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OldGreg 202 points ago +204 / -2

Meanwhile, at the lithium mines...

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24601 116 points ago +117 / -1

Don't forget the Cobalt mines in DRC... where children dig minerals at the point of an AK-47...

https://www.cfr.org/blog/why-cobalt-mining-drc-needs-urgent-attention

Electric Cars are the dirtiest method of transportation available today... in terms of environmental damage as well as human carnage and child exploitation.

EV owners and supporters should be utterly ashamed of their support of these horrific industries.

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OldGreg 44 points ago +45 / -1

Yyyyyep!

V8 goes BWAAAAAAAAAAAA! Sorry, race car noises.

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jpower 58 points ago +60 / -2

To be completely honest, there is nothing wrong with gas, diesel or electric cars. They are all actually marvels of engineering - especially the advanced electric cars that Elon Musk makes.

What is wrong is people making this a moral thing. The environment is doing perfectly ok, and the only country in the world that is bad for the environment is China.

Personally I love Tesla's, but only for their technology and design, not because they're magically any better for the environment than are gas cars.

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kernel 20 points ago +28 / -8

What tech about Tesla do you love? The always online surveillance when every press of the button is logged and send to their servers? The OTA updates that can't be uninstalled or turned off so they can disable your car remotely? Touch screen instead of physical buttons? All the sensors and cameras spying on the environment and collecting the data?

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jpower 23 points ago +24 / -1

I don't disagree with you about the surveillance part, but the same can be said for every smartphone company including Apple.

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kernel 1 point ago +2 / -1

Apple and Google are worse than Tesla. Yeah. But Tesla is up there. What's the point?

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24601 -6 points ago +8 / -14

every smartphone company including Apple.

Nope...

Librem 5:

https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

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Heliosaurus 12 points ago +12 / -0

Bro that thing is a potato

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Fenianlad 8 points ago +8 / -0

I’m a Linux user and evangelist. I gave up on that phone years ago

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sharardoh 2 points ago +2 / -0

I just run e/OS

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10MeV 14 points ago +16 / -2

As a retired automotive climate control engineer, I'm amazed at the sophisticated heat management/HVAC system in Teslas. They can pretty much transfer heat anywhere, through multiple loops. Electric motors, passenger cabin, batteries, can pretty much all be either heated or cooled as needed. That tech impresses me.

All the big-brother stuff you mentioned? Not so much.

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WuhunFastFoodCourt 4 points ago +8 / -4

You're living back in the battery dark ages, Methuselah. Tech has gotten seriously better. My Tesla's battery pack will still have something like 80% capacity at 120,000 miles. Plus it's cheap to recharge, simple to maintain, fun to drive and like everyone else I know that has an electric, don't give a hoot about muh environment.

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Huntercole 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well the consumers say otherwise. Electric cars growth is off the charts and every car manufacturer is developing them. Unless a better technology comes in the near future I’d have to disagree.

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SecondProtectsFirst 10 points ago +13 / -3

They are American cars built by a successful immigrant, they run primarily on American coal, and they go fast as hell. What’s not to like?

Don’t give me the surveillance BS. You’re writing this comment on a cell phone or computer aren’t you?

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itsdangerous 1 point ago +1 / -0

to be fair you can have a computer or phone without any surveillance , but you cant get an ev without

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SecondProtectsFirst 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well let’s be real here, there isn’t actually any evidence that Tesla is using user data for surveillance outside of just improving the cars.

Does GM put surveillance on their EVs? What’s the difference in buying a Silverado or a Bolt?

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kernel 0 points ago +1 / -1

Don't give you the suerveillance BS? That's one the most important red pills. It certainly hurts as you are addicted to your phone.

I am NOT writing this from Google or Apple Or Microsoft remotely controlled device. And I am NOT driving a remotely controlled car either (or a car with this capabilities).

I don't own a device where the vendor can remotely run code but I can't.

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SecondProtectsFirst 1 point ago +1 / -0

Look at mr leet opsec over here browsing .win on Linux

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Gnometard 2 points ago +2 / -0

You mean the surveillance most cars have these days or the surveillance device you carry everywhere?

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kernel 0 points ago +1 / -1

I mean the surveillance in most cars today yes, including tesla. Tesla is the worst.

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Huntercole 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’m pretty sure Tesla collects data for better user experience and for auto pilot. They don’t sell data to a third party to collect on. I’m also pretty sure all modern cars have cameras and satellite/internet hook up. I know my Explorer does.

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QLARP 1 point ago +3 / -2

Wait til you hear about cell phones

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kernel 0 points ago +1 / -1

Cell phones are alright, "smartphones" owned and remotely controlled by Apple and Google is of course the devil's tool used to control the whole population. If people were not addicted to "smartphones" there would be no plandemic.

Now they changing cars (and Tesla is leading this change) to be the same remotely controlled malthing - brining nothing to the costumer. Yeah defo tech to love.

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IronMaiden 9 points ago +10 / -1

Yeah, I've got nothing against electric cars, and in fact I think they are the future. I'm definitely going to wait a few generations before I consider one.

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covfefe-time 1 point ago +3 / -2

It's too bad that batteries are the primary energy source with electric.

Aside from RC cars and planes, real cars just seem too big for realistic usage on a mass scale.

You'd think hydrogen or something else would be more convenient to drive all these power hungry electric motors.

