Don't forget the main reason capitalism has reduced world poverty:
Because it provides all crucial ingredients to improve lives.
Financial compensation for being brilliant. Leads people to innovate.
The destruction of you and everything you own if your product sucks and nobody buys it. Leads people to make good, high quality inventions.
Competition on the market. Leads prices to go down and spurs on innovation and quality of your invention. Especially ensuring the reduction of production costs, reduction of wastefulness, and increase of quality. It chops the slop.
It motivates brilliant people from all classes to get off their ass and do something to climb the income ladder. Rather than just sitting on their ass and collecting welfare.
The richer a company gets, the more it can manufacture the product and provide it to the world, if the world asks for it.
Bad products die and stop being manufactured, leading to the reallocation of those resources into better products.
The increased manufacturing efficiency, high product quality and low prices of "peak capitalism" products leads to the commodification of good living. It means everyone in the world can be provided with items that increase their quality of life. Like the phones the left uses to bitch at the people who built the world.
Whereas communism/socialism only offers "1 state owned model of everything and each is shit, and nobody is motivated to innovate since there is no incentive".
God I fucking hate the left and their lack of brains.
Or as Pederella brilliantly summed it up in a reply: "Capitalism is the ultimate meritocracy, thus their loathing of it."
If anything destroys capitalism it’s going to be the lack of competition. Arguably we don’t have a free market when it comes to a number of different things. Like health care prices are secret and rigged.
What will kill capitalism is the abuse of capitalism, which leads to communists and socialists getting into positions of power, then the real abuse starts.
What you're talking about is the abuse of capitalism. We used to combat it, see: robber barons and anti-trust laws.
Some could. I'm not sure I agree, I see it more as a cycle, as long as there are checks and measures in place, and enforced. Which we don't seem to have right now.
But I will always be pro-capitalist, because the alternatives are unacceptable and incompatible with human nature and progress.
The fact that politicians in both parties support replacing the American population to sustain GDP growth really says something about their priorities. We're a means to an end for them. Fathers, mothers, Americans. We're all "workers" to them.
Morality and culture really shouldn't be in the realm of your economic system. They should be reinforced by educational and family systems. Hence why the Marxists attack those so hard.
Define free trade. You can trade internally just fine. And is international free trade actually free if another country can manipulate markets artificially with impunity? No, it’s not.
At this point, nothing can destroy capitalism since there simply isn't a better replacement for it. Any country that doesn't adopt capitalism simply becomes uncompetitive in the global economy and simply fails economically.
It's deeper than just an "economic system", it's a philosophy that lifted us out of poverty and unleashed the creative energy of individuals. The freedom to choose your path, to say NO when you don't want to participate and not be killed or exiled for it. To own your own body. To live for your sake, not everyone else's. This is why Communists or Marxists hate it, because they need people to believe they are just a mere expendable cog in the machine. This is the reason they are getting funded by powerful people, because the "4th Industrial Revolution" or "Great Reset" won't work as well when people know they have the power to just say "Meh, idk. I think I'm just gonna keep on living my own life, thanks bye".
Capitalism is not even necessarily conservative.
Capitalism led us to the trash pile we're in now.
Rich corporations selling out our own citizens. Shipping our jobs overseas. Moving all of manufacturing to China. Lobbying for mass immigration and more work visas to undercut American wages and increase our housing prices.
Capitalists are the ones who lobbied to get women out of the home and into the workplace to further reduce our wages and destroy the traditional family unit.
Conservatives shouldn't be worshipping Capitalism. What people should be debating is Nationalism vs Globalism. because Globalist capitalism is not conservative at all
Shipping of jobs overseas was enabled by government overreach, not only for the act itself, but the insane laws and regulations that made it stupidly expensive to operate here if you want to. Illegal aliens being able to work here is another. None of that is Capitalism’s fault, it’s called corruption. Women getting out of the home has affected family life but that is also a separate conversation. Ladies entering the workforce would have been akin to a population boom and been adjusted for decades ago. What actually depressed wages was illegal aliens working for slave wages and the federal reserve causing perpetual slave debt and inflation.
Lobbying needs to stop existing. I understand there's a historical backdrop for why it came into being, but nowadays it's nothing short of bribery from companies to the state.
The destruction of you and everything you own if your product sucks and nobody buys it.
Small businesses failing and shutting down can be sad for the owners and patrons for sure, but it is a necessity in an economic system where scare resources must reach destinations that maximize their potential. This system consequently has the greatest collective benefit to those engaging in it.
But smoothbrains devolved it into "business owners are evil and should be punished for being evil."
Well done reminder recap. One suggestion: dont waste your hate on the left. Its like hating the mentally retarded. Focus it, if you must elsewhere, like on the puppet masters. Their minions (lack of brains left) will crumble once the puppet masters are disabled. There is the real evil in this world.
A lot of those companies got to where they are (partly) thanks to government introducing regulation to help ensure new competition is dead in the water.
Capitalism alone isn't enough though that's right, that handles the economic elements, you still need a moral code and nuclear families etc to cover the social side. I'd argue this is a big part of what's destroying the US, and what has allowed some countries like Poland to remain relatively based despite their government being big on welfare.
I'd argue limiting market share of large companies is entirely fair as it can be argued from a capitalistic point of view, economics does cover company size and it's quite clear a lot of smaller businesses competing are better for consumers than an oligopoly or worse yet a monopoly.
For businesses it of course isn't 1:1, there are big advantages in being an oligopoly or monopoly, although efficiency and workplace culture can suffer as a result - no competition in a specialized field would force people qualified in it to work for you or retrain, so you can get away with being less appealing to potential employees.
No shit sherlock. It’s like barely glancing at a manual and then claiming the manual sucks because you can’t get your new shit to work. If something isn’t being followed it can’t be declared at fault.
Lefturds don't understand what words mean, they just puke them out according to their programming. If they actually had to live under communism, they'd snap and kill themselves en masse. Hmmm, wait a second...
