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Toobin247 251 points ago +251 / -0

Wait so they’re complaining that we actually follow science and numbers?

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DrGEOTUS [S] 183 points ago +183 / -0

Correct.

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DonJr2032 83 points ago +84 / -1

I'm sure they are saying that it's being manipulated and taken out of context, which is true with everything. You won't find a poll, data, or anything related to major hot topics today that the data isn't manipulated and taken out of context.

Everything we are fed about climate change and evolution and politics, all of it is heavily manipulated and taken out of context, sometimes so much so that it becomes "backbone scientific fact".

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JMaN 52 points ago +52 / -0

Yes. But we are on the side that goes against the agenda and uses logic, reason, and rational thought. Their side uses things like censorship and shaming.

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Toobin247 22 points ago +22 / -0

I started off college as a major in Electrical Engineering. Unfortunately wasted my talent on “the college experience “. Wish I could go back in time but I digress... One of the first things we learned is that electricity is still a “theory”. No one has actually observed the mechanisms working in real time. We have just observed forces acting on each other and results from chemical reactions. And yet look at the infrastructure it is built on and how vital it is to our modern existence.

Fast forward to several years ago. Working a mundane job and a lefty coworker was laughing at a Facebook post and calling the poster ( a conservative) a dumbass because they were talking about this particular aspect of science and sharing a book that used electricity as an example.

Lefty coworker : “ look at this dumbass, he doesn’t think electricity exists” - clearly ignoring the explanation in the book

Me:” he’s correct about the point though, they taught us that in EE at uni”

Coworker: silence.

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Trumpternal 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hello Fren, do you follow Nikola Tesla at all?

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Toobin247 5 points ago +5 / -0

I really need too. I find him interesting but I get so consumed with politics I forget there are other subjects out there.

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SentryS 17 points ago +17 / -0

DoCtOrEd ThE EvIdEnCE!

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Independenceforever 17 points ago +18 / -1

No MIT just sucks. Full of foreigners and fools who'd say a ham sandwich is pure liquid hydrogen if you paid them enough.

Take a look around you. Do you really think there are many "intelligent" people even left in the world? You have a bunch of frauds tho.

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RedditIs4Retards 10 points ago +10 / -0

the average non-college educated conservative is smarter than the average college student.

Because college students just learn to win arguments against the "lesser educated" without allowing themselves to realize truth, while simultaneously not knowing how to do Jack shit like change his oil. Meanwhile, conservatives that don't go to college start their own businesses straight out of high school, learn how to build the world, and end up fixing college students broken shit

The left despises us because we don't care for their indoctrination system and find ways to be far more successful than them without going into deep debt. And on top of that, they're so fucking smart they can't figure out how to get rid of that debt, so they beg like retards for the government to implement taxes (against those of us who don't go to their indoctrination systems) to pay for their debt.

Also, a large part of intelligence is being able to think for yourself and critical thinking. The left has neither.

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Based_in_Space 2 points ago +2 / -0

“Full of CCP spies and fools”

There fixed it for ya.

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Knowbody 2 points ago +2 / -0

Do you really think there are many "intelligent" people even left in the world?

There are, but they aren't part of the institutions any more. They get kicked out for thinking incorrect thoughts.

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DiamondsOnTheFloor 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sad. Tragic, really.

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RedditIs4Retards 5 points ago +5 / -0

Karl Marx started environmentalism as a fear tactic to control people.

There you go

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DonJr2032 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can you elaborate on this, or provide more information?

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Pinochet_Was_Right 51 points ago +51 / -0

Yup.

We need to trust the institution (them) and not worry about pesky hard evidence

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impera 41 points ago +41 / -0

Hilarity ensues. What a cope it is to whine that the 'crazy skeptics' are all rigorous analytical pragmatics who have embraced the scientific method!

Maybe the MIT people are worried they will look like retards?

Science doesn't even touch on the same realm as this communist-contrived 'controversy', it simply gathers data and forms testable hypotheses suggested by the data and then tests these for viability. The hysterics of some purple-haired obese xir, or the 'officials' are all fallacious and of no value.

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Toobin247 5 points ago +5 / -0

I’ve always said that science is more about the question and less about an “answer”. I know that’s a little oversimplified because we do search for answers, but it’s more about Understanding than absolutism.

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Torrvarpen 16 points ago +16 / -0

Bingo, can't have intellectuals in the new world order, what if we started to question stuff that doesn't make sense, they can't deal with that.