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WuhunFastFoodCourt 4 points ago +4 / -0

Hydrogen? All the pain of having to go to a refueling station plus the thrill of fucking explosive hydrogen and 0 to 60 mph times in minutes. Feel free, but I'm skipping that.

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covfefe-time 2 points ago +2 / -0

Right, but we gas up our cars now as it is. All vehicles still burn up, much less so, but those electrics still go up like matchbooks.

Sure, the batteries have gotten better and way lighter, but the resources plus the charging factors add up to a nightmare in themselves when you scale everything up, as we've already seen.

I'm obviously no expert but I'd think a generator burning a readily available fuel source would be better than fighting the uphill battery issues.

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IroWide 9 points ago +9 / -0

China and India, don't forget them. Both of them are big smoggy cesspools.

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24601 5 points ago +7 / -2

What is wrong is people making this a moral thing.

I strongly disagree with this statement.

Corporations should absolutely be judged on their morals and ethics. They should be judged based on how ethically they treat the Freedom of people... and how they utilize the resources available to them.

Laissez-Faire policies lead directly to Corporate Oligarchy.

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jpower 5 points ago +5 / -0

I was talking about car technology itself. If you're talking about the corporations themselves, then yes that is a totally different issue.

And Tesla may not be perfect, but I'd still be more inclined to trust them than a company like GM or Ford or the plethora of companies that are complicit with the Deep State and have been bought out by them multiple times

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Litterboxer1 -1 points ago +1 / -2

Ford declined the bailouts of the last recession

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PeoplesRepublicNJ 4 points ago +6 / -2

I love Tesla's, but only for their technology and design

You need a better eye doctor my dude

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jpower 10 points ago +13 / -3

I'm sorry but I disagree, they are pretty cool cars. And so are many other vehicles. I am in design myself, so I do have an eye for it

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jpower 8 points ago +9 / -1

No resume, just what I'm most interested in

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PeoplesRepublicNJ 1 point ago +1 / -0

What about it do you like?

I have an eye for design as well. I've got some great examples of designs of all sorts.

The Coca-Cola contour can. The New York Central Railroad "Dreyfuss Hudson," The Jaguar E-Type.

These are striking designs from varying eras. Why is the Tesla exciting? It looks like a blob, especially the cheapest models. There is no front grill and the blank space looks strange, the greenhouse is so high you could do a triple backflip off it and the wheels are intentionally cheap looking.

They remind me of full-size versions of little tykes cars. Not to mention they can't hold up at the drag strip. They love to say "Watch me beat this Hellcat." They don't mention they have to charge their battery for another hour before they run the 1/4 again.

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IG_Farben 5 points ago +9 / -4

Tesla’s are sweet. I dont know what you’re talking about.

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PeoplesRepublicNJ 1 point ago +1 / -0

What about it do you like?

Why is the Tesla exciting? It looks like a blob, especially the cheapest models. There is no front grill and the blank space looks strange, the greenhouse is so high you could do a triple backflip off it and the wheels are intentionally cheap looking.

They remind me of full-size versions of little tykes cars. Not to mention they can't hold up at the drag strip. They love to say "Watch me beat this Hellcat." They don't mention they have to charge their battery for another hour before they run the 1/4 again.

On top of that, anyone who pays taxes should hate these cars. My tax dollars have helped me buy virtue signalers their Tesla's. That is my money to use for myself "would just mean I put new headers on my car sooner." The worst bit of all though is that they engage in competitive practices with the tax lobbying.

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Porkchop-express 6 points ago +6 / -0

Vroom ? vroom

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OldGreg 3 points ago +3 / -0

I agree, but for lack of a better alphabetical combination, I’m kind of stuck.

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TonsOfSalt 0 points ago +2 / -2

There's no replacement for displacement except for boost, RPM, gearing, and electric drive systems.

I love V8 sound too, but the old mantra isn't holding up anymore. There are lots of ways to go fast now.

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TonsOfSalt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Small block V8's are an excellent platform for reliable power, and there's a reason why they are the primary choice for OEM manufacturers for high horsepower cars. I'm not trying to belittle the V8 so much as expand on what makes shit fast.

Notice those 700 hp cars are usually boosted too, one of the things I mentioned that really helps produce power. Electric combined with smaller boosted engines has the potential to be extraordinary fast. Hell, even electric by itself is stomping on a lot of fast V8 cars now. Go look up the specs on the new Tesla Model S Plaid+.... they've blown past the 1000 hp barrier.

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when_we_win_remember 1 point ago +1 / -0

Auto mfrs aren't interested in reliable power. The service department is now a profit center. The nearly-universal use of boost is to comply with emissions regulations. Most of the time, they aren't interested in producing 700 HP cars. Well, I should say they can only afford so many of those on the fuel economy budget and demand is limited.

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MountainMan95 8 points ago +8 / -0

A couple of friends have electric cars. They don’t give a shit about the environment, they just didn’t want to buy gas anymore ?‍♂️

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QLARP 1 point ago +3 / -2

Also they are so insanely fast.

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user2827 2 points ago +2 / -0

To parrot a response I got from Nike on a similar issue some years back, "we take pride in our initiatives in these countries where we provide jobs that are taking people out of the poverty they would otherwise experience."

In a sense this is true, but they could equally pay an equivalent to a minimum wage and still be profitable.