The parasite class will always say that. In their evil, selfish myopia, they believe that any system that doesn't heavily incentivize parasitism is a failure. Because it's all about them, they don't care how well a system functions unless it allows them to be lazy, worthless, and idle.
It's a profoundly immoral worldview. And it's why every functioning society in all of human history has never tolerated useless eaters.
I only hate them because they choose to push diversity is our strength crap and force election fraud down my throat. I would love capitalism if it would stay out of politics but right now capitalism is failing. It is censoring and pushing a leftist view point at every chance it gets.
In some cases. But racism is a phenomenon that existed before academies. The powerful just amplify it and exploit it. Overcoming racialism is an achievement. An ideal. Just like America's founding was. The natural order throughout history was NEVER to put power into the hands of the citizens until then.
People being allowed to capture government happens because too much of the population is too ignorant and unaware of what to do to prevent it though. If everyone who allowed this was voted out of office by people who weren’t distracted by stupid crap about racism then it wouldn’t be happening. Monopolies would be broken up etc.
Those are still capitalists.Capitalists invented and funded communism.There are greedy capitalists who have seen how to exploit the system and destroy all competitor.
The corporate statists are still capitalists who found a way to gain more power by influencing the government to his advantage over his competition. You can call them "bad capitalists" and I would agree with you but saying that they are not capitalists is a cope.
Capitalism is a top-down ecosystem involving the health and prosperity of middle and lower-class participants. Anything less is slavery. Corporate statists are the government, and their government is socialist.
Rockefeller's and Rothschild's are part of the governments they lord over, alongside many other aristocratic despots. These people haven't even paid their dues. They were born into wealth and privilege like members of the Royal Family.
Corporate statists are globalists who financed the rise of the NSDAP, the Third Reich, profited off of the Holocaust, and provided escape routes into most if not all governments around the world. Weren't some commies trying to topple this regime long before the 1st and 2nd WW?
Corporate statists are still capitalists. They didn't finance the rise of the NSDAP; they wanted to take over it before Hitler blindsided them and set up a National bank for German interests. They profited over the Holocaust Narrative because Israel was created and Many Jewish organizations started replacing and overpowering White-centric or Christian-centric organizations in western nations. The globalists also financed the CCP.
Commies came during the 1890's-That was when people from Frankfurt school were pursued from Germany. Commies also came after the Bolshevik revolution and Commies also came after WW2.
If corporate statists are capitalists, then the Soviet commies were capitalists too. One is the "great equalizer" which seizes the means of production by force, the other owns the means of production and controls and tyrannizes your use of it through the elimination of the middle class via restrictions and other wicked acts of coercion.
Ethical capitalism that still favors national interests and affords some worker/citizen rights and disallows monopolies to form. (See Silicon valley being able to effectively set up a monopoly on public discorse).
You're right on the money though that unlimited capitalism will always favor open borders and importing people to work for less.
I’ve come to resent capitalism over the past few years. I know I’m going to catch flak for saying that, but am I wrong to believe it? Am I wrong to resent the system that has given unlimited power to global finance and the degenerate elite? That literally sold the traditional family structure down a river by encouraging women to join the workforce rather than look after their own children? That encourages 3rd world immigration for cheap labor while displacing the native population? That encourages us to work harder for ever-diminishing returns? Am I wrong to think that way?
No you aren't wrong. Modern conservative's idea of private property and free enterprise are missing crucial things like nationalism, morality, and the supremacy of state authority which were all integral to the Founders' economic thought.
The constitution and really our entire system was created for a nation of rural White Christian farmers. Countries with demographics like America today tend to be ruled by dictators, military despots, or dysfunctional parliaments.
That is what most people here don’t get.I have discovered that most conservatives don’t want to conserve anything except liberalism and I have also seen that countries with demographics of America are hardly great and stable countries.
It wasn't made for white people because there is no white people. Those who mentioned such things back then were referring to members of their former European tribe and current allied tribes who were running from persecution or for something new. Ever heard of the highland clearances?
Never in history has "white people" as a group existed and it never will, just like a Japanese man, a Malaysian man, and a Thai man will never be the same thing. The Irish and Italians were treated like subhuman dogshit in the USA for 100+ years by English-descended Americans and others - why? Because Europe isn't the land of white people. It's the land of dozens of tribes that have been at each other's throats for 2000 years that happen to share relatively similar skin tones. Those same skin tones can be found in North Africa, most of the Middle East, and parts of India, and they are all technically white. But that's not who some of the founders were referring to.
You're conflating sub-racial distinctions with racial distinctions. Northwestern Germanic Europeans were seen as the purest Whites. The rest of Europe was still White, and light Berbers, Jews, and other Middle Easterners could qualify as White too (but more-so just Caucasoid).
Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.
—Benjamin Franklin
We didn't have the benefit of genetic studies back then; even the classic stuff like skull shape was still relatively new. But, besides that, there was no organized, foreign effort to attack the whole mass of White Europeans, so naturally other categories like nations and religions received more attention.
The point is there were and are marked distinctions that never lent to a monolithic grouping of "white people" in common parlance/understanding. The mass grouping of Europeans into "white people" is unscientific and a construct of marxist bullshit. If people want to get their panties in a twist about something useless idiots came up with, namely the absolutely retarded notion that people in the 21st century are mainly separated into tribes by a handful of skin tones, that's on them. Those who use their brains should have nothing to do with it.
What you resent is not Capitalism but rather the wonders of Socialist Progressivism granting Corporate Personhood and thus protecting the degenerate elites from being directly responsible for their dubious actions.
But if a free and open market is what gave those corporations the opportunity to rise in power and restrict the market to benefit themselves, is that not an inherent flaw in capitalism itself?