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Ghostof_PatrickHenry 15 points ago +15 / -0

We don't treat science as a religion. It really is that simple.

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powershellder 97 points ago +97 / -0

I remember trying to watch Bill Nye Saves the World and they brought up how “the largest demographic for Antivaxxers are wealthy people with additional education after their 4 year degree”.

But then they actually tried to imply that these highly educated antivaxx people were against vaccines because they were “uneducated” and didn’t “listen to Bill Nye”.

The propaganda is reaching absurd levels.

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JuanTitor 52 points ago +52 / -0

My biggest antivax friend used to be a public school teacher. One of her kids had a really bad reaction to vaccines when she was young, so her and her husband refused to give any of her kids vaccines. Both are quite intelligent, and neither were antivax until they saw the results with their own eyes, with even doctors agreeing.

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NC_patriot 20 points ago +21 / -1

Jenny McCarthy swears that her son became autistic through vaccination.

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Knight1_of_Sunset 14 points ago +14 / -0

Fun piece of trivia: there is a small section of the Masked Singer fandom that wanted Jenny off the show for her "anti-vax" views.

Even in a silly show about costumed singers, we can't get away from this bullshit.

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sun_wolf 19 points ago +19 / -0

The vax brainwashing got really obvious when I saw otherwise conservative, skeptical people having this kneejerk pro-vax response. You could tell it was programmed and not based on any kind of knowledge or experience. There are even dudes reading this comment experiencing it right now. Steam is pouring out their ears because someone questions their precious vaccine obsession. They never stop to really ask themselves why they bought into it so hard. Nor do they acknowledge that not all vaccines are created equal. They are literally just pro-injecting shit into human beings via needle. A douche bag lawyer like Avenatti (no medical expertise) could come out with his own vaccine and these pro-vaxxers would inject it into themselves because “vaccines work, bro”. It’s not even about what the vaccine is or what’s in it anymore. Just as long as it’s a needle that goes into people and the label says “vaccine”, they are for it. That is so stupid it’s like being “pro-pill”, and then eating every single pill anyone hands you because “dude, pills work”.

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themightykekfish 5 points ago +5 / -0

I just don’t fucking trust the federal government or pharmaceutical companies.

You put those two hands together it’s a big nope from me fren.

I’m more concerned about vaccinations causing ACTUAL variants.

Aren’t there antibiotic resistant Bactria because of over use?!

Give it to the sick elderly and infirm and fuck off.

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rootGoose 2 points ago +2 / -0

Perhaps because they’re so void of virtue, they’ll vigorously pursue any remote semblance thereto - especially when it costs them nothing personally.

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Gmama2 14 points ago +14 / -0

One of the big problems is the refusal to study kids who may have had issues after vaccines, it is possible there is a subset of people with genetic predisposition, etc. who do have severe reactions, maybe autism, etc., however it just gets denied. Most kids are fine after childhood vaccines, but it would make sense to study those with sudden onset of symptoms to see if there is a marker that makes those kids react differently.

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radx4 4 points ago +5 / -1

Most kids are fine after childhood vaccines

45% of children have autoimmune disorders. No, most kids are not fine.

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Gmama2 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do you have a source for 45%?

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powershellder 2 points ago +2 / -0

The common one is the MTFR (?) gene mutation. If I remember correctly, it interferes with glutathione production and you’re at a much higher risk for adverse effects.

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honeymussie 3 points ago +3 / -0

I've read 98% of kids with autism have this gene mutation, it's theorized this can interfere with neurological function since they can't process folic acid correctly and they have a diminished capacity to filter toxins, like what you'd find in vaccines, environmental pollution, heavy metals exposure, etc. which exacerbates the other physical problems. It makes perfect sense yet doctors don't test for this mutation or even mention it to women before they have kids. It only (maybe) gets brought up after a kid with autism is born or a woman has recurrent miscarriages. The rise in autism is probably being caused by a mixture of things, like too many vaccines, older parents whose bodies have accumulated these toxins, and all the fortified folic acid garbage people eat.

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powershellder 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, there is an almost perfect correlation between toxin exposure (specifically mercury) and autism. But I’m sure it’s unrelated.

http://vaxtruth.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Texas-autism-rates-toxins.jpg

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honeymussie 1 point ago +1 / -0

I mean, I'm agreeing with you, that would be environmental pollution and heavy metal exposure. Not every kid is autistic though so some have a genetic predisposition and some don't.

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lerm4comptroller 24 points ago +25 / -1

lol Do you suppose that's the real public health threat?

