What foregrip? I see a mag well but no foregrip. I’m not saying some libtard would claim you could hold the front, thus making it a foregrip, but you could do the same to an AR, or any firearm with a forward mag well, and no one has argued that’s a grip on an AR.
Though, I’ve never accused leftists of being rational...
Guns are nice but pretty obsolete. The real shit will be drones. That were you should focus. Programming, practicing with paint balls or whatever non-lethal available. No need for permits.
ISIS already used them successfully. The same with Israelis with Palestinians.
You can do unbelievable stuff with spy drones and armed drone formations and we are still basically at level of WWI biplanes with them.
Imagine 30 sting beetle like drones coming after you, each of a size of very small bird and real fast, aiming at your head or torso with a small cannon, shooting at you at very close range. You'll dead before you even manage to raise your nice AR-15.
The real shit will be drones. That were you should focus. Programming, practicing with paint balls or whatever non-lethal available.
Drones have their place, but if you're in the position of need to use them offensively you'll never be allowed to do so. The feds own the airwaves and will jam any areas of interest with ease.
If you want to focus on drones focus on anti-drone technologies and developing defenses against them.
No need for permits.
That depends. If you want a drone with any useful payload or useful range you're going to exceed hobbyist weights pushing you into FAA regulatory territory which will require you to get a license. I was into drones a few years before the FAA muscled into the game. The market was so vibrant and diverse. Huge cheap drones were available for sale. There was an active community working on developing civilian open source technologies for long range drone flights. After the FAA entered the game and the subsequent hysteria the news media drummed up over drones it became impossible to fly drones anywhere without being harassed about it. Even in empty parks the cops would drive by and tell you to beat it. So, I gave it up. Now when you look at the hobby shops the drone sections are a pittance of what they used to be. The big drones can be found, but they're a lot more expensive and rare.
Yeah, no off new to the poster above you but it's sort of like that "all you need is boot action sniper rifles" argument, which always ignores how snipers usually have spotters with automatic rifles.
Ahh so that's what happened. I recently looked into buying a drone to get back into the hobby and I noticed the selection of drones had reduced significantly. I remember several years ago all kinds of cool drone concepts and companies all over the market and now they are all gone.
Yeah, the FAA really came down the drone market by way of regulating how hobbyists could fly drones. Anything over a quarter of a kilogram, just over half a pound, requires a remote ID transmitter which means they have to be registered. For hobbyists, they have to take a safety course and test and carry proof. Can't operate above 400 ft. Have to notify local ATC if you're in a 5 mile radius of an airport. Must maintain line of sight.
That all put a halt to the more interesting stuff that was going on in the drone market pre-FAA involvement: remote piloting, long distance FPV, etc.
You can do it, but you'll have to acquire a remote pilot's certification from part 107.
So....I don't know what to say to this post. I'm an experienced personal drone pilot (race and otherwise). Unless you toss down some seriously expensive equipment at a VERY large scale, you can't carry crap with a drone. A bird sized drone (I'm thinking finch not condor) couldn't carry enough semtex to take out a kitten. There's no "cannon" option here. Maybe you could fly a tiny ass grenade through someone's window with a big one.
Example: My current camera drone (given, my 6" acro with a beefy battery could probably carry more but they're a pretty steep learning curve) has a 4 ounce payload. 4 ounces. And it's a nice ass drone. Not inspire level, but attainable.
Oh, also, unless you're blowing up the drone, you need stabilization to aim a "cannon". Well...a normal person would. We don't have military grade drones available to us with the millions of dollars of equipment and infrastructure you need to make them do anything. And if you could make a gun work on a consumer grade drone, it would have to be really small. That means light weight. That means close range. A stabilized drone is like 6 inches across minimum. That's "candy from a baby" territory with an AR15. I'll take my chances.
You may mean well, but consumer (and realistic) drones are not like the movies. No one is flying a DJI 4 feet above someone's head without people having to shout over the propellor noise, no matter what mission impossible may tell you.
Drone ARE the future but we've got a way to go before guns lose their place.
Drones aren't just the helo type running on turbines. Drones also include designs that use wings for lift and other types of propulsion like quick burn rockets. You can carry enough to kill with a properly designed wing surface, even using cheap quick burn rocket engines.
With proper tech you can relay information to other drones that aren't carrying video tech. So you can minimize payload by creating a hive system that separates it's senses and communicates rapidly.
