Not only do employees have no skin in the game, they also have the advantage of getting paid before the employers they work for are able to, if possible, profit from the products of their labor. Its not like an employer can retroactively take money from previous paychecks to match what their performance in the present market was.
as a kid my parents ran there own business. When I was in in high school I had a teacher that organized trips to Europe for the kids that had rich parents. I said to one of the students. I wish I could afford to go. The other kid looked at me and said "your dad owns his own business. I had to inform the person my dad also needs to make payroll every month and that the reality was that my dads employees had more money then he did. when I was a kid there was some real lean years where my parents barely made it. at one point they had to barrow money for food from my grand parents. you can have a million dollar business and end up living like paupers becouse all you have is cash flow not profits.
Fucking retards think if you're worth a million dollars that you literally have a million dollars cash just laying around, like Scrooge McDuck and his treasure vault. Most millionaires I know barely lead a middle class lifestyle.
I'm more saying even with 1M in straight cash that doesn't pay you that much. Few employees really understand how much revenue they all need to generate to get paid what they do. Taxes, benefits, a HR dept, Accounting, the capital equipment and facilities all add up too a lot.
I find it interesting how his perspective has changed a little since that failed venture. It’s almost as if he learned a little something, not enough to break the programming obviously, but enough to understand that starting a business IS value and risk.
It is essentially always like that starting a business from scratch.
A huge amount of businesses are failing in the first 1-3 years. Always was this way.
Socialist employees when a business is successful: "I only make a tiny fraction of what the owner makes despite being responsible for only a tiny fraction of what the business takes in. That's not fair! I, as one of hundreds or thousands of easily replaceable employees performing tasks that could be completed by a trained monkey, deserve to make as much as the owner who built this entire enterprise from the ground up working all day every day because the business is his baby, because I'm like just as important or some shit."
Socialist employees when the business fails: "Oh, the business went under in no small part due to my shitty bare-minimum work ethic, and now the owner has lost everything including his home and all his savings? Sucks to be him. I'm still getting my last paycheck, right? How long do you figure before I can start collected unemployment? Also, can I use you as a reference for my next job?"
And the same people demand “a living wage” for entry level jobs. It’s the company’s fault when the socialist employee never gets past entry level by bettering themselves or taking on more responsibility too.
Every single person I've hired wants to take over the vision of the company and reroute to their project. I've gotten to where I just say "Ok, learn the tech, bring me a concept and we'll talk about it", and they never do. They want me to do all the work.
I'm in a creative field too and I always deliver exactly what my clients want. Sometimes I'll suggest routes for them to take based on my experience and if they need the advice, but I always allow the final decision to rest in their court, as it should.
Conservative-minded creatives use their skills and experience to inform and guide their companies, clients, and colleagues. Leftists think their way is the only way, or the way that should be prioritized.
Exactly. The "greedy business owners" narrative is commie propaganda straight from the Soviets. They have successfully convinced the useful idiots that businesses should only exist to benefit their employees. I've frequently seen leftist idiots arguing that businesses and landlords should not even earn a profit. It never occurs to the pea brained fucktards that if there were no profit involved then no one would risk investment in business or property. The irony is that if you gave these shit bag losers a business or property they would operate them just like everyone else does; to make a profit.
Unfortunately this communist narrative has proliferated and there are far too many useful idiots out there who have accept it as undeniable truth. They are hell bent on learning the hard way, and hell is what they will get.
They want doctors to go school for 10 yrs and give them top notch healthcare while earning 12 bucks an hour. The left is not only insane, they are the dumbest fucking people you will ever meet. They are never happy, which is why we should stop trying to even find common ground. Fuck em
They're greedy and envious people, plain and simple. They think they're entitled to what others have and what others can produce; that the entire world should bend over to provide for them while they produce nothing of value whatsoever.
Then they take it a step further and actually destroy peoples businesses or reputations via riots or cancel culture doxxing. I seriously hate these fucking leftists and wish someone would start exterminating them. It is the only thing that will stop them.
They also seem to have forgotten that poverty was the norm for tens of thousands of years for 99% of the worlds population. Couple centuries of capitalism and suddenly free healthcare, ubi and WiFi are the bare necessities,
RIGHTS they call them. Lord help them.
I got into an argument with a commie retard not long ago who insisted that investors expecting a return on their investments was evil and everything wrong with society, and that people who put up millions or tens of millions of dollars funding a project weren't entitled to any say in the progress or development of that project.
It's like, where do these smoothbrains think funding comes from? Would THEY be willing to sink their fortunes into some studio and then just sit back twiddling their thumbs without saying a word as it fails to deliver the agreed upon product within the agreed upon time? No, of course not. If these fuckers invested $10 in something and it looked like they were going to lose so much as a dollar of what they put in, they'd be first in line demanding their money back.
“convinced the useful idiots”…so then the ACTUAL issue is people being useful idiots… We can talk all day about the media and narratives but the issue are people being gullible. Why do people focus on the media? Focus on the useful idiot
The useful idiots don't come up with this by themselves; they are fed this shit by the misleadia and other propaganda sources, then they regurgitate it to each other on social media. If we could weed leftism out of our education system and the misleadia then we wouldn't have the useful idiot problem.
The damage has already been done though, so it's a moot point. The useful idiots are already demoralized and are convinced that abolishing capitalism is the answer, and nothing is going to change their minds.
You’re looking at the issue without taking into account personal responsibility. How come we can block out the media but other people can’t? The answer is the media argument negates what we as individuals choose to do with the information. So no, it’s not the media’s fault. It’s the idiot CHOOSING to intake the information instead of reasoning.
