This was so hard for me to accept. I was taught my own ancestors were monsters from an early age, that we were the most evil people in the world.
Then when I actually look at things objectively the entire story falls apart.
People say, well how can so many people be tricked, Well just look at Covid or the election fraud
The British goods blockade even after Germany stopped fighting in WW1 starved around a million German civilians. You have to wonder how much that contributed directly to Germany looking for more farmland to the East to prevent enemies being able to do that in the future - and directly to WW2 and more US deaths.
It's OK, no politicians responsible for things like this are ever held accountable.
I've never heard anything about that, and my grandmother who was there never said anything that matches that story. According to her she was starving during the war and everything got better after the Americans came. Closest thing she ever told me that was remotely negative about the Americans was during the war her families house got hit by a American bomb.
My Grandpa was Jewish German. He never blamed Germans, he blamed the NAZI party and was well aware they were experts at deceiving the masses. Unfortunately he did not teach his arrogant son, my father, to understand such things or the risk of perfect obedience and conformity.
I am now the only one in my family who has not been vaccinated. I now assume I will outlive them all. Even my younger healthier brother.
Thats why I skipped rumble, completely unnecessary.
To stay up to date with the news, I cant get it from the mainstream, that boat has sailed and is never coming back. Also for hopium, I wanna see the good guys win! Welcome Z.
Hitler killed at least 12 million unarmed citizens, not 6 million.
The Catholic victims lives matter.
The Polish victims lives matter.
The Romani victims lives matter.
The homosexuals lives matter.
The people who had birth defects - their lives matter too.
The victims of the Nazi labor and death camps, by medical experimentation, overwork, starvation, gunshot, and poison gas all count, unless you believe that only one type of life matters.
Yeah, the '6 million Jews' number is the only thing pushed by the media, he actually killed more non-Jews. (Not saying Jews weren't more heavily targeted, but there were more non-Jew victims.)
I'm quite willing to believe that between mass graves, actual cremations, and people who fled and were assumed dead the number reaches proximity to the narrative that's pushed. The real X-factor is that third number, and we'll likely never know the true extent of "missing, presumed dead, actually under Soviet rule".
I have trouble believing the extermination narrative. I have no doubt people were killed in camps but final solution as extermination seems far fetched given there was no order for it ever found.
Here is a good documentary from an American Jewish scholar surrounding the inconsistencies in the mainstream Holocaust narrative:
Again I know people died in German camps but it seems like a lot of the mass murder was done by the soviets and blamed on the Germans. Maybe to justify the Americans and communists working together? Seems like the communist regimes in history were just so much worse and all we talk about is Hitler.
Funny, I got banned from the "ConsumeProduct" community because I summarized the experience of my wife's grandmother (not Jewish) in one of the German camps. (The official reason for the ban was that I "defended porn", though.)
For sure I did, but somehow the ban was in a thread that was promoting Holocaust denial, and my testimonial was highly inconvenient.
This thread encourages folks to own guns, but comments like yours make me unsure if I need them to defend against the communists, or against you. How are you not a threat to my freedom?
I think all gun laws go against the 2nd amendment and teenagers should learn to use them in high school. I don't believe hate speech exists. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I detest Communism, CRT, oligopolies.
Agreed on 2nd Amendment, communism, CRT, oligopolies, assumption of innocence, and "hate speech".
It's a threat to freedom if you'd like to impose similar top-down edicts as the left wants to impose, just about different things. The left wants to ban "hate speech", but I don't see how banning pornography is different, or less of a violation of 1st Amendment.
If you just want to criticize pornography, then of course fine, go ahead, I welcome your viewpoints on the topic. Those viewpoints may be useful to people who are unable to use porn constructively, but I don't find that a valid reason to ban everyone using it. For a lot of people, porn is fun and we are able to use it constructively. It is not opposed to a healthy marital life or a traditional nuclear family.
I may dislike the fact you try to normalize degeneracy but I commend you for the civil dialogue you bring. And we do agree on most subjects.
I never mentioned banning porn. You did 'cause there are many on ConsumeProduct.win that would agree to banning it. I think watching porn and frequent masturbation should be strictly discouraged but not banned. It should be taboo, as homosexuality ought to be instead of celebrated and pushed everywhere.