Some suburban mom from Oregon that spends too much time on Facebag whose one kid isn't vaccinated against fucking chickenpox?

Not the Afghan wandering in over the open border with no vaccination record ever even requested coming from a country experiencing its largest polio outbreak in 20 years?

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Redpillgirlfrommars 1 point ago +1 / -0

One of my customers at my bar is an accountant who does a lot of hospital workers’ taxes. He said the more the hospital worker makes, the less likely they are to personally want to get the covid vaccine.

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starsabove 61 points ago +61 / -0

"Are we the baddies?"

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Lordahdaring 48 points ago +48 / -0

They don't even think that 2+2 = 5 when it pleases dear leader

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OrangeElvis 32 points ago +32 / -0

I was fully expecting this to be Babylon Bee. Holy shit. Ha!

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peruvianhat 8 points ago +8 / -0

I had to search for this on my own. I seriously thought it was a ruse. Can't believe they put that on paper.

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residue69 31 points ago +31 / -0
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Fozra_ 21 points ago +21 / -0

The conclusion section is pretty amazing. First of all, mentioning ‘muh white supremacy’ kinda kills any idea that you’re doing actual research and not an activist piece. Second, they’re literally pissed off that raw data is publicly available and can be read in a way which doesn’t support the mainstream narrative. They’re not even saying that the non-mainstream interpretation is wrong, just that anyone who’s not an ‘expert’ shouldn’t be allowed to use their tiny plebeian brains to make conclusions from the data. Of course, we know this isn’t about an individual’s ability to read data, either, because they’ll decry any fully qualified person who goes against the grain as a brainless quack who isn’t a ‘real’ scientist.

It’s not as if the underlying point they’re using to push their ideology is without merit, either: of course you can manipulate and selectively display data in a way which intentionally misleads the reader, but it’s not like that’s exclusive to the skeptic side of the isle. I just posted a video of Bret and Heather Weinstein talking about how the Covid vaccine pushers are intentionally excluding statistics that would allow people to make a more informed decision with regards to the risk/reward of the vaccines to the individual potentially taking it.

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themightykekfish 5 points ago +5 / -0

Shut up and get the jab bigot.

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BasedNtruth 4 points ago +4 / -0

Take the vax bigot, gotta "reach herd immunity"

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themightykekfish 1 point ago +1 / -0

I read that in the paper as I was waiting to check out and I was like wut

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standonthewall 9 points ago +9 / -0

Hey thanks Pede, I was scrolling for this.

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DiamondsOnTheFloor 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thank you.

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riffology 30 points ago +30 / -0

They are completely unaware of the irony. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

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DeMayor-4Trump 30 points ago +30 / -0

“These skeptics use a strange form of thinking called common sense and it’s totally just a conspiracy theory for white racist”

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TonsOfSalt 7 points ago +7 / -0

Pro-tip: avoid appealing to common sense. It's a fallacy, argument ad populum.

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HazelHen 23 points ago +23 / -0

“How skeptics use orthodox data practices to promote unorthodox science”

Wow, that title says it all: the representatives of Science have strayed. The author was being deceptive, or perhaps is unaware, by not capitalizing “science” and should have perhaps added the trademark as well.

One cannot use orthodox data practices to produces anything but “orthodox” science. The “orthodox science” in the title is a euphemism for “Science”, which is nothing more than assertions from authority cloaked under the science that are not to be challenged and are not open to scrutiny.

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leo-bulero 5 points ago +5 / -0

The title betrays their actual belief, that to them “science” is analogous to a religion. “Orthodox science” is their version of Orthodox Christianity or Orthodox Judaism.

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lucifer_fit_deus 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think another way to look at it is that by using the terms orthodox and unorthodox the paper is actually avoiding a value judgment.

Those terms are neutral insofar as they simply describe whether or not a belief is generally held by a community and not whether those beliefs are in fact valid or beneficial. The term orthodox would be the usual beliefs of a community regardless of the truth or usefulness of those beliefs and the unorthodox would be the beliefs that are unusual or not generally accepted by that community for whatever reason.

These terms apply to beliefs in any community. You may not agree with Marxism but you would still be able to understand what is meant by an Orthodox Marxist idea. And if I told you an idea was unorthodox to Marxists you would also understand that is was not in the mainstream of Marxist thinking.