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24601 4 points ago +4 / -0

provide jobs that are taking people out of the poverty they would otherwise experience."

Yeah... But that's a false and/or misleading statement by Nike.

The actual work is very dangerous. There are no protections in place, no insurance policies, no safety policies... and the workers are paid very low wages - not a fair wage for the work performed.

It's also misleading because the raw materials are sourced from disreputable providers. That's the issue in the DRC. There are Cobalt providers that don't use child labor in unsafe conditions... however, the entire industry uses a mix of child labor produced product and legit producers.

So, the reality is that Industries in corrupt foreign nations ALL support actual real-life slavery and child exploitation. The only way to prevent such materials in the supply chain is to stop producing product in countries that are corrupt to the core.

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user2827 1 point ago +1 / -0

Probably not exact verbatim, and making shoes would likely be far less hazardous.

Agreed though.

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TonsOfSalt 1 point ago +2 / -1

Did you know there are EV batteries that don't use Cobalt?

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IntrepidEye 0 points ago +1 / -1

Teslas will be using Iron Phosphate batteries in their lower end models, as well removing the use of Cobalt in their entire lineup, including the Semi and Cybertruck. There are also plans for them to start mining themselves in the Nevada desert using new methods with less chemical processing. I doubt most people on this site have dug that deep into Tesla though.

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TonsOfSalt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do you have a link to that claim about Iron phosphate? Those are pretty heavy for lithium cells and would dramatically decrease the range potential.

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IntrepidEye 1 point ago +1 / -0

Elon mentioned it during Teslas "Battery Day" presentation last year and there are plenty of articles with a cursory search. The whole idea of them is that they'll be cheap to produce which means they can drop the price of a car to $25K and reach an exponentially larger demographic.

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TonsOfSalt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thanks, that helped with my search. I found the quote I was looking for in an article:

Previously, Musk had said the energy density of LFP batteries has improved enough to justify the use of these cells in lower-end vehicles.

This is pretty much what I guessed. I have owned large LiFePO4 prismatic cells, and I knew they needed to be better to make it into OEM cars. Notice it's still not going to be in their good ones, lol.

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IntrepidEye 2 points ago +2 / -0

Volumetrically speaking they are great for stationary storage but I agree that Iron Phosphate isn't ideal for vehicles right now. All of Tesla's higher end vehicles including the Semi and Cybertruck will be switching Nickel instead of Cobalt, which, according to them, is not only cheaper but it will also give them a slight increase in energy density. The presentation was pretty sweet if you're into engineering so I'd suggest checking it out when you get a chance.

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Huntercole 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’m not gonna act like electric cars aren’t the future because they are. The growth rate of electric cars are astonishing. Electric cars also have the highest owner satisfaction rate. So I don’t think electric cars are going anywhere. Tesla’s batteries degrade 20% after 400k-500k miles that’s pretty damn impressive most combustion engine cars hit the wrecking yard before that. But if you purchase one thinking your helping the environment your a moron.

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24601 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’m not gonna act like electric cars aren’t the future because they are.The growth rate of electric cars are astonishing.

Mostly false... the market for EVs is entirely government mandated and funded with taxpayer money. If it weren't for the government created market as well as government set prices (rebates and incentives)... the market for EVs would be near zero vehicles.

Electric cars also have the highest owner satisfaction rate.

Mostly false... there is at least a 20% return to gasoline powered vehicles for first time EV buyers.

Tesla’s batteries degrade 20% after 400k-500k miles

Mostly false... the battery degrades in varying time frames based on charging habits as well as usage statistics. Batteries used in very cold weather degrade faster... batteries used in very hot environments degrade faster... batteries charged too fast degrade faster... The statistics you list are the Best Case stats in a Laboratory Environment... Real world stats are vastly different.

that’s pretty damn impressive most combustion engine cars hit the wrecking yard before that

Most modern internal combustion engines can run for several hundred thousand miles without much maintenance. It is not uncommon at all for cars dumped by rich spoiled morons in America to run for 500K more miles in a third world country... Furthermore, anyone would has replaced a valve spring, as I have numerous times, will tell you that most engine repairs are fairly easy and inexpensive. The most expensive repairs on modern internal combustion engine vehicles are structural repairs due to the reduced level of steel and increased use of plastic in modern cars.

But if you purchase one thinking your helping the environment your a moron.

Correct.


Well, one correct statement is better than most people get on this question.

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Huntercole 1 point ago +1 / -0

So your telling me you kept a car over 500,000 miles? Without major repairs? No body keeps a car for that long anymore. Don’t forget about the transmission and all the other moving parts thats required for a mobile power plant not just the engine. A big key difference is stored energy vs created energy. I’m not going to act like there isn’t any drawbacks to EVs but don’t act like Combustion engines are not flawless. Battery tech is only going to get more advanced in the near future. The consumer doesn’t lie.

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24601 1 point ago +1 / -0

So your telling me you kept a car over 500,000 miles? Without major repairs?

I have personally driven multiple gasoline engine cars more than 200,000 miles each... with only moderate repairs... such tires (EVs still have those you know)... and oil @15.00 every 4 months. A valve spring here or there at about $5.00 in parts and 1.5 hours in labor every 3 years or so...

The meme that EVs have a lower TCO is utter BS.

