a radical leftist who hates them. Oops.

It's a real risk to consider and it's important not to be overconfident. You may think your 18 year old is different, but 18 year olds are rarely a match for the committed radical brainwashers in university. They know what they are doing and have been doing it for a long time.

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booblitchutz 4 points ago +4 / -0

The "professional class" is becoming a really hostile place for anyone not in the hivemind.

All the more reason to not allow the left to completely own it.

The other factor to consider is that I can't tell you how many people I know who sent their kids off to university thinking they were preparing their young conservative kids to make a difference in the "professional class" only to discover that their child came out on the other end a radical leftist who hates them

Not entirely unusual for a kid to finally move away from their parents and discover a temporary self-identity that is antithetical to how they were raised. With arrested development in high school, the typical teenage rebellion stage has been pushed off to college years. Sadly because they are out of your house and exposed to much more in college, it is a far more intense and lasting rebellion.

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hansgruber7 1 point ago +2 / -1

I agree, but I think there are other ways to fight the left taking over the professional class. Implementing school choice, and rolling back the advance of Critical Race Theory, which has been a tool they have used to consolidate control of the professional class and persecute anyone with integrity. I agree it's helpful to have people on the inside, but more importantly it needs to be fought on a broader level and we need some top cover. Having someone like Trump in office who banned CRT training is more effective than 10 million of me trying to keep my head down in the belly of the beast. We also need to address what has happened at universities through defunding and prosecuting for things like discrimination and violations of free speech. We need to fully boycott the worst corporate offenders like Woke-a-Cola and Big Tech.

On the rebellion point, I agree as well, but I think sending your kid to a Marxist indoctrination camp with a side of depravity increases the chances of the rebellion dramatically. It also is more likely to come with a destructive Woke element. The normal teenage rebellion involves mistakes associated with the party lifestyle. The university brainwashing (while accelerating the normal party rebellion) adds an element of Woke Marxist brainwashing. Most teenagers grow out of their rebellion and end up understanding their parents eventually. People who buy into the Woke ideology in college, often become entrenched in it and I've seen it totally destroy their relationships with their parents.

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booblitchutz 4 points ago +4 / -0

We must invade the professional class more, become more teachers, become more software engineers and lawyers. We need to participate in higher ed more instead of eschewing it. The more we cede this space to the left the more our lives will suffer.

As for college, I am 100% in favor of the idea of not living "on campus" for the first two years. I had to do that because my family situation and I was neither welcome nor willing to live at home while taking college courses and those first two years I learned everything wrong and the hard way and it was a long road to straightening my head out.

Those years 18-20 are pretty crucial now (with arrested development) in a young adult's life. That's what used to be 16-18 to people my age and younger. The environment of college campus is too full of drugs and other degeneracy to allow a person at this state of mental development to be turned loose into it. From my perspective, for my children I most definitely want them to live at home for the first year or two and take the core classes from a local option that can transfer later.

Best late schemes of mice and men, but anyway...

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Ben45 2 points ago +2 / -0

I feel like I die a little inside every day by having to stay silent to keep my job and it's getting worse all the time.

That's how we got into this mess in the first place, not being willing to be honest.

I know it isn't as simple as that nor has a simple answer either.

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hansgruber7 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's true to an extent. I'm in a professional position where I can exert influence in a meaningful way but I have to keep my head down to do it. I do speak up in scenarios that won't cost me my job and I am never dishonest. I just believe I can do more good for the truth in my position rather than speak up and be destroyed. It's a tough question. Sometimes I think I should quit, but what would that accomplish?

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Ben45 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nah if you leave it should be because they wrongfully terminate you for having an opinion. Idk what these jobs are like, but if they really are pushing CRT and other woke bs, it is just shocking that everything has become so overtly political. You're at work, there to do a job. You don't need to be taught what other people's opinions are. Yet somehow they'll bring up the topic and you're not allowed to respond to it without fearing losing your job. Insanity. I can't predict what I would do, but I'd like to think I wouldn't give enough of a shit and would just be honest and call bs bs. Luckily where I work we don't have time for woke marxism.

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hansgruber7 1 point ago +1 / -0

Most of the professional world is being taken over by this CRT crap which is being used to persecute conservatives. Just last year my employer (Federal Government) started requiring all interview questions for all positions to explain what they've done to advance diversity. Needless to say, you treat all people equally and don't discriminate is the wrong answer. As soon as the election was over, they now require CRT racist training to become a manager. Not sure how much longer I'm going to last, but I think it's important the Federal government keep some conservatives. No easy answers.