In warfare you don't have to kill your enemy. Maiming is more effective against humans. Lasers can be installed to blind enemies from distance. Bright burning phosphorus can be added to small projectiles to burn and scar combatants and instill fear of drone tech for future use. Also, wounding just one person can take as many as 3 others out of the fight. 1 cheap drone (cheap by military standards) takes out 2-4 people and instills psychological trauma + fear; that's a steal.
Drones are something the modern military is going to have to deal with.
Yeah wing drones are nice. They're also pretty expensive and not super easy to fly. And sure, a theoretical mesh network of drones is possible. But damn son...that's seriously advanced stuff. Well beyond the capabilities of almost anyone. And yes, obviously taking someone out completely isn't necessary. BUT, the point was, the original post said guns were outdated. That's categorically false. Drones are not nothing. If I hit you with a camera drone or an airplane at max speed, I could definitely kill you. But that's $500 a pop. Bullets, even expensive ones, go really far and cost a buck.
Not easy to fly for a human. For a processing chip that can take 10,000 adjustments in the span of a second, not really.
$500 at Consumer prices. You're in a Civi mindset, not an "I can print free money" Overlord mindset. When you buy those parts in massive bulk military purchases it will bring it down considerably.
Even at $500 a pop that's a steal. The government looks at an enemy engagement on terms of time and resources versus return. If you can pay $2000 and knock out 4 crucial leaders on the enemies side that creates disorder, shuts down communication, and command structure that's much cheaper than losing a few soldiers who cost your $250,000 each to arm and train. This is why they like to measure the combat effectiveness of fighter jets 1:3 or 1:72 K/D ratio. How much do I have to pay to invade and control an area?
As you said, just attaching heavy sharp weights with wings a guidance system that a mothership drone or regular play could drop from the air is enough to kill most people. It doesn't have to be high-tech to work well.
We haven't even touched full concert Military Operations. There will be a time when all the appendages of war are connected and orchestrated like one being. Much like what can occur in a simulated battle environment or as we in the biz like to call "a video game."
Can you imagine fighting a complete total-war machine that has measured and tested the responses of millions of humans in near war-like interactions?
Look at the efficiency Google and Apply has crafted just watching our interactions via the internet and our phones. How efficient could a death dealer become with the same data?
What kind of bunny-hopping horrors would be unleashed if DoD decided to upload the best CounterStrike players search and destroy patterns into a back-flipping Boston Dynamics weapons platform?
.....wow this kind of went off the rails. And I agree with you. Everything eventually catches up to the technological capability with the exception of the majority of people's own ability to think. That always regresses.
I fully agree in the value of drones. I think that drone warfare is the future of warfare. And I think they're getting smarter and smarter and better and better all the time. I also don't think guns are going anywhere
It's like the "learn to code" argument.
Most people, no matter how easy it becomes, will not be effective drone pilots and cannot easily utilize drones either defensively or offensively. And that's end users. The stuff you're talking about, while definitely possible, requires a ton of talent and skill above and beyond your standard drone pilot. Im not disagreeing with the possibility though. Just that guns are easy, drones are not. That may (certainly will) change.
Drones good. Guns good. I like both and support freedom and research in both fields!
Off the rails? It seems like the intended course of conversation. The next step after "you don't need an AR-15 to hunt" is "you don't need a fleet of attack drones to hunt."
We both know the 2A is for defense against tyrannical government. So, yes; we do need fleets of privately owned weaponized drones to hunt. Hunt Tyrannical A$$holes bent on taking our God given rights and property.
Lest we forget. The fathers of this country owned and operated cannons, puckle-guns and Battleships; the highest and most deadly weapons of their day. They don't want us to own the equivalent of a Brown Bess; something no where near the same equivalent.
Our future/current weapons include pain+panic inducing sound waves, blinding + burning lasers, anti-gravitation transportation, visual/sound/radar/heat stealth, AI drone fleets, armored Anti-personnel robotic weapons platforms, self guided bullets, rail-guns, flexible body armor, power-suits...etc. These will not be available "for hunting" unless we ensure our 2A stays intact. If we don't our AR-15s won't be that effective.
Yes. I wouldn’t bother spending $1800+ on something that’s designed entirely to be a low recoil full auto weapon that’s been neutered to semi-auto. Rifles are different in that full auto 5.56 is kinda useless. Sad.
For about half of that, you can get a Kel-Tec RDB-S.
The only thing to watch out for is that there was a batch with short firing pins. If you get one and it gives you fail-to-fire errors, email Kel-Tec and they'll send you a replacement firing pin that is a half millimeter longer.