That's a flaw in government which has too much power. Capitalism just says you own your own means of production. What you produce is yours to sell. As a worker you sell your skills as a units of time. If you make music, you own your music and may sell it. It is not owned by a collective. Not does anyone have a right to your production. You cannot be forced to provide your skills or music. Thus the free market. Layer in contractual law etc.. But introduce gooberment that can tip the balance with monopolistic powers.. And you get manipulated markets and fascism etc..
A system that allows for abuse and subversion is still a flawed system. I appreciate what a free market does for entrepreneurs and small family-owned businesses, but it has also allowed certain corporations to grow large enough to manipulate the market and the government for their benefit and their benefit alone.
Nobody claimed capitalism isn't flawed. And, as I stated, we've had to reign in or stomp flat excessive abuses of it in the past - like we really, really need now, but our government is failing to do.
Half of the purchases by companies like Disney should have been blocked because of their monopolistic power they get. But our Congress and Fed just rubber stamp it all.
The federal lobbying system is the worst of it all. In any other circumstance, giving millions of dollars to government officials so they promote policies that are beneficial to you and your organization would be considered bribery. Add in a middleman and all of a sudden it’s just legal lobbying.
The Federal Reserve notwithstanding, the Western capitalist system in the last 200 years HAS been deficient, in that it does not adequately account for important kinds of capital / property - e.g. commons, personal reputation, voting rights
No, but they can print off money. Who is to say they don't print off money without us knowing and fund their operations?
This is likely why Germany went on to creating a currency based on human labor, their economy and country did a 180 degree flip and had mass prosperity within a few years.
Edit, re-reading your comment. Yes you are right, they print the worthless money, they don't create the actual real capital of human labor.
Corporatism is basically socialism for big businesses. Capitalism works because it promotes competition, disruptive innovation, private property, and distributive networks. All of those are existential threats to big businesses, cabals, and monopolies.
At it's essence, capitalism is "Hey, you have delicious looking apples, can I trade you some eggs for them?" If they say no, you can go to another person with an apple tree and try to offer the same deal.
As more people make deals for apples, the guys in the valley to the north who have no apple trees but have a lot of wood, will build wagons to travel to the southern valley to trade lumber for apples.
Barter, yes. But it's the basis of capitalism. Adding currency only makes it more efficient and mobile. Someone wants something you have, and offers you something for it, be it actual items, or currency. And, to lean into the actual definition of capitalism, you own the tree, and the apples, not the State. You can eat the apples, or sell them.
Well isn't that why we have regulations to prevent monopolies and bust up trusts. Plus it's pretty hard to actually corner a market without Government help.
It sounds like it's the government and its regulations that are promoting competition in that case, not capitalism.
51% of a market will always have a shared incentive to suppress the other 49%, but the first thing private actors collaborate toward is influencing the government to help further their common interests.
Do we really have capitalism here when the majority of good solid jobs have been lost to overseas and that the majority of our imports are from overseas, including Communist China? Is this Capitalism? If it is, it certainly HAS failed us as an independent American people.
I don't like the capitalism worship. The free market has allowed these companies to be much more powerful than the government the government essentially became an arm of the corporations. These transnational, post national global corporations who don't see themselves as American who have no allegiance to this country but influence our policies and our laws.
Are we capitalist still? Seems like we live in a fascist state with a twist. The twist is that the corporations run the government rather than the government running the corporations?
What the purple haired freaks don't realize is that what they voted for is not socialism.... it's actually Corporate Globalism... which is also actually why some markets are broken. So, they are wrong on both the cause and the solution to the supposed problem. And they have voted/supported the problem they complain about to begin with...
For me It was realizing the left has no care for real empiricism. Its concerned mainly with appealing to a person's vanity. It delivers the ability to claim intelligence simply by party association.
For me, it was constantly being 'judged' and 'looked down upon' by the so called oppressed groups. I was told over and over again the oppressed groups are saints. I am also part of an oppressed group and the other oppressed groups would judge me harder than any straight white Christian male over and over again all while claiming they were pure of heart. It took about 20 times before I could see it though because the narrative is so strong.
Just reading really, sokal affair, reproduction crisis, wage gap myth and etc.
Silent spring, effects of ddt, race crime statistics never being plainly stated due to feelings.
Its an endless list -- the left is endlessly aiming to create their own reality and create a utopia. Its just not a line of thought I find reasonable or that I think is historically accurate.
These, to me, are the people who would have suggested lobotomies, chemically castrating homosexuals, and hysteria in different eras. Just regular fucking people listening to regular fucking 'experts'. Its always been experts and they dont seem to get that.
If you want to take up bullshit as a hobby, you can go wrong with "fashionable nonsense" or "the apocalytpics"
If you can make capitalism better and or find a system that’s better for the advancement of humanity and individual liberty I would be interested in listening. No, socialism, communism, or anything derivative of Marxism is not better than capitalism and is not an improvement of individual liberty.
The people who overthrew the USA and took rights away from the people are the heads of large businesses. If you think about it, you must admit that there are also problems with the free market.
Free market capitalism is forbidden, thats why leftist controlled government creates laws to banning gasoline vehicles, subsidize green energy, force consumers spending money on red-tape regulations, coerce consumers into experimental big pharma drugs, give legal protection to corporations. Corporations form fascist partnerships with government to be protected from any forms of regulations, while screwing we the people, with claims it is driven by 'capitalism'.
Yeah, I would kind of like to know what part of free market capitalism would have government financed schools that teach kids socialism bullshit, and have government spending consistently over 40% of GDP, and have ten generations of government debt saddled on our kids, and have this debt financed by a state imposed central bank that inflates bubbles all the time with artificially low interest rates.
Mourn with me, pedes. The number is actually (and this is 100% not reported on CNN) back up to 10%, because of the CCP Virus lockdowns around the world.
100 million people (!) were put back into extreme poverty in order to save 92 year old great uncles in the USA, then Cuomo killed them anyway.
Just as a side note, the way some countries measure ‘poverty’ is a fucking joke. It should be measured by purchasing power of vital goods and services: food, clothing, fuel, utilities, etc. In the UK, for example, it’s measured as a percentage of the median income, so if everything with the economy went really well and goods and services came down in price by 20%, the amount of people ‘in poverty’ wouldn’t change.