As it stands now the generally accepted belief among the scientific community for data process is the scientific method, which is orthodox for that community, and the generally accepted belief in regards to COVID is “ermahgerd ur killing grandma”, which would also be the orthodox belief for that community. Anybody challenging the belief in COVIDmania would be, by definition, unorthodox except until that time belief in Scamdemic became generally accepted.

Morever, in the American context “unorthodox” is often not pejorative as it is frequently has a heroic connotation when used to describe outside the box thinking that bucks a trend.

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x79q3pb 18 points ago +18 / -0

Trust the science folks, not Trust the Science™

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sun_wolf 13 points ago +13 / -0

Science is a method, not a buzzword.

$cience.

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MrStep 14 points ago +14 / -0

How do you use "orthodox data practices to promote unorthodox science online"? What exactly is 'orthodox' science in their eyes - science that spouts whatever the Marxists and MSM are pushing? Surely they have the facts on their side? Do they know what science is?

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trumpcard7 14 points ago +14 / -0

"Indeed, anti-maskers often reveal themselves to be more sophisticated in their understanding of how scientific knowledge is socially constructed than their ideological adversaries, who espouse naive realism about the “objective” truth of public health data."

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MichaelStewart 12 points ago +12 / -0

These MIT, CIA, FBI joggers can research my left nut.

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Ishaye 11 points ago +11 / -0

Science is a process!

shocked Pikachu face

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p1smo 11 points ago +12 / -1

Yep. There's a distinct difference between being "anti-vax" and being skeptical of an experimental gene therapy that was rushed to market and foisted upon the general public under extremely dubious circumstances. It's just another left-wing, gaslighting smear to paint conservatives as a bunch of ignorant "anti-vax, anti-science" hillbillies.

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Mememagic4all 9 points ago +9 / -0

Science is a process not an institution. Great quote

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peruvianhat 8 points ago +8 / -0

This along with the paper deserve to be pinned

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Tr0mp 8 points ago +8 / -0

I love the title ... "How people doing science disagree with me"

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Archdukeofevil 8 points ago +9 / -1

We arent 'anti vax'. We are anti-guinea pig. The need for a vaccine for a disease with 99% survival rate is minimal at best. I am more likely to be hurt from the vaccine than a disease I've already survived.

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liveinliberty 7 points ago +7 / -0

How dare you commoners read the words for yourselves, when Pope Fauci is there to interpret the words for you!

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wethepepe 7 points ago +7 / -0

Are you sure this isn’t a satirical piece

Because the honk levels are high even for me

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BrakeRemovalMechanic 2 points ago +2 / -0

Honk levels have risen to historic highs lately.

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Keiichi81 7 points ago +7 / -0

How dare those anti-Science bigots value empiricism and analytical processes instead of just trusting the Holy Science Orthodoxy! Don’t they know that Science is something decreed from on high by an approved clergyman and trusted through faith, not something to be tested and evaluated by oneself?!

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NC_patriot 6 points ago +6 / -0

Holy shit, people actually read and look at data!

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Gmama2 5 points ago +5 / -0

The irony is that Trump is pro-vaccine, but many Trump supporters are skeptical, while hard lefties consider the vaccine a sacrament.

This shows they are a cult, and Trump supporters are independent.

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Basehobo 5 points ago +5 / -0

Lol. Wtf am I reading? " Similarly, Francesca Tripodi [98] has shown how evangelical voters do not vote for Trump because they have been “fooled” by fake news, but because they privilege the personal study of primary sources and have found logical inconsistencies not in Trump’s words, but in mainstream media portrayals of the president. As such, Tripodi argues, media literacy is not a means of fighting “alternative facts.”"

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WU_HAN_FRU 4 points ago +4 / -0

They go to this much effort to shine a light on the truth. And they still can’t see.

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shadows_of_the_mind 4 points ago +4 / -0

I'm a man of science. It was my favorite school subject growing up and I avoided all liberal arts courses in hs and college like the plague. The perversion of the word "science" by the left is one of the greatest tragedies of our generation. For a generation touted as "the most educated" in America's history, we sure have destroyed the sciences.

Scientists and researchers used to want people to question the findings. Questioning the established order of things is how we learn. We ask questions to clarify answers, or raise counterarguments to established findings.

But now, science has become a political cudgel. It is absolute. It cannot be questioned. Questioning science is hearsay. If you ask for statistics and models and calculations, you are now a science denier. Statistical analysis is gone. That's racist now. It's racist to question science. It's homophobic to point to biological facts about human sexuality, and you can't even cite MODERN RESEARCH that refutes the left's claims of gender being "nonexistent". The science is whatever the left feels like it is for that day. The subject of science has turned into the Cult of Science.

