Communism would only ever be successful if the “oppressed” were made up entirely of good likeminded people who agreed upon their system of government and valued it higher than themselves.
Totalitarianism is the human need for a higher power expressing itself in a hedonistic and nihilistic world that rejects religion without pondering the need for religion in the first place.
These leftists arrogantly believe they are Nieztche’s “Ubermensch” when really what they are doing is outsourcing their morality and selling their individual liberty to a global ruling class, or as often the case directly to the CCP.
Now factor in distribution and you'll realize the vast majority of sociopaths are in the top and bottom echelons of society. It's why they see eye to eye to often.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but that goes for any system, including this one.
This is what a Libertarian autist sounds like, not a person who understands reality. See all the weird little things they included to make their point? Imagine thinking Caesar rejected religion. Imagine thinking the Egyptians did. Imagine thinking Muslims reject religion because they are totalitarians. Imagine how fucking stupid you would have to be to make a claim like the one I quoted.
And here you'll see a weird, off-hand remark about Nietzsche, someone the poster has neither read nor understands. Then notice how they use him to make a point. That's what Leftists do, and I bet OP was a Leftist at some point. Those on the right do not often criticize Nietzsche unless it's from a right-wing stance on religion.
How does one outsource morality? Who knows, but it sounds good, right?
Libertarians must be removed from our movement asap.
Actually there was one system of socialism in the world that worked, but it was also not based on communist ideology. It was the Inca system of "Meta". If you were a farmer you gave one third of your crop to the "people, one third to the Inca (King), and kept one third for yourself. Same with the raising of Llama wool, or a fisherman, or maker of pots, and so on. If you needed a wool cape the Inca would give you one. If you needed corn he gave you a bag of corn, and so forth for your needs. The one third given to the Inca went into silo's, and storage bins spread across the Empire for times of need. But that Meta also extended into males giving four months out of every year for projects the king directed. Building roads, temples, mining, or whatever. When Pizzaro came along from Spain and conquered the Inca's (Quechua Indians) he saw the benefits of Meta workers and put the males to work in silver mines for a four months duration importing them from mostly coastal towns. But due to harsh conditions so many died that he extended their Meta obligation to six months, then nine months as more died. Finally 12 months until almost all the males died. The burial grounds in those villages over that period reflect fewer, and fewer males buried, until after a few decades only women, and children were buried. Almost destroying the Quechua tribe. That was the end of a system that had worked fairly, and benefited, everyone equally. The Spanish came for the three G's. God, Glory, and Gold. but not necessary in that order !
That's not communism, and obviously you said socialism. In communism, you don't have private property. Great post otherwise, and I appreciate the history. Always cool to learn something like that. Thank you.
No not really communism, but as I said a form of socialism. I enjoy history also, and the story of the Inca Empire is full of interesting information. The Roman are noted for their famous road the Appian Way to move troops and trade in the Empire. But little is said about the road the Inca's built all along the Pacific coast of Peru. Used for trade it outdid the Roman road in that it was so wide that the Inca army could march over a 100 abreast to arrive in greater numbers faster at a battle. The Romans only a few abreast in a long, long column.
We have always had a form of socialism. We have it in the U.S., and everyone alive has known it. I don't think in itself it's a big deal. However, the state must be aligned properly, and right now it is not.
We have become a welfare state with too many wanting a ride on the gravy train. What happened is that with that excuse the government took over that "duty", and as a result had an excuse to tax us more, and more, and throw money around, make laws, and regulations (which are treated as laws). Not long ago people were expected to work or suffer from being shiftless. The elderly poor, crippled, mentally challenged, and orphans were cared for by churches, charities, and local communities. Then big brother came along made the train longer, and put biscuit wheel on it. With all that money floating around bureaucracies were created with high paying political toadies in charge.
Can we go over this? Who is getting welfare? Can we break it down by age group, race, etc.? I want to know who these people are. Don't you? And if we find that a certain group is taking more than they give, how do you fix that without them burning your cities down?
Have you ever thought that we live in a society made for people with an IQ of 100 and people with an average IQ of 85 cannot function in it? Because that's what happened. And now they see us as weak and want to take and steal what we built. That's also normal.
What group did this? Everyone? When did it change? Who changed it? What allowed it to change? Why did everyone go along with it?
Those are gone now. So, what are you going to do with all of them? They want to kill you and take your shit.
It wasn't done by fiat. Americans voted for it. So this is what they get.