How do we compare extreme Poverty 200 years ago with extreme Poverty today? I'm just interested with how we add tech advances into the equation. I'm right of Reagan so don't come at me for this, I'm just legit interested on how we judge extreme Poverty in 1820 to extreme Poverty today. Like what are the parameters because I e seen this meme a couple of times and not sure how I would use that fact and then have comebacks for that inevitable question that'll come from my demonrat "friends"
Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin. The economics are not the main reason why third and first-world nations exist, the demographics that make up the populations can be a huge indicator as to how competent and efficient the well-being of the nation including its economy can be. Obviously you can still critique the likes of socialism and capitalism no matter what the situation is, but I wouldn't say it's entirely based off of the economic systems.
There are some issues with capitalism. Private companies need to be held accountable and allow free speech and not have censorship. But it;s a WHOLE LOT better than socialism
People are just not good judges of relative numbers or perspectives. We all know this to be the case but it's hard to really understand the scope of it. There are people that think if all your needs aren't met then they are enduring suffering on par with living in a gulag except when actually experience a gulag these people couldn't understand people getting excited over receiving bread and butter. People just can't actually empathize with hypotheticals. Oh boy do they think they can but those same people are scoffing at the most abundant and well treated time in human history. To them, capitalism failed because of some needling decadent bullshit that their very own ancestors would have fought in died for at the mere possibility of getting.
"Capitalism has failed!"
They say on their AT&T network using an Apple iPhone on Twitter while wearing Nike shoes inside their leased Honda civic
Don't forget the main reason capitalism has reduced world poverty:
Because it provides all crucial ingredients to improve lives.
Financial compensation for being brilliant. Leads people to innovate.
The destruction of you and everything you own if your product sucks and nobody buys it. Leads people to make good, high quality inventions.
Competition on the market. Leads prices to go down and spurs on innovation and quality of your invention. Especially ensuring the reduction of production costs, reduction of wastefulness, and increase of quality. It chops the slop.
It motivates brilliant people from all classes to get off their ass and do something to climb the income ladder. Rather than just sitting on their ass and collecting welfare.
The richer a company gets, the more it can manufacture the product and provide it to the world, if the world asks for it.
Bad products die and stop being manufactured, leading to the reallocation of those resources into better products.
The increased manufacturing efficiency, high product quality and low prices of "peak capitalism" products leads to the commodification of good living. It means everyone in the world can be provided with items that increase their quality of life. Like the phones the left uses to bitch at the people who built the world.
Whereas communism/socialism only offers "1 state owned model of everything and each is shit, and nobody is motivated to innovate since there is no incentive".
God I fucking hate the left and their lack of brains.
Or as Pederella brilliantly summed it up in a reply: "Capitalism is the ultimate meritocracy, thus their loathing of it."
If anything destroys capitalism it’s going to be the lack of competition. Arguably we don’t have a free market when it comes to a number of different things. Like health care prices are secret and rigged.
What will kill capitalism is the abuse of capitalism, which leads to communists and socialists getting into positions of power, then the real abuse starts.
What you're talking about is the abuse of capitalism. We used to combat it, see: robber barons and anti-trust laws.
Some argue that corporate oligarchies are the end result of capitalism.
Some could. I'm not sure I agree, I see it more as a cycle, as long as there are checks and measures in place, and enforced. Which we don't seem to have right now.
But I will always be pro-capitalist, because the alternatives are unacceptable and incompatible with human nature and progress.
Those people are unstable halfwits that live on welfare and wont go outside in fear of the flu and dont know what sex they are.
Yeah because you really will never invest work creativity and time into something if there are no means of retaining your IP. Government is necessary.
Not sure but I’m sure if I were to look up regulations I’d find regulatory capture. At the very least the government isn’t stopping this either.
What's destroyed capitalism is that it values money, GDP growth, etc over morality and culture.
When Khrushchev said the capitalists would sell them the rope they hang them with, he was right.
The fact that politicians in both parties support replacing the American population to sustain GDP growth really says something about their priorities. We're a means to an end for them. Fathers, mothers, Americans. We're all "workers" to them.
Morality and culture really shouldn't be in the realm of your economic system. They should be reinforced by educational and family systems. Hence why the Marxists attack those so hard.
Capitalism is system if finance and trade, not one of government, religion or morality. The issues you listed have nothing to do with it.
Can't have international free trade without open borders.
Define free trade. You can trade internally just fine. And is international free trade actually free if another country can manipulate markets artificially with impunity? No, it’s not.
At this point, nothing can destroy capitalism since there simply isn't a better replacement for it. Any country that doesn't adopt capitalism simply becomes uncompetitive in the global economy and simply fails economically.
Capitalism is the ultimate meritocracy, thus their loathing of it.
It's deeper than just an "economic system", it's a philosophy that lifted us out of poverty and unleashed the creative energy of individuals. The freedom to choose your path, to say NO when you don't want to participate and not be killed or exiled for it. To own your own body. To live for your sake, not everyone else's. This is why Communists or Marxists hate it, because they need people to believe they are just a mere expendable cog in the machine. This is the reason they are getting funded by powerful people, because the "4th Industrial Revolution" or "Great Reset" won't work as well when people know they have the power to just say "Meh, idk. I think I'm just gonna keep on living my own life, thanks bye".
Capitalism is not even necessarily conservative.
Capitalism led us to the trash pile we're in now.
Rich corporations selling out our own citizens. Shipping our jobs overseas. Moving all of manufacturing to China. Lobbying for mass immigration and more work visas to undercut American wages and increase our housing prices.
Capitalists are the ones who lobbied to get women out of the home and into the workplace to further reduce our wages and destroy the traditional family unit.