They make other versions. The -S survival model is super compact - the absolute minimum dimensions for sale as a regular rifle, and it weighs less than 6 pounds. The other versions are slightly larger and heavier and have things like longer barrels, pistol grips, accessory foregrips, etc.
on a gunday thread recommending kel-tecs? for real? they're like the exotic mall ninja knives that look great mounted next to your shuriken and anime posters, and then fall apart the second you actually use them.
I've put a few hundred rounds through mine with no problems. Most of the youtube reviews are of the "glowing" variety, for good reason.
I got mine as a trunk gun. I don't expect to ever use it that way, but if the need ever arises, I have no doubts about relying on it. I wasn't so sure at first, when it was doing light strikes on my milsurp ammo, but that turned out to be a known problem with the firing pin
I'm a volunteer RSO a few times a year at the local range, so whenever I'm working, I pull it out and empty the magazine into the steel plate at 100 yards. Ever since I replaced the firing pin, zero malfunctions.
Keltecs quality has significantly improved in recent years. The RDB and SU16 are extremely lightweight for their price range and they perform quite well.
that's a lot of tacticool dressing for the same basic gun i cc iwb. loud shit like that will get you shot at 50 yards while i'm right next to them ready to draw.
lil wayne said it best: real g's move in silence like lasagne
I was sold on these. I had plans of getting it SBR’d. Had a Glock 21 to match. It was a beautiful combination. Only problem is, couldn’t get the fucker to shoot bullets. Last time I checked, this was the point. Went back to the factory four times and after that, I just gave up and sold it.
The rounds would fall out of it in all different types of directions some would just tumble out of the ejector port, some would fly 5 feet to the right, others would fly 5 feet to the left. Gun is an absolute mess.
I got a zenith MP5 type pcc and love it. Now that is some smooth shooting.
All that said, congrats to the OP if you were having luck with that gun.
You can thank the ATF for that otherwise you have spend several hundred extra dollars paying the ATF to give you permission to buy one with a shorter barrel.
You were reeeeeing like a faggot. You literally reeeeeed so hard you had to type it out you little bitch. I made you reeeee hahahaha, what a little reeeeing bitch
There it is, but should be temporary. Saw a post here few days ago 100,000 rounds of 9mm went in 45 seconds online..
I was looking at getting a Kriss. Gen1’s had an issue with them blowing up but I understand they’ve fixed it. I went in to buy a Springfield saint and walked out with a Kimber carry II.
10 is highly supersonic, and it will never be silent. 45 can go subsonic without losing much hitting power. And it's the only round that has significant hitting power while subsonic. The rest all suck.
Holy fuckshitballs, that is SEXY!
Beautiful rod and reel ya got there.
Havent caught any fish yet but I heard the commies are biting out there
.45???
It's supposed to be a concealable smg. But gun laws being a thing means you either give them your thumbprint and money, or you get a long barrel.
You used to... then, god graced us with the "pistol brace."
And it was good
YES Siiiir!
While true, that foregrip means it's still an sbr
What foregrip? I see a mag well but no foregrip. I’m not saying some libtard would claim you could hold the front, thus making it a foregrip, but you could do the same to an AR, or any firearm with a forward mag well, and no one has argued that’s a grip on an AR.
Though, I’ve never accused leftists of being rational...
Not OPs... The comment I was replying to.
I’m confused. Haha. No worries, I’m sure we agree in principle
yea, looks like stealth technology
Yes
Guns are nice but pretty obsolete. The real shit will be drones. That were you should focus. Programming, practicing with paint balls or whatever non-lethal available. No need for permits.
ISIS already used them successfully. The same with Israelis with Palestinians.
You can do unbelievable stuff with spy drones and armed drone formations and we are still basically at level of WWI biplanes with them.
Imagine 30 sting beetle like drones coming after you, each of a size of very small bird and real fast, aiming at your head or torso with a small cannon, shooting at you at very close range. You'll dead before you even manage to raise your nice AR-15.
Drones have their place, but if you're in the position of need to use them offensively you'll never be allowed to do so. The feds own the airwaves and will jam any areas of interest with ease.
If you want to focus on drones focus on anti-drone technologies and developing defenses against them.
