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posted ago by ThebigLMAOski17 ago by ThebigLMAOski17 +23 / -0

Time is running short but there is still time for those who wish to do so.

If you live in a major city, and you are reading this, you already know whats coming.

Question is, what can you do about it?

the best answer i have for anyone in this situation is to pool all your money, get a loan if you can, and buy some land out in the middle of nowhere that has a long driveway.

Short term goal is to get you, your family, and your shit as far from the city as possible.

STEP ONE - GTFO plan:

  • buy land
  • buy used RV (that you can live out of)
  • build polebarn large enough to house your RV
  • move all your shit there

if you use shipping containers to construct the polebarn (like this https://youtu.be/uGnvF118tfc) you now have a bunch of lockable dry storage for your shit.

STEP TWO - basic infrastructure

  • drill well and/or install rainwater harvesting
  • install solar on the roof
  • install septic

This gets you "hookups" for your RV, you could stop here and you'd be great for years but the goal is to build a homestead, and living out of an RV forever isn't ideal... it's just temporary.

STEP THREE - make it a home

... this can be done two ways, depending on the money you have available to you.

cheap way:

  • install a bathroom and kitchenette along the back wall
  • park the RV outside and build bedrooms
  • sell the RV and build a living room

expensive way:

... stay in the RV till you build the house next to it

  • install a bathroom and kitchenette along the back wall of the barn
  • live out of the RV barn while you build your house
  • sell the RV when the house is finished

obviously there are tons of variations on this plan, everyone has unique situations and unique skillsets which will change when/where/how all of this happens... but this is just the basic framework of what you should be looking to do to quickly and comfortably move the fuck out away from the warzones that our cities will become shortly.

LAND CHOICE - find cheap land in the country

must have

  • southern exposure (for solar)
  • drillable water
  • distance (long driveway) from a road (for security)

nice to have but not 100% necessary

  • wooded lot (building shit, firewood, hunting)
  • good neighbors (get far enough out in the country and this is a given)
  • lots of land (privacy)
  • lax local building codes (impossible in many states)
  • good soil (not just for gardening/farming but also try to avoid rocky soil as it will be a bitch to dig in)

HOME DESIGN (if you are building a home next to your RV barn)

  • use solar calculator to determine best roof pitch for your region ( for example: http://www.solarelectricityhandbook.com/solar-angle-calculator.html) then have custom roof trusses built at the angle for best fixed solar gain in your region (mono slope is best for more sq ft or solar potential)
  • use passive design to face lots of windows south, with long roof overhangs. this will block out heat in the summer (when the sun tracks high in the sky), but allow lots of light into the windows during the winter (when the sun tracks low on the horizon)
  • a thin layer of closed cell spray foam is great insulation, but it is also ideal for sealing the structure and adding structural integrity (prevents twisting/racking of the frame in the wind)
  • follow behind the closed cell with more insulation, closed cell is expensive and it's not necessary to fill all the cavities with it... you can get away with a thin layer of closed cell followed by the insulation of your choice to fill in the rest of the wall cavities
  • electric radiant floor heating is great, hydronic (hot water) is better. radiant floors are usually encased in some sort of hard surface (like concrete or tiles) which will work in conjunction with your homes passive solar gain (to act as a heat battery during the day when the sun is shining on it). nice thing about hydronic radiant heat is you can heat the water (which heats the floors) in dozens of different ways from electric boilers, woodfired stoves with a coil loop, even old school black pipe solar collectors... you can even use a combination of these systems as backups in case one method fails or isn't useable at the time
  • passive cooling uses convection/heat stack effect to open windows/vents along the upper floors to draw in cooler air from the shaded sides of your home. most people achieve this by opening south facing upstairs windows or vents and downstairs north facing windows. you can improve this effect by installing cooling tubes under the ground that allow air to enter after it's been cooled by the earth.

CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING UTILIZATION OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS

Many here in this community appear to think that shipping containers are some hippydippy cuck faggot thing to consider. They hear "shipping container home" and they think tiny home made of one container.

The truth however is that shipping containers are cheap, strong, and able to be configured into anything you can dream up.

This is why shipping containers have been used by the prepping community decades before pencil thin ironic mustache hipsters started fagging up the concept.

at the end of the day, with even a very basic understanding of welding and metalwork (youtube) you can cheaply construct a fire-proof, bug-proof, emp-proof, smallarms-proof home that will outlast any modern stick built home.

the biggest advantage of designing a home this way is you can fly all the containers into place on the foundation, roof it, then finish portions of the house as you get time/money. having unfinished rooms/wings/floors of the home isn't going to hurt a fucking thing, it's just unconditioned dry storage till you can get around to it.

