A body builder friend with a natural mesomorph physique had to eat massive amounts of food, and was always working out. He said he could tell who the guys at the gym were that were taking steroids by casually commenting to them "I hear steroids shrink your junk". He said the guys that were on them would always reply, "No, it makes it bigger". My friend claimed this technique for detecting steroid use was at least as accurate as a piss test.
Some people are going to naturally have tons of muscle mass without lifting.
When those ppl lift, they swoll.
But the thing is, when you lift for size, you’re just pumping fluid into your muscles (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy).
Even slender built guys can pack pounds on in a year of lifting heavy. They don’t look jacked, but their 1rep max will still go up with enough smart and hard work.
Pretty ignorant comment actually. Acne from roids typically presents on back/chest/face, wheras what you're seeing on people's arms is a genetic condition called keratosis pilaris and is incredibly common.
It is, I'm similar sized/ probably a couple more more body fat percentage than this absolute unit (I don't do the whole cardio thing I just like picking heavy stuff up)... But I have been lifting for over a decade since I was in middle school. It's all time, diet, and working both smart and hard.
I don’t mean to argue, and I do not have any experience with any other sport or know what this guy does, but I have known many gymnasts that build massive upper body strength through daily routine. None of them juiced.
I work out with a guy who has been lifting serious weight for his entire adult life since leaving the Marines. This guy benches, squats and deadlifts incredible amounts of weight consistently and while he is a big guy (genetically has a big frame to support a lot of muscle), he's not built like the guy in the picture. Sure he has plenty of muscle, but this puffed up, ultra-low bodyfat body builder appearance is not the result of heavy weight or volume.
The guy in the picture takes steroids so he can lift more frequently and for longer, recover faster and constantly trigger his muscles into hypertrophy in an unnatural manner for far longer than would naturally be possible for ANYONE.
Imagine the rapid gains that a person who is just starting out lifting gets. It's someone miraculous what can be done in 6-8 months if you take on a program and do it consistently. After that "newbie" period, those gains taper off and become very slow. With steroids, that kind of rapid gain doesn't stop AND you recover from your workout super fast and can workout each session longer, doing more reps and more weight.
They’re pretty awesome. They’re far more widespread than most people realise, and in non-ridiculous doses, have very few side effects if done correctly.
Even if you take a TRT dose (something that doesn’t put you over the top-end of what’s considered within the natural human range), there’s health and performance benefits as you get older.
The drawback is that it’s basically a life-long commitment - once you’re on for any significant period of time, you’ll damage your natural T production enough that it won’t come back to its original level.
It depends on the workout. The thing is, size does not always equal strength. High reps lighter weight will build more size than heavy weight. After over 5 years of working out, I recently switched to high rep and drop sets and the differ nce in muscle mass it made us quite amazing.
Nowhere did I make the point that muscle volume has a linear relationship to strength, in fact I was making the opposite point.
Hypertrophy can't occur without increase in load. Meaning you can't keep lifting the same weight for high volume and grow muscle. You have to increase the weight you're moving in addition to increased time under tension to spur hypertrophy.
What you're saying is true if you're going for newbie gains, that will happen with high weight/low rep AND lower weight/high rep. It's just your system adapting to new stress.
Not in my experience. Weight training and body building are great routines worth incorporating into your exercise regimen. But it’s important to compare yourself to the you of yesterday, not the roid raging exaggerations of the 70s/80s
I remember picking up a bodybuilding book a few years back and it had an anonymous interview breaking down the industry of 10+ years ago. All top 10 guys were spending at least 60K+ a year on roids+GH, pissing blood often. It was a sad but important thing to read to keep things in perspective.
Part of the issue is that what you’re seeing with these huge guys, is a combination of both. Pro bodybuilders, strongmen, weightlifters, athletes, etc, are already massively genetically gifted, then you add PEDs on top of that. If you’ve got shit genetics, steroids will help you look/perform ‘well’, but they won’t turn you into a savage like Jocko Willink.
There’s a picture out there of Eddie Hall at age 15, and he’s a tank. You can’t get that out of a bottle.
Quite right, but at the far end of the bell curve where those guys compete everyone is looking for an edge. If your competitor is using it and you want to win then you really have no choice. If you don't care about coming in 20th place then some guys can still compete up to a point without using
This is objectively true too, but why create additional risk unless you’re competing at a pro level? The message was more for folks that exercise for the sake of fitness, strength and health.