What’s wrong with number 3? If my employee truly thinks he can raise the capital to strike out on his own and deliver a better product, who am I to stop him?
Yeah, I wanted to say the same thing. If someone learns the trade from you why should you be butthurt that they start their own business? You should be proud of them.
An example: If you're in a small country town. And you're the only plumber. And your apprentice strikes out on his own when qualified--there's goes half of your income. That's less for you, your wife and kids. You employed your own demise. [Solution" Make your SON the apprentice]
Employee turn over is inevitable and should be considered within the budget and prepared for.
It's like knowing to have money saved back because you know one day you are going to need new tires.
Like employees are supposed to utilize employers to gain capital and skill in order to have their own employees one day or create and produce something for themselves one day.
That is literally how the cycle works. It should be anticipated.
Exactly this. It's about creating value. If you were bleeding out from a bad wound, you would be pissed if the ER doctor told you he was a good person and a really nice guy instead of FIXING THE DAMN PROBLEM.
I don’t want to seem like I’m taking sides but many shares now in the stock market for instance are non-voting. So essentially it’s as worthless as Bitcoin.
Non voting shares are usually “preferred stock” which pays out a higher dividend. Those are usually reserved for insiders for whom voting stock would be a conflict of interest. “Common stock” is almost always what you and I will get and yes, those almost always have voting rights. Problem is you and I can’t make all the shareholder meetings so our stock gets proxied.
Even more common however is mutual funds which your stock ownership is abstracted and managed by someone else for a “small” fee.
Not at all. The sock represents a business....which has assets and a business plan which in theory is hopefully growing the company's revenues, profits, financial condition etc. and that influences the stock price. A very profitable company could buy their own stock to help boost up the stock price.
I think good employers pay livable wages and maintain decent and humane work environments. But they aren't there to be your mom, your dad, your sugar daddy there to make you rich and let you coattail off of their innovation, brains and natural talent, and toil and risk.
It’s not the responsibility to even pay a livable wage. Where the fuck did that word come from? Livable? It’s always been a contract. I pay you X for Y labor. That’s it. Yeah you can be considered a good company if you pay well, but that’s different than saying “livable”. We’re all trying to live that goes without saying. It’s up to everyone to make their own. If that means 5 jobs so be it.
That’s subjective. Any employee ACCEPTING the current minimum wage isn’t a smart employee. How bout that shit? How about we start focusing on people who choose dumb jobs and then complain about it after. If the wage is too small i your eyes MOVE ON. And if enough people do that the market will need to boost their pay. You’re looking at it backwards. We have the obligation to better ourselves not the other way around. What would you do if every owner of a company said fuck it. Now that wage doesn’t matter because you have no job. Don’t bite he hand that feeds
A lot of American's aren't accepting the current minimum wage. That's why the scumbag globalists are importing cheap labor from south of the border and Africa, etc who are used to having a much lower standard of living and will accept the puny minimum wage and live in a house cramped with seven or eight other people in order to pay the bills. I don't want this. A huge part of our open border problem is because companies don't want to pay workers anything so they need desperate migrants to work for them. That sucks. I'm supposed to lose my country and my culture because you don't want to pay somebody two or three more dollars an hour to work for you?
How do you figure? Minimum wage jobs aren’t for raising a family, they’re for getting your foot in the door. All this livable wage, fight for 15 bullshit has done is make it harder for teenagers to enter the work force.
Teenagers can still work at fast food places and places like PIzza Hut where they make their money on tips. Everything else in my opinion is the realm of adult workers, and why shouldn't it be? It's great if a teen wants to work to get money for things or even to help the family, but a teenager, especially one under 16-17 should be focusing on school, not work. When I was young teenagers made money babysitting and cleaning, not working at warehouses and other businesses, some of which are paying really low wages even now.
Yea, jobs that can be done by anyone pay low wages. Companies can’t just pretend that a job is worth more than it is because adults don’t want to move beyond an entry level job.
Exactly and if workers collectively feel they aren’t being compensated fairly, it’s perfectly legal for them to organize and bargain.
Where that gets shady is when states allow industries to be strictly union and force the business owner to give up their power in the bargaining.
That’s why Texas and many other states thrive while places like Illinois are stagnating. Why do business in a place where the corrupt unions have all the power?
Dumbass low level employees dont realize the risk and responsibility involved in starting and running a successful business. Kids want six figure salaries for being a barista nowadays.
Yep, because their perception of "hard work" is literally waking up and going to work MAYBE 8 hours a day. They have no concept of how hard it is to navigate a company into being profitable without tanking it and costing all of your employees their jobs. To them, business owners just kick back while the real heroes mindlessly press the same 10 things into a cash register for 8 hours.
That’s because parents keep saying “I want them to have it better than I did”. The kids run the house not the parents. The parents are too peer pressured now a days. I blame weak parents prior to the kid turning 18
The exception should be made for David Hogg seeing how its shit coming from his mouth and there is a good probability he is the result of sevral generations of inbreeding.
I hate him and he is a retard, but he is refering to amazon delivery drivers having cameras recording their every action. These cameras recorded them pissing in bottles to save time. Amazon thought this was an efficient use of time. I love capitalism. But fuck Bezos and fuck Amazon.
As someone who has sat long surveillances and pissed in a bottle (or soda cup) more times than I like to admit, they can cry me a fucking river.
If people were getting fired for stopping at a gas station on their route for a three minute piss, that’s fucked up on Amazon’s part. But if things are that bad that you’re watching co-workers get fired for bathroom breaks, look for another job and stop being a fucking crybaby about it.