That depends. If you want a drone with any useful payload or useful range you're going to exceed hobbyist weights pushing you into FAA regulatory territory which will require you to get a license. I was into drones a few years before the FAA muscled into the game. The market was so vibrant and diverse. Huge cheap drones were available for sale. There was an active community working on developing civilian open source technologies for long range drone flights. After the FAA entered the game and the subsequent hysteria the news media drummed up over drones it became impossible to fly drones anywhere without being harassed about it. Even in empty parks the cops would drive by and tell you to beat it. So, I gave it up. Now when you look at the hobby shops the drone sections are a pittance of what they used to be. The big drones can be found, but they're a lot more expensive and rare.
Yeah, no off new to the poster above you but it's sort of like that "all you need is boot action sniper rifles" argument, which always ignores how snipers usually have spotters with automatic rifles.
Ahh so that's what happened. I recently looked into buying a drone to get back into the hobby and I noticed the selection of drones had reduced significantly. I remember several years ago all kinds of cool drone concepts and companies all over the market and now they are all gone.
Yeah, the FAA really came down the drone market by way of regulating how hobbyists could fly drones. Anything over a quarter of a kilogram, just over half a pound, requires a remote ID transmitter which means they have to be registered. For hobbyists, they have to take a safety course and test and carry proof. Can't operate above 400 ft. Have to notify local ATC if you're in a 5 mile radius of an airport. Must maintain line of sight.
That all put a halt to the more interesting stuff that was going on in the drone market pre-FAA involvement: remote piloting, long distance FPV, etc.
You can do it, but you'll have to acquire a remote pilot's certification from part 107.
shall not be infringed
Must be why the word is "arms".
On behalf of most of us, price is unfortunately a factor.
So....I don't know what to say to this post. I'm an experienced personal drone pilot (race and otherwise). Unless you toss down some seriously expensive equipment at a VERY large scale, you can't carry crap with a drone. A bird sized drone (I'm thinking finch not condor) couldn't carry enough semtex to take out a kitten. There's no "cannon" option here. Maybe you could fly a tiny ass grenade through someone's window with a big one.
Example: My current camera drone (given, my 6" acro with a beefy battery could probably carry more but they're a pretty steep learning curve) has a 4 ounce payload. 4 ounces. And it's a nice ass drone. Not inspire level, but attainable.
Oh, also, unless you're blowing up the drone, you need stabilization to aim a "cannon". Well...a normal person would. We don't have military grade drones available to us with the millions of dollars of equipment and infrastructure you need to make them do anything. And if you could make a gun work on a consumer grade drone, it would have to be really small. That means light weight. That means close range. A stabilized drone is like 6 inches across minimum. That's "candy from a baby" territory with an AR15. I'll take my chances.
You may mean well, but consumer (and realistic) drones are not like the movies. No one is flying a DJI 4 feet above someone's head without people having to shout over the propellor noise, no matter what mission impossible may tell you.
Drone ARE the future but we've got a way to go before guns lose their place.
Edit: Sweet Gun btw😉
Three things:
Drones aren't just the helo type running on turbines. Drones also include designs that use wings for lift and other types of propulsion like quick burn rockets. You can carry enough to kill with a properly designed wing surface, even using cheap quick burn rocket engines.
With proper tech you can relay information to other drones that aren't carrying video tech. So you can minimize payload by creating a hive system that separates it's senses and communicates rapidly.
In warfare you don't have to kill your enemy. Maiming is more effective against humans. Lasers can be installed to blind enemies from distance. Bright burning phosphorus can be added to small projectiles to burn and scar combatants and instill fear of drone tech for future use. Also, wounding just one person can take as many as 3 others out of the fight. 1 cheap drone (cheap by military standards) takes out 2-4 people and instills psychological trauma + fear; that's a steal.
Drones are something the modern military is going to have to deal with.
Yeah wing drones are nice. They're also pretty expensive and not super easy to fly. And sure, a theoretical mesh network of drones is possible. But damn son...that's seriously advanced stuff. Well beyond the capabilities of almost anyone. And yes, obviously taking someone out completely isn't necessary. BUT, the point was, the original post said guns were outdated. That's categorically false. Drones are not nothing. If I hit you with a camera drone or an airplane at max speed, I could definitely kill you. But that's $500 a pop. Bullets, even expensive ones, go really far and cost a buck.
Not easy to fly for a human. For a processing chip that can take 10,000 adjustments in the span of a second, not really.
$500 at Consumer prices. You're in a Civi mindset, not an "I can print free money" Overlord mindset. When you buy those parts in massive bulk military purchases it will bring it down considerably.