EVs are not environmentally friendly, have a MUCH higher TCO, are mostly taxpayer subsidized, are intimately tied to exotic raw materials mined in foreign nations with child and slave labor, and are a massive fire hazard.

There are almost zero benefits to an EV populated world... and the only way such a world is brought into being is through massive funds being transferred from the public coffers into actual criminal organizations...

EVs == a more expensive and more dangerous vehicle that is impractical for most of the world's population while almost everyone gets poorer due to mandated increases in transportation costs.

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Huntercole 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree with you on a lot of your aspects. But as long as theres an appeal to them people will buy them. The biggest drawback is the idea of sitting at a charging station. Until the development of aluminum ion or more advanced and cheaper batteries I don’t see the combustion engine going anywhere.

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24601 1 point ago +1 / -0

But as long as theres an appeal to them people will buy them.

It's a fad... except it's a government mandated and funded fad.

60 years from now, the public will suddenly "re-invent" the gasoline powered car... because they want a vehicle that works well without the extremely high price of charging their vehicle.

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Buck_Fiden 12 points ago +12 / -0

Those 8-year-olds are mining as fast as they can there, Greta.

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OldGreg 10 points ago +10 / -0

HOW DARE YOU

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OldGreg 2 points ago +2 / -0

I got the funk; it’s right here in this box.

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JamesWoodsiQ 3 points ago +3 / -0

8 year old mining in best salvaged flip flops

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OldGreg 3 points ago +3 / -0

That’s true, until the batteries don’t battery.

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ronburgandy 3 points ago +3 / -0

Tesla doesn't even release their maintenance protocols and scan tools to the general public. You want a real end of the world rig an old diesel truck that will run on kerosene, used oil etc is a far better choice.

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ronburgandy 1 point ago +1 / -0

A purely mechanical diesel is far simpler to work on than a 2021 model anything.

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tsacian 6 points ago +8 / -2

Thats BS. Teslas are made in the USA, and bolster our infrastructure. We can get electric back online a lot faster than moving gas in wartime. look at FL after a major hurricane, longest with no electricity is a week, but gas problems persist before and after a storm.

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OldGreg 3 points ago +3 / -0

Cool and that’s great, but where do the batteries come from? No one ever said they weren’t useful.

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tsacian 3 points ago +4 / -1

The congo etc. that said, Tesla and Panasonic are leading research into using nickel (from the US) and other renewable metals. Nothing wrong with that.

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OldGreg 3 points ago +3 / -0

That’s great! My point was, there’s never going to be a good solution for these environmentalist types. If the problems were emissions. Why is China getting away with literal murder in these aspects? Because it’s never been about the environment at all. It’s a goal post game, and heads explode when someone brings up lithium mines and shitty disposal practices; but emissions are the problem? Laughable at best.

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tsacian 2 points ago +3 / -1

Hunters and conservatives were the original environmentalists. Democrats play pretend environment, and live in dirty polluting cities. There are issues with emissions, but we are not willing to pay china to catch up with current standards like biden wants. You are 100% right about the shifting goalposts, its all politics to them, they dont give a shit about the planet.

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fusreedah 5 points ago +5 / -0

Liberals love lithium. It powers their car batteries and their antipsychotic meds.

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conservativefrank 89 points ago +90 / -1

CA government asked people to switch to electric cars. People did. The government responded by raising taxes on electric cars and instituting rolling blackouts during wildfires. Now people with electric cars can't charge them to escape approaching wildfires.

CA government asked people to cut their use of gasoline. People did. CA government responded by raising the tax on gasoline, so now people are paying more for less.

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GenericInsult [S] 63 points ago +63 / -0

California is the United State's butthole.

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Jackhererer 25 points ago +25 / -0

I thought D.C. was the nation's butthole.

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bluetrench 20 points ago +20 / -0

Yeah, pretty sure D.C.'s got this one in the bag.

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OnlyTrump20 11 points ago +11 / -0

DC is just a zone, like a military base.

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TheSwampFox 4 points ago +4 / -0

They both are

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Deadpoolnormiefan271 3 points ago +3 / -0

California is our nation’s taint.

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Snipthetipandsip 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'd gladly take: lightning capitol of the world, shark bite capital of the world, Australia of the US, where we have literal zombies, no one using their turn signals, old people driving, I-4, Orlando, tourists who can't drive, old people who can't drive, where most people can't drive even though we're literal feet above sea level. Sharks, Gators, Mosquitos the size of dimes, love bugs, hurricanes, snakes, it's all worth it to be free.

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Snipthetipandsip 4 points ago +4 / -0

I mean technically I am a Florida man... Say what you will, at least we voted for Ron!

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Snipthetipandsip 4 points ago +4 / -0

Funny story, and seeing as it's just you and I here I feel I'm cool to tell it. I was involved (a victim) of an armed robbery while I was working at a lil ceasers in the hood. Well I had the police department ask me to take a lie detector test to prove I wasn't involve, I had nothing to hide, so I agreed. During a lie detector test they give you a control (things you're supposed to lie about) then ask you questions pertaining to the case. Well all the control answers, and case answers I would answer "no" to. For some reason my test came back like I was involved. I explained to the detective that all my answers were "no" and he said I was right, and they will reissue the test so my answers would require a yes response. Well I took it, and it showed I wasn't involved. The detective came back and said "Well Mr. Snip... Seems you're just a yes kind of guy" and let me go.