I think you should “take care of your employees” as a business owner - probably goes for community as well. BUT it is completely within the discretion of the employer. For the employees, if you arent being taken care of, leave. If you are so valuable, somebody will pay for your services —— people are rationale, if not downright greedy when it comes to hiring people that can help themsleves get ahead.
Why doesn't he start his own company to show Trumpers/non-Marxists how it's done? He could start with something easy, maybe union-made pillows... Crap, bad example.
He’s just advertising that he’s available for that Amazon payoff.
Once he gets enough views or likes on an Amazon hate post, someone from some unrelated org will reach out to strike some creative collabo or something, with a condition not to talk smack about amazon.
The secret is to get good reviews, too. The bad ones will tell the same story as the good ones, and people will see what you're about. Then they'll decide whether they're more like the people who give you a good review vs the people who give you a bad one.
What galls me is the left will gnash their teeth and scream over how unfair Amazon is, but they will keep on buying cheap Chinese counterfeits from Amazon.
Yes.... No one wants the risk, just the rewards. Lazy fucktards with no balls just want what we worked for. Fuck them - you ain't getting it unless you earn it.
When my wife and I worked 20 hours straight to keep our business open --NO ONE from the government was there to help. When my business became more successful, they were there with their arms stretched out to take our money.
Yupp. It's theft. None of us mind paying taxes for infrastructure national security but now they take a substantial part of your money they don't show any transparency is where they spend it and then they use that money to subvert your rights.
For people who want part of the success of the company they work for, if they work for a publicly traded company, they can purchase their company's stock.
You have to remember, this kid doesnt know jack shit about the real world. He has been handed everything for being a communist lackie. He has no idea how to run a business, even with all the left support, he still couldnt even get it off the ground.
People give a lot of these leftist idiots WAY too much credit. There is a handful at the top that are knowledgeable in sinister ways, the rest are just taking orders, and when they open their mouth without scripted words, openly show their idiocy on a daily basis.
It's actually crazy with his public profile and status that he couldn't make successful businesses.
I know a couple guys that are like 20 and 21 that have built some successful businesses of social media with no backing your influence if they had this kid's platform they probably be worth nine figures.
I know it’s astounding. If Hogg had one solitary enterprising bone in his girly little body he would be wildly successful. He had more free advertising than any business has ever had, and I’m sure access to startup capital from commie faggot Bay Area VCs.
The fact that with the worlds biggest step ladder he could take one little baby step and fall into wild success shows just what a lazy, entitled fagela he truly is.
And an employee has the ability to walk away from the job, no strings attached any time they choose.
It’s like renting vs owning. Yeah you earn equity when you own that COULD pay off down the road, but you have to pony up big to get the mortgage, and you’re on the hook for repairs. Meanwhile renting is minimal up front costs, no maintenance costs and you can leave when your lease is up, even earlier if you’re willing to pay a little extra.
Renters COULD be stashing money away in investments from day 1 that might outpace the housing market average, if they wanted to.
Problem is, they don’t. They have the same attitude as these kinds of employees. They don’t think ahead and have no idea what the other side is all about, so self absorbed.
Employees can take a direct piece of the profits when they are willing to show up and pay out of their oockets to work. Business owners show up everyday to a loss, they have to make it an income. These people want no risk and all reward.
They always want some of the success of an already established successful company. There's nothing stopping these people from banding together and starting their own company where all profit is shared among everyone. They won't do it though.
People enterprising enough to start a company understand the basics of group dynamics.
There’s usually one or two people in every group that shoulder most of the load. Why should one or two people put forth 100% effort for 5% of the reward?
"Providing hundreds of thousands of employees jobs (because you can't be a billionaire unless your business is that size) and paying them all a salary without them taking the risk of personal ruin if it all goes to shit isn't enough for these people. They think if their CEO is a billionaire and the profits are shared amongst all million employees they'll be millionaires too without realizing that's just an extra one-time bonus of $1000 per employee before the company is bankrupt
Imagine believing that being handed everything you need for overnight success on a silver platter by the commie establishment: a servant media, access to endless capital, legal advice from commie lawyers… and then deciding “You know what? My undergrad psych and lit courses are more important right now!”
He could have dropped his bullshit undergrad classes, spent one year working on his company and waltzed almost effortlessly into wealth. Then he could take all the bullshit undergrad classes he wanted for the rest of his life!
It is the exact same argument government uses for confiscatory taxation. They take large cuts when you do well. They give you nothing if you fail.
"My main issue with David Hogg is when people make millions for somehow seemingly being at every national crisis and then publicly speaking about it, and also getting subsequently accepted to Harvard on the same merits."
David Hogg is a goddam moron and no one should ever take a single thing he says seriously.
But he’s clearly talking about Amazon here. This is a a country that maintains its dominance through government-awarded monopoly. This is a company that treats its employees like the automatons it will replace them with just as soon as they can.
I'm a small business owner... Last year I paid THOUSANDS in taxes... All this stuff they promise everyone comes from the middle and upper middle class!!! Because we have the work and money to stay in business but not enough to put in off shore accounts, hire tax lawyers that get us out of every penny, or do illegal things like launder money through fake business or family!! Because we will go to jail for that shit!!!...... This really isn't about left and right y'all!! The division in this country comes from the people who don't want to do anything to earn what they have, billionaire companies that truly are NOT paying their workers a living wage and those like me in the middle having to pay the whole bill!!!
