Hey frens! My wife and I just had our first son and he's almost 2 months old. He's supposed to get his first "jabs" next week and we've decided to delay or not vaccinate at all.
Just looking for advice for how to best go about that conversation with the doctor. We've done a lot of research and are very informed but I'm just looking for info from others who have already had this talk with their pediatrician.
We really like the doctor overall, but are definitely anticipating some pushback over our choice not to poison our baby boy. Thanks pedes!
Honestly choosing not to vaccinate with the vaccines that have been used for decades is a different thing that choosing not to use an experimental vaccine with no long term studies. I'm not sure how much help there will be here for choosing not to do things like tetanus or polio vaccines.
Agreed, we do an extended schedule and only allow one shot per visit with a minimum of a month between shots. I have to take the kids to the Dr. more often but I have an opportunity to guage behaviour and affect better after each shot. Also, it's a no for us on the experimental crap or anything not necessary, like flu shots.
This is true, but the new experimental vaccines are part of what opened my eyes to the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry and their collusion with the CDC and our government. They have a captive audience and essentially a money printing machine, regardless of the negative effects these childhood shots have on our children.
I guess I'm just looking for advice on how to tell the doctor kindly to fuck off, but in a diplomatic way where he would still keep us as a patient.
Just say no and say it goes against your beliefs/religion if they press. Up to them if they will keep you as a patient. We had to find a different doctor because the 1st doc only takes vaxxed kids. No problem, he told us which doctor nearby was cool with it. No reason to take your kids unless they are actually very sick or get an injury, etc anyway. You'll find out quickly its a waste of time and money and its mainly about keeping kids on a vax schedule.
+1 for no vax at all. Once you do you'll never look back at that toxic medical insanity. Your kids will be blessed by your courageous decision.
I'm saying this from a family that had a lot of seemingly vaccine related immune problems and "new" childhood diseases, also a few autistic kids, and this was decades ago when there was only 1/5th the amount of vaccines. F that noise all together. Nobody gets polio without getting the polio vax anyway.
Thanks so much for making me not feel like a kook! It's amazing how strong the programming is that whenever you mention not vaccinating your child, they view you as doing irreparable harm to them and that you're an awful monster for even questioning it.
What makes it all the more frustrating is that this comes from people who have done ZERO research into the topic, yet are lecturing me who has been reading books, medical journals, and listening to independent doctors for well over a year now.
Do you homeschool your kids now? Was it difficult to find a doctor who was cool with your no-vax stance? We're in Florida where you would think it would be easier but the pro-vax shit is very strong here.
It wasn't too hard to find one. I'm in a really deep blue area too. Like I said the first doc said "nope" but he told us another doc down the road would be cool (and he was). We haven't taken kids to the doc since corona and won't be unless absolutely necessary.
We will be homeschooling but they aren't quite old enough yet. I'm sure you're aware already that if you decide "nope on vax" your options besides homeschooling are likely to be increasingly limited or null. We think it's the best anyway and luckily our careers make it a possibility.
That's great, I'm glad to hear they had a recommendation for you who was cool with it. We didn't interview this pediatrician in person, but when we called to inquire and asked about him allowing no vaccination the office staff said that yes he was OK with it. I've gotten a different vibe in the few visits leading up to this 2 month one though so I'm just trying to be prepared for being told to hit the bricks.
Yes, we are planning to homeschool as well but thankfully have several years yet to get that all figured out. I work fully remote in the IT field and I am hoping to have my wife be a stay at home mom permanently, provided she doesn't get the itch to go back to work. I don't think she will though, she just loves being around our boy so much and I don't think that will change as he gets older!
With all the illegals crossing the border I wouldn’t delay your kid’s vaccines. You’re putting their health at risk over your superstition. Both my kids had all their childhood vaccines, and they both were very bright and at the top of their classes.
But hey, if you don’t mind possibly causing permanent damage to your kid, then go for it. That’s the beauty of living in a free country.
That's the issue I'm having though. I don't trust the government one bit and after doing a ton of research into the CDC childhood schedule, it just doesn't make sense for most things and there has been ZERO studies done to prove that it is safe, effective, or even that the individual vaccines are safe to be taking together.