I'm not for making the lives of homosexuals miserable but I do agree with banning them from being able to marry. Is this trampling on their 1st Amendment right to the pursuit of happiness? I'd argue it isn't - they can create their own bonding ceremony that has the same tax and other benefits marriage has. Allowing them to marry normalizes their behaviour. I don't want to normalize their behaviour just as I don't want to normalize teenagers talking about masturbating as if it's a casual topic of conversation among friends and society as a whole has no problem with it.
I went from one subject to another because I am against banning one and for banning the other. What are your thoughts on this?
Pornography is cancer. It creates weak men, who create weak families, which create weak societies. People should have the freedom to do what is good, not what is evil. We don’t give people the “freedom” to murder, rape, or rob, do we?
Feudal Japan had "sword control." Only authorized and loyal smiths were allowed to make and distribute swords. Only pledged and loyal samurai were allowed to train with them. As a result, hundreds of villages across the countryside were completely unarmed and defenseless. They were totally dependant on their feudal lord and local samurai for defense against raiding bandits or criminals. Essentially they were serfs/slaves due to their lack of arms and training. Never were the peasants able to rise up. Ruling class traded hands between military dictatorship and monarchy. Today, still there is strict sword and gun control.
They weren't exactly unarmed though. Plenty of farming tools could be used as weapons. Kusari gama was a simpme sickle with a weighted chain attached at the end. There were also bo staffs, halbreds, tridents (fishing spears). Entire fighting styles were developed around these pheasant weapons.
Hitler didn't murder 6m citizens. We murdered countless Germans after the war, and population levels of jews before and after the war do not support 6m dead, not even 1m.
To be fair, a big portion of Mao and Stalin's kill count were from mass starvation.
Kind of funny how it happened, in Mao's case. They ask the peasant farming communes to commit to a production goal. The central party sets a totally unrealistic goal, and not wanting to be seen as bad communists, the inept local bureaucrats say no problem!
Season ends, the farms yield a pretty good haul, but it's way short of the impossible goal. So Mao says it must be the birds stealing grain. All of China takes this as a command to kill all the birds.
Birds eat insects. Insects eat crops. No birds, too many insects, no crops. Mass starvation, because some academic dipshit thought he had all the answers.
Many other millions were killed in the civil war called the Cultural Revolution, again, sparked by Mao. He felt the country needed an enemy so he started fear mongering that all your neighbors could be counter-revolutionaries and it's up to you to report them.
I'm not saying they can't be blamed for the starvation. Just pointing out they didn't line up and execute tens of millions of people like the photo suggests.
In the Gulags this happened in hundreds of different camps all throughout the year... it usually wasn't by bullet because grains of lead were worth more than a human life there... it usually happened with subsequent beatings, forced exposure to the elements, sickness from forced exposure to heinous living conditions, psychological torture which led people to give up the will to live, withholding of basic human nourishment....
The OP said "don't ever give up your guns". I'd preface that with "don't ever cease killing Communists"
In Cuba's case they gave them up willingly after years of fighting a revolution. It was a bloody one and I guess people were tired of all the killing. It was not known that Castro was a communist. The leaders of the other factions died fighting Batista.
Those who had any sense at the time escaped to the US.
You just listed almost all of the lefts idols. They love all of those people. Don’t forget Che Guevara. They literally wear shirts with his face on it.
In gas chambers with wooden, inwards-opening doors, fake chimneys, and no traces of zyklon B gas found in the walls. But Hollywood says he did, so it must be true.
Only those who accept their violent death as a consequence for acting will truly embrace this meme. So that is 0.1% of the citizenry. I'm a non-violent person and value life, so I have no idea where I stand because it's one thing to think what you would do and it's another thing what you actually do when the time comes.
We can't especially with the current leftists vying for power. Who would deny they wouldn't try to kill us working class white folks? THEY WOULD CERTAINLY TRY TO KILL US.
Only a small fraction of the population were hardcore Communists. Most, were poor peasants just trying to survive. Look at our current situation in a America. It's only a very small, but vocal percentage that are hardcore Communist, yet the far-Left control our universities, K-12 education system, Hollywood, sorts & entertainment industry, the Media, the Internet, the upper- level military leadership, the major U.S. cities, and all 3 branches of our government. So what is America at this point in time?? 40% Socialist? 50%?
The Mao number is quite lowballed. It's at least 90 million, and most likely quite a bit bigger than that.