Yupp. This is like some Bolshevik nonsense where they're trying to attack the producers and the people who take all the risk and create all the jobs and pay all the taxes
What’s a livable wage? Are you a liberal? Get that shit out of here. Companies pay X for Y labor. It’s on you to make sure it’s livable. Who determined companies had to pay livable wages? If it’s not enough money move on or build your own business. Livable lol..what is that
I'm speaking of Amazon, Walmart and the companies who have become super powers all unto themselves during all this plandemic!!! At Walmart they do not allow you to work over 30 hours so they don't have to pay for insurance while the CEOs who mainly get to where they're at because of WHO they know not what they know or how hard they work get multi million dollar raises every year... Again I own my own business because I realized I would never make enough working for other people... And I'm not saying they should raise minimum wage or anything like that... In fact I don't think there should be a minimum wage at all!!! That's what allows companies like Amazon and Walmart to pay "unlivable wages"... Then the people who work there (because they're too stupid or lazy to do anything else) collect welfare and food stamps and housing which is paid for by people like me who taxes go up every year.... It's all a structure meant to crush the middle class... You just don't understand and you automatically go to the trigger words you just told me because you don't understand what's really happening here
Businesses are started by people who take risk. The reward has to be there if you want somebody to take the risk. And create the jobs for everyone else.
It's 2021. If your job sucks you can look around. This isn't medieval feudalism where you toil in the fields for your local noble or else. You are free to go.
If working-class employees are struggling to pay bills it is the fault of David Hogg and his ilk making the cost of living too expensive. It is not the fault of the person creating economic activity that results in jobs for them.
Faggots like Hogg claim to care about the low and middle classes, then they turn around and support policies that make travel, energy, housing, education, health care, etc. more expensive.
Employees have no skin in the game. It's like backseat stock trading.
Not only do employees have no skin in the game, they also have the advantage of getting paid before the employers they work for are able to, if possible, profit from the products of their labor. Its not like an employer can retroactively take money from previous paychecks to match what their performance in the present market was.
as a kid my parents ran there own business. When I was in in high school I had a teacher that organized trips to Europe for the kids that had rich parents. I said to one of the students. I wish I could afford to go. The other kid looked at me and said "your dad owns his own business. I had to inform the person my dad also needs to make payroll every month and that the reality was that my dads employees had more money then he did. when I was a kid there was some real lean years where my parents barely made it. at one point they had to barrow money for food from my grand parents. you can have a million dollar business and end up living like paupers becouse all you have is cash flow not profits.
Fucking retards think if you're worth a million dollars that you literally have a million dollars cash just laying around, like Scrooge McDuck and his treasure vault. Most millionaires I know barely lead a middle class lifestyle.
*Money bin
So slightly less than the average business owner, according to Antifags.
This is why they are retards. You can thank pub ed for their "success-hate"
Millionaire doesn’t mean what it used to.
Now a decamillonaire is the entry level to being wealthy.
1M @ 4% return gives you 40k per year. Time to gas up the yacht.
The cash in my money bin does not earn interest. It's strictly for swimming.
I'm more saying even with 1M in straight cash that doesn't pay you that much. Few employees really understand how much revenue they all need to generate to get paid what they do. Taxes, benefits, a HR dept, Accounting, the capital equipment and facilities all add up too a lot.
And after taxes....
Sorry, I pictured them wheelbarrowing a stack of money.
Dont give up we might all be doing that soon!
That'll come true for all of us when hyperinflation hits.
It's true now if you decide you need a piece of lumber for something.
remember when this faggot was gonna start a pillow company?
fuck this guy
Turns out the only thing he was good at was biting pillows, not making them!
Maybe he could start a "My Pillow Biting Teeth Protectors" company.
😂
I find it interesting how his perspective has changed a little since that failed venture. It’s almost as if he learned a little something, not enough to break the programming obviously, but enough to understand that starting a business IS value and risk.
Hate to break it to you, but that was bad business
actually my dads business made it.... the beginnings were a struggle later on was not....the living as a pauper was only in the early years
It is essentially always like that starting a business from scratch. A huge amount of businesses are failing in the first 1-3 years. Always was this way.
it is interesting how many dont understand the realities of business and its risk.
Oh you worked your ass off and managed to create a hugely successful business? I want a big chunk of that for working here.
Oh you worked your ass off however the business failed and now we’re going bankrupt. I want a big chunk of that for working here.
Hmmmm, I think leftists only want the sharing to go one way... 🤔
Socialist employees when a business is successful: "I only make a tiny fraction of what the owner makes despite being responsible for only a tiny fraction of what the business takes in. That's not fair! I, as one of hundreds or thousands of easily replaceable employees performing tasks that could be completed by a trained monkey, deserve to make as much as the owner who built this entire enterprise from the ground up working all day every day because the business is his baby, because I'm like just as important or some shit."
Socialist employees when the business fails: "Oh, the business went under in no small part due to my shitty bare-minimum work ethic, and now the owner has lost everything including his home and all his savings? Sucks to be him. I'm still getting my last paycheck, right? How long do you figure before I can start collected unemployment? Also, can I use you as a reference for my next job?"
And the same people demand “a living wage” for entry level jobs. It’s the company’s fault when the socialist employee never gets past entry level by bettering themselves or taking on more responsibility too.
I run a small business, a creative one.
Every single person I've hired wants to take over the vision of the company and reroute to their project. I've gotten to where I just say "Ok, learn the tech, bring me a concept and we'll talk about it", and they never do. They want me to do all the work.
It’s the most dreadful part of owning a business. The book the E myth explains it well
talk is the easy part
I think part of the blame is in your lap for hiring people with that personality trait.
My previous boss had hiring preferences similar to yours.
