This is all wrong. True socialism would be more like, pay them 10 dollars, take 7, give 20 cents to their sibling who didn't work, then give 100 dollars to yourself. Then tell your child the 3 dollars they kept is now only worth 1 dollar because you had to inflate the currency to pay down the debt you created paying yourself. Then you tell the non-working sibling that they only got 20 cents because the working child is greedy and wouldn't share.
And if you want it to be environmental socialism, tell your kid they need to use special green cleaners on the bathroom, which the child has to buy themselves and which cost 10x what normal cleaners cost. Oh and by the way, your uncle's store down the road is the only place to buy them.
My father did something like this, but he sent the money to some "sponsor a child" program. "See this kid in some third world African village is getting part of your allowance"
I never got that experience. Everyone in my area had no lawn, or had a service come and do it. To many people afraid of some kid hurting themselves while mowing their law.
Yeach them communism. Promise them $10. When they're done beat them, break their piggy bank, steal what they have. Beat them again, and refuse them dinner.
This is why every kid should have to work a crap job for at least two years before going to college. Everyone's a socialist until they get their first paycheck.
Fuck that, don't give it to their sibling, give it to their worst enemies. Because that's what it's actually like. The government takes your money by force and gives it to people who want to genocide you.
This isn’t true. It’s not that they don’t know how it works. They know full well that’s how it works and they just want to be the one getting the money for not working.
Yes and if they cry about it, take away their ability to speak and call them a racist. Also, don't forget to follow Lenin's advice and lock the doors so they can't vote with their feet. Bug their rooms, starve a few of them and throw a few more into the worker camps you have setup in your back yard.
Tell your kids to go out and collect cans along the road. Take the money they earned from returning the cans. And pay your best friend to clean the bathroom using the money you took from your kids.
Or maybe teach them the right way and make them consider themselves thankful for a roof over their head. Allowance and paying children for chores is a fucking stupid exorcise and results in this stupid thinking.
I'd never pay my children for doing bullshit work on things that they themselves are the reason for needing the task.
I see where you're coming from, but when your kid is young, isn't a reward system exactly how you teach them right from wrong? You instill a habit on a young mind with something they can easily perceive or associate value to(in a young mind's case, mostly physical value) so that they'll think 'If I do X, I get a reward' so they'll be more incentivized to do it without a fuss. And then later on you wean them off the material reward and teach them how it just feels good to do the right thing.
Not to mention, allowance allows your kid to learn how to manage money at a basic level. Make them consider long term vs short term purchases, e.g. "Get that ice cream now or save up to get that videogame sooner"
You really think that'll stick with a child that can't make heads or tails of any but the most rudimentary lessons? "I got my ass beat for cleaning my room, guess I shouldn't do that ever again"
I mean, nah. Children learn things differently and slower as well. An adult can understand the nuances of why he was punished for doing the right thing, but assuming a 'good' upbringing he can disconnect the 'right thing' from the 'bad feedback' he got from it. A child can't.
The whole point of balancing positive and negative reinforcement is to incentivize 'accepted' behaviors and discourage 'unaccepted' behaviors. "If I do X good thing, I get Y good thing as a reward; if I do Z bad thing, I get W bad thing as punishment".
Don't forget that children are literal smoothbrains. They are physically the equivalent of a blank slate. The only things they 'get' before they are educated are the most basal things inscribed in their DNA and some associations to stimulus they're exposed to during gestation.
If you beat a kid's ass for cleaning their room, or taking out the trash or whatever, their mind will associate 'cleaning the room' or 'taking out the trash' with pain. Pain is also the way we tell ourselves 'stop doing whatever you're doing and gtfo/don't do it again' because it's a physical warning sign. It's one of the ways of generating fear - the instinctual/psychological equivalent of pain. We're wired to want to avoid pain, and fear is what we use to gauge perceived danger.
As a 5 year old, if you do your homework and get beat up by your mother with no other sign to be taken from it - are YOU gonna want to do your homework again? Most likely not, because your mind's just learned to associate 'doing your homework' with 'getting your ass beat', therefore doing your homework causes you pain, and as such becomes something to be avoided.
Educating a child is a lot like training a puppy. Reward good habits and they'll repeat; punish bad habits and they will stop. Too much of either one can result in either a spoiled or traumatized child, but therein lies the challenge of educating a child. Eventually you transition from material gratification to emotional gratification, and then to moral gratification. As sedentary/indulgent as it sounds, we all function on a system of reward and punishment. Said rewards and punishments can change over time but they are still that.
Maybe if they do big things like paint or mow the lawn or something vital, but really what are the neighbors for? I made all sorts of cash and dropped 800 dollars on a computer when I was 9 years old. My parents paid for absolutely none of it.
This is all wrong. True socialism would be more like, pay them 10 dollars, take 7, give 20 cents to their sibling who didn't work, then give 100 dollars to yourself. Then tell your child the 3 dollars they kept is now only worth 1 dollar because you had to inflate the currency to pay down the debt you created paying yourself. Then you tell the non-working sibling that they only got 20 cents because the working child is greedy and wouldn't share.
And if you want it to be environmental socialism, tell your kid they need to use special green cleaners on the bathroom, which the child has to buy themselves and which cost 10x what normal cleaners cost. Oh and by the way, your uncle's store down the road is the only place to buy them.
