I've been hearing how they are in full panic for 5 years now... Here we are, basically 7 months past the election and there is exactly dick to show for it. Are we really expecting anything to come of this? The left is just going to admit it was stolen and hand the oval back over to Trump..?
I agree with your sentiment, which is why I'm glad they are looking at the actual ballots instead of wasting time debating the voting machines. Nearly impossible to show without a doubt that the machines or code changed the results without looking at the underlying data, which is the ballots.
If the ballots don't show hard proof, then the election wasn't stolen and the grifters need to be purged with conviction. If they're right, then the opposition needs to be purged with even greater conviction.
I understand not jumping the gun, but if proof of fraud is emerging in AZ, they need to pause a moment and provide an update. Waiting until the end of June like a queer surprise party isn't going to fly with anyone.
Yes, I understand that they fear the response if they show their cards at this point, but if you have the evidence, what does it matter if you finish the audit or not?
My concern is that after a certain point, none of it matters. If its drug out another year then there is precisely a 0% chance that Biden is removed. Everyday that passes with nothing done indicates nothing ever will be done. Eventually, public resentment on the right will just fade away, we will end up taking it in the ass and ignoring it like everything else the right gets outraged over then forgets about. It all just seems like another scam to pacify the right into blind obedience as they wait for 'someone to do something'.
Nothing will be done to get Biden out of office. It just won't happen. We need to have proof of how these people actually committed the fraud so we can change the laws and make sure the next election is fair. I hate to say that, but it's realistic. The Republicans saying "Oh well, we will get them next time" while not addressing the fraud are the enemy.
lol this is a typical response. You don't know dick about me, how productive I am or how successful I am. Being honest isn't moping, just like pretending everything is butterflies and rainbows doesn't make it so. I would counter with, burying your head in the sand and telling yourself everything is gravy wont generate some prophecy you so desperately want.
You took my response very personally, but it wasn't a personal affront. You're evaluating everything in black and white and assuming if you're a pessimist that the only alternative is for me to be an optimist. I'm a realist, so I don't tend to create self-fulfilling prophecies - I roll with the punches. I pray for peace and prepare for war.
I think anyone reading this exchange will be able to tell that one of us is negative and the other is neutral.
Your negativity is a self-fulfilling prophecy. I suggest you stop moping about and be ready to act once the facts come out.
Really, that wasn't a personal affront?
You say your a realist but your point is, in a nutshell, wait and act once some more 'damning' info comes out. How did that work out for the Hillary investigation after we basically found out she was feeding China info in real time? How did that work out when we all found out the entire 'Russia Collusion' was completely fabricated and they tried to frame a sitting president for treason? How did it work out when we found out that Joe Biden had used a Billion dollars in foreign aid money to keep his kid out of trouble and raking in millions?
You don't sound like a realist. A realist is a person that accepts and deals with things the way they are, the truth of the matter. Your "wait and act when we learn more" is garbage and you know it. That method is the same song and dance that has been played over and over. How is that working out? That line of thinking, in my opinion, is the problem, which was basically the point from the start.
You're so angry and so terribly stupid. Yes, you are treating my response as a personal affront. I didn't say it was, I said you are acting as if it were a personal affront. You are so ready to start a fight on the internet that you can't even understand what I've written properly.
What is there to act on as it relates to voter fraud, which is the point of this exchange? The answer: no hard evidence. As I pointed out in my first response to you, AZ is the only state that is moving in the right direction by evaluating the ballots. To paraphrase Rasheed Wallace: Ballots don't lie! And that is my point. Nothing more and nothing else. Go run along and fight someone else.
Something I don’t think people also consider is if for some reason we have an unprecedented outcome and Trump were to be put back in office, wouldn’t we only have him for 3 years? We get cheated out a year of his presidency. Although 3 years after one of Biden would be way better than having 4 of Kamala/Biden.
I'm not sure how that would work constitutionally. Like you pointed out, it's unprecedented and I'd imagine no one figured people would egregiously cheat. Therefore, no specific conditions for these circumstances are laid out.
they are so not afraid that they no longer want delays, just a NO STANDING and close it.
This is a GOP fund raising scheme, after the morale went down the drain and Trump keeps his support, they had to do some thing. See: GA and the 130k ballots at 4am with no action
I think the thought here is that they assumed it'd be easy to shutdown the audit but its proving harder than expected so they're like "oh shit hold on we gotta take this down quickly."
Many people on Jan 6 thought Trump was going to offer hard irrefutable evidence on fraud. So far we have been given statistical anomalies and procedural hanky-Panky like kicking out observers or changing voting laws. If they have insane amount of physical ballots that are fake or voting machines that show no fraud that changes everything.
They have video evidence of people putting ballots into the counter after everyone leaves and then the votes go 100% for Biden. You aren't going to get better evidence than that. The people in power and the media just gaslighted everyone by repeating the lie that there was no evidence and that will continue here no matter what they find.
That video is super suspect and I think it was fraud, but they can simply say that is normal and that it lacks context to brush it aside. Physical Fraudulent ballots being held up by the thousands in front of a camera would require more mental gymnastics to explain away in the media.