Even at $500 a pop that's a steal. The government looks at an enemy engagement on terms of time and resources versus return. If you can pay $2000 and knock out 4 crucial leaders on the enemies side that creates disorder, shuts down communication, and command structure that's much cheaper than losing a few soldiers who cost your $250,000 each to arm and train. This is why they like to measure the combat effectiveness of fighter jets 1:3 or 1:72 K/D ratio. How much do I have to pay to invade and control an area?
As you said, just attaching heavy sharp weights with wings a guidance system that a mothership drone or regular play could drop from the air is enough to kill most people. It doesn't have to be high-tech to work well.
Got another thought for you, SleepWoker.
We haven't even touched full concert Military Operations. There will be a time when all the appendages of war are connected and orchestrated like one being. Much like what can occur in a simulated battle environment or as we in the biz like to call "a video game."
Can you imagine fighting a complete total-war machine that has measured and tested the responses of millions of humans in near war-like interactions?
Look at the efficiency Google and Apply has crafted just watching our interactions via the internet and our phones. How efficient could a death dealer become with the same data?
What kind of bunny-hopping horrors would be unleashed if DoD decided to upload the best CounterStrike players search and destroy patterns into a back-flipping Boston Dynamics weapons platform?
.....wow this kind of went off the rails. And I agree with you. Everything eventually catches up to the technological capability with the exception of the majority of people's own ability to think. That always regresses.
I fully agree in the value of drones. I think that drone warfare is the future of warfare. And I think they're getting smarter and smarter and better and better all the time. I also don't think guns are going anywhere
It's like the "learn to code" argument. Most people, no matter how easy it becomes, will not be effective drone pilots and cannot easily utilize drones either defensively or offensively. And that's end users. The stuff you're talking about, while definitely possible, requires a ton of talent and skill above and beyond your standard drone pilot. Im not disagreeing with the possibility though. Just that guns are easy, drones are not. That may (certainly will) change.
Drones good. Guns good. I like both and support freedom and research in both fields!
Off the rails? It seems like the intended course of conversation. The next step after "you don't need an AR-15 to hunt" is "you don't need a fleet of attack drones to hunt."
We both know the 2A is for defense against tyrannical government. So, yes; we do need fleets of privately owned weaponized drones to hunt. Hunt Tyrannical A$$holes bent on taking our God given rights and property.
Lest we forget. The fathers of this country owned and operated cannons, puckle-guns and Battleships; the highest and most deadly weapons of their day. They don't want us to own the equivalent of a Brown Bess; something no where near the same equivalent.
Our future/current weapons include pain+panic inducing sound waves, blinding + burning lasers, anti-gravitation transportation, visual/sound/radar/heat stealth, AI drone fleets, armored Anti-personnel robotic weapons platforms, self guided bullets, rail-guns, flexible body armor, power-suits...etc. These will not be available "for hunting" unless we ensure our 2A stays intact. If we don't our AR-15s won't be that effective.
Just get a big net and catch the drones like spongebob jellyfish hunting
In .45? Next you are going to tell me you are going too shoot a stack of plywood targets.
Damn... That ain't yo dady's 1911!
Or I guess I could just say my 1911 as I F'n love my boomer cannon.
That was a fine piece, until your dog ate it along with your kids homework...
Crunchy
Duuuude I've wanted a vector since it came out
Cool piece. I'd never seen a Kriss longer than 6".
Can they be modified post-purchase? Asking for a friend
If we weren't taken over by Marxists the 10mm iteration of that would be one of my home defense weapons.
Since we are, it's not? I don't understand.
Yes. I wouldn’t bother spending $1800+ on something that’s designed entirely to be a low recoil full auto weapon that’s been neutered to semi-auto. Rifles are different in that full auto 5.56 is kinda useless. Sad.
Beast. That’s a beast. Of the “fuck around and find out” variety. Magnificent specimen.
I bet you can control where those go with some serious accuracy. Nice!
What's the fair market value?
Tree Fiddy
too much! or did you mean the jogger market?
Legit market. Do joggers get a five-finger discount in their black market?
weapons with bodies on them are traditionally 70% off full market value.
I thought black market guns were more expensive than retail
$2500
Wow they were 1400 pre rona. Zpaps are now 1300
Hmm... not bad. Will get around to cashing my stimmy check this week and then do some shopping. Thanks, fren
A CZ Scorpion is also a pretty fun gun
For about half of that, you can get a Kel-Tec RDB-S.