Depends on what you want to achieve. I had the T levels of a 70 year old when I was 22, so in that situation the healthy thing to do was to correct that.
People like to take extreme examples when it comes to steroids. Everyone always points at pro-bodybuilders, and goes “look, it’s unhealthy”. That’s like pointing at 600lb fatties who eats McDonalds 4x per day and saying “look, beef burgers are unhealthy”. There’s a huge amount of people in the non-pro-bodybuilding sphere who use a non-therapeutic (over natural limit) dose with zero issues. There has been a lot of scare-mongering from the media and government over the years with regards to steroids.
It’s not something I’d recommend to the average person, for sure, but if you’re interested in being big, strong, fast, and you’re willing to make that a core component of your life, then you can do it in a way that’s perfectly safe. I’d be willing to bet that the average steroid user is more healthy than the average non-steroid user, just due to lifestyle, put it that way.
Personally, it’s too much effort to go beyond a TRT dose for me. I have a pretty bad genetic base when it comes to strength, so the benefits I’d get just aren’t worth the extra effort it takes to use increased doses safely and sensibly. There are definitely issues with younger guys trying to become pro-bodybuilders and abusing this stuff without knowing any better, though, and that’s a whole other topic I could talk about for a while.
I can appreciate the competition of some of the greats in various sport (and can be inspired by that drive). What I don’t appreciate is the lack of transparency in how these athletes achieved these things. It creates a false perception and sets the bar to something that is (for the most part) unachievable unless you play the very risky game.
Pushing your body past it’s natural limit with drugs is not admirable, heroic, or anything that should be idolized.
Cut the Creatine, C4, and barrels of whey protein out of your routine.
Your heart and other organs will thank you. Longevity is much more important than achieving a certain ‘physique’.
Find an exercise routine that works for you, allow your body to recover naturally, and eat a diet of whole foods with as little processed food as possible.
Yup. First thing I noticed. Terrible idea, particularly with the shirt tucked in with it. There have definitely been cases of the trigger catching on a shirt and discharging the weapon.
Yes, they are unsustainable. He is just wearing out his bones and joints, for results that do not help in any fight, that makes a person so self involved they become dumb to reality , and in the end isnt at all attractive . Its a gay thing to think gym muscles are attractive.
Its not attractive to have gym bodies. Its harmful to you longterm , you are just buidling muscles not used in for productive work, , which have to be mantained by high intakes of protien, which your body has a limited lifetime ability to process.
The second a gym rat can't workout due to some sprained or broken this or that, they become fat slobs.
Each repetitious, unnecessary movement is a step closer to the inevitable wearing down of the joines and tendons.
Gov Terminator is a perfect example. Became Gov, couldnt work out everyday , and quickly turned into a disgustingly obese slob. He then had to have his stomach stapled to lose the weight. He had to have a full body tuck to remove 35 lbs of lose skin.
Keep making excuses my dude. That’s why SEALs and other SF guys, SWAT, etc, are all skinny marathon-runner lookalikes with zero muscle mass, right? Because strength and size isn’t important.
Well done for using a literal pro-bodybuilder as an example, though. Dorian Yates is another one, and he’s currently doing very well and is, by all accounts, perfectly healthy even as he’s approaching 60, and he took way more gear than Arnold. You can’t use extremes to prove a rule, bud. We can all do that bullshit.
You seriously need to work on your sentence structure.
Anyhow, the idea that getting strong isn’t a benefit to your physical performance is absolutely laughable. Is that guy reaching the point of diminishing returns in turns of performance? Sure, but you just sound bitter that he’s in far better shape than you are.
Good hell... I'm a fit, fully straight, heterosexual male that is confident in my marriage, but DAYUUM... I wouldn't at all blame my wife if she took a second look. The genetic lottery was kind to this one.