Tomorrow they plan to give him 8 different vaccines in 3 shots. The amount of aluminum in the one combo shot (5 in one) is 850 micrograms which is far more than the FDA says is safe for a baby (as if any amount of aluminum is safe).
The other issue is that they only offer combo vaccines for the ones you would actually want, like measles. There is literally no measles-only vaccine option, only the MMR combo which has strong ties to autism.
I appreciate your viewpoint but after all the research I've done I respectfully disagree that the cost/benefit is worth chancing my boy's development over.
you won't change your doctor's mind. find a doctor who is cool with no vax. never take a healthy child to the doctor.
Just say no, then homeschool
Yup that's what we are going to do. My wife is a 4th grade special needs teacher at a public school and there's no one I'd rather have to teach my kids than her. She's also been hugely red pilled over this last year after having seen the "remote learning" disaster and all the bullshit these poor kids have been put through.
Not offering medical advice, but the “gab and stab” process can be spread out, but doctors don’t want to. The belief is to inject the kids with everything at once because parents “might not come back” just be reasonable and spread out over 3-4 visits. Yes, they will push back but just lay out the plan. You can be the reasonable one here. You can also pick and choose. It’s not all or nothing.
Just tell the doctor you aren't doing it. If they have a problem with it they can refer you to another doctor nearby that's cool with it.
All the healthiest kids are unvaxxed. You won't regret that decision and it will easily be worth jumping through a few hoops in life. There's no good argument for any childhood vaccines besides possibly tetanus. But tetanus can be treated if necessary so you might as well skip that vax for the kids too.
Thanks, yeah that's what the plan is and I've been reading a lot from Paul Thomas who recently had his medical license suspended after publishing the first and only vaxxed vs unvaxxed study. It showed that the unvaxxed kids have FAR less office visits for childhood ailments and way lower allergies, ADHD, etc.
We are just concerned parents who want to do whatever humanly possible to prevent our boy from being damaged unnecessarily. People are so careful about everything else when it comes to their children, yet they completely overlook the adverse effects of the CDC childhood vaccine schedule.
Godspeed. You are not alone, even though "they" want you to think you are.
They may attempt to shame you but if you've informed yourselves and feel comfortable with your choice it's none of their business and not their child.
Remind the doc he/she took an Oath to Do No Harm. Remind the doc the CDC and FDA have not authorized any of the treatments offered up as vaccines. Remind the doc there are NO, zero actual vaccines available, that the experimental gene therapies are not by definition vaccines and that none of them passed trials, Humans ARE the trials. Remind the doc every trial animal died after being subjected to the trials.
Remind the doc of the Nuremburg Code and of Informed Consent. Remind the doc that the VAERs data suggests the various drug therapies offered up as these false 'vaccines' are killing people, causing long term effects and that the chinese flu is morphing so fast none of the offered drugs are effective.
Remind the doc that we are now discovering 'vaccine shedders' are causing more harm to Society than is the actual chinese flu, and ask him/her why the regular seasonal flus disappeared...?
Smile and simply say 'no thanks'. I have not had such a talk with doctors, just saying. My Wife's doctor was involved in trials, she asked him and he did take a shot of 'something', asked why he said he didn't know except he trusted science. She asked him WHAT science and he admitted he would not take it today, knowing what we now know.
Don't let them kill your Baby.
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if you have to ask internet strangers, then you already have your answer........DONT DO IT!!!!!
If your doctor doesn't respect your personal choices keep searching for doctors.
@echounafraid talks about this on her stories all the time. You may find community there.
Thanks, going to look them up now!
Congrats to you for being hero parents to your child.
As far as advice goes, just be honest with your doctor, and tell them it is your choice to not vaccinate, or selectively vaccinate. Thank them for their sales pitch. After this exchange, you'll find out if you need to seek a new doctor.
FYI: healthy babies do not need to go to the doctor. "Well Baby" visits are just opportunities for more jabs... which are the opposite of being well.
Thank you fren for the great advice! This was pretty much our plan and it's nice to hear that there are others who agree with our approach. I know it's anecdotal, but my sister's baby seems to get runny nose/cough sickness a lot for being only 1 year old now. It's early for our boy since he's only 2 months, but I'm very interested to see how he compares to her baby as far as getting sick goes.