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RyanT282 2 points ago +2 / -0

Agreed, my fellow Floridian! ??

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BoomShtick 4 points ago +4 / -0

The TAINT of the US, a butthole serves a purpose.

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Isolated_Patriot 25 points ago +25 / -0

CA government asked people to stop clearing dead trees. People did. CA catches fire every year now.

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Sparks1017 6 points ago +6 / -0

And burns for 4 solid months, while everyone clutches their pearls while they talk about "climate change"

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FireannDireach 3 points ago +3 / -0

CA catches fire every year, anyway. Always has. We were just better at keeping it away from settled areas in the past.

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OnlyTrump20 8 points ago +8 / -0

The blackouts come from the shut down of old power plants and not replacing them with power plants of equal capacity. It's the same as removing the dams and then saying there's a water shortage so they can charge more money for water.

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_Sully_ 14 points ago +14 / -0

They are closing down power plants with no plans to make up for the loss in power. No plan whatsoever. Just destruction with no solution. There is no reason to decommission all natural gas and nuclear power generation. When California was experiencing rolling blackouts, what did they do? The bought power from Nevada for triple the cost. The solution is to stop these people from doing things in the name of climate change. Doesn't matter if it's real or not those acting on it are clearly doing it in bad faith and don't care if it destroys peoples lives.

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fauxgnaws 5 points ago +5 / -0

Worse the plans are to require solar panels on all new houses - the most expensive source of energy there is.

Residential rooftop solar is more expensive than coal, even without accounting for the energy produced needing to be stored for nighttime, utility spending to support two-way feed, and other overlooked costs.

Greenies want solar - fine - but solar energy plants are over 5 times cheaper for the same energy produced. CA is spending $5 to get $1 worth of energy.

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_Sully_ 3 points ago +3 / -0

That's beside the point. I meant to include nuclear decommissioning without a replacement, not that there is no reason to decommission them. They are decommission clean af natural gas plants though. Hate these people. They are misanthropes and they are getting more and more forceful with their methods to solve a problem that isn't even occurring. They need to be stopped and no amount of debate will stop them.

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residue69 2 points ago +2 / -0

Won't diversity in hiring solve that? Surely if we replace all the white workers with bipoc workers it'll be fine.

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Sparks1017 3 points ago +3 / -0

And where do they think the "lectric" comes from to charge these vehicles?? Yep fossil fuels, I despise these people

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Yam_nation 5 points ago +5 / -0

Fact check: mostly false. Electricity comes from plugs.

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Sparks1017 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'll laugh since you're mocking the libtards

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when_we_win_remember 1 point ago +1 / -0

The CA government is incompetent.

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Kramit 50 points ago +50 / -0

Meanwhile in copper mines (for the large charging cables)

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BrandenHaize 47 points ago +47 / -0

Libtards never stop to think where their electricity comes from. "It's the science of MAGIC!"

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KekistanPM 17 points ago +17 / -0

They, like most people, never stop to think. Period.

Yet these same people have no problem creatively manufacturing connections to blame their enemies for just about everything. I don't think I'm better than someone else based on the color of their skin; but I'm still a racist because my forefathers were "racist" and I'm "privileged" and my "people" are "systemically racist" in a "systemically racist society."

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cd3dog 9 points ago +9 / -0

Unicorn farts....

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DerJeffer 37 points ago +37 / -0

...meanwhile...at the DIESEL pipeline...

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Trump2024 10 points ago +10 / -0

...meanwhile at the coal burning electricity station...

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South_Florida_Guy 29 points ago +29 / -0

Seems like regular driving but with extra steps

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Isolated_Patriot 19 points ago +19 / -0

I think if we apply the Law of conservation of energy, it means MANY extra steps.

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bangbus 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yeah. That thing looks like it might be a 100 KW. That’s a lot of club to charge one car. Plus, you’re gonna need something to tow the generator to the site. Probably rents for $1500/week. The amount of sheer waste in that photo is amazing.

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GenericInsult [S] 16 points ago +16 / -0

It's really funny when you see one of them on the side of the road getting an emergency mobile charge from a gas-powered generator.

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Snipthetipandsip 4 points ago +4 / -0

The thing is liberals also oppose nuclear power. If it wasn't for the talking heads, they'd have no opinion.

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YouNeedVPN 4 points ago +4 / -0

A diesel running only at optimal speed is almost certainly more efficient than multiple small gasoline engines that are rarely running at the optional rpm.

The materials required to make these cars on the other hand...

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masticator_nord 1 point ago +1 / -0

But in this scenario even if the diesel generator is more efficient than the gasoline engines, you still lose efficiency in the step of first generating electricity. I don't know enough about the particulars here to say whether the gas engines would win out (on average) in the end though.

It's been over a decade since I took thermodynamics, so I'm sure I'm messing up the terminology.

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YouNeedVPN 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's the multiple engines part that is the real killer. One big engine is head and shoulders better than multiple small. This is the reason that trains are one of the best transportation systems, and those are running that same diesel to electric conversion you mention.

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masticator_nord 1 point ago +1 / -0

That makes sense.

Thermodynamics is a weird subject to me in that I find it simultaneously very intuitive and very counterintuitive.

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SR91Aurora 2 points ago +2 / -0

If you're going to buy an electric car, you should probably own a home with a garage first.

