If you've ever been on a jury you might understand the dynamic. It isn't a jury of 12. It's a jury about about 3-5 ppl at most. The rest are followers that cannot think for themselves. I guarantee that one or more jurors got to the room and said something like. He's absolutely guilty, there is no way he isn't guilty. There is no way I'm voting not guilty. Then about 6-7 others realize they aren't going to get to leave any time soon if they don't agree. So they do. Then everyone else falls in line. People like to be agreeable. If no one on the jury had the balls (and they didn't) to speak up and risk speaking their minds about all the problems with the case. It gets voted on quickly and pushed through.
On appeal this should be tossed quickly. It really was a joke.
They convicted him to protect themselves and to get home. There is no way they could analyze the evidence in half a day.
If you watched the voir dire you knew that 9-10 of them already made their mind up on guilty before the trial started. There was at most 2 jurors who would vote not guilty. I'm sure at least one juror violated the no-news order from the judge and saw the defense witness who had his old house vandalized and saw no less than Congresspeople and the POTATUS demanding a guilty verdict.
Imagine the pressure you'd have to endure. You know if you're the one holdout the other jurors are going to leak your name and the fact that you were the holdout. You'll be doxxed and your life will be ruined. Even if BLM doesn't murder you, you'll be cancelled and branded a racist. You'll lose your job and be harassed everywhere. I knew from the get go that there was nobody that strong on the jury.
I think it was a HUGE miscalculation by Nelson (the defense attorney) to not waive a jury trial. There was never a chance in today's culture of 12 jurors finding the courage to acquit and if they weren't going to acquit the most likely outcome was all guilty because anything less would put the jurors at risk.
The judge probably would have convicted him too, but he at least would likely somewhat follow the law and there would be no chance of a murder 2 conviction. My guess is they knew Chauvin was fucked either way and were just hoping for a mistrial by jury taint or a shit jury giving grounds for appeal.
Poland is fucked though. Now that the US is controlled by China, Russia is going on a shopping spree to rebuild the USSR. Poland is going to get invaded by Russia while senile Biden diddles children and plays mario kart.
The one thing Reagan was right about was that there's nowhere else to go if America falls. Its the last bastion of freedom in the world.
The 2nd degree murder charge is egregious. Its a felony murder charge. Essentially someone died during the commission of a felony. So you have to prove a felony occurred. What was the felony here? It can't be the killing itself because then every death could be charged as 2nd degree murder. But he wasn't charged with anything besides homicide charges. So what was it? The judge said it was assault, but that's basically the same thing as the murder charges. It all stems from the same action (the knee).
But, the problem is the state didn't even seriously argue that the knee killed him. Their theory was the knee was okay at the outset, but Chauvin killed Floyd by not releasing the knee or performing first aid once he stopped breathing. So it wasn't actually an assault because the use of force was justified.
Chauvin was convicted of felony murder on a felony assault that he wasn't charged with and that the state didn't even allege occurred.
If he was convicted on the manslaughter (and possibly even the murder 3), that would be one thing, but the murder 2 charge is against the weight of the evidence and the judge should have immediately set aside that verdict. That charge at the very least should be easily overturned on appeal.
Half the jury was women, the other half male minorities, and you want common sense to come out of that arrangement? That's the same jury configuration the OJ Simpson trial had and we know how that went. For those who don't know, the bloody murder weapon was found on Simpson's property after Goldman plowed the house down.
MN names for homicides are dumb, no need to be rude. Not that big of a stretch for someone who wasn’t following it closely to not understand the difference.
For the OPs info, all three charges, murder 2, murder 3, and manslaughter are actually unintentional (but criminal) homicide.
Basically murder 2 (in Minnedishu) means that someone died as a result of a felony you committed. The underlying felony in this case was assault.
Murder 3 is like super duper manslaughter. The analogy I saw was firing a gun randomly in a crowd. So wreckless and dangerous you had to know it would probably kill someone.
Then the manslaughter charge was what most of us laymen would consider manslaughter - a death resulting from your own gross negligence.
I’m not sure how you can be charged and convicted of all three based off of one death, but they aren’t polar opposite charges like you would think of murder 2 being intentional “crime of passion” homicide and that being mutually exclusive with unintentional manslaughter.
Spez: Chauvin didn’t actually commit any of these but the jury didn’t watch the trial
If you've ever been on a jury you might understand the dynamic. It isn't a jury of 12. It's a jury about about 3-5 ppl at most. The rest are followers that cannot think for themselves. I guarantee that one or more jurors got to the room and said something like. He's absolutely guilty, there is no way he isn't guilty. There is no way I'm voting not guilty. Then about 6-7 others realize they aren't going to get to leave any time soon if they don't agree. So they do. Then everyone else falls in line. People like to be agreeable. If no one on the jury had the balls (and they didn't) to speak up and risk speaking their minds about all the problems with the case. It gets voted on quickly and pushed through.