I guess it makes sense though from a dark perspective, get them in for their shots often, they'll get sick more often, more office visits and more $$$ for the doctors. Rinse and repeat for thousands upon thousands of children...
We have 3 kids, youngest is in High School. Zero vaxx for all 3. No allergies, zero ear infections. Sure they got random flu, colds, but it was always quick recovery.
Probably also had something to do with the fact they were not raised on fruit loops and juice boxes.
Nobody talks about how childhood vaccines are NOT tested for safety, as they are used, with multiple doses of different kinds at the same time. "Safety Testing" is the same fuckery as with the covid vaxx, the companies do their own tests, and slant them to their benefit.
That's great, and they're lucky kids to have you as parents.
Where do you guys live? It sounds like your kids are in public school, if so did you have to do the personal/religious exemption?
It's amazing how little people know about childhood vaccines, and like most things, it seems the most "educated" ones are the most oblivious. It's just like everything where the propaganda and messaging is so strong that most people just have no idea.
Michigan. We did a mix of homeschool then public high school.
You really have to do your homework. All our schools say it is required, but they never talk about exemptions. Over the years the state makes it harder for the personal exemption... but its still possible here.
Ah ok, we're in Florida and there is no personal exemption option so we'll be going with the religious exemption.
One silver lining of this last year+ is the huge number of people choosing to homeschool after seeing the absolute disaster that is the public school system on full display.
By the time our boy is old enough I'm hopeful that there will be even more little communities in our area for homeschooling. My wife is a 4th grade special needs teacher and she's taken a leave of absence to raise our son. She would love to homeschool little "pods" of kids so fingers crossed we can make that a reality.
Yeah, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the massive amount of local groups and resources around you. Also I was surprised at the number of free programs the local library put on.
Its a little like raising a kid... seems overwhelming at first, but you keep at it, and soon you're an expert :-)
Thanks for the encouragement man! I'm only 2 months in but already feel I have the hang of things much more than when we first had him haha. I never wanted kids until I met my awesome wife, and now I can't imagine life without him. Such an awesome feeling to be a dad! Take care!
Wait until the kid is at least 6 months old. Also breast feed as much as you can cause that is natural vaccines.
My wife is extremely healthy she is exclusively breastfeeding our son and he is progressing perfectly. No way we're going to introduce some unknown chemicals and toxins into his system this young!
Perfect
I say “can you print out information on each vaccine he/she needs and we will take it home to review and decide which we want.”
The hepatitis B I don’t see why a baby needs... it’s a sexually transmitted disease.
Great idea, and I'm really curious to see what he provides as far as documentation. It's crazy that on their website they only list one vaccine by name, Pediarix (DTaP, Hep B, and Polio), and just Rotavirus and HiB for the other two they plan to give him tomorrow.
So I can look up Pediarix but no way to know which Rotavirus and HiB shots they use. Doesn't really matter since we're not allowing him to do it, but one would think the actual vaccine names would be important for parents to know.
Oh, and the Hep B thing is insanity. Neither of us have it so there is ZERO risk of our boy getting it. We declined everything at the hospital and I thought oh ok so maybe he won't get the Hep B shot and then I saw they bundle it in with the Pediarix cocktail. Disgusting
Be very careful with this. Depending on what state you live in, your child could be prevented from attending school, and DCS or CPS could become involved if you don't have religious reasons for avoiding vaccination. My advice is to vaccinate your child on an extended schedule. You're much more likely to cause your kid harm by exposing them to heavy metals in water and regular baby foods than your are to hurt them with vaccines. Good luck whatever you decide.
Thanks! We plan to get the religious exemption from the health department, but haven't yet since he's not anywhere close to school age.
I'm not anti VAX but I anti early VAX. I was vaccinated with the typical MMR and stuff but not till I was like 5 or something. Its your choice but if it were me I would delay the standard ones for a bit and 100% stay away from this mRNA gene therapy.
Yes absolutely, there is no reason at all for introducing all of the extra risk that comes along with vaccinating these children so young. From the research it seems like even just delaying a year makes a huge difference since their little immune systems are that much more able to handle the shock that comes with the vaccines. I just wish that they offered a measles-only MMR shot, because mumps and rubella are not really anything to worry about in this day and age...