I mean... im a weak, low status male......and i love this covid thing. but thats only because i can be left alone, without people questioning it. and avoid obligatory family gatherings with extended dem aunts/uncles/cousins, that id be twisted into going to because "we're a family"
Kind of like how most state troopers suffer Little Man Syndrome - they couldn't command respect or admiration in school so they join the ranks and just take it. They are the worst
Yup they fall for the media propaganda just like most people do in one way or another. Thinking doing a cycle and a few sets of curls will give you 50 lbs of muscle and make you a gigachad with no effort
The problem is that these low status males still seem to have more courage than our strong virtuous males who are sitting idly by while our country goes to shit.
Yeah, I have no idea only been lifting for 20 years... one of those 40 somethings still deadlifting and squatting in the gym while the others play on their phones
Upgrading from guns to cannons. Holy shit dude. How do you get such big traps?. Lol
Get juiced
Yeah, then be a low t loser later in life like schwarzenegger or jenner
Is there no natural way to get that big?
The only guys I've seen that big take juice. It's a shame really.
Hard work, diet, and genetics.
Very few guys can get that big without 'roids.
A body builder friend with a natural mesomorph physique had to eat massive amounts of food, and was always working out. He said he could tell who the guys at the gym were that were taking steroids by casually commenting to them "I hear steroids shrink your junk". He said the guys that were on them would always reply, "No, it makes it bigger". My friend claimed this technique for detecting steroid use was at least as accurate as a piss test.
Emphasis on the genetics part.
Some people are going to naturally have tons of muscle mass without lifting.
When those ppl lift, they swoll.
But the thing is, when you lift for size, you’re just pumping fluid into your muscles (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy).
Even slender built guys can pack pounds on in a year of lifting heavy. They don’t look jacked, but their 1rep max will still go up with enough smart and hard work.
Can just look at their arms covered in zits to know too.
Pretty ignorant comment actually. Acne from roids typically presents on back/chest/face, wheras what you're seeing on people's arms is a genetic condition called keratosis pilaris and is incredibly common.
The zits are from dirty gym equipment.
Suuuuuuuuuure they are.
Dude I am been a gym rat for 15 years, from the nastiest of college gyms to the cleanest. Never had back-ne, guys who I know juice always did.
Hahaha. Genius!
One downvote. Found the steroid user.
You can tell who is on roids by those huge horse veins they develop.
nope. anyone that says they did is lying their ass off.
I don't know if it's possible to be that big, with that little body fat, naturally.
It is, I'm similar sized/ probably a couple more more body fat percentage than this absolute unit (I don't do the whole cardio thing I just like picking heavy stuff up)... But I have been lifting for over a decade since I was in middle school. It's all time, diet, and working both smart and hard.
I'm also similar sized, with more body fat percentages. I'm probably just saying it's impossible to make myself feel better.
Hahahahaha
for real? what are you specs, height weight, body fat % etc
I don’t mean to argue, and I do not have any experience with any other sport or know what this guy does, but I have known many gymnasts that build massive upper body strength through daily routine. None of them juiced.
strength and bulk are 2 very different things. please post a pic of a non-juicing gymnast that looks like this guy. i will wait.
Never said he was a gymnast. Just said gymnast get big and don’t juice
I don’t have to prove it. I lived it and know many, like I said. You want pictures use Google.
arent gymnists really small as far as height?
also, gymnists are not this big... this guy has massive arms etc...
5’10, I guess on avg. just saying you don’t have to juice to gain bulk.
You are a dumb faggot.
come get some soy boy!
I work out with a guy who has been lifting serious weight for his entire adult life since leaving the Marines. This guy benches, squats and deadlifts incredible amounts of weight consistently and while he is a big guy (genetically has a big frame to support a lot of muscle), he's not built like the guy in the picture. Sure he has plenty of muscle, but this puffed up, ultra-low bodyfat body builder appearance is not the result of heavy weight or volume.
The guy in the picture takes steroids so he can lift more frequently and for longer, recover faster and constantly trigger his muscles into hypertrophy in an unnatural manner for far longer than would naturally be possible for ANYONE.
Imagine the rapid gains that a person who is just starting out lifting gets. It's someone miraculous what can be done in 6-8 months if you take on a program and do it consistently. After that "newbie" period, those gains taper off and become very slow. With steroids, that kind of rapid gain doesn't stop AND you recover from your workout super fast and can workout each session longer, doing more reps and more weight.