That's every creative ever.
Nah.
I'm in a creative field too and I always deliver exactly what my clients want. Sometimes I'll suggest routes for them to take based on my experience and if they need the advice, but I always allow the final decision to rest in their court, as it should.
Conservative-minded creatives use their skills and experience to inform and guide their companies, clients, and colleagues. Leftists think their way is the only way, or the way that should be prioritized.
I work with in the field.
30% are whiney entitled holier than though bastards.
30% are the same but slightly less annoying. Although still very annoying.
40% are decent people with creative talent, and don't think the earth revolves around them.
Bear in mind I spent the majority of my career in Portland, OR.
this is thing. can haz vouch
Talk to me in three months. I usually don't have to talk to them, cause they moved on to their next vision of grandeur.
Exactly. The "greedy business owners" narrative is commie propaganda straight from the Soviets. They have successfully convinced the useful idiots that businesses should only exist to benefit their employees. I've frequently seen leftist idiots arguing that businesses and landlords should not even earn a profit. It never occurs to the pea brained fucktards that if there were no profit involved then no one would risk investment in business or property. The irony is that if you gave these shit bag losers a business or property they would operate them just like everyone else does; to make a profit.
Unfortunately this communist narrative has proliferated and there are far too many useful idiots out there who have accept it as undeniable truth. They are hell bent on learning the hard way, and hell is what they will get.
They want doctors to go school for 10 yrs and give them top notch healthcare while earning 12 bucks an hour. The left is not only insane, they are the dumbest fucking people you will ever meet. They are never happy, which is why we should stop trying to even find common ground. Fuck em
They're greedy and envious people, plain and simple. They think they're entitled to what others have and what others can produce; that the entire world should bend over to provide for them while they produce nothing of value whatsoever.
Then they take it a step further and actually destroy peoples businesses or reputations via riots or cancel culture doxxing. I seriously hate these fucking leftists and wish someone would start exterminating them. It is the only thing that will stop them.
They also seem to have forgotten that poverty was the norm for tens of thousands of years for 99% of the worlds population. Couple centuries of capitalism and suddenly free healthcare, ubi and WiFi are the bare necessities, RIGHTS they call them. Lord help them.
Reminds me of a comment I saw somewhere. Guy was ranting that "Republicans think the rich will just hand over their money."
Imagine being that fucking dense.
I got into an argument with a commie retard not long ago who insisted that investors expecting a return on their investments was evil and everything wrong with society, and that people who put up millions or tens of millions of dollars funding a project weren't entitled to any say in the progress or development of that project.
It's like, where do these smoothbrains think funding comes from? Would THEY be willing to sink their fortunes into some studio and then just sit back twiddling their thumbs without saying a word as it fails to deliver the agreed upon product within the agreed upon time? No, of course not. If these fuckers invested $10 in something and it looked like they were going to lose so much as a dollar of what they put in, they'd be first in line demanding their money back.
News flash, I don't get rich, then employees have no job. Not sad, just true
“convinced the useful idiots”…so then the ACTUAL issue is people being useful idiots… We can talk all day about the media and narratives but the issue are people being gullible. Why do people focus on the media? Focus on the useful idiot
The useful idiots don't come up with this by themselves; they are fed this shit by the misleadia and other propaganda sources, then they regurgitate it to each other on social media. If we could weed leftism out of our education system and the misleadia then we wouldn't have the useful idiot problem.
The damage has already been done though, so it's a moot point. The useful idiots are already demoralized and are convinced that abolishing capitalism is the answer, and nothing is going to change their minds.
You’re looking at the issue without taking into account personal responsibility. How come we can block out the media but other people can’t? The answer is the media argument negates what we as individuals choose to do with the information. So no, it’s not the media’s fault. It’s the idiot CHOOSING to intake the information instead of reasoning.
Having staff is also like hiring the 'enemy'.
Some Female employees may lodge a 'sex harassment' claim against you.
Some employees WILL rob you (i.e fingers in the till).
Some employees will learn the 'trade', thanks to you, then LEAVE and set up their own business competing against you.
Some employees will fuck up your reputation and goodwill, abusing clients and scaring off customers...forever.
What’s wrong with number 3? If my employee truly thinks he can raise the capital to strike out on his own and deliver a better product, who am I to stop him?
Yeah, I wanted to say the same thing. If someone learns the trade from you why should you be butthurt that they start their own business? You should be proud of them.
Master does not become Master, giving away all the secrets to the apprentice.
An example: If you're in a small country town. And you're the only plumber. And your apprentice strikes out on his own when qualified--there's goes half of your income. That's less for you, your wife and kids. You employed your own demise. [Solution" Make your SON the apprentice]
Employee turn over is inevitable and should be considered within the budget and prepared for.
It's like knowing to have money saved back because you know one day you are going to need new tires.
Like employees are supposed to utilize employers to gain capital and skill in order to have their own employees one day or create and produce something for themselves one day.
That is literally how the cycle works. It should be anticipated.
In fact, it is this very cycle that runs the world
It like letting a friend hold onto your weed. You never get it all back
It is employers that take on the financial risk associated with creating a business.. fuck commies.. lazy, spoiled, entitled, morons
The Hogg family has to be massively embarrassed in Davey.
Is he the grandson of Jefferson Davis “Boss” Hogg? That sumnabitch was pretty corrupt.
Well, his daddy is a deep state, FBI asset, weapon/security government contractor faggot... little Davey does him proud.
here's an idea, if less people could do what you do your labor would be worth more
Exactly this. It's about creating value. If you were bleeding out from a bad wound, you would be pissed if the ER doctor told you he was a good person and a really nice guy instead of FIXING THE DAMN PROBLEM.