Conservatives shouldn't be worshipping Capitalism. What people should be debating is Nationalism vs Globalism. because Globalist capitalism is not conservative at all
Shipping of jobs overseas was enabled by government overreach, not only for the act itself, but the insane laws and regulations that made it stupidly expensive to operate here if you want to. Illegal aliens being able to work here is another. None of that is Capitalism’s fault, it’s called corruption. Women getting out of the home has affected family life but that is also a separate conversation. Ladies entering the workforce would have been akin to a population boom and been adjusted for decades ago. What actually depressed wages was illegal aliens working for slave wages and the federal reserve causing perpetual slave debt and inflation.
Lobbying needs to stop existing. I understand there's a historical backdrop for why it came into being, but nowadays it's nothing short of bribery from companies to the state.
Capitalism is a tool not a religion.log of conservatives take it as a religion.
Capitalism is so great that when you need four crucial components you actually get seven
Capitalism needs to attack Dominion.
Small businesses failing and shutting down can be sad for the owners and patrons for sure, but it is a necessity in an economic system where scare resources must reach destinations that maximize their potential. This system consequently has the greatest collective benefit to those engaging in it.
But smoothbrains devolved it into "business owners are evil and should be punished for being evil."
Well done reminder recap. One suggestion: dont waste your hate on the left. Its like hating the mentally retarded. Focus it, if you must elsewhere, like on the puppet masters. Their minions (lack of brains left) will crumble once the puppet masters are disabled. There is the real evil in this world.
Thanks for that reminder. The puppet masters are the whole reason the sheep are so misled.
They should be saying fiat money has failed as it has artificially increased housing, healthcare, and education prices relative to wages.
Is capitalism really that great if people are reliant on AT&T, Apple, and Twitter for basic utilities and public speech?
Not arguing for the gov to take control. Just something for conservatives to think about.
A lot of those companies got to where they are (partly) thanks to government introducing regulation to help ensure new competition is dead in the water.
Capitalism alone isn't enough though that's right, that handles the economic elements, you still need a moral code and nuclear families etc to cover the social side. I'd argue this is a big part of what's destroying the US, and what has allowed some countries like Poland to remain relatively based despite their government being big on welfare.
I'd argue limiting market share of large companies is entirely fair as it can be argued from a capitalistic point of view, economics does cover company size and it's quite clear a lot of smaller businesses competing are better for consumers than an oligopoly or worse yet a monopoly.
For businesses it of course isn't 1:1, there are big advantages in being an oligopoly or monopoly, although efficiency and workplace culture can suffer as a result - no competition in a specialized field would force people qualified in it to work for you or retrain, so you can get away with being less appealing to potential employees.
ItS a PrIvAtE cOmPaNy
Government has an insured that those entities have no actual competition, therefore capitalism cannot be blamed because it isn’t being practiced.
"Not real capitalism"
No shit sherlock. It’s like barely glancing at a manual and then claiming the manual sucks because you can’t get your new shit to work. If something isn’t being followed it can’t be declared at fault.
They have useless degrees too and expect people like me who paid off their loans to bail them out.
Lefturds don't understand what words mean, they just puke them out according to their programming. If they actually had to live under communism, they'd snap and kill themselves en masse. Hmmm, wait a second...
We figured it out. Trannies ARE indeed communists.
The parasite class will always say that. In their evil, selfish myopia, they believe that any system that doesn't heavily incentivize parasitism is a failure. Because it's all about them, they don't care how well a system functions unless it allows them to be lazy, worthless, and idle.
It's a profoundly immoral worldview. And it's why every functioning society in all of human history has never tolerated useless eaters.
People I hate have more money than me
People have more money than me therefore I hate them.
if only these people realized envy was a sin
and lust
and pride
BuT mAh 'luV wInZ'!
I only hate them because they choose to push diversity is our strength crap and force election fraud down my throat. I would love capitalism if it would stay out of politics but right now capitalism is failing. It is censoring and pushing a leftist view point at every chance it gets.
I think what you hate is cronyism and corruption.
Which exists regardless of the economic system.
Or
Then why are the ones with the most money the ones creating the hate?
There are poor people pushing hate as well. It's not limited to the wealthy.
Are they not just pushing what they've been brainwashed to believe?
In some cases. But racism is a phenomenon that existed before academies. The powerful just amplify it and exploit it. Overcoming racialism is an achievement. An ideal. Just like America's founding was. The natural order throughout history was NEVER to put power into the hands of the citizens until then.
Nope.That is not true.we will never overcome racialism because we are humans and humans are tribal beings.
Tribes form based on religion, ideology, location, etc. not just ethnicity.
TRibes are always based on ethnicity. That is the most normal and default way of looking at things; any other way is abnormal and unnatural.
“It only works for certain people, while the rest of us are fighting over the scraps, barely able to sustain a quality of life!!”
— From my Iphone
As I get diabetes from overeating cheap easily available calories.
The situation we’re in now is quite literally a result of capitalism
The situation we're in right now is the result of corruption tainting capitalism.
These are not free markets. And the Ponzi starts at the very top.
Someone became successful and decided they could buy influence in our government to make policies that hurt competition.
Capitalism played a role at least in the corruption we see today
Hey imagine that if you mix corruption with any institution you can blame the institution instead of the corruption
The institution is inherently corruptible.
Which ones aren't? I'll wait.
Cartels exist to eliminate competition. The Cartels now use the world's government for this purpose.
That is not capitalism. It is a corruption of capitalism.
People being allowed to capture government happens because too much of the population is too ignorant and unaware of what to do to prevent it though. If everyone who allowed this was voted out of office by people who weren’t distracted by stupid crap about racism then it wouldn’t be happening. Monopolies would be broken up etc.
Prominent capitalists also want open borders and other such trash policies. I wouldn't be defending it, fellow Pedes
"Not real capitalism" incoming
Those aren't capitalists. They are corrupt cronyists who leach off and distort the free markets for their own benefit.
Those are still capitalists.Capitalists invented and funded communism.There are greedy capitalists who have seen how to exploit the system and destroy all competitor.