The only thing to watch out for is that there was a batch with short firing pins. If you get one and it gives you fail-to-fire errors, email Kel-Tec and they'll send you a replacement firing pin that is a half millimeter longer.
They make other versions. The -S survival model is super compact - the absolute minimum dimensions for sale as a regular rifle, and it weighs less than 6 pounds. The other versions are slightly larger and heavier and have things like longer barrels, pistol grips, accessory foregrips, etc.
on a gunday thread recommending kel-tecs? for real? they're like the exotic mall ninja knives that look great mounted next to your shuriken and anime posters, and then fall apart the second you actually use them.
I've put a few hundred rounds through mine with no problems. Most of the youtube reviews are of the "glowing" variety, for good reason.
I got mine as a trunk gun. I don't expect to ever use it that way, but if the need ever arises, I have no doubts about relying on it. I wasn't so sure at first, when it was doing light strikes on my milsurp ammo, but that turned out to be a known problem with the firing pin
I'm a volunteer RSO a few times a year at the local range, so whenever I'm working, I pull it out and empty the magazine into the steel plate at 100 yards. Ever since I replaced the firing pin, zero malfunctions.
Keltecs quality has significantly improved in recent years. The RDB and SU16 are extremely lightweight for their price range and they perform quite well.
I'm jealous.
M249's are only $9k
How do you like it? Is it worth the price?
NOPE
Funny how the people don’t have one are commenting on whether it’s worth it lmao, it’s definitely worth it. One of the best guns I have in my safes
right. I might have to take a look. There is a dealer on the way to where I'm moving in a few months.
What's the model?
Oh yeah, this is the cream of the crop for close quarters killing
Fenneck from Warzone.
KRISS Vector
Right - referring to the fake "game" name.
What is this called?
Kriss Vector
Shot that for first time a couple days ago, a dream come true😍
that's a lot of tacticool dressing for the same basic gun i cc iwb. loud shit like that will get you shot at 50 yards while i'm right next to them ready to draw.
lil wayne said it best: real g's move in silence like lasagne
I was sold on these. I had plans of getting it SBR’d. Had a Glock 21 to match. It was a beautiful combination. Only problem is, couldn’t get the fucker to shoot bullets. Last time I checked, this was the point. Went back to the factory four times and after that, I just gave up and sold it.
The rounds would fall out of it in all different types of directions some would just tumble out of the ejector port, some would fly 5 feet to the right, others would fly 5 feet to the left. Gun is an absolute mess.
I got a zenith MP5 type pcc and love it. Now that is some smooth shooting.
All that said, congrats to the OP if you were having luck with that gun.
The 9mm had problems in the gen 1. I dont think the 45 had many issues
mine was Gen 1 .45 acp.
I don't understand. If it's going to be that length it may as well be a carbine?
You can thank the ATF for that otherwise you have spend several hundred extra dollars paying the ATF to give you permission to buy one with a shorter barrel.
I live in California. Am I breaking the law by looking at this picture?
'Bout time you sawed that barrel down.
Is there any form to make it automatic as well? That’s the whole point of the vector as far as I understand
This must be one of those mythical ghost guns I've been hearing about.
daaamn...
i want that to be my first gun
A long barrel kriss will never be more than a range toy. Being long defeats it's purpose.
Thanks for your input handshake douche.
Wow, my comment actually made you reeeeee, you probably need mental help.
You were reeeeeing like a faggot. You literally reeeeeed so hard you had to type it out you little bitch. I made you reeeee hahahaha, what a little reeeeing bitch
Have fun locating that ammunition for a reasonable price lmao
There it is, but should be temporary. Saw a post here few days ago 100,000 rounds of 9mm went in 45 seconds online..
I was looking at getting a Kriss. Gen1’s had an issue with them blowing up but I understand they’ve fixed it. I went in to buy a Springfield saint and walked out with a Kimber carry II.
Oh the choices..
This is true.
45 can be silenced.
10 is highly supersonic, and it will never be silent. 45 can go subsonic without losing much hitting power. And it's the only round that has significant hitting power while subsonic. The rest all suck.
You know it sucks?
Apparently its an easy barrel swap
I will never be pro-posting our artillery. Why not just box all of it up and hand deliver it to the cucks then?
Shameful
Stop being fearful of the big bad alphabet faggots, you cuck.
I got your fearful right here fuckboy!! Come get you some and get your head emptied
fuckboi ~ ftfy lol