Yeah said the same thing. The fucker holds the highest killcount of any commie by and astronomical amount. It's not even funny...
This was so hard for me to accept. I was taught my own ancestors were monsters from an early age, that we were the most evil people in the world. Then when I actually look at things objectively the entire story falls apart.
People say, well how can so many people be tricked, Well just look at Covid or the election fraud
The British goods blockade even after Germany stopped fighting in WW1 starved around a million German civilians. You have to wonder how much that contributed directly to Germany looking for more farmland to the East to prevent enemies being able to do that in the future - and directly to WW2 and more US deaths.
It's OK, no politicians responsible for things like this are ever held accountable.
Sorry bud. The track record of Communism is self-apparent. What point are you trying to make?
Cant answer the question can you?
Don't you have a Marxist book burning to attend or something?
Germans.. Marxist... what lol
Pointing it out to the idiots. What are you going to contribute?
I've never heard anything about that, and my grandmother who was there never said anything that matches that story. According to her she was starving during the war and everything got better after the Americans came. Closest thing she ever told me that was remotely negative about the Americans was during the war her families house got hit by a American bomb.
My Grandpa was Jewish German. He never blamed Germans, he blamed the NAZI party and was well aware they were experts at deceiving the masses. Unfortunately he did not teach his arrogant son, my father, to understand such things or the risk of perfect obedience and conformity.
I am now the only one in my family who has not been vaccinated. I now assume I will outlive them all. Even my younger healthier brother.
What did the deleted comment say?
It was a comment about the numbers in World War II not adding up, 95% upvoated so naturally, it was censored
Welcome, what brings you to this site?
That person posted facts and I've been here since before the Donald split into mr_trump back on reddit.
The allies killed Germany's POW'S via starvation.
Thats why I skipped rumble, completely unnecessary. To stay up to date with the news, I cant get it from the mainstream, that boat has sailed and is never coming back. Also for hopium, I wanna see the good guys win! Welcome Z.
Oh look, handshake account faggot with antisemitic post.
The truth is antisemitic apparently
History is a little more complicated than "it's the jeeewwwwwws"
Who runs all the media companies that keep pumping out the anti-Trump, white racism, BLM, Marxist propaganda you hate?
Just honest people, making a honest wage, right? No hidden agenda to destroy another great country, right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Where does critical race theory originate from??
Then explain why they have been expelled 109 times though out human history.
Oh yes let's take the example of 100+ shithole countries, because they're all doing so well.
Think of the Italian Mafia, but global.
Is it that hard to grasp?
How many Italians were part of the Mafia? How many Italians were victimized by the Mafia?
And, as I recall, there's some kind of organized crime for every race. That often preys on members of their own race.
So, what's so special about Jews that we need to be concerned with all Jews when we don't think that way about Irish, Russians, etc.
Banking and corporate monopolies.
So, every banker is a Jew, and every Jew is a banker?
Stop trying to simplify it
Hitler killed at least 12 million unarmed citizens, not 6 million.
The Catholic victims lives matter.
The Polish victims lives matter.
The Romani victims lives matter.
The homosexuals lives matter.
The people who had birth defects - their lives matter too.
The victims of the Nazi labor and death camps, by medical experimentation, overwork, starvation, gunshot, and poison gas all count, unless you believe that only one type of life matters.
Imagine living in 2021 and believing in gas chambers with wooden doors
Yeah, the '6 million Jews' number is the only thing pushed by the media, he actually killed more non-Jews. (Not saying Jews weren't more heavily targeted, but there were more non-Jew victims.)
The six million number comes from pre-WWII German newspapers.
Based
Sorry, mate, but it probably takes more than five years to bake 12 million pizzas
I'm quite willing to believe that between mass graves, actual cremations, and people who fled and were assumed dead the number reaches proximity to the narrative that's pushed. The real X-factor is that third number, and we'll likely never know the true extent of "missing, presumed dead, actually under Soviet rule".
If there were mass graves, how come ground radar has found no evidence of them?
Quite a few have been found, but nowhere near enough to hold a million bodies, much less six or twelve.
I have trouble believing the extermination narrative. I have no doubt people were killed in camps but final solution as extermination seems far fetched given there was no order for it ever found.