Steroids sound crazy
Literally every movie star with even a lump of muscle uses them. All those Marvel and DC superhero actors with the nice biceps, yeah..
how u know this. tell more
Am I the only one that wants a gladiator style sport where steroid use is allowed and participants sign a liability waiver?
We just need to bring back American Gladiators
We did have that. Look at old UFC with the likes of prime Ken Shamrock and Mark Kerr
They’re pretty awesome. They’re far more widespread than most people realise, and in non-ridiculous doses, have very few side effects if done correctly.
Even if you take a TRT dose (something that doesn’t put you over the top-end of what’s considered within the natural human range), there’s health and performance benefits as you get older.
The drawback is that it’s basically a life-long commitment - once you’re on for any significant period of time, you’ll damage your natural T production enough that it won’t come back to its original level.
It depends on the workout. The thing is, size does not always equal strength. High reps lighter weight will build more size than heavy weight. After over 5 years of working out, I recently switched to high rep and drop sets and the differ nce in muscle mass it made us quite amazing.
Nowhere did I make the point that muscle volume has a linear relationship to strength, in fact I was making the opposite point.
Hypertrophy can't occur without increase in load. Meaning you can't keep lifting the same weight for high volume and grow muscle. You have to increase the weight you're moving in addition to increased time under tension to spur hypertrophy.
What you're saying is true if you're going for newbie gains, that will happen with high weight/low rep AND lower weight/high rep. It's just your system adapting to new stress.
this.. i started to learn this too
Not in my experience. Weight training and body building are great routines worth incorporating into your exercise regimen. But it’s important to compare yourself to the you of yesterday, not the roid raging exaggerations of the 70s/80s
*late 90's
Indeed
*Today even.
I remember picking up a bodybuilding book a few years back and it had an anonymous interview breaking down the industry of 10+ years ago. All top 10 guys were spending at least 60K+ a year on roids+GH, pissing blood often. It was a sad but important thing to read to keep things in perspective.
What book was it? I am just curious, and it sounds like an interesting read.
One in a million genetics or some bizarre hormonal disorder is the only option other than roids. Hard work will only get the average man/woman so far.
Part of the issue is that what you’re seeing with these huge guys, is a combination of both. Pro bodybuilders, strongmen, weightlifters, athletes, etc, are already massively genetically gifted, then you add PEDs on top of that. If you’ve got shit genetics, steroids will help you look/perform ‘well’, but they won’t turn you into a savage like Jocko Willink.
There’s a picture out there of Eddie Hall at age 15, and he’s a tank. You can’t get that out of a bottle.
Quite right, but at the far end of the bell curve where those guys compete everyone is looking for an edge. If your competitor is using it and you want to win then you really have no choice. If you don't care about coming in 20th place then some guys can still compete up to a point without using
If you take T, your body obeys the law of conservation of energy and stops producing it naturally.
Most people who take T now a days don't even produce it naturally in the first place. ;)
Too much soy will do it
They just get small weekly doses. Keeps their free T in the 500 level, which is good.
You’re gonna be low T later in life either way, bruv. As soon as you’re past about 25 your T levels are going down.
This is objectively true too, but why create additional risk unless you’re competing at a pro level? The message was more for folks that exercise for the sake of fitness, strength and health.
Depends on what you want to achieve. I had the T levels of a 70 year old when I was 22, so in that situation the healthy thing to do was to correct that.
People like to take extreme examples when it comes to steroids. Everyone always points at pro-bodybuilders, and goes “look, it’s unhealthy”. That’s like pointing at 600lb fatties who eats McDonalds 4x per day and saying “look, beef burgers are unhealthy”. There’s a huge amount of people in the non-pro-bodybuilding sphere who use a non-therapeutic (over natural limit) dose with zero issues. There has been a lot of scare-mongering from the media and government over the years with regards to steroids.
It’s not something I’d recommend to the average person, for sure, but if you’re interested in being big, strong, fast, and you’re willing to make that a core component of your life, then you can do it in a way that’s perfectly safe. I’d be willing to bet that the average steroid user is more healthy than the average non-steroid user, just due to lifestyle, put it that way.
Personally, it’s too much effort to go beyond a TRT dose for me. I have a pretty bad genetic base when it comes to strength, so the benefits I’d get just aren’t worth the extra effort it takes to use increased doses safely and sensibly. There are definitely issues with younger guys trying to become pro-bodybuilders and abusing this stuff without knowing any better, though, and that’s a whole other topic I could talk about for a while.
