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posted ago by rplgn ago by rplgn +28 / -0

So, my fellow cyber warriors, the new website frankspeech.com is using established technology like WordPress. He advertised it as secure, performant, bla bla bla website which he spent much money on. WordPress is based on PHP and I doubt that this scripting engine can support so much pressure. We will see. It will be a big pile of DDoS for many months, you can already tell by that weak tech choice. But I am hopeful, he is a charismatic powerful businessman, on fire, a great supporter of Trump. MAGA!

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CahalTheMad 6 points ago +6 / -0

Whoa, what's with all the deleted comments?

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rplgn [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

We have upset the powers of the underworld!

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Taxis -5 points ago +5 / -10

We have Gab. We're good. Just use that.

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rplgn [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

If he were serious to compete against Gab he would have programmed that thing entirely in C++.

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jnvsor 5 points ago +5 / -0

WordPress is based on PHP and I doubt that this scripting engine can support so much pressure

Swing and a miss.

PHP isn't the issue. It'll have a small overhead over something like C but with a much easier development cost. Facebook used PHP for years before developing HHVM for performance issues, and PHP's performance improved enough to tie it in the following years.

The real issue is wordpress. Good lord, why wordpress. That right there is amateur hour. Sounds like he got his "Good with computers" teenage nephew to build it or something.

There are ways to harden wordpress into something satisfactory for a mid-sized website. Bedrock. Timber. Wordfence.

But it's a fundamentally flawed outdated design whose authors will happily ignore security vulnerabilities until threatened with public disclosure on twitter, and then break half the ecosystem hacking in a flawed non-fix while security researchers scream at them to pull their heads out of their asses.

Watch it get hacked inside a week.

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jnvsor 2 points ago +2 / -0

Shit. That's almost worse. The drupal guys are the PHP worlds poster-child for get woke go broke... I wouldn't put it past them to make a backdoor just to fuck with them.

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Jaqen 1 point ago +1 / -0

A rare knowledgeable technipede has emerged.

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rplgn [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I appreciate your take on the chosen technology. While PHP has improved upon the years, the overhead should not be underestimated. All website requests go through Apache and then to a PHP module which then translates a text file from disk into code and then serves the website. If Mike used native code instead then he were not limited by API provided by PHP for optimization. In the long run he becomes a slave to be a WordPress beta tester and PHP participation trophy.

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zeeshopper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Never heard of Swoole?

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jnvsor 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well nowadays the opcache and optimized autoloading means the overhead for reading thousands of files of PHP code is approximately 0. The bytecode is all cached and the server only flushes it if the file changes on disk.

If he were using native code there would be 2 options:

  1. Write an entire webserver to replace apache/nginx
  2. Have the server delegate requests to the executable/pool

No-one does 1 because that's a huge effort, and in 2 all requests still go through apache. In fact you can also do 2 with PHP. That's how it works in nginx which doesn't have a PHP module, but it's usually done with module in apache because it's faster (And apache is slower than nginx so you need the speed)

When you get to the size of gab et. al. your biggest issue from a performance standpoint is the database. No programming language will fix that amount of IO. You need it distributed, and then you bump into cap

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rplgn [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

We are forgetting one important point. PHP is designed to be one-shot to serve PHP files. Data is usually stored in external databases, mostly based on SQL, which introduces another anchor in the endless chain. If he were to pick a native language he could cache data in executable memory, speeding up the most frequent requests. Good luck doing that with PHP.

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zeeshopper 1 point ago +1 / -0

You've obviously never heard of Swoole.

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zeeshopper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Finally someone who's knowledgeable and who's speaking the truth. PHP is not the issue. Wordpress is. Wordpress is cancer.

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blitzkrieg 3 points ago +3 / -0

When I was watching, Good ol' Mike was saying he hit 85M+ today... you have to have some serious servers to accomplish that on the 1st day out the gate. I ordered some stuff from his site w/ the code just to show some support. Still won't give him my phone number though. lol

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rplgn [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

That is probably a count of connections, and that includes DDoS flooding. So divide that number by 10 and you may get a more realistic count?

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We_will_win 3 points ago +4 / -1

Wordpress is great for a small to middle sized website but php is not going to support millions of viewers it is also not secure when you are talking about peoples private information.. This is an epic fail as far as i am concerned..

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rplgn [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

This tech combination is very prone to disastrous mistakes in the long run. I agree with your sentiment.

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mintyfresh 3 points ago +3 / -0

PHP reminds me of sendmail and flash, similarly risky software.

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We_will_win 4 points ago +4 / -0

Php is more secure than those two but it does have vulnerabilities, and because it is so widely used on the web there are alot more people out there who know how to exploit this, especially when using wordpress to run the site!

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mintyfresh 1 point ago +1 / -0

True, a different consistency of swiss cheese. ?

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fake_new_media 2 points ago +2 / -0

we will about that isnt it? the site still on. which is good news.

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rplgn [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I do not understand why people DDoS him. Players that could have a stake in this are social media competitors as well as political groups.

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wethepepe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Amateurs bash PHP because it’s PHP

Experts know that PHP is just as capable as any other language if written and run correctly.

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rplgn [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

History shows that PHP has been lacking in performance. I am a well experienced developer. Could be that your philosophical, commie-at-heart statement ("everything is great if used correctly!") indicates experience, too. Mike Lindell can be happy with his new blog website I guess. More potential is gonna cost him, a dear lot.

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wethepepe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Speed test wise PHP doesn’t actually do that badly now. While it’s bot a sexy language, it’s come a long way from where it was

But yes. Can’t disagree that Wordpress software might not be the right choice for the kind of platform they’re going after. Unless all they want is a blog they can post content to

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IronWolve 2 points ago +2 / -0

Its not a message app like gab, it's a podcast and news network for people kicked off youtube, Twitter and Facebook.

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rplgn [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

To me it seems like it was planned to be a middle-sized blog from the very beginning, even from the software choice of PHP and WordPress.

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mintyfresh 2 points ago +2 / -0

They also learned the hard way that you never release software at the end of the work week.

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magadommer -6 points ago +1 / -7

looks to me to be Drupal actually (use of /node content types and found a couple mentions in the CSS). as you can see, that login linked to a different landing page, they likely just used WordPress in the interim.

Drupal isn't any better though. they're having caching issues already and the site doesn't include any user functionality apart from registration / login. not even comments.

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rplgn [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I love the message that Mike Lindell stands for. Just being hard on him because I want him to do his best. God bless!

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