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IncredibleMrE1 19 points ago +19 / -0

Thank God for the Chinese and their Uyghur and African slaves that mine all the rare earth minerals to make those batteries.

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ExileOnRedditStreet 18 points ago +18 / -0

Meanwhile, at the plastic factory

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Keep_on_winning_kag 10 points ago +12 / -2

Electric cars are gay.

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Snipthetipandsip 10 points ago +10 / -0

What's funny is most conservationists I've met have been pretty conservative. I did an event for a fishing tournament championship. They actively clean the water ways as part of their phalanthropy, and also give away jeeps and boats for grand prizes on tagged caught red drum. It's a great organization. Extremely pro trump.

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bangbus 3 points ago +3 / -0

I love conservation. Totally in favor of it. We hold Earth in trust for the next generations. But I’m still balls deep in oil stocks because hydrocarbons are the present and at least mid term future of energy on Earth.

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Snipthetipandsip 4 points ago +4 / -0

You don't play the markets because of how you personally feel, that's why you clean up after yourself. The most human trash I've ever seen was after a 30k person music festival and I can garentee every one attending has made some post on Facebook about how environmentally friendly they are.

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KonyHawk_ProSlaver 9 points ago +11 / -2

This looks so fucking stupid. That Tesla battery is going to die in 3 years, you're never allowed to charge it to 100% because it kills battery life... Imagine wanting another shitty tech device that dies on you because of its new "feature"?

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kernel 4 points ago +5 / -1

I think it is about 10 years, probably depends on usage.

Electric cars always work like this - only the cable from the coal power plant to the cars is much longer, usualy few kilometers.

Alright with one exception - nuclear.

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Snipthetipandsip 5 points ago +5 / -0

And Dems oppose nuclear power plants.... Retards.

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GeneralVeers 9 points ago +9 / -0

I saw what happened to Texas during the winter deep-freeze. Electricity at a SIX THOUSAND PERCENT markup.

Fuck your electric cars. I will never buy one. EVER.

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WuhunFastFoodCourt 3 points ago +6 / -3

Cool bro, we won't judge. We drive 'em because they're cheap to refuel, cheap to maintain, and fuckin fun to drive.

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WuhunFastFoodCourt 2 points ago +5 / -3

It's ok General. None of us electric owners look down on you for that. We're having too much fun with ours to throw rocks.

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GeneralVeers 1 point ago +2 / -1

You wouldn't be able to hit me--my car is actually faster than a thrown rock......... :)

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tdavis25 9 points ago +9 / -0

I love telling people with electric cars that their coal burner is worse than my diesel.

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Trump2024 8 points ago +10 / -2

I dated a woman who bought two Tesla when they first came out. Then she had solar panels covering her huge ass roof and three of the $50k (I think) battery banks. She wanted one to be charging while she drove the other. She ended up still needing to go to the super charge station often because solar wouldn't even keep one of them charged enough. She bought the free super charge use for life as part of her contract so it wasn't much of a problem. Her husband decided to leave with one of them and divorced her. It cost her just shy of a half a million dollars for her entire setup. For less money she could have bought a really sweet exotic racecar that would have held much of its value when she would sell it. Instead she has a coal burning conversation starter that will never have been worth the time or money.

It's sweeeet to drive but if you are driving in ludacris mode the battery doesn't last long. I wouldn't drive it in any mode less.

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sackofwisdom 5 points ago +6 / -1

People in this thread acting like they aren’t a sweeeet ride.

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Trump2024 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm with you fren. I prefer thin with a little extra jiggle but have surely enjoyed several larger ladies. As long as they're pretty and clean and not enormous I'm definitely down for a rodeo.

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DrSourRaspberries 3 points ago +4 / -1

It sounds like she has no idea what she was doing. I have solar panels and battery banks ($3K each) which are more than enough to power my large house and my Tesla day or night. Better yet, when there's a power outage I literally am unaffected.

There are benefits to gas and electricity. They are not perfect substitutes for each other.

As an example, I prefer to cook with gas rather than an electric stove because the temperature control is more direct and faster. I also have a V8 and love it (but my Tesla is safer and faster).

I'm no eco-freak but I love the tech for it's numerous advantages (like no blackouts, ever).

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Trump2024 1 point ago +1 / -0

It sounds like she has no idea what she was doing

I don't think I mentioned she's a liberal. She's extremely ditzy and borderline actually crazy. Really hot sex. Smoking hot body and anything goes. However, she has absolutely no sense and can't be reasoned with. She won't cut down trees even though they are blocking sun for part of the day. It's probably that she paid $15k for the three battery banks and not each. I couldn't put up with her retarded political ideas.

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DrSourRaspberries 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hahaha I used to know a girl like that. We separated a long time ago and had been drifting apart but after the most recent election she insisted I was "on the wrong side of history." That was the last straw in my mind so I decided to block her.

Now I am with a lovely girl who is a free thinker. We don't always agree but I know her thoughts are her own and I respect them. We're even able to debate without getting hurt feelings.

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Trump2024 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nice. The crazy rich chick was a very long time friend. About a year after my wife passed she finalized her divorce. She was a nice diversion for a while but her politics were so far out of line I couldn't even look at her without getting turned off. Stupid communists.

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WuhunFastFoodCourt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fuck dude, are you Arlo Guthrie doing a riff on "Alice's Restaurant?"