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Ben45 2 points ago +2 / -0

that's rough

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james43552352345 3 points ago +3 / -0

You can still go to college just tell your kids not to take the SJW bullshit. Use programs like CLEP to get easy college credits. Tell your kids to focus everything on getting useful skills in whatever your specialty is.

It is worth it in the end especially if you study STEM majors.

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hansgruber7 2 points ago +2 / -0

True, but it's getting harder and harder to avoid the SJW bullshit. It's everywhere on campus now. You often are required to take SJW gen-eds, it's inserted even into STEM classes, and it's pushed in orientation, dorms, hoax accusations, etc.

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james43552352345 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah. True. I can imagine it only getting worse.

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johnmic07 9 points ago +9 / -0

I used to read reviews of any professor of a class I was thinking of taking so that I could avoid the super liberal ones. But ya this experience is pretty spot on. College is worth it for stem programs, accounting, pre law, teaching, and maybe business. Everything else is just a waste of money.

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james43552352345 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yup. STEM, healthcare, business, law is my rule of thumb. Avoid everything else. Especially avoid anything that ends in "studies".

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KAG2020WIN 9 points ago +9 / -0

THIS was my college experience exactly!!! People (my family) get mad at me for bitching about how big a waste of time college was. Nobody understands why it makes my blood boil, and they get mad at me when I try to explain. It's a giant fucking SCAM! I want my years and many thousands of $$$ back. Years of my life I will never, ever get back... And now I'm starting off my life in debt, just so I could learn "white man bad, American ugly, privilege!!!". It's hard to believe I went to school for engineering... It felt like an lgbtqbbq++7 rally with extra estrogen.

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Titan93 8 points ago +9 / -1

missing

dye hair in kool-aid

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Formerlurker92 7 points ago +7 / -0

My youngest brother was in college when it all went down. He hated the pc bullshit during freshman year. When they basically put him in solitary confinement (zoom classes, not allowed to free team campuses) last year he dropped out.

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y_do_i_need_to_hide 6 points ago +6 / -0

School isn't a place for smart people

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HurdyGurdyHer 6 points ago +6 / -0

Glad I went when I was a bit older & knew what liberal idiots most of the profs were.

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booblitchutz 5 points ago +6 / -1

I write all my job descriptions with an equivalent experience option to education.

“Bachelors degree in CS or 3 years experience with A, B or C.”

I never make higher Ed a mandatory gate for any JD I write, and I know many (if not most) of the most talented people I’ve hired didn’t even study CS.

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g00se2k 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is true, unless you're in an engineering design field that requires a PE license (structural, civil, etc.). To get said license, you have to have a bachelor's degree from a school approved by the national PE licensing board, so the government owns the path to licensing and they abuse the hell out of it.

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Shalomtoyou 6 points ago +6 / -0

Go to Youtube. Or other streaming sites.

Find intelligent speakers.

Listen to Jordan Peterson.

Read the books he talks about.

Read the books those books cite.

Repeat.

You're a lot smarter.

It was free.

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Fabius 2 points ago +2 / -0

If you can read, write, and do arithmetic, you can learn anything on your own with a book.

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Shalomtoyou 8 points ago +8 / -0

Reading and arithmetic are racist.....right?

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james43552352345 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yup but the reality is we live in a "credentials" world. If you don't have a BA degree, you will be excluded straight off the top from lots of good paying jobs. That's why I tell people to just go through the motions of getting a college degree. Use CLEP, AP exams, community college and so on to get cheap credits. You don't have to go to some fancy ivy school. I went to a cheap state university and still ended up with a very good paying career. Some of of coworkers went to expensive private schools lol we make the same amount of money. I spent 15-20k for my entire 4 year degree while these other clowns spent 200k+.

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Sir_Girth 6 points ago +6 / -0

Basically my college experience in a nutshell.

Go into debt to get a job I coulda done day 1 after graduating high school. College only exists to saddle people with inescapable debt. Thanks, Bush Jr.!

I hate Globalists...

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CaptainButthurt 4 points ago +4 / -0

Dont worry. It was like that before the coof wave too. I had stem classes that professors hated when you showed more efficient and effective ways to solve a problem too. If you didnt do it exactly like how they did it, you failed. Universities today are nothing but glorified communist baby sitting services.