Here is a good documentary from an American Jewish scholar surrounding the inconsistencies in the mainstream Holocaust narrative:
https://archive.org/details/DavidColeInAuschwitz
Again I know people died in German camps but it seems like a lot of the mass murder was done by the soviets and blamed on the Germans. Maybe to justify the Americans and communists working together? Seems like the communist regimes in history were just so much worse and all we talk about is Hitler.
Funny, I got banned from the "ConsumeProduct" community because I summarized the experience of my wife's grandmother (not Jewish) in one of the German camps. (The official reason for the ban was that I "defended porn", though.)
You're a cuck faggot who supports porn and masturbation. If memory serves, you bragged you made a porno with your "hot wife".
For sure I did, but somehow the ban was in a thread that was promoting Holocaust denial, and my testimonial was highly inconvenient.
This thread encourages folks to own guns, but comments like yours make me unsure if I need them to defend against the communists, or against you. How are you not a threat to my freedom?
I think all gun laws go against the 2nd amendment and teenagers should learn to use them in high school. I don't believe hate speech exists. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I detest Communism, CRT, oligopolies.
How am I a threat to your freedom?
Agreed on 2nd Amendment, communism, CRT, oligopolies, assumption of innocence, and "hate speech".
It's a threat to freedom if you'd like to impose similar top-down edicts as the left wants to impose, just about different things. The left wants to ban "hate speech", but I don't see how banning pornography is different, or less of a violation of 1st Amendment.
If you just want to criticize pornography, then of course fine, go ahead, I welcome your viewpoints on the topic. Those viewpoints may be useful to people who are unable to use porn constructively, but I don't find that a valid reason to ban everyone using it. For a lot of people, porn is fun and we are able to use it constructively. It is not opposed to a healthy marital life or a traditional nuclear family.
I may dislike the fact you try to normalize degeneracy but I commend you for the civil dialogue you bring. And we do agree on most subjects.
I never mentioned banning porn. You did 'cause there are many on ConsumeProduct.win that would agree to banning it. I think watching porn and frequent masturbation should be strictly discouraged but not banned. It should be taboo, as homosexuality ought to be instead of celebrated and pushed everywhere.
I'm not for making the lives of homosexuals miserable but I do agree with banning them from being able to marry. Is this trampling on their 1st Amendment right to the pursuit of happiness? I'd argue it isn't - they can create their own bonding ceremony that has the same tax and other benefits marriage has. Allowing them to marry normalizes their behaviour. I don't want to normalize their behaviour just as I don't want to normalize teenagers talking about masturbating as if it's a casual topic of conversation among friends and society as a whole has no problem with it.
I went from one subject to another because I am against banning one and for banning the other. What are your thoughts on this?
I honestly don't understand this apparently widespread idea that you can be "for freedom" and "against porn". 🤦♂️
It's no different than blaming obesity on Big Macs and manufacturers of chocolates.
Pornography is cancer. It creates weak men, who create weak families, which create weak societies. People should have the freedom to do what is good, not what is evil. We don’t give people the “freedom” to murder, rape, or rob, do we?
Feudal Japan had "sword control." Only authorized and loyal smiths were allowed to make and distribute swords. Only pledged and loyal samurai were allowed to train with them. As a result, hundreds of villages across the countryside were completely unarmed and defenseless. They were totally dependant on their feudal lord and local samurai for defense against raiding bandits or criminals. Essentially they were serfs/slaves due to their lack of arms and training. Never were the peasants able to rise up. Ruling class traded hands between military dictatorship and monarchy. Today, still there is strict sword and gun control.
Yet the lack of diversity makes them quite resistant to the brand of Marxism we see in the US today.
They weren't exactly unarmed though. Plenty of farming tools could be used as weapons. Kusari gama was a simpme sickle with a weighted chain attached at the end. There were also bo staffs, halbreds, tridents (fishing spears). Entire fighting styles were developed around these pheasant weapons.
Hitler didn't murder 6m citizens. We murdered countless Germans after the war, and population levels of jews before and after the war do not support 6m dead, not even 1m.
Careful now, that’s a dangerous amount of truth you’re spouting
Yeah don't wanna get downvoted and deported...
Yep. International bankers don’t want you knowing about their crimes
To be fair, a big portion of Mao and Stalin's kill count were from mass starvation.