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cd3dog 7 points ago +7 / -0

How many BTUs can you get from a pound of stupidity? Now there's a renewable resource.....

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navycuda 7 points ago +8 / -1

EVs have their place. They make a great second car. Mine gets lots of use, but only as a puddle jumper. I take the turbo diesel for anything else.

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OnlyTrump20 6 points ago +6 / -0

People have been using golf cart vehicles for that for many decades now. Common in the old folks' communities. They take them to the grocery stores and such.

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Vallenwulf 7 points ago +7 / -0

I will never understand this. Where do these idiots think the electricity comes from?

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YouNeedVPN 6 points ago +6 / -0

Wind and sea turtles.

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Sparks1017 7 points ago +7 / -0

I just waited for an hour to get gas here in NC and paid over $3 a gallon when 4 short months ago I was paying $1.69 and plenty available. How I miss GEOTUS?

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KAG2020WIN 6 points ago +6 / -0

So I get into my petrol car... I turn it on and it burns the chemical energy it has on board to produce the mechanical energy to drive the wheels. Not super effeciant with limited technology and metallurgies, but not terrible.

I get in my electric car... So I take the coal and I put it in a giant furnace. I then burn it to convert the chemical energy into heat energy, which I then transfer into water to generate steam which is then put through a turbine where it is transfereed into mechanical energy that is put directly into a generator where the mechanical energy is then turned into electrical energy which is then transformed into higher voltages, sent across power lines long distances, where it is then transformed back into a lower voltage, then you plug in your car so that lower voltage can be stepped down even further and converted to DC power then it is then converted BACK into chemical energy so that when you hit the accelerator pedal the chemical energy can be released as electrical energy (through a bunch of controllers) which is then converted into mechanical energy at the wheeles.

Idk

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DrSourRaspberries 1 point ago +3 / -2

Depends on many factors. Tesla superchargers use renewable sources of electricity which often include solar panels at the supercharger location.

My Tesla is charged at my house by my solar panels and battery backup. Suffice to say it's situational.

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Skippious 6 points ago +6 / -0

But if I kick the can far enough down the road, I can't see it. And if I can't see it, I can feel smug.

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HeavyVetting 5 points ago +5 / -0

They can call this an "edge case" all they want, if they continue to force electric vehicles on everyone, this kind of thing will happen more and more often.

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BlitheringIdiot 5 points ago +5 / -0

This image currently has me laughing my ass of at the absurdity.

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Mrsattorney 5 points ago +6 / -1

Meanwhile, at the coal mines, which generate most of the electricity used to power electric cars...

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bangbus 1 point ago +1 / -0

To be fair there are a lot of nat gas plants coming on line. I don’t think the typical leftist realizes how utterly fucked we’d be without oil and nat gas.

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IntrepidEye 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Robust Energy Production" means absolutely nothing to these people. A mixed bag of everything (Solar, Gas, Coal, Hydro, Nuclear) and we'd have more energy than we would know what to do with. Windmill farms can go fuck themselves though.

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OnlyTrump20 5 points ago +6 / -1

How many dead eagles per mile does that get?

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kmilt16 2 points ago +2 / -0

☝️☝️☝️

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Icetor 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's called NIMBYism:

"Well I didn't put the gas into the combustion device that generates power, so the power I used that was generated by fossil fuels won't hurt the environment."

"The US is a huge polluter, so let's outsource all our manufacturing to India and China, because everyone knows that pollution in Beijing doesn't affect the US."

"The Paris Climate Accord is about stopping environmental destruction, especially once India and China reach their peak climate destruction in 10 years. Let's make sure the US pays for solar panels in Africa meanwhile."

"Alternative energy saves the planet, even though if you factor in all the mining, manufacturing, human abuse, and shipping costs, it would be less impactful to just burn coal for electricity."

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Huntercole 4 points ago +5 / -1

Just sounds like gasoline but with extra steps.

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TheOne1 4 points ago +4 / -0

What's the generator run on again?

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bangbus 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don’t know but I’ll bet if you load it with low quality biodiesel the rental place will make you buy it.

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MyOathNeverEnded 4 points ago +4 / -0

I have no problem with electric cars. What I take issue with is the mob of half wits who think they are saving Earth from CO2 aka plant food.

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WuhunFastFoodCourt -2 points ago +1 / -3

Duuuude. That's projection. Of the six electric owners that I know, none of us give a shit about muh environment. That's all from your side.

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MyOathNeverEnded 1 point ago +1 / -0

Keep making assumptions.

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Wolf_22 1 point ago +1 / -0

My only problem with EVs isn't the EVs themselves but rather, their roadies. Now, before I continue, I have to honestly admit to not really knowing any EV owners who act like losers about their cars and that's including the single Tesla owner I know who's never once tried to push himself or his car onto others. He's actually an alright guy.