These useful idiots think that they should be able to work fast food and drive a new Tesla, own a yacht, and vacation in Tahiti.
They don’t want to actually own anything. The rest is on point though!
Anyone who wants to own part of a company can buy stock. That’s real “equity”. Everything else is theft or charity.
This whole argument is kind of meh.
I don’t want to seem like I’m taking sides but many shares now in the stock market for instance are non-voting. So essentially it’s as worthless as Bitcoin.
Shares = ownership, not management
Ownership dictates management.
Nah, not really. If you own enough you can replace the Board and maybe be on the Board, but that's about as close as it gets.
That's the whole power structure right there.
You want to vote, you pay for it.
Non voting shares are usually “preferred stock” which pays out a higher dividend. Those are usually reserved for insiders for whom voting stock would be a conflict of interest. “Common stock” is almost always what you and I will get and yes, those almost always have voting rights. Problem is you and I can’t make all the shareholder meetings so our stock gets proxied.
Even more common however is mutual funds which your stock ownership is abstracted and managed by someone else for a “small” fee.
Stocks that don’t pay a dividend are a zero sum game for the most part.
Not at all. The sock represents a business....which has assets and a business plan which in theory is hopefully growing the company's revenues, profits, financial condition etc. and that influences the stock price. A very profitable company could buy their own stock to help boost up the stock price.
Would you buy part of business like a dry cleaners that would never pay you any profits?
Yeah he should keep trying to start companies until one takes off or he becomes a professor of economics.
He sure can bite one though
Beat me to it
I think good employers pay livable wages and maintain decent and humane work environments. But they aren't there to be your mom, your dad, your sugar daddy there to make you rich and let you coattail off of their innovation, brains and natural talent, and toil and risk.
You don't get rich working for someone else. When I say rich I mean Bezos or Musk rich.
You don't think Bezos and Musk are working for someone else?
They are. Their employers are just much higher up the food chain.
It’s not the responsibility to even pay a livable wage. Where the fuck did that word come from? Livable? It’s always been a contract. I pay you X for Y labor. That’s it. Yeah you can be considered a good company if you pay well, but that’s different than saying “livable”. We’re all trying to live that goes without saying. It’s up to everyone to make their own. If that means 5 jobs so be it.
I said "Good employers ..." Anybody paying someone the current minimum wage to do anything isn't a good employer.
That’s subjective. Any employee ACCEPTING the current minimum wage isn’t a smart employee. How bout that shit? How about we start focusing on people who choose dumb jobs and then complain about it after. If the wage is too small i your eyes MOVE ON. And if enough people do that the market will need to boost their pay. You’re looking at it backwards. We have the obligation to better ourselves not the other way around. What would you do if every owner of a company said fuck it. Now that wage doesn’t matter because you have no job. Don’t bite he hand that feeds
A lot of American's aren't accepting the current minimum wage. That's why the scumbag globalists are importing cheap labor from south of the border and Africa, etc who are used to having a much lower standard of living and will accept the puny minimum wage and live in a house cramped with seven or eight other people in order to pay the bills. I don't want this. A huge part of our open border problem is because companies don't want to pay workers anything so they need desperate migrants to work for them. That sucks. I'm supposed to lose my country and my culture because you don't want to pay somebody two or three more dollars an hour to work for you?
How do you figure? Minimum wage jobs aren’t for raising a family, they’re for getting your foot in the door. All this livable wage, fight for 15 bullshit has done is make it harder for teenagers to enter the work force.
Teenagers can still work at fast food places and places like PIzza Hut where they make their money on tips. Everything else in my opinion is the realm of adult workers, and why shouldn't it be? It's great if a teen wants to work to get money for things or even to help the family, but a teenager, especially one under 16-17 should be focusing on school, not work. When I was young teenagers made money babysitting and cleaning, not working at warehouses and other businesses, some of which are paying really low wages even now.
Yea, jobs that can be done by anyone pay low wages. Companies can’t just pretend that a job is worth more than it is because adults don’t want to move beyond an entry level job.
Exactly and if workers collectively feel they aren’t being compensated fairly, it’s perfectly legal for them to organize and bargain.
Where that gets shady is when states allow industries to be strictly union and force the business owner to give up their power in the bargaining.
That’s why Texas and many other states thrive while places like Illinois are stagnating. Why do business in a place where the corrupt unions have all the power?
Dumbass low level employees dont realize the risk and responsibility involved in starting and running a successful business. Kids want six figure salaries for being a barista nowadays.
Yep, because their perception of "hard work" is literally waking up and going to work MAYBE 8 hours a day. They have no concept of how hard it is to navigate a company into being profitable without tanking it and costing all of your employees their jobs. To them, business owners just kick back while the real heroes mindlessly press the same 10 things into a cash register for 8 hours.
“Hero pay” 🙄
Lots of young kids I see today don't even want to work. They want "universal basic income" and so on.
Yes, you are right. They either want ubc or they want to start their careers off getting paid six figures and being a ceo.
Or a YouTuber.
exactly
That’s because parents keep saying “I want them to have it better than I did”. The kids run the house not the parents. The parents are too peer pressured now a days. I blame weak parents prior to the kid turning 18
That’s cultural. They have grown up being told they’re perfect little snowflakes and they deserve everything in life.
So they waltzed out of their BFA into the world and expected to be handed everything the rest of us worked out entire adult lives for.
“Why do you have a 3 bedroom house and I can barely afford my apartment?!”