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AndyCuomoIsAMobster 3 points ago +3 / -0

I was an adult student going for English bachelor's and took an incredibly interesting Henry David Thoreau class where we had to read Walden and continue construction on his to-size and cabin, which we had to construct the same way HDT did in Walden.

In between construction days, we had reading discussions. Second class, "HDT ran away from society and became a hermit because of his white privilege..."- Blue Haired hipster liberal girl. This turned into a lopsided discussion on all the children patting eachother on the back about calling HDT out.

Instead, I'd focus my discussion points towards what HDT was actually saying with his actions and words. About how HDT wanted people to slow down and study the world around them, be apart of their environment, and meditate on how beautiful nature is apart from the daily human existence.

I asked my older professor if every class turns into this sort of discussion, and how has teaching the course changed for him? He confided in me that it gets old having these discussions because it forces the kids to not expand their thoughts on the actual material, they get hung up on their identity politics talking points. I was relieved, as I knew my professor was a liberal and didn't know how he'd take the question. Found out he was very reasonable and more of a classic Liberal who knew how to debate and mold his views.

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JohnCocktoastin 3 points ago +3 / -0

Imagine the millions of highly indebted millennials/gen z entering the work force only to be shocked they have no skills as a result of taking on this debt. Want to build a revolutionary army? Seems like a pretty good enlistment tool.

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lordvon 2 points ago +2 / -0

i definitely wont be putting my child through uni at cost. only if it is free through scholarships etc.

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TheRealPizzaPope 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm blessed to be at a school that has none of this bullshit. I'm not sure for how long thought. Christian Universities are becoming more and liberal by the minute.

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wolverineTEDDY 2 points ago +2 / -0

University is still a good investment in a career earnings perspective. Plus the experience of being around similar minds/co-eds, having a ton of sex, and the best times with newly made friends cannot be ignored.

You just need to make sure you are not going into $100k+ of debt. Unless you are going to become a surgeon or lawyer at a top school -- do not go into $100k+ debt. Stay in-state. Value shop. Work your way through school. Anything above $15k of debt per annum is a giant mistake.

That being said, trade-school or apprenticeship is a MUCH better option if you are not exactly an 'intelligent' book-learning type of guy. If sociology, psychology, English, philosophy or what-not is your major? You are doing it wrong.

That being said, even liberal arts degrees, a BA or BS from a State school will amplify your chances of getting a white collar job in the same State. We are tribal humans, we hire from our own tribes. College pride, etc.

You can still work your way through college pretty easily and graduate without debt. You just have to be smart. And your career earnings on average will outperform.

You can still become a plumber, and make millions over the course of a hardworking career.

America is still the greatest country for a pleb to make money. Although day-by-day, year-by-year this statement becomes questionable.

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Shillyourself 2 points ago +2 / -0

College is essentially teaching kids what they should have learned in high school and making them perpetual debt slaves in the process.

Read John Taylor Gatto's *Weapons of mass instruction" if you'd like to understand just how fucked over we've been for the last hundred years.

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Mrs762x51mm 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hubby got a 2 year gunsmithing degree in 2006. He has been machining ever since. He learned 5 axis on the job and has worked in multiple industries such as defense, pharmaceuticals, job shop, automotive, civilian firearms etc. He started his business in 2014, first as a contractor and for the last 3 years he is doing it full time successfully from his own shop. Perseverance was the key for him as there were many set backs. He had to work in sweatshops making 10 bucks an hour at first but still got paid to learn and eventually started getting paid well. Operators are a dime a dozen but if you acquire knowledge and can prove it, true Machinist are in demand and paid well. Not acting like a know it all, having a good attitude with a good work ethic will get you far in the manufacturing world.

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InternetPersona 1 point ago +1 / -0

was one of 3 to 5 people in a class of 30 who didn't have programs working pretty regularly. the other 25 to 27 people all just presented a single program. I didn't like to cheat AND had a job which occupied all my regular waking hours outside of school so I couldn't attend the beer and pot parties where these children got their programs put together.

Another class run by the department head had just 4 of us in it. I could never stay after class for the bull shit session where the instructor helped assemble the bread board circuits for the assignments.

Left college without a degree, almost have my loans paid off. I have a huge family and am highly respected in my field with a comfortable salary. Fuck college. I told my wife there won't be a college fund for any of the kids. Trade school or fund your own indoctrination.