Me and my wife had no idea about vaccines before our children, we just trusted the idea that they are all great and benefited everyone. We did our research and watch tons of documentaries and read literature. The thing that stopped me in my tracks was that there has never been a formal study done to compare the overall health of someone who has received all their vaccines compared to someone who hasn’t received any. Why? I think you know why. Our children havent had any and they are perfectly healthy at 1 and 3 years old. Never had more than a runny nose. We found a doctor that wasn’t about pushing vaccines, now they don’t even ask us if we want them. All I can say is its ultimately your choice but please do your research.
My wife and I are the same exact story. The lack of a vaxxed vs non-vaxxed study is a giant glaring issue that most people have no idea of. In the same vein, there haven't even been studies to see how vaccines interact with each other. So at these visits where they give 2+ "jabs" at once, there's literally no data on what the possible effects might be.
I've been following Dr. Paul Thomas for a while now and he did the study you are referring to, it's fascinating and the only one that I know of that is peer reviewed and published: https://www.doctorsandscience.com/uploads/1/3/5/8/135856265/published_jlw_pt_article_.pdf
It was so good that the Oregon medical board issued an emergency suspension of his license after it was published. Oh and that was after they had previously requested the study he produced and he delivered. Nothing fishy there right?
I'm so glad to hear that your kids are doing great and I'm sure they will continue to. Thanks for sharing your story, my wife and I appreciate it!
Look up Del Bigtree also.
The doctors will typically take the stance of "all or none." This tactic tends to force people to forego all vaccinations when they might actually want certain ones.
It will take significant work on your part to find a doctor that is willing to give some vaccinations but not others.
My doctors have always respected that I only choose some. I’ve never been made to feel odd for just choosing a few. Maybe I have been lucky.
All four of my children were never vaccinated and they are grown and healthy. It is a family decision. The types of vaccines administered in the 1960s (when I got my booster shots) is totally different from the chemical cocktail injected these days.
Some children will see no immediate effect. Some will get sick for a few days. A rare few will die. Other children will have onset of health issues the rest of their lives or other issues still unknown or NOT yet linked to vaccines.
And all this is from the vaccines that have been in use for decades. That is why there is a payout scheme to cover the costs of random health issues and death.
It's a roll of the dice that you make as a family. And nobody else.
Very true. It's crazy that today's vaccines are considered even remotely the same as the limited ones given pre-1986. But hell, even those had crazy side effects and recalls (whole cell pertussus TDAP for example) once they realized too many kids were having terrible reactions.
I do hope that more people realize how crazy it is to unquestioningly go along with today's CDC "recommendations" now that they've seen how hastily these covid shots have been brought to market. Everyone should be thinking twice about the safety of these barely-tested shots.
The long standing vaccines we all grew up with are probably ok, just not all at once. Kids now get dozens of vaccines, several at a time. When I was young we got just a handful one at a time.
I guess the bottoms line is that you can’t un-get a shot. As the parent you should have the final say.
I have lost faith in ALL vaccines because of the insistence by health pros that we take this one.
I've heard some places will actually send Child Protective Services after you if you don't get your kid's the shot they think they need.
It's getting to be a scary world.
It's sad, but I try to look on the bright side with all things Rona in that there are WAY more people awake now to the corruption and tyranny of the US government. Not sure how that will change the trajectory, but the more people realize the government is not there to help you, the better.
Keep setting up appointments and don't show up for them, is the best way.
You know, I was thinking about doing this but figured we might as well go and have "the talk" first to see if he'll decide to kick us out or not.
It's crazy how these "well baby visits" are really just vaccine shot visits. I see no need to bring my son to the doctor all the time if he's healthy and developing normally.
who says you have to bring your kids? Doctors aren't your boss and neither is the CDC
Lol. Don’t take that stupid advice.
Doctors will still bill you for missed appointments, or any appointment canceled with less than 24 hours notice. You can play that game but you’ll pay for the privilege.
Never ever tell them the truth. Just take them for a ride.
One more thing as your doctor gets sick of you not showing, tell the office your changing doctors.