So with that in mind, I've lost count to the number of EV-owning douche bags that I've crossed swords with online who want to push this shit onto everyone else. Their noise is always preceded by things like, "This is progress!" or "ICEs will be outlawed!", etc., etc., etc. They love to astroturf their views on websites like Reddit, The HIll, etc. A lot of it is political, but I think a lot comes from younger people who rarely think beyond their noses or consider the preferences of others. Those are the people I hate with every fiber of my body and they're the primary reason I'm sticking with gas-powered vehicles: I don't like being told what to do or buy by people who don't even know me. They've completely turned me off to these cars and what's sad is that I used to think Teslas were cool. But even once you get past the roadies and all of their bullshit, I'm still not convinced that these things are as cost-friendly as their proponents try to make them sound and they always have much more software-based points-of-failure than a traditional gas-powered vehicle has. (At least, from what I've seen, they tend to because you always see and hear about these cars not starting or being forced to be pulled over due to some update failure, some glitch with the battery management software, sensory functionality going awry, etc.)

But hey, more power to people if they want a car like this. No car is perfect and in their defense, these cars have some cool things. I just wish people who try to push this shit onto everyone, well, WOULDN'T.

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ProudWhiteMan 4 points ago +4 / -0

instead of throwing smoke all over town they throw smoke in one spot hopefully far from town

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BurtMcGirt 3 points ago +4 / -1

They are definitely better for communist control over a population.

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ComebackKing 3 points ago +4 / -1

I love my EV but I'm under no illusion that's it better for the environment. I know full well that CO2 does not cause climate change. I know that climate change is natural and normal and a slight increase in a trace gas has nothing to do with anything other than possibly greening the Earth. I know that the greatest explosion of life on this planet happened with CO2 around 4,000 ppm (I might be off by a bit).

If you've not driven an EV then you would not understand. So smooth, so quiet, so damned fast. Elon seems like a real twat to me but he makes one badass car. I love never having to go to the gas station and I love the near zero maintenance.

People stop me sometimes to talk about my car and I'm happy to talk. Until the point they say I'm helping the environment. Probably a lot of them are just trying to be nice, but I correct the, every time.

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Lovethycountry 3 points ago +3 / -0

Can you hear that diesel engine humming along??

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tiredofwinning2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

That’s just a more transparent setup of what already happens when you plug it in pretty much anywhere else.

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james43552352345 3 points ago +3 / -0

This reminds of the North east. Kinder Morgan was going to build a new natural gas pipeline to supply natural gas to the North East. They already have some of the highest natural gas and electricity prices even though they sit right next to a huge natural gas field. The environmentalists went and shut down a bunch of coal plants and said renewable energy would replace it.

The end result was that the transmission line from Canada (supplying hydropower) wasn't approved and also the natural gas pipeline wasn't approved either. Electricity prices spiked even higher and when a cold event hit, they were so low of sources of energy that they actually imported diesel fuel from Russia to run diesel generators to make electricity.

It has been like this for a few years now and only now are they starting to build these renewable energy projects.

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Dirk_Diggler 3 points ago +3 / -0

Clearly, thermodynamics escapes their comprehension.

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Pederella 3 points ago +3 / -0

When the power was out for days in Texas (subject for a different discussion), a great many people used their internal combustion engine vehicles to warm up and to keep phones charged. Not so much with the electric cars. Same happens after hurricanes.

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friendlyratz 3 points ago +3 / -0

I've just come to accept that most people are mentally retarded. They will argue with you until they're blue in the face even when presented with cold hard facts that disprove their moronic agendas. That is the way they have been programmed. They used to throw around the term "Russian bot" a lot when referring to conservatives during the Trump presidency, just another one of those take a look in the mirror moments for liberals/leftist.

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Prehistoric_MAGA 2 points ago +3 / -1

Exactly. Not everyone who drives an EV thinks they’re saving the planet. Tesla is a tech company and they make cars that are fun to drive. That’s why people buy them.

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Alexius_von_Meinong 3 points ago +3 / -0

fire up your trusty old diesel generator. You're gonna need it.

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remember1776 3 points ago +3 / -0

what a fuckin scam

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Sgt_Hatred 3 points ago +3 / -0

500000 pounds of material must be mined and processed to produce a single 1000 pound car battery than lasts for only 10 years. nice.

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Jimmy33 3 points ago +4 / -1

Daddy, where does electricity come from? Daddy, what’s a battery made of?

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OnlyTrump20 3 points ago +3 / -0

Batteries come from child labor in African mines, digging up little buckets of the special elements needed to make batteries.

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FantifaHunter 2 points ago +2 / -0

And the US still has only 1 junk yard to dispose of those massive batteries. Believe it's in New Mexico or Arizona.

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IntrepidEye 0 points ago +1 / -1

Redwood Materials is already working to scale up Lithium battery recycling. The raw materials from the batteries can be reused a near infinite number of times according to J.B. Straubel.

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zerocooltx 2 points ago +2 / -0

America still gets a lot of its electricity from burning coal. So you are choosing to burn coal instead of gas.

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bugilt 2 points ago +2 / -0

The old bait and switch. It's funny seeing how the whole thing went down. They took over the green movement which was a issue for them and turned it into money. You don't hear much about pollution these days do you? The ozone layer musta healed itself.

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Omniwulf 2 points ago +2 / -0

Seeing that the power grid is not equipped to handle the load it would be asked to do if Biden has his way and converts all gov vehicles to electric. This meme is a good representation of the future

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RDDPro 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've seen the exact same situation with my own lying eyes in Ann Arbor Michigan of all places. Shake your head insane. Meanwhile cue up the images of lithium strip mines.

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kompromatdotwin 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's green, so it MUST be good!!

... wait,

is that the 'Green New Deal' i've been hearing about???