Kind of funny how it happened, in Mao's case. They ask the peasant farming communes to commit to a production goal. The central party sets a totally unrealistic goal, and not wanting to be seen as bad communists, the inept local bureaucrats say no problem!
Season ends, the farms yield a pretty good haul, but it's way short of the impossible goal. So Mao says it must be the birds stealing grain. All of China takes this as a command to kill all the birds.
Birds eat insects. Insects eat crops. No birds, too many insects, no crops. Mass starvation, because some academic dipshit thought he had all the answers.
Many other millions were killed in the civil war called the Cultural Revolution, again, sparked by Mao. He felt the country needed an enemy so he started fear mongering that all your neighbors could be counter-revolutionaries and it's up to you to report them.
To be fair until you read Gulag Archipelago you don't know what you're talking about.
Saying Stalin's kill count is starvation is like saying "guns kill people, people don't kill people"
That book changed my outlook on life.
I'm not saying they can't be blamed for the starvation. Just pointing out they didn't line up and execute tens of millions of people like the photo suggests.
There are 6 people being executed in the photo...
In the Gulags this happened in hundreds of different camps all throughout the year... it usually wasn't by bullet because grains of lead were worth more than a human life there... it usually happened with subsequent beatings, forced exposure to the elements, sickness from forced exposure to heinous living conditions, psychological torture which led people to give up the will to live, withholding of basic human nourishment....
The OP said "don't ever give up your guns". I'd preface that with "don't ever cease killing Communists"
Exactly. Dead is Dead, doesn't really mater how you do it.
now someone 'splain to me how dey got their guns "taken away"??
they run outta ammo or some shit? Tf they think the gun was for? Decoration??
In Cuba's case they gave them up willingly after years of fighting a revolution. It was a bloody one and I guess people were tired of all the killing. It was not known that Castro was a communist. The leaders of the other factions died fighting Batista. Those who had any sense at the time escaped to the US.
A guy at my work said Castro was good. I didn’t even know how to respond I was so shocked.
Said people are just communist haters.
Ummmmm yeh? No shit people are
I wonder why Hitler is demonized the most... 🤔
You just listed almost all of the lefts idols. They love all of those people. Don’t forget Che Guevara. They literally wear shirts with his face on it.
Hitler and friends nabbed more than six million. Gypsies, Slavs, and a wide array of political dissidents but only one group matters apparently...
Planned Parenthood: "Those are rookie numbers."
It's definitely coming here, despite all the guns, because no one is gonna do shit.
Hitler murdered far more then that. Was many more millions. Mao murdered 100 million.
In gas chambers with wooden, inwards-opening doors, fake chimneys, and no traces of zyklon B gas found in the walls. But Hollywood says he did, so it must be true.
Add Pavelic with about 0.5 M
That isn't even a complete list. Pol pot should be on there
So - Why does the collective consensus only focuses on those 6 million? Stalin almost did a 10x right there and nobody mentions those.
Hitler killed Bolsheviks, not people.
Only those who accept their violent death as a consequence for acting will truly embrace this meme. So that is 0.1% of the citizenry. I'm a non-violent person and value life, so I have no idea where I stand because it's one thing to think what you would do and it's another thing what you actually do when the time comes.
Must keep 2A, patriots will have to purge this country of communists.
Thank you. I just made a commitment to not give up my guns. Written out and notarized. Lol jk I was NEVER gonna give up my guns!
I guess this person forgot the 5 million Christians Hitler murdered in addition to the Jews.
We can't especially with the current leftists vying for power. Who would deny they wouldn't try to kill us working class white folks? THEY WOULD CERTAINLY TRY TO KILL US.
why do we only highlight jewish people killed by hitler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
Weird...
Bottom line, don't bring a pitch fork to a gun fight.
Mao's numbers are unironically downplayed. He's the fps king. Highest k/d.
To be fair, Stalin and Mao killed communists, so yay?
Only a small fraction of the population were hardcore Communists. Most, were poor peasants just trying to survive. Look at our current situation in a America. It's only a very small, but vocal percentage that are hardcore Communist, yet the far-Left control our universities, K-12 education system, Hollywood, sorts & entertainment industry, the Media, the Internet, the upper- level military leadership, the major U.S. cities, and all 3 branches of our government. So what is America at this point in time?? 40% Socialist? 50%?
First people killed under soviet communism were Poles. Then Kulaks.