Corporate statists invented and funded communism, fascism, socialism, and the worst humanity has to offer. Free-market capitalism all or none.
The corporate statists are still capitalists who found a way to gain more power by influencing the government to his advantage over his competition. You can call them "bad capitalists" and I would agree with you but saying that they are not capitalists is a cope.
Capitalism is a top-down ecosystem involving the health and prosperity of middle and lower-class participants. Anything less is slavery. Corporate statists are the government, and their government is socialist.
is Rockefeller and Rostchilds part of the Government or do they lord over the Governments of the world?
Every economic system has faults. Corporate statists are still capitalists who are engaging in the dark arts.
Rockefeller's and Rothschild's are part of the governments they lord over, alongside many other aristocratic despots. These people haven't even paid their dues. They were born into wealth and privilege like members of the Royal Family.
Corporate statists didn't invent fascism. They just sided with them before they realized that the fascists were smarter than the communist faggots.
Corporate statists are globalists who financed the rise of the NSDAP, the Third Reich, profited off of the Holocaust, and provided escape routes into most if not all governments around the world. Weren't some commies trying to topple this regime long before the 1st and 2nd WW?
Corporate statists are still capitalists. They didn't finance the rise of the NSDAP; they wanted to take over it before Hitler blindsided them and set up a National bank for German interests. They profited over the Holocaust Narrative because Israel was created and Many Jewish organizations started replacing and overpowering White-centric or Christian-centric organizations in western nations. The globalists also financed the CCP.
Commies came during the 1890's-That was when people from Frankfurt school were pursued from Germany. Commies also came after the Bolshevik revolution and Commies also came after WW2.
If corporate statists are capitalists, then the Soviet commies were capitalists too. One is the "great equalizer" which seizes the means of production by force, the other owns the means of production and controls and tyrannizes your use of it through the elimination of the middle class via restrictions and other wicked acts of coercion.
Corporate statists DID finance the rise of the NSDAP. Here is verifiable evidence of Allen Dulles (1st director of the CIA) putting large sums into Nazi German investments: https://idnc.library.illinois.edu/?a=d&d=DIL19440929.2.26&e=-------en-20--1--img-txIN---------
The Reichsbank was established in 1876?
Source?
Xi's CCP, not Mao's.
Commies were 1890's Frankfurt alumni?
Isn’t that just being a good capitalist?
No. The difference between real capitalism and corrupt capitalism is like the difference between good and evil, right and wrong.
When corruption is rewarded rather than punished, something has distorted the ethics of a free market.
This a puritan viewpoint that I endorse.
capitalism has nothing to do with open borders.
People advocating that aren’t capitalists. They want an oligarchy so they don’t have to worry about losing their wealth or power.
There is a balance to be struck in my opinion.
Ethical capitalism that still favors national interests and affords some worker/citizen rights and disallows monopolies to form. (See Silicon valley being able to effectively set up a monopoly on public discorse).
You're right on the money though that unlimited capitalism will always favor open borders and importing people to work for less.
I’ve come to resent capitalism over the past few years. I know I’m going to catch flak for saying that, but am I wrong to believe it? Am I wrong to resent the system that has given unlimited power to global finance and the degenerate elite? That literally sold the traditional family structure down a river by encouraging women to join the workforce rather than look after their own children? That encourages 3rd world immigration for cheap labor while displacing the native population? That encourages us to work harder for ever-diminishing returns? Am I wrong to think that way?
No you aren't wrong. Modern conservative's idea of private property and free enterprise are missing crucial things like nationalism, morality, and the supremacy of state authority which were all integral to the Founders' economic thought.
The constitution and really our entire system was created for a nation of rural White Christian farmers. Countries with demographics like America today tend to be ruled by dictators, military despots, or dysfunctional parliaments.
That is what most people here don’t get.I have discovered that most conservatives don’t want to conserve anything except liberalism and I have also seen that countries with demographics of America are hardly great and stable countries.
It wasn't made for white people because there is no white people. Those who mentioned such things back then were referring to members of their former European tribe and current allied tribes who were running from persecution or for something new. Ever heard of the highland clearances?
Never in history has "white people" as a group existed and it never will, just like a Japanese man, a Malaysian man, and a Thai man will never be the same thing. The Irish and Italians were treated like subhuman dogshit in the USA for 100+ years by English-descended Americans and others - why? Because Europe isn't the land of white people. It's the land of dozens of tribes that have been at each other's throats for 2000 years that happen to share relatively similar skin tones. Those same skin tones can be found in North Africa, most of the Middle East, and parts of India, and they are all technically white. But that's not who some of the founders were referring to.
You're conflating sub-racial distinctions with racial distinctions. Northwestern Germanic Europeans were seen as the purest Whites. The rest of Europe was still White, and light Berbers, Jews, and other Middle Easterners could qualify as White too (but more-so just Caucasoid).
We didn't have the benefit of genetic studies back then; even the classic stuff like skull shape was still relatively new. But, besides that, there was no organized, foreign effort to attack the whole mass of White Europeans, so naturally other categories like nations and religions received more attention.
The point is there were and are marked distinctions that never lent to a monolithic grouping of "white people" in common parlance/understanding. The mass grouping of Europeans into "white people" is unscientific and a construct of marxist bullshit. If people want to get their panties in a twist about something useless idiots came up with, namely the absolutely retarded notion that people in the 21st century are mainly separated into tribes by a handful of skin tones, that's on them. Those who use their brains should have nothing to do with it.
What you resent is not Capitalism but rather the wonders of Socialist Progressivism granting Corporate Personhood and thus protecting the degenerate elites from being directly responsible for their dubious actions.
But if a free and open market is what gave those corporations the opportunity to rise in power and restrict the market to benefit themselves, is that not an inherent flaw in capitalism itself?