“When I was fresh out of college I could barely afford my apartment, too. I’ve been working consistently for 20 years.”
“I don’t want to wait to be your age to have everything you have, I WANT AN OOMPA-LOOMPAH NAAAAOOOOWWW!!!!!”
Wat
"NOBODY in America should be forced to eat feces and have sex with their cousins to make a living wage!!!"
-David Hogg
The exception should be made for David Hogg seeing how its shit coming from his mouth and there is a good probability he is the result of sevral generations of inbreeding.
I hate him and he is a retard, but he is refering to amazon delivery drivers having cameras recording their every action. These cameras recorded them pissing in bottles to save time. Amazon thought this was an efficient use of time. I love capitalism. But fuck Bezos and fuck Amazon.
Piss jugs are just the way of the road. Way she goes sometimes boys
As a long haul truck driver, this is the way
As someone who has sat long surveillances and pissed in a bottle (or soda cup) more times than I like to admit, they can cry me a fucking river.
If people were getting fired for stopping at a gas station on their route for a three minute piss, that’s fucked up on Amazon’s part. But if things are that bad that you’re watching co-workers get fired for bathroom breaks, look for another job and stop being a fucking crybaby about it.
Thanks. I couldn't make any sense of that retardation in particular.
Come on, whose dad never made them pee in a Mountain Dew bottle because “we’re making good time”?
Fuck all F.A.G.A.T. companies.
Oh, lad.
I think you should “take care of your employees” as a business owner - probably goes for community as well. BUT it is completely within the discretion of the employer. For the employees, if you arent being taken care of, leave. If you are so valuable, somebody will pay for your services —— people are rationale, if not downright greedy when it comes to hiring people that can help themsleves get ahead.
Why doesn't he start his own company to show Trumpers/non-Marxists how it's done? He could start with something easy, maybe union-made pillows... Crap, bad example.
David Hogg peed in bottles under his desk two days before the Parkland School Hoax Shooting.
Related
(I live in Broward :/)
Damn, lot's of corruption in Parkland. $365k a yr for a school administrator???wtf?
David...you couldn't even sell a pillow.
He bites one...the best pillow biter...some say maybe the best pillow biter ever seen.
He’s just advertising that he’s available for that Amazon payoff.
Once he gets enough views or likes on an Amazon hate post, someone from some unrelated org will reach out to strike some creative collabo or something, with a condition not to talk smack about amazon.
Does it work like that? I’m just making it up.
Of course it works like that.
What do you think Yelp is?
It extorts everyone at the same time via bad reviews. Want those bad reviews to go away? Better pay Yelp.
The secret is to get good reviews, too. The bad ones will tell the same story as the good ones, and people will see what you're about. Then they'll decide whether they're more like the people who give you a good review vs the people who give you a bad one.
What galls me is the left will gnash their teeth and scream over how unfair Amazon is, but they will keep on buying cheap Chinese counterfeits from Amazon.
Yes.... No one wants the risk, just the rewards. Lazy fucktards with no balls just want what we worked for. Fuck them - you ain't getting it unless you earn it.
When my wife and I worked 20 hours straight to keep our business open --NO ONE from the government was there to help. When my business became more successful, they were there with their arms stretched out to take our money.
Yupp. It's theft. None of us mind paying taxes for infrastructure national security but now they take a substantial part of your money they don't show any transparency is where they spend it and then they use that money to subvert your rights.
I too I'm a business owner and it's ridiculous.
For people who want part of the success of the company they work for, if they work for a publicly traded company, they can purchase their company's stock.
This fucker will never hold a real job in his life.
Sadly, he’s planning to parlay his commie bullshit into a cush media job, and he probably will.
Nobody told hogg the story of the little red hen growing up.
Umm.. Employees DO share in the success and failure of a company. It's called your wages and possible lack of employment.
So then go make your own pillow company....oh wait lol
You have to remember, this kid doesnt know jack shit about the real world. He has been handed everything for being a communist lackie. He has no idea how to run a business, even with all the left support, he still couldnt even get it off the ground.
People give a lot of these leftist idiots WAY too much credit. There is a handful at the top that are knowledgeable in sinister ways, the rest are just taking orders, and when they open their mouth without scripted words, openly show their idiocy on a daily basis.
It's actually crazy with his public profile and status that he couldn't make successful businesses.
I know a couple guys that are like 20 and 21 that have built some successful businesses of social media with no backing your influence if they had this kid's platform they probably be worth nine figures.
I know it’s astounding. If Hogg had one solitary enterprising bone in his girly little body he would be wildly successful. He had more free advertising than any business has ever had, and I’m sure access to startup capital from commie faggot Bay Area VCs.
The fact that with the worlds biggest step ladder he could take one little baby step and fall into wild success shows just what a lazy, entitled fagela he truly is.
Employees DO have part of business's success. It's called "Wages".
And an employee has the ability to walk away from the job, no strings attached any time they choose.
It’s like renting vs owning. Yeah you earn equity when you own that COULD pay off down the road, but you have to pony up big to get the mortgage, and you’re on the hook for repairs. Meanwhile renting is minimal up front costs, no maintenance costs and you can leave when your lease is up, even earlier if you’re willing to pay a little extra.
Renters COULD be stashing money away in investments from day 1 that might outpace the housing market average, if they wanted to.
Problem is, they don’t. They have the same attitude as these kinds of employees. They don’t think ahead and have no idea what the other side is all about, so self absorbed.
Employees can take a direct piece of the profits when they are willing to show up and pay out of their oockets to work. Business owners show up everyday to a loss, they have to make it an income. These people want no risk and all reward.