Jealousy hates the accomplishments of others.
I’m not jealous at all.
I can appreciate the competition of some of the greats in various sport (and can be inspired by that drive). What I don’t appreciate is the lack of transparency in how these athletes achieved these things. It creates a false perception and sets the bar to something that is (for the most part) unachievable unless you play the very risky game.
Pushing your body past it’s natural limit with drugs is not admirable, heroic, or anything that should be idolized.
Sorry dude, nobody asked you.
For those that care:
Cut the Creatine, C4, and barrels of whey protein out of your routine.
Your heart and other organs will thank you. Longevity is much more important than achieving a certain ‘physique’.
Find an exercise routine that works for you, allow your body to recover naturally, and eat a diet of whole foods with as little processed food as possible.
Whats wrong with whey?
Found the juicer
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I was just thinking in my older age....I could never get that buff...kick ass message too.
BRB, going to do an 8 hour arm workout!
No Curls in the Squat Rack.
Pullups and barbell. Dont need nothing else.
I think that dude works out while listening to old Trump speeches.
Sometimes Trump speeches....but mostly, Slayer.
I'm a big dude, but holy shit.
Work on your printing skills and you'll one up him! :)
That's call Mexican carry and it can get your cock shot off. Get a holster Chad.
I just stick mine in the back, I got a flat ass.
TMI
Hank Hill?
Diminished Glutes
Zap carry?
Yup. First thing I noticed. Terrible idea, particularly with the shirt tucked in with it. There have definitely been cases of the trigger catching on a shirt and discharging the weapon.
Can't shoot it off if your cock is made of kevlar and woven stainless steel.
marry me. 🥰
Please tell your future husband that sign would mean more if he was shirtless.😉
He's holding a sign? 🤪
Lolol
He's shirtless in almost every IG story and every IG post. Lol
He won't have the functioning tools much longer unless he gets a proper holster.
He's married. :(
naturally!
day dream still applies.
Nothing natural about him 😂
I'd feel incredibly safe hanging with this MAN.
I agree with every word, but damn man! Use a holster! That shit gives me anxiety!
I was going to say this. Good way to shoot your dick off, big guy.
Didnt Zuby say this 2 weeks ago?
Yea
Yes I thought this sounded familiar. Whatever, get the message out to more people I guess
I just heard Tom Fitton shriek like a hurt child.
Lmfaoooo
Hubba hubba 😍
All true. But get a damned holster.
These muscles are impressive no doubt about it, but is there even spare time left after the daily training to maintain this body?
Yes, they are unsustainable. He is just wearing out his bones and joints, for results that do not help in any fight, that makes a person so self involved they become dumb to reality , and in the end isnt at all attractive . Its a gay thing to think gym muscles are attractive.
Tell that to all the women throwing themselves at this guy in this thread and in real life
Halo effect is real my man. Nature vs. Nurture.
Cope
Lmao this is cringe levels of cope.
cringe cringe cope cope cope Childlike mind.
Going to the gym is faggoty . Thinking that overbulging muscles are at all attractive , manly or healthy is gay.
Found the fatty.
Im not fat, Im fit but not a retarded gym rat.
Its not attractive to have gym bodies. Its harmful to you longterm , you are just buidling muscles not used in for productive work, , which have to be mantained by high intakes of protien, which your body has a limited lifetime ability to process.
The second a gym rat can't workout due to some sprained or broken this or that, they become fat slobs. Each repetitious, unnecessary movement is a step closer to the inevitable wearing down of the joines and tendons. Gov Terminator is a perfect example. Became Gov, couldnt work out everyday , and quickly turned into a disgustingly obese slob. He then had to have his stomach stapled to lose the weight. He had to have a full body tuck to remove 35 lbs of lose skin.
Keep making excuses my dude. That’s why SEALs and other SF guys, SWAT, etc, are all skinny marathon-runner lookalikes with zero muscle mass, right? Because strength and size isn’t important.
Well done for using a literal pro-bodybuilder as an example, though. Dorian Yates is another one, and he’s currently doing very well and is, by all accounts, perfectly healthy even as he’s approaching 60, and he took way more gear than Arnold. You can’t use extremes to prove a rule, bud. We can all do that bullshit.