On appeal this should be tossed quickly. It really was a joke.
They convicted him to protect themselves and to get home. There is no way they could analyze the evidence in half a day.
I don't understand why the jury isn't partitioned.
Which means if you think about it, you do understand.
Is he going to be allowed bail while he waits for the long drawn out appeal process ?
It’s more expensive to suicide someone out on bail. Hillary Clinton is not cheap
The price is at least one FedEx driver
The judge already revoked his bail.
It doesn’t look like it. That’s why they immediately put him in cuffs.
If you watched the voir dire you knew that 9-10 of them already made their mind up on guilty before the trial started. There was at most 2 jurors who would vote not guilty. I'm sure at least one juror violated the no-news order from the judge and saw the defense witness who had his old house vandalized and saw no less than Congresspeople and the POTATUS demanding a guilty verdict.
Imagine the pressure you'd have to endure. You know if you're the one holdout the other jurors are going to leak your name and the fact that you were the holdout. You'll be doxxed and your life will be ruined. Even if BLM doesn't murder you, you'll be cancelled and branded a racist. You'll lose your job and be harassed everywhere. I knew from the get go that there was nobody that strong on the jury.
I think it was a HUGE miscalculation by Nelson (the defense attorney) to not waive a jury trial. There was never a chance in today's culture of 12 jurors finding the courage to acquit and if they weren't going to acquit the most likely outcome was all guilty because anything less would put the jurors at risk.
The judge probably would have convicted him too, but he at least would likely somewhat follow the law and there would be no chance of a murder 2 conviction. My guess is they knew Chauvin was fucked either way and were just hoping for a mistrial by jury taint or a shit jury giving grounds for appeal.
Chauvin never had a chance of a fair trial. None of the charges were relevant to the circumstances.
If America didn’t die on November 4th...or January 6th... or January 20th, it definitely died today.
At this point, I hope Poland will take us Patriots as refugees.
Poland is fucked though. Now that the US is controlled by China, Russia is going on a shopping spree to rebuild the USSR. Poland is going to get invaded by Russia while senile Biden diddles children and plays mario kart.
The one thing Reagan was right about was that there's nowhere else to go if America falls. Its the last bastion of freedom in the world.
I mean, at this point, is Russia bad...?
In some ways yes, in some ways no.
The 2nd degree murder charge is egregious. Its a felony murder charge. Essentially someone died during the commission of a felony. So you have to prove a felony occurred. What was the felony here? It can't be the killing itself because then every death could be charged as 2nd degree murder. But he wasn't charged with anything besides homicide charges. So what was it? The judge said it was assault, but that's basically the same thing as the murder charges. It all stems from the same action (the knee).
But, the problem is the state didn't even seriously argue that the knee killed him. Their theory was the knee was okay at the outset, but Chauvin killed Floyd by not releasing the knee or performing first aid once he stopped breathing. So it wasn't actually an assault because the use of force was justified.
Chauvin was convicted of felony murder on a felony assault that he wasn't charged with and that the state didn't even allege occurred.
If he was convicted on the manslaughter (and possibly even the murder 3), that would be one thing, but the murder 2 charge is against the weight of the evidence and the judge should have immediately set aside that verdict. That charge at the very least should be easily overturned on appeal.
Half the jury was women, the other half male minorities, and you want common sense to come out of that arrangement? That's the same jury configuration the OJ Simpson trial had and we know how that went. For those who don't know, the bloody murder weapon was found on Simpson's property after Goldman plowed the house down.
Double plus guilty!
On the record, the plaintiff will have their cake and eat it too
MN names for homicides are dumb, no need to be rude. Not that big of a stretch for someone who wasn’t following it closely to not understand the difference.
For the OPs info, all three charges, murder 2, murder 3, and manslaughter are actually unintentional (but criminal) homicide.
Basically murder 2 (in Minnedishu) means that someone died as a result of a felony you committed. The underlying felony in this case was assault.
Murder 3 is like super duper manslaughter. The analogy I saw was firing a gun randomly in a crowd. So wreckless and dangerous you had to know it would probably kill someone.
Then the manslaughter charge was what most of us laymen would consider manslaughter - a death resulting from your own gross negligence.
I’m not sure how you can be charged and convicted of all three based off of one death, but they aren’t polar opposite charges like you would think of murder 2 being intentional “crime of passion” homicide and that being mutually exclusive with unintentional manslaughter.
Spez: Chauvin didn’t actually commit any of these but the jury didn’t watch the trial