Yupp it's ridiculous.
“No risk and all reward”
You just described the position of “employee”.
They always want some of the success of an already established successful company. There's nothing stopping these people from banding together and starting their own company where all profit is shared among everyone. They won't do it though.
Yeah that usually works out great…
People enterprising enough to start a company understand the basics of group dynamics.
There’s usually one or two people in every group that shoulder most of the load. Why should one or two people put forth 100% effort for 5% of the reward?
That’s why communism will always fail.
"Providing hundreds of thousands of employees jobs (because you can't be a billionaire unless your business is that size) and paying them all a salary without them taking the risk of personal ruin if it all goes to shit isn't enough for these people. They think if their CEO is a billionaire and the profits are shared amongst all million employees they'll be millionaires too without realizing that's just an extra one-time bonus of $1000 per employee before the company is bankrupt
He is free to start a business anytime.
I believe he was a founding member of some pillow start-up company but he recently quit due to not having enough time for it.
Imagine believing that being handed everything you need for overnight success on a silver platter by the commie establishment: a servant media, access to endless capital, legal advice from commie lawyers… and then deciding “You know what? My undergrad psych and lit courses are more important right now!”
He could have dropped his bullshit undergrad classes, spent one year working on his company and waltzed almost effortlessly into wealth. Then he could take all the bullshit undergrad classes he wanted for the rest of his life!
It is the exact same argument government uses for confiscatory taxation. They take large cuts when you do well. They give you nothing if you fail.
"My main issue with David Hogg is when people make millions for somehow seemingly being at every national crisis and then publicly speaking about it, and also getting subsequently accepted to Harvard on the same merits."
Said the guy who failed after 2 months trying to start his own business when reality hit.
David Hogg is a goddam moron and no one should ever take a single thing he says seriously.
But he’s clearly talking about Amazon here. This is a a country that maintains its dominance through government-awarded monopoly. This is a company that treats its employees like the automatons it will replace them with just as soon as they can.
Nothing is stopping these communists from creating their own business, and having these rules.
I'm a small business owner... Last year I paid THOUSANDS in taxes... All this stuff they promise everyone comes from the middle and upper middle class!!! Because we have the work and money to stay in business but not enough to put in off shore accounts, hire tax lawyers that get us out of every penny, or do illegal things like launder money through fake business or family!! Because we will go to jail for that shit!!!...... This really isn't about left and right y'all!! The division in this country comes from the people who don't want to do anything to earn what they have, billionaire companies that truly are NOT paying their workers a living wage and those like me in the middle having to pay the whole bill!!!
Yupp. This is like some Bolshevik nonsense where they're trying to attack the producers and the people who take all the risk and create all the jobs and pay all the taxes
What’s a livable wage? Are you a liberal? Get that shit out of here. Companies pay X for Y labor. It’s on you to make sure it’s livable. Who determined companies had to pay livable wages? If it’s not enough money move on or build your own business. Livable lol..what is that
I'm speaking of Amazon, Walmart and the companies who have become super powers all unto themselves during all this plandemic!!! At Walmart they do not allow you to work over 30 hours so they don't have to pay for insurance while the CEOs who mainly get to where they're at because of WHO they know not what they know or how hard they work get multi million dollar raises every year... Again I own my own business because I realized I would never make enough working for other people... And I'm not saying they should raise minimum wage or anything like that... In fact I don't think there should be a minimum wage at all!!! That's what allows companies like Amazon and Walmart to pay "unlivable wages"... Then the people who work there (because they're too stupid or lazy to do anything else) collect welfare and food stamps and housing which is paid for by people like me who taxes go up every year.... It's all a structure meant to crush the middle class... You just don't understand and you automatically go to the trigger words you just told me because you don't understand what's really happening here
Stop giving this faggot attention
Seems like his problem is with Bezos. I can't disagree there, but that's not an issue with business in general.
Businesses are started by people who take risk. The reward has to be there if you want somebody to take the risk. And create the jobs for everyone else.
It's 2021. If your job sucks you can look around. This isn't medieval feudalism where you toil in the fields for your local noble or else. You are free to go.
Not yet it’s not. Give it another 10 years on the current trajectory and we’ll all be serfs again
David Hogg pees in bottles by choice thinking the rest of us do it out of necessity.
I don't know too may people peeing in bottles and if they are you should point out the restrooms to them.
Don't knock peeing in bottles. That shit is a life-saver
If working-class employees are struggling to pay bills it is the fault of David Hogg and his ilk making the cost of living too expensive. It is not the fault of the person creating economic activity that results in jobs for them.
Faggots like Hogg claim to care about the low and middle classes, then they turn around and support policies that make travel, energy, housing, education, health care, etc. more expensive.
Come back in 30 years Hogg. After experiencing life.
True.
If I actually had what my employees THINK I have. I'd fuck it and walk away.
What a skinny, cowardly failure.
“Have to pee and bottles”, Huh!?? Is that fucking English??
What in the actual fuck is this retard even talking about?
"pee and* bottles"
These people are mentally ill.
"Business owners owe their employees part of the success" lol Sure, and it's paid to them in the form of A FUCKING CHECK every one to two weeks.
Another rich kid who has proclaimed themselves an expert on being poor.
Another rich kid with no clue what his own parents did to make him rich telling everyone how rich people get rich.
Take away envy and it all falls apart. People who envy thier neighbors pay assholes like this to lie to them about thier neighbors.
So when you're rich you don't have to pee anymore?
I bet the noodle armed faggot has an Amazon Prime account and watches bikini hot tubs on Twitch
David is a fag.