In our blind ignorance of the true nature of the Communist Infestation, we allowed science to become polluted with politics. Oh, and gone are the credibilities of major research institutes, like MIT. I guess MIT realized there's more business in dictating policy thinly veiled as scientific 'research', than being a pioneer in real research and discovery. Science, the one subject that was supposed to be IMMUNE to all of this nonsense, has been utterly destroyed.

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Dictator_Bob 4 points ago +5 / -1

Can we get the link to this and not the twatter shit?

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Dictator_Bob 7 points ago +9 / -2

The core issue is two parts:

  1. People are skeptical or disagree with their version of truth, as they see it.
  2. They are using real science to show their work.

This is laughable horseshit. They are claiming a priesthood and admonishing anyone who applies science as a method for themselves, and considers anyone aside from their realm a peer to review with.

To resolve this they insist on new versions of their truth. We call this propaganda as it is not scientific in its intent.

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peruvianhat 4 points ago +4 / -0

I kept reading and thinking to myself: there are so many nuggets here, you can't come across a better advertisement for getting involved in these "anti-mask" discussion groups.

They keep saying things that should objectively be seen as good, yet it's clear they see it as an impediment to "consensus." It's lunacy

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leo-bulero 3 points ago +3 / -0

How have we regressed back to the era of Galileo being arrested and imprisoned for daring to suggest that the earth revolves around the sun?

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Dictator_Bob 2 points ago +4 / -2

Yes, this is dogmatic persecution. Their paper is written as "settled science" and "what to do about the peasantry" at the same time. Literally, it is a "study" built for political operations. There is nothing scientific about it except in it's analysis on how their like-minded network and political allies can launch a political opposition to a grassroots utilization of scientific method.

This is bullshit.

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bubadmt 4 points ago +4 / -0

Science is literally defined as the act of trying to prove or disprove a hypothesis or statement by using replicable methods of action and being skeptical until a theory is accepted as law by like-minded peers. If not that, then I'd love to hear what their version of "science" is? Is it "my truth" bullshit peddled as science?

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Ntlala 4 points ago +4 / -0

This paper honestly reads like elites whining the poor people are getting too smart.

They complain we want to use data to make the best decisions for our family...

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America_2020 4 points ago +4 / -0

Rip Science 1620-2020

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TGNX 3 points ago +3 / -0

Who'da thunkit?

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RuthBGinsburgsTumor 3 points ago +3 / -0

The actual paper is hilarious. After describing how the "vaccine skeptics" are actually using proper Science processes, they start seeting about how they're not trusting the experts or the narratives.

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UsernameChexOut 3 points ago +3 / -0

-Those uneducated covid deniers with their statistical analysis and scientific method. Why can't they be more like us, the enlightened ones, and pray to Lord Fauci to show us the way?! /s

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rootGoose 2 points ago +2 / -0

Scientismists are a cult who worship science as an unquestionable diety.

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Dahnald2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

We are in the beginning of Dark Ages 2.0 where only the Chosen Science is promoted

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doug2 2 points ago +2 / -0

This seems like a pretty fair assessment. They wondered what the main driver of vaccine hesitancy is and they found out. There's a lot of fuckery going on today, not seeing much here.

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bobobob 2 points ago +2 / -0

The Scientific Method is literally a process.

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Crappydatum 2 points ago +2 / -0

"Unorthodox" literally means against the orthodoxy or status quo

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roflcopt0rz_returns 2 points ago +2 / -0

One of the biggest lefties of all time - George Carlin - had a piece where he emphasized how kids need to question authority, question everything they read and hear. Simply extrapolate that to adults and you get us, the people who will actually question the mainstream narrative.

When you raise questions, you go to find the answers. This is opposed to the NPCs who just believe everything they’re told.

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CaptainButthurt 2 points ago +2 / -0

That bigot nazis following science instead of woke dogma! Canceled I say! REEEEEEEEE! -Leftists

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thelken 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's almost is if reality is on our side....

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HiddenDekuScrub 2 points ago +2 / -0

Did they just admit to not being about any real evidence?

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Listen_FAT 1 point ago +1 / -0

I spy two CCP plants

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malooch 1 point ago +1 / -0

MIT <3 Epstein cash

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TheWhitestOfFangs 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just pointing out, it seems to me that this is not even a peer-reviewed article. So they haven't performed "Science".

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dagoat4l 1 point ago +1 / -0

Guess time to read up on bug recipes.