HOW TO SELECT CONTAINERS

  • you want to focus on retired 40 foot HIGH CUBES. while these aren't as common as the standard 8 foot tall containers, the 9.5 foot tall high cubes are still the most popular size (40 foot) that you can easily find that will be of use to your project. 8 feet is just not enough by the time you add flooring and a celling with room for wires and lights and vents
  • ask to the see the manifest, each container has a unique global shipping number and a log/history of everything it's shipped in the past. make sure you are selecting ones that haven't been used to transport anything poisonous and you're good. odds are you'll be at least painting the metal and sealing the wood floors (i would suggest removing the floors but thats for another day)... so it shouldn't matter... but it's nice to know you aren't living out of something that transported cyanide.
  • retired cans are cheaper, but you can ask for "one trippers". they will cost you significantly more but they are usually in pristine condition and only ever hauled one thing so you can be more secure in the history of the container
  • depending on your home design you can get "custom" containers that have unique openings (side doors, double end doors, open top, etc...) but they will be hard to find and they will cost you quite a bit more than a standard 40 foot HC.
  • dents and dings are fine, a crane can move them around like lego blocks and you can delete these imperfections by placing them in the areas you plan to remove (to cut in windows/doors or remove walls to make open areas)
  • if you can, ask the seller if they have any "fleet containers", sometimes you have groups of containers that stay together because they were used by one company to ship the same thing in a group of multiple containers. the advantage being these containers will all be the same make/model/design so you won't run into any surprises with one container being different from another. at the very least, when selecting containers, try to pick ones that are all similar construction/design even if they aren't from a "fleet"
  • if you design your home in such a way that the condition of the containers isn't that important, you can save a lot of money buying the less desirable ones. if you plan to showcase the aesthetics of the containers as part of the finished home, you may have to pay a little more for ones that aren't as beat to shit.

CONTAINER HOME DESIGN

  • think of them as giant lego blocks, but keep in mind that they are designed to distribute most of their weight on the posts. you want to avoid cantilevered designs as much as possible, just stick to the basics of stacking them side by side or on top of each other. you're trying to build a survival compound here not a fucking frank loyd wright arthouse.
  • the corrugated walls are an important part of the structural integrity of the container. they are what helps to prevent cupping, bowing, twisting, racking. they can easily be removed SO LONG AS you add in additional supports to compensate for what you are going to remove. if you are going to cut out a window or door opening, frame it out in square tube before you do. This way when you remove the section of wall, you aren't compromising the structural integrity of the system.
  • foundations should at least be concrete piers for the 4 feet to land on, but ideally you'd want to fully support the containers for the entire length if you can (to avoid sagging/bouncing in the center). either way when you pour your foundations make sure you use a metal plate to cap the still wet concrete to use as a pad to set the containers posts onto... this lets you weld them directly to the foundation making the house damn near hurricane proof. i've seen container homes built over basements and crawls, where the north and south walls have metal pads for the feet, and the center of the basement had an i beam on posts that carried the center of each container. i've also seen container homes built as "slab on grade" where after the initial foundation was cured and the containers were in place... the homeowners came back and replaced the floors with poured concrete to run their radiant heat loops in the floor.

SECURITY

  • if you build a two story house, incorporate into your home design a defendable 2nd floor. you want a central staircase leading to the bedrooms upstairs and you want that staircase long and narrow to give you a perfect shooting alley. if you plate the landing at the top of the stairs and at least the top couple steps with something thick enough, you can lay down on top of that in a prone position and fire down the stairs at home invaders with some nice protection
  • long driveway with at least a gate, if you can, a sally port (a small secure "gatehouse" building with a garage door at either end)
  • landscaping should be used to grade the land away from your house for drainage... but if you incorporate undulations in the land with swales it makes it nearly impossible for a vehicle to ram your home without using the main driveway (which you can block off with a vehicle or concrete movable barricade)
  • you want good camera coverage and line of sight as far out as you can get. ideal situation would be on top of hill in the middle of an open field but you gotta work with what the land gives you.
  • awning style windows affords you the luxury of being able to open them outward and shoot down while still remaining somewhat covered from rain and even act as a deflector of rounds sent your way... not a very effective one but something is better than nothing.
  • with passive home design you want all your large windows facing south, try to make the rest of them small enough that they aren't going to be easily used as ingress points

...speaking of windows, shipping container homes offer you the luxury of building the house to fit the windows so you can contact window factories and purchase "mis-measures" that someone didn't accept for quite a substantial discount. you'll have to get creative in how you use them but in the end who fucking cares, you aren't trying to win better homes and gardens house of the year.

i'm just here to build you a house, to give you an escape... the rest is up to you.

food production, passive income, home industry, wood/metal/auto shop...

you can literally do anything once you have a base of operations established.

i sincerely hope this helps someone out there, i hope it helps a lot of you. i don't know everything, but this is what i've been able to cobble together in my almost 50 years of kicking around various industries.