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c0mpl3x 1 point ago +1 / -0

I can confirm the cheating is rampant, such a joke of an education. Lol!

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Ginaccc 1 point ago +1 / -0

There were a couple "full points for trying" papers I had to write at school. So if you write your name at the top, you get full points. There were a lot of kids there taking remedial classes after graduating high school. The school gets lots of funding for them so the school doesn't mind a bit. But most important of all, you better agree with the libtard "professor". That about the only way to get a bad grade. You really have to put effort in to fail, not succeed these days.

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tiberseptim37 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm so fed up with the entire chickenshit system. Unfortunately, I'm in a STEM career and it's my only option for advancement.

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EternityEchoes 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not hyperbole

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xzibit_b 1 point ago +1 / -0

This person doesn't explain what they were majoring in and what their intended career was. I didnt need to go to a university to get my foot in the door of an IT career, I just went to a local community college.

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GhostofJoeMcCarthy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Pol Pot was bang on the money about academics.

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2pacalypse 1 point ago +1 / -0

Points

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antimatter 1 point ago +1 / -0

College is so not worth it now. Even if you only get a moderatly paying job to start,its better than spending your 20s in college gping into insane debt only to come out still lucky to find a moderate payong job. Where as if you had just started working instead, you would have years of experience in the real world and no debt but 4 years of hopefully some savings.

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basedtexapede 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree 100% and I'm a college professor. (Though I'm in a STEM field, so maybe I don't count.)

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james43552352345 1 point ago +1 / -0

The problem with this is there are so many jobs that have zero value from the experience. Think of service level jobs like food service, customer service and many other menial labor jobs. No one cares if you have 15 years experience as a janitor so you end up stuck forever at the bottom.

A college degree in a useful major can actually put you into a career where you can move up to eventually making 100k+/year.

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antimatter 1 point ago +1 / -0

You are only stuck as a janitor if thats the only job you go for. And its a complete lie that there are jobs with zero experience value. Problem with kids coming out of of college never worked a day in their life is they have no idea of proper work etiquette, showing up on time, or solving a problem on your own. Some of my best hires lately have been people without the college degree, they are hard working, willing to figure out a solution on their own and not get stuck in the details and constantly relying on others.

That summer job as a teenager mowing lawns is just as educational in a different way as getting an internship at computer shop or auto mechanic.

If someone gets a job flipping burgers and never looks elsewhere, then sure they will be flipping burgers until the robots take over. That goes for people WITH their degree still working at starbucks after getting their feminist history degree.

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Undying 1 point ago +1 / -0

I can't believe no one recorded zoom streams and sold them.

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operatorstorm712 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yep. However, as a former instructor -- it is very difficult to make any headway on changing the very thing this Anon is bitching about when, at the first sign that they may have to do some hard work and be graded on a tough standard, students drop the class and complain to the department head (and give you bad ratings on "Rate My Teacher" -- yes you lazy little fucksticks, I read your comments and regret...nothing! you deserved to fail my class you cretinous little cocksuckers...because you were too fucking lazy to even take the advice to "please don't try to turn in a paper in 20 font and double returned paragraphs and try to pass it off as a legit 5 page essay"...quit whinging about how big bad me made you write too much!).

Sorry, my own little waltz at the Bitterness Ball came out to play. Carry on...

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gquickie 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm in an engineering master's program. The Engineering college is still pretty professional from what I can tell. The professors stick to the material. Math isn't racist. We don't learn how women engineers make less than male engineers.

... but the emails from the university president... dear God. The most woke grandstanding bullshit. He sends out these emails that are always apologizing for something. And there are these diversity officers and student diversity representatives that have him by the balls in super tight vice grips.

At least for now, the engineering college is just rolling along. But I worry that it is only a matter of time before it capitulate.

I only have 1 year left. I want to graduate before the scourge spreads.

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reagan2024 1 point ago +1 / -0

I also had high expectations for college. I learned that in college people get high a lot.

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BloodyWolf 1 point ago +1 / -0

Brilliant.

Are the college girls there at least hot?

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_Cabal_ 1 point ago +1 / -0

This isn't even hyperbole. This is legitimately what happens. It's fucking pathetic and embarrassing.

College-age adults are basically children now.

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UCLA_freethinker 1 point ago +1 / -0

This hits too close.

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Fabius 1 point ago +1 / -0

College is filled with negros and communist women.

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TwoWords 1 point ago +1 / -0

Deebly goncerned