I didn't mean my thoughts on welfare to be a black thing. But yes today they are the ones overflowing the train. In the 16,17, and the 1800 hundreds's there were mostly some whites, that were needy beyond their control as I said elderly, crippled, and such. Their were agencies (specially as the mid west opened up) that would collect 50, 100 children from orphanages, put them on trains, and at each stop in farm country would bring the kids out to let groups of farmers "adopt" who they saw as health workers for the farm. The blacks were not part of that problem as they were mostly on plantations that feed, and cared for them. Even in their old age. Some free blacks unable to fend for themselves picked out a "good owner", and sold themselves back into slavery. Pretty much the big jump into "social programs was when FDR started Social Security, and that opened the door for more, and more social programs,
He said "not based on communist ideology"
Well said.
You have taken my points and ran them through your anti-libertarian filter, or perhaps I’ve just failed to communicate, because to me what you’re doing is what leftists do.
I bring up Nietzche not to criticize him but to criticize those who use his ideas to push anti-religious sentiment, because his statement of “God is dead” was not a celebratory cry.
Also, my thoughts on totalitarianism are not descriptive of every rise to totalitarianism and painting them that way is one hell of a straw man. Communists break down religion and culture to bring about totalitarianism, that is consistent across every rise to communism, so perhaps totalitarianism was too broad a term.
Also our system does not require everyone to be a good person because in a system of mostly good capitalists more bad people should fail than rise to the top.
Outsourcing morality is getting off on virtue signaling about whatever is popular at the moment, which is heavily manipulated. You don’t think these people who “raise awareness” about this is or that to feel good about themselves while living an otherwise morally bankrupt life aren’t outsourcing their morality?
You’ve framed “outsourcing morality” as if it’s something I’m promoting.
And no, I was never a leftist, always a strict constitutionalist and Christian Conservative, albeit I’m no snake handling Bible thumper that hates gay people.
What I'm doing is what those on the real Right do.
But I appreciate your response, sir. Let's get into it.
I hate Libertarians more than Leftists, to be honest, though not communists. Communists are the worst. I hate them because they don't live in the real world, and most of them are selfish sociopaths.
Nuance would be greatly appreciated.
So, do you think people have free will and can think of themselves or no?
Christians do this all the time. It's human nature. I don't blame Christians. I just think humans are this way. I'm not going to change human behavior.
I have never heard the term, and I didn't think you were promoting it. It's a meaningless buzz phrase.
Fair enough. There's no reason to hate someone who is gay, but we on the right should not tolerate it in public. We are the ones who fought against gay marriage. The reason why is now extremely clear.
You say get into it, but I don’t believe you have at, just another surface level jab at how I’ve put together my argument, I’m not blaming these people either, I’m just making the argument that these people drawn towards this leftist and authoritarian ideology because they have no other base for morality, other than I suppose some innate human beliefs which clearly can be trampled if they were existent in the first place.
These people see real or what they perceive to be injustice and want something to be done about it, they’re desperate for something to believe in, a cause that’s bigger than themselves, which ends up being the state.
“Somebody should do something” politics only serves to give more power to the state.
Yeah Christians can be guilty of this too, but the Bible makes clear that you can preach all day but you have to walk the walk.
I do think people have free will, but I also think most people aren’t very bright and are very easily manipulated, whether that be directly by a bad actor, or just into being a self serving nihilistic dopamine addict, I mean look at all the media companies serving out platforms to share videos under 30 seconds long, it’s all about that next hit.
My main point, is that the nature of humanity is to fall prey to authoritarianism in the absence of culture or religion that can steer the course.
They are two different things. That's my issue. Smart people on the right are naturally drawn to right-wing authoritarian ideologies because they work. That's how you stop communists. You don't leave everything available to be exploited, sir.
What do you think those are? I'm not sure what you mean.
Wait, what? They hate the state. That's the problem with Leftists. They aren't nationalists. We in the right-wing believe in the state. We aren't Libertarians. We want to use the state to our own means to crush our opponents and clean the country up. It's not going to do it by itself. And if you let the current trends to continue, none of this will matter anyway.
You have a very strange anti-state approach. Why? If we had power, we'd fix this shit. There is nothing wrong with giving the state power so long as it is for the people it serves. For example, the state permits abortion on demand. Maybe they shouldn't.
That's why so many people hate Christians. Ever met a Greek Orthodox Christian? They aren't like that.
Well, sir, you can't have it both ways. If they are so easily manipulated, then we should be the ones manipulating. That would be our duty as men. To make sure our nation is how we want it. That's literally our job. If you leave it open to do whatever you want, this is what you get. This. 2021. That's what happened.