Good luck everyone, and for fucks sake if you live in or near any major city at least CONSIDER what i just took the time to type out for you.

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56peasants 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's my dream

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ThebigLMAOski17 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can do it, if i did it anyone can.

If you have questions and/or want to start a discussion about anything you're not sure about post it here and i'll be glad to do what i can.

Would be great if this thread sparked some interest in people saving themselves from whats coming.

living int he country gets you significantly more land and home for your money, yeah you gotta drive a little further, you change your shopping to bulk buying...

but it's a life changing decision.

many people don't realize how much constant stress they are under until it's gone.

like being poor for years, then suddenly getting a good job and catching up on bills...

that feeling of relief...

you get that when you get out of the city... not constantly worrying about some garbage human robbing you or running into you... fresh air... endless "i do what i want"...

seriously... it changed my life, i'm a much happier guy now.

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56peasants 2 points ago +2 / -0

I really appreciate it! It is inspiring. I havent felt true peace or calm since moving from my grandparents home. I'll get back there one day or make my own. I'm saving now have about 7k so far

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ThebigLMAOski17 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can do it.

Most homesteaders start very very small. a cheap piece of land that nobody wants can sometimes be a blessing for those who are willing to get creative with home design.

For example, a friend of mine purchased some land that nobody would buy because it was mostly a rocky cliff. you could park at the top of the property, but most of the property was unwalkable and dangerous.

He spent the money to hire his friend, who was an ironworker, to come in and design a way to cantilever the entire house out over the cliff. the top floor is most of the living space, but there are rooms built into the cliff all the way down to the creek. officially the house is 4 stories tall but the bottom "floor" is just a small room with stairs and a door that leads near the creek.

But day 1 he started living out of a popup camper using an old tractor to winch beams out and over the ledge with a PTO farm crane.

He jackhammered out holes in the rock to anchor his house, set I beams into the granite and then cemented them in place.

it took him 3 years to finish but it's a bad ass house with an amazing view.

not for someone who can't handle stairs... but when he gets too old for stairs he can sell it for stupid money or rent it out as an air bnb.

bottom line is he got the land at a crazy cheap price and turned it into an insane property.

check out this youtube page for ideas on what kind of land you can get and for what kind of money.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCA1NT9ZkhBEZax4hjYHgF3Q

land is surprisingly cheap the further you get from the major cities.

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56peasants 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wow thats incredible I could live in a camper a few years we actually have a house in the city I plan to keep and rent out which may be abke to fund some of the project. You got me looking again I actually am eyeballing thus house on 10 acres and it needs a ton of work but if I kived on the property in a camper I could really get things done

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ThebigLMAOski17 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

fixing up an abandoned house is another great option, they are diamonds in the rough though.

if you have a home in the city already you've got plenty of capital to work with.

the very first thing i would do tomorrow morning is call your bank and ask them what they think you could sell your house for and how much would they offer you, and/or what kind of home loan could you get for that.

that will give you a baseline, and later you can call around and ask for better sale prices and better terms, more lending capitol to start a business...

that number might dictate what's best.

shit if you can work it where you can keep the passive income, and tough it out for the first year or so, you can build a property out slowly over time. it's exactly how our ancestors did when they settled this country.

i'm not suggesting you go build a palletwood treefort and live out of it for 5 years...

but this is why i like the idea of building an RV barn first. eventually you will want a cool barn next to your house anyway, so why not build the barn big enough for a dope fucking RV, live out of it, pimp that place out, then start building the house next door when you are ready (or finish converting the barn into a barndominium and sell the RV).

you eventually want the polebarn to be a little office/shop/hangout spot... you're gonna want a bathroom and a kitchen out there... even a very primitive one... why not start there to make RV living less shitty. easy first project to accomplish anytime of the year and lets you test all the systems to make sure it's all up and functional... water, power, sewer... all of it should be running fine by that stage

you could skip the RV all together if you had time but the RV is nice because day one you're living in an insulated home on wheels... you don't have to build or cobble together anything in order to be comfortable.

...and you're parking it inside a polebarn... so it's got a nice barrier from the wind and rain hugging it all year long.

anyway... it sounds like you have a lot more options than most people, you should be able to make this happen.

good luck man

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56peasants 2 points ago +2 / -0

The pole barn is an excellent idea actually. Can never have too much storage and it would be nice to have the extra barrier from the elements. I really do want to keep the house in in at least for a little while. If anything as a fall back. Ive gained alot from you thanks for taking the time to write all that. Have a great day and be safe out there! No shortage of psychos now a days

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ThebigLMAOski17 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

some container barn inspiration: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shipping+container+pole+barn&t=h_&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

if you have any more thoughts or questions i'm down.

get out while you still can.

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DairyBoy 2 points ago +2 / -0

Awesome post man, thanks for sharing.

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ThebigLMAOski17 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Happy to help