That's a flaw in government which has too much power. Capitalism just says you own your own means of production. What you produce is yours to sell. As a worker you sell your skills as a units of time. If you make music, you own your music and may sell it. It is not owned by a collective. Not does anyone have a right to your production. You cannot be forced to provide your skills or music. Thus the free market. Layer in contractual law etc.. But introduce gooberment that can tip the balance with monopolistic powers.. And you get manipulated markets and fascism etc..
Sounds like Someone is ready to read The Serville State.
http://restorationchristianculture.org/wp-content/uploads/servile-state.pdf
That’s not capitalism per se, it’s the population being too ignorant to know how it needs to be policed.
Yes, You should be hating the abuse of capitalism, which is what that all is, not capitalism itself.
A system that allows for abuse and subversion is still a flawed system. I appreciate what a free market does for entrepreneurs and small family-owned businesses, but it has also allowed certain corporations to grow large enough to manipulate the market and the government for their benefit and their benefit alone.
Nobody claimed capitalism isn't flawed. And, as I stated, we've had to reign in or stomp flat excessive abuses of it in the past - like we really, really need now, but our government is failing to do.
Half of the purchases by companies like Disney should have been blocked because of their monopolistic power they get. But our Congress and Fed just rubber stamp it all.
The federal lobbying system is the worst of it all. In any other circumstance, giving millions of dollars to government officials so they promote policies that are beneficial to you and your organization would be considered bribery. Add in a middleman and all of a sudden it’s just legal lobbying.
Capitalism has allowed these defective mutants to exist.
We haven't had capitalism since at least 1913.
THIS is not capitalism.
The Federal Reserve notwithstanding, the Western capitalist system in the last 200 years HAS been deficient, in that it does not adequately account for important kinds of capital / property - e.g. commons, personal reputation, voting rights
Yes. Exactly.
It isn't capitalism that allowed them to exist. It is government.
A certain level of comfort. Most of these things have never missed a meal. That of course might be changing.
It should be noted a PRIVATE bank, the Federal Reserve Bank, creates most of our capital.
Creates most/all of our money.
They don't create the human capital that is the real store of wealth.
No, but they can print off money. Who is to say they don't print off money without us knowing and fund their operations?
This is likely why Germany went on to creating a currency based on human labor, their economy and country did a 180 degree flip and had mass prosperity within a few years.
Edit, re-reading your comment. Yes you are right, they print the worthless money, they don't create the actual real capital of human labor.
Is there an easy to understand article on the based on human labor bit?
We're on the same page. No need to haggle over definitions.
In open border, Globalist bring poverty to you!
It's all this income inequality. Let's usher in Communism, then everyone will be equally poor and miserable.*
*Except for the ruling elite class who will live like kings.
Corporatism is basically socialism for big businesses. Capitalism works because it promotes competition, disruptive innovation, private property, and distributive networks. All of those are existential threats to big businesses, cabals, and monopolies.
What does capitalism in itself do to promote competition or distributive networks?
Private property sure, but private actors make more money by working together against the rest of the market than by competing with each other.
It’s basically libertarianism that doesn’t work. Capitalism needs to be policed properly just like everything else.
At it's essence, capitalism is "Hey, you have delicious looking apples, can I trade you some eggs for them?" If they say no, you can go to another person with an apple tree and try to offer the same deal.
As more people make deals for apples, the guys in the valley to the north who have no apple trees but have a lot of wood, will build wagons to travel to the southern valley to trade lumber for apples.
Isn't that just barter? Those apples and eggs and the land supporting them could just as well be the property of a feudal lord.
Barter, yes. But it's the basis of capitalism. Adding currency only makes it more efficient and mobile. Someone wants something you have, and offers you something for it, be it actual items, or currency. And, to lean into the actual definition of capitalism, you own the tree, and the apples, not the State. You can eat the apples, or sell them.
Free markets are the mechanic that promotes comparetion which is why a cabal like you mentioned seeks to corner the market and drive out competitors.
How does it promote competition if the people that comprise it do the exact opposite?
Well isn't that why we have regulations to prevent monopolies and bust up trusts. Plus it's pretty hard to actually corner a market without Government help.
It sounds like it's the government and its regulations that are promoting competition in that case, not capitalism.
51% of a market will always have a shared incentive to suppress the other 49%, but the first thing private actors collaborate toward is influencing the government to help further their common interests.
Do we really have capitalism here when the majority of good solid jobs have been lost to overseas and that the majority of our imports are from overseas, including Communist China? Is this Capitalism? If it is, it certainly HAS failed us as an independent American people.
I don't like the capitalism worship. The free market has allowed these companies to be much more powerful than the government the government essentially became an arm of the corporations. These transnational, post national global corporations who don't see themselves as American who have no allegiance to this country but influence our policies and our laws.
According to leftists, not being able to buy the newest 1000 dollar iphone every year is extreme poverty.
Yeah but capitalism did also create that... Thing so it's a tossup.
Any -ism depends on the people. Our capitalism is all money since 1913(federal reserve).
We really need nationalism.
Capitalism is the tool, Nationalism is the man using it. Like any tool it can be used to build or destroy.
Are we capitalist still? Seems like we live in a fascist state with a twist. The twist is that the corporations run the government rather than the government running the corporations?
What the purple haired freaks don't realize is that what they voted for is not socialism.... it's actually Corporate Globalism... which is also actually why some markets are broken. So, they are wrong on both the cause and the solution to the supposed problem. And they have voted/supported the problem they complain about to begin with...
And most of that progress is because everyone copied the nazis, who were socialists.
:D
https://twitter.com/RealGeorgeWebb1/status/1390988716076847110
Lol believe it or not back when I was a libtard the left used to know we lived in the safest period in history.
They also like Hitchens and Dawkins back then too.
The way the left came after both of them for being quote unquote sexists was the beginning of my red pill.
I keep asking myself what someone could have said to me to red pill me 10 years sooner. Any thoughts?
For me It was realizing the left has no care for real empiricism. Its concerned mainly with appealing to a person's vanity. It delivers the ability to claim intelligence simply by party association.