Many SEALs use steroids and get super jacked. You have many different body types in the teams. You both are half right.
You seriously need to work on your sentence structure.
Anyhow, the idea that getting strong isn’t a benefit to your physical performance is absolutely laughable. Is that guy reaching the point of diminishing returns in turns of performance? Sure, but you just sound bitter that he’s in far better shape than you are.
You people really are living in fantasy world
This guy in the video is not healthy . Muscle butts, veiny crotches, man boobs , are all useless for every reason, and very unattractive.
Nonone is getting wet for some gym muscle dork.
You don't see people that look like this guy winning any olympic sports or being the top of any competive sport.
You don't see them on any elite fighting force.
You are lost in a Hollywood illusion.
Well, hello there sir.
Good hell... I'm a fit, fully straight, heterosexual male that is confident in my marriage, but DAYUUM... I wouldn't at all blame my wife if she took a second look. The genetic lottery was kind to this one.
Genetics are very important, but don't forget the trenbologna sandwiches.
Eat clen and tren hard
Anavar give up!
That's not genetics. Just ol fashioned juicing.
only a faggot woul leave a comment like this.
Only faggot would like this type of overmuscled gym rat look.
I'm surprised the rest of the Umbrella Academy didn't browbeat him into shutting up.
Ha! Top marks, sir.
At what point do arms transition into continents ? Mountains on continents.
As a superstraight woman, HE is a BEAUTIFUL sight.
Fat, ugly women love it for the same reasons.
Goddamn this makes me wanna lift.
I mean... im a weak, low status male......and i love this covid thing. but thats only because i can be left alone, without people questioning it. and avoid obligatory family gatherings with extended dem aunts/uncles/cousins, that id be twisted into going to because "we're a family"
I have the feeling this guy never gets shit for not wearing a mask
Covid cultists only go after easy targets
Don’t forget dance on tik tok in scrubs
Use a fucking holster
Kind of like how most state troopers suffer Little Man Syndrome - they couldn't command respect or admiration in school so they join the ranks and just take it. They are the worst
I’ll never understand putting the business end of a gun that close to your junk.
Me, young MAGA chick, seeing this chad 👁👅👁
The misinformation in this thread about steroids is worse than CNN.
Yup they fall for the media propaganda just like most people do in one way or another. Thinking doing a cycle and a few sets of curls will give you 50 lbs of muscle and make you a gigachad with no effort
People get really emotional about it. It’s real weird.
tru dat
Giga Chad has a point
This strong pede needs a woman to help him with the wording on his sign. I’ll uh, be more than happy to volunteer 😂👀
A-fukken-men.
The problem is that these low status males still seem to have more courage than our strong virtuous males who are sitting idly by while our country goes to shit.
The guy preaching about weak males... all the while coping for his vanity and lack of work ethic by injecting juice into his body...
sorry this ain't MAGA to me
I wanna see u get that big by sitting on your ass injecting juice... Yall natty fags are just a bunch of indisciplined losers
Lol I love when people think taking a couple steroid injections will make you look like Arnold. You really have no idea what you’re talking about
Yeah, I have no idea only been lifting for 20 years... one of those 40 somethings still deadlifting and squatting in the gym while the others play on their phones
This ^^^^^
he needs to do more lower body
lol
Jesus dude, save some triceps for the rest of us.
When your hobby is to get ripped, this is what happens....after some enhancers.
That's what ZUBY said on twatter.
Isn’t that a Zuby tweet?
Yup, it is.
well, hello there.
The sad thing is nobody wears American Flag masks around where I live except a few patriots.
The actual flag is gone almost anywhere around here.
Guy makes a sign, everyone talks about steroids. Lmao.
Low T will do that to you. If you are older, take white ginseng, zinc, eat a lot of avocados, spinach, and pump those irons
It must be the Badger Milk.
Whoa! Nice guns!
They also like it because it gives them some power, which they cannot otherwise get.
For the love of all things good… 🙌🏻
He probably can get unswole because he has to keep lifting things he accidentally knocks off shelves.
Could do a mean Crucifix Pose
The right person can absolutely get this big natural. Most arnt the right person though
i want this man to teach me stuff. Just anything.