Don't forget 10% for the big guy.
My father did something like this, but he sent the money to some "sponsor a child" program. "See this kid in some third world African village is getting part of your allowance"
My dad was similarly based.
When I was 13 years old, I was using the family lawn mower to make $5.00 per mow in the neighborhood.
My father would tap the calculator once a month and show me his cost for gas, insurance, and maintenance.
I gave my father $1.00 per mow.
Best Dad ever.
I never got that experience. Everyone in my area had no lawn, or had a service come and do it. To many people afraid of some kid hurting themselves while mowing their law.
Yeach them communism. Promise them $10. When they're done beat them, break their piggy bank, steal what they have. Beat them again, and refuse them dinner.
But the sibling might.
Yeah. This is how my parents created my brother. Now he's 48 and huffs paint while waiting for his next check.
This is why every kid should have to work a crap job for at least two years before going to college. Everyone's a socialist until they get their first paycheck.
And then take it all away and you have communism/globalism.
I bet if you just explain to them that they're sibling was "systemically disadvantaged" it'd be fine.
Fuck that, don't give it to their sibling, give it to their worst enemies. Because that's what it's actually like. The government takes your money by force and gives it to people who want to genocide you.
Then do it again, and this time take only 5 dollars, and say see, this is America, much better.
If you show this to a lefty, they'll just cry "institutionalized REEEEcism".
Don't give it to the sibling. Put it in an envelope addressed to some gender study program in Pakistan.
This isn’t true. It’s not that they don’t know how it works. They know full well that’s how it works and they just want to be the one getting the money for not working.
I'll raise him to be national socialist and to love and defend the purity of the white race at all costs.
hah, commies dont have kids
Yes and if they cry about it, take away their ability to speak and call them a racist. Also, don't forget to follow Lenin's advice and lock the doors so they can't vote with their feet. Bug their rooms, starve a few of them and throw a few more into the worker camps you have setup in your back yard.
Equality achieved comrades!
Tell your kids to go out and collect cans along the road. Take the money they earned from returning the cans. And pay your best friend to clean the bathroom using the money you took from your kids.
Or maybe teach them the right way and make them consider themselves thankful for a roof over their head. Allowance and paying children for chores is a fucking stupid exorcise and results in this stupid thinking.
I'd never pay my children for doing bullshit work on things that they themselves are the reason for needing the task.
I see where you're coming from, but when your kid is young, isn't a reward system exactly how you teach them right from wrong? You instill a habit on a young mind with something they can easily perceive or associate value to(in a young mind's case, mostly physical value) so that they'll think 'If I do X, I get a reward' so they'll be more incentivized to do it without a fuss. And then later on you wean them off the material reward and teach them how it just feels good to do the right thing.
Not to mention, allowance allows your kid to learn how to manage money at a basic level. Make them consider long term vs short term purchases, e.g. "Get that ice cream now or save up to get that videogame sooner"
the most real lesson of real life is to be punished for doing the good&correct thing
You really think that'll stick with a child that can't make heads or tails of any but the most rudimentary lessons? "I got my ass beat for cleaning my room, guess I shouldn't do that ever again"
adults are just old children, theres no real adults
everyone learns eventually
you learned it too
I mean, nah. Children learn things differently and slower as well. An adult can understand the nuances of why he was punished for doing the right thing, but assuming a 'good' upbringing he can disconnect the 'right thing' from the 'bad feedback' he got from it. A child can't.
children 'get it' and are usually pretty based🤷♂️
The whole point of balancing positive and negative reinforcement is to incentivize 'accepted' behaviors and discourage 'unaccepted' behaviors. "If I do X good thing, I get Y good thing as a reward; if I do Z bad thing, I get W bad thing as punishment".
Don't forget that children are literal smoothbrains. They are physically the equivalent of a blank slate. The only things they 'get' before they are educated are the most basal things inscribed in their DNA and some associations to stimulus they're exposed to during gestation.
If you beat a kid's ass for cleaning their room, or taking out the trash or whatever, their mind will associate 'cleaning the room' or 'taking out the trash' with pain. Pain is also the way we tell ourselves 'stop doing whatever you're doing and gtfo/don't do it again' because it's a physical warning sign. It's one of the ways of generating fear - the instinctual/psychological equivalent of pain. We're wired to want to avoid pain, and fear is what we use to gauge perceived danger.
As a 5 year old, if you do your homework and get beat up by your mother with no other sign to be taken from it - are YOU gonna want to do your homework again? Most likely not, because your mind's just learned to associate 'doing your homework' with 'getting your ass beat', therefore doing your homework causes you pain, and as such becomes something to be avoided.
Educating a child is a lot like training a puppy. Reward good habits and they'll repeat; punish bad habits and they will stop. Too much of either one can result in either a spoiled or traumatized child, but therein lies the challenge of educating a child. Eventually you transition from material gratification to emotional gratification, and then to moral gratification. As sedentary/indulgent as it sounds, we all function on a system of reward and punishment. Said rewards and punishments can change over time but they are still that.
Both approaches have their merits. But kids do need to have a little money for themselves so they can start learning how to manage it.
Maybe if they do big things like paint or mow the lawn or something vital, but really what are the neighbors for? I made all sorts of cash and dropped 800 dollars on a computer when I was 9 years old. My parents paid for absolutely none of it.