What did you see that caused you to realize this?
For me, it was constantly being 'judged' and 'looked down upon' by the so called oppressed groups. I was told over and over again the oppressed groups are saints. I am also part of an oppressed group and the other oppressed groups would judge me harder than any straight white Christian male over and over again all while claiming they were pure of heart. It took about 20 times before I could see it though because the narrative is so strong.
Just reading really, sokal affair, reproduction crisis, wage gap myth and etc.
Silent spring, effects of ddt, race crime statistics never being plainly stated due to feelings.
Its an endless list -- the left is endlessly aiming to create their own reality and create a utopia. Its just not a line of thought I find reasonable or that I think is historically accurate.
These, to me, are the people who would have suggested lobotomies, chemically castrating homosexuals, and hysteria in different eras. Just regular fucking people listening to regular fucking 'experts'. Its always been experts and they dont seem to get that.
If you want to take up bullshit as a hobby, you can go wrong with "fashionable nonsense" or "the apocalytpics"
The latter is rare but definitely recommended.
Thank you! I love your recommendations and am going to check them out.
If you can make capitalism better and or find a system that’s better for the advancement of humanity and individual liberty I would be interested in listening. No, socialism, communism, or anything derivative of Marxism is not better than capitalism and is not an improvement of individual liberty.
Socialism cannot exist except on the foundation of free market capitalistic economies.
Was 1930s Germany socialist?
It was not marxist socialist, which is what people call socialism today. They had nationalism.
Nazi "nationalism" included the conquest of the entire continent of Europe, parts of Africa, and German world order dominance. Kind of like the EU.
You're talking about imperialism.
The imperialist foreign policy of a socialist regime.
Not its nationalism, yeah. But if only it was the imperialist foreign policy of a capitalist or monarchist regime =/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_colonial_empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire
Even then, poverty today is still easier to live with than what was considered poverty 200 years ago.
The people who overthrew the USA and took rights away from the people are the heads of large businesses. If you think about it, you must admit that there are also problems with the free market.
Don't worry. Politicians are doing their best to bump those numbers up
Free market capitalism is forbidden, thats why leftist controlled government creates laws to banning gasoline vehicles, subsidize green energy, force consumers spending money on red-tape regulations, coerce consumers into experimental big pharma drugs, give legal protection to corporations. Corporations form fascist partnerships with government to be protected from any forms of regulations, while screwing we the people, with claims it is driven by 'capitalism'.
Capitalism is freedom
Freedom to be ruled by private monopolies instead of the gov
Can you define "extreme poverty" please?? Because the wealthy are richer really faster than the poor are less poor....
Where is this fact coming from? Not debating it but would just like a few sources and definitions.
Yeah, I would kind of like to know what part of free market capitalism would have government financed schools that teach kids socialism bullshit, and have government spending consistently over 40% of GDP, and have ten generations of government debt saddled on our kids, and have this debt financed by a state imposed central bank that inflates bubbles all the time with artificially low interest rates.
Capitalism's only failure was working too well, resulting in abominations like the thing on the left surviving into adulthood.
Mourn with me, pedes. The number is actually (and this is 100% not reported on CNN) back up to 10%, because of the CCP Virus lockdowns around the world.
100 million people (!) were put back into extreme poverty in order to save 92 year old great uncles in the USA, then Cuomo killed them anyway.
Just as a side note, the way some countries measure ‘poverty’ is a fucking joke. It should be measured by purchasing power of vital goods and services: food, clothing, fuel, utilities, etc. In the UK, for example, it’s measured as a percentage of the median income, so if everything with the economy went really well and goods and services came down in price by 20%, the amount of people ‘in poverty’ wouldn’t change.
Think its communism that failed, being that communists are pouring into a capitalist nation.
Projection as always.
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How do we compare extreme Poverty 200 years ago with extreme Poverty today? I'm just interested with how we add tech advances into the equation. I'm right of Reagan so don't come at me for this, I'm just legit interested on how we judge extreme Poverty in 1820 to extreme Poverty today. Like what are the parameters because I e seen this meme a couple of times and not sure how I would use that fact and then have comebacks for that inevitable question that'll come from my demonrat "friends"
#frensbeforefriends
Under capitalism, for the first time in human history, poor people have the privilege to be fat instead of starving to death.
Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin. The economics are not the main reason why third and first-world nations exist, the demographics that make up the populations can be a huge indicator as to how competent and efficient the well-being of the nation including its economy can be. Obviously you can still critique the likes of socialism and capitalism no matter what the situation is, but I wouldn't say it's entirely based off of the economic systems.
And technically, our current society has shifted more toward Corporatism moreso than Capitalism.
They want it back to 85%. The birth of America pissed a lot of people off.
There's also a lot more people.
There are some issues with capitalism. Private companies need to be held accountable and allow free speech and not have censorship. But it;s a WHOLE LOT better than socialism
"Then why are you so FAT?"
"Why shit be costin money?!?!?! Getting everything fo free be a human right!"
A human right, a civil right, and a social right!
Yeah but you didn't have purple haired freaks 200 years ago so maybe capitalism has failed
I love capitalism being blamed for central authorities interfering in the market.
Perhaps interestingly, about the same population whole number that was in extreme poverty then is in it now. Population has grown significantly.
And that 9% lives under the auspices a benevolent state.
People are just not good judges of relative numbers or perspectives. We all know this to be the case but it's hard to really understand the scope of it. There are people that think if all your needs aren't met then they are enduring suffering on par with living in a gulag except when actually experience a gulag these people couldn't understand people getting excited over receiving bread and butter. People just can't actually empathize with hypotheticals. Oh boy do they think they can but those same people are scoffing at the most abundant and well treated time in human history. To them, capitalism failed because of some needling decadent bullshit that their very own ancestors would have fought in died for at the mere possibility of getting.
We live in a crony capitalist world.
Actual capitalism doesn't appear to have any flaws.