I do not follow this line of reasoning at all.
Also, libertarians are largely extremists that have edged too close to anarchism for my taste, but I trust them far more than I trust establishment republicans who think there’s still reason to have any faith or trust in our system.
You're probably right. That's rough.
It would be really interesting to see a Political Affiliation breakdown of those numbers.
Should demand Governor Whitmer undergo an evaluation
I think we all have some sociopathic tendencies, not full blown, but some. It's human nature to be somewhat selfish and take advantage of things for one's own benefit. I don't steal from others, myself, and have gone so far as to correct a bill at a restaurant when I wasn't charged for extra. So if I am a sociopath, I am a really shitty one.
I don't steal from others either, but if I had to in order to feed myself and/or my family, then I might. I probably couldn't steal from another starving family, but from a store, perhaps.
We have empathy and it's a survival trait. It gets passed down because you are more likely to live and reproduce if you have cooperation with other humans and the ability to understand their suffering so you can avoid it yourself.
Empathy can be ignored with reasoning (irrational or not) or it can be absent. I think the only way to solve the first problem is policies that result in more informed, reasonable, and rational people.
I was referring to pettiness in my description. Outright survival, I can understand.
That is the reason our education system is doing their best to clone like minded sheep. Everyone most go "Baaaa" at the same time, and real mean it.
i found 24 normal people
so...
it's me, isn't it....
I imagine that percentage is much higher in the public sector.
F.A. Hayek, in Road to Serfdom explains it by saying communism, and all collectivism, concentrates power in a central authority.
This concentration is an irresistible lure for the megalomanic personality, people best able to manipulate and dominate others in pursuit of power -- but these are precisely the type of people that must be kept from power at all costs.
In other words, collectivization produces the very conditions that inevitably result in a descent to totalitarianism.
Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse: Dune
David Brin
There is nothing wrong with collectivism if its aim is correct. We aren't in favor of little government. Those days are long over. We just want the power now. If we have it, we can save this country from ruin.
If people have free will, how can they be manipulated? Or do you think people are just too stupid?
In other words, collectivization has produced some of the very best things in human history and some of the worst. There is nothing wrong with the idea itself.
I love watching people downvote but won't debate me.
then they would all starve to death.
If men were angels, no government would be necessary. Since men are not angels, the more power government has, the more it will be abused. Hence Communism = unlimited government power = hell on earth.
Since men are not angels, the more power the government has to stop the Left, the more benefits us. We need to be the ones wielding power.
Once that power is there, it always ends up getting taken over eventually by those willing to do anything to get it, ie the Left. Limited government is the answer.
That's not true. European kings were not Leftists. Limited government will never be the answer, and I will wage total war on those that advocate for it.
They may not have been Leftists, but they were tyrants. Not clear you believe in freedom. Our founding fathers realized that the only way to preserve freedom was with limited government and checks and balances. Read the Federalist Papers if you haven't.
I have, and they don't live in 2021. If they did, they would have written the Constitution differently and everyone knows it. After all, they didn't give women voting power and we kept slavery. Our Founding Fathers weren't perfect, and many of their ideas proved to be flawed at best.
I don't worry about freedom. I keep my duty to my people.
People who don't worry about freedom tend to lose it.
It's already lost. Now, we have duty. I didn't worry about my freedom when I joined the Army. Freedom isn't everything.
If I remember right there’s double the percentage of federal prisoners in government and corpo management
Wait until the public learns some sociopaths are Anti-Sociopathic and see bullies as the ultimate prey.
Only way to stop one is to use one to fight it.
There's no sport in hunting the weak. Bullies are way more fun to mess with because the reversal of fortune drives them nuts.
;)
Hey man, you wanna pick on someone, come pick on me.
The sociopaths end up being the patry members, the aparatchiks.
Ehhhhh... probably 2%. Still, a disappointing number.
Now, with brain scans we can identify psychopaths with 99.99% accuracy. With image battery tests, we can identify pedophiles by pupillary dilation.
We can permanently remove these elements from our society. IF we have the political will to demand it at any cost.
About 15 of those 25 people are also either lazy or not good at self motivation/ taking initiative and another four or five actually have really low IQs, a chronic disability or personality types that regularly impede work. That's the other problems with a socialist or communist nation. As in George Orwell's Animal Farm, the vast majority of the animals simply tried to do as little work as possible to avoid punishment, the pigs got rich and the horse tried to carry the whole farm, ended up dying and sold off to make glue.
Then YAY, sociopaths!