I don't think so. They will just come up with some lame explanation like they did for the video and then gaslight everyone. They will never except that there was fraud. No matter how much evidence you show.
I totally agree they will act like it isn’t true, as with Hunter Biden laptop. I’m not sure how much fire will catch with the media doing it’s thing but when Trump starts doing rallies and talking bout it and chanting slogans bout it, it will be discussed.
What is an expected timeline for that? One year? Two years? Do you think the people that rigged it to begin with arn't going to do irreparable damage in that time? Do you think, even if they had the most hard concrete proof imaginable, it would make a bit of difference, that those people that are in total control of every faucet of government, big tech, education, irs, LE, and military are just going to give it up when found out?
At this point I'm pretty blackpilled on the whole thing. I don't think it will matter in the slightest, those that rigged it all control everything and all the disenfranchised will continue to wait for 'something' to be done about it knowing full well that nothing will really ever be done. It seems like another con job, just like the investigation into Hillary, and the investigation into the coup, the investigation into Biden/Ukraine, etc, etc. It feels like we are fooling ourselves and just kicking the can down the road. The time to act has passed and now we are going to be stuck between a rock and communism because any actual action was considered a false flag, optics, or a 'glowie'.
I’ll admit I’m not sure how effective the response will be but let us say for example “16% of ballots in our possession are fraudulent” Is what comes out.....there will be a RESPONSE.
I don't think there's a chance somehow Joe Biden is removed and Trump is put back in, although I think the deep state thought the process to shut down the audit would be quicker and smoother, but now there are complications in their plan to do so, so it's a slight panic like "oh shit they're not accepting our immediate demands to shutdown, we gotta deal with this."
Of course they probably will shut down the audit at some point because of the Biden presidency and everyone in government agencies is basically a Biden loyalist except for very few.
I've been hearing how they are in full panic for 5 years now... Here we are, basically 7 months past the election and there is exactly dick to show for it. Are we really expecting anything to come of this? The left is just going to admit it was stolen and hand the oval back over to Trump..?
I agree with your sentiment, which is why I'm glad they are looking at the actual ballots instead of wasting time debating the voting machines. Nearly impossible to show without a doubt that the machines or code changed the results without looking at the underlying data, which is the ballots.
If the ballots don't show hard proof, then the election wasn't stolen and the grifters need to be purged with conviction. If they're right, then the opposition needs to be purged with even greater conviction.
I understand not jumping the gun, but if proof of fraud is emerging in AZ, they need to pause a moment and provide an update. Waiting until the end of June like a queer surprise party isn't going to fly with anyone.
Yes, I understand that they fear the response if they show their cards at this point, but if you have the evidence, what does it matter if you finish the audit or not?
My concern is that after a certain point, none of it matters. If its drug out another year then there is precisely a 0% chance that Biden is removed. Everyday that passes with nothing done indicates nothing ever will be done. Eventually, public resentment on the right will just fade away, we will end up taking it in the ass and ignoring it like everything else the right gets outraged over then forgets about. It all just seems like another scam to pacify the right into blind obedience as they wait for 'someone to do something'.
Nothing will be done to get Biden out of office. It just won't happen. We need to have proof of how these people actually committed the fraud so we can change the laws and make sure the next election is fair. I hate to say that, but it's realistic. The Republicans saying "Oh well, we will get them next time" while not addressing the fraud are the enemy.
Your negativity is a self-fulfilling prophecy. I suggest you stop moping about and be ready to act once the facts come out.
Sorry for the terse response, but you only get out what you put in. And you're putting in a shitty attitude.
lol this is a typical response. You don't know dick about me, how productive I am or how successful I am. Being honest isn't moping, just like pretending everything is butterflies and rainbows doesn't make it so. I would counter with, burying your head in the sand and telling yourself everything is gravy wont generate some prophecy you so desperately want.
You took my response very personally, but it wasn't a personal affront. You're evaluating everything in black and white and assuming if you're a pessimist that the only alternative is for me to be an optimist. I'm a realist, so I don't tend to create self-fulfilling prophecies - I roll with the punches. I pray for peace and prepare for war.
I think anyone reading this exchange will be able to tell that one of us is negative and the other is neutral.
Really, that wasn't a personal affront?
You say your a realist but your point is, in a nutshell, wait and act once some more 'damning' info comes out. How did that work out for the Hillary investigation after we basically found out she was feeding China info in real time? How did that work out when we all found out the entire 'Russia Collusion' was completely fabricated and they tried to frame a sitting president for treason? How did it work out when we found out that Joe Biden had used a Billion dollars in foreign aid money to keep his kid out of trouble and raking in millions?
You don't sound like a realist. A realist is a person that accepts and deals with things the way they are, the truth of the matter. Your "wait and act when we learn more" is garbage and you know it. That method is the same song and dance that has been played over and over. How is that working out? That line of thinking, in my opinion, is the problem, which was basically the point from the start.
You're so angry and so terribly stupid. Yes, you are treating my response as a personal affront. I didn't say it was, I said you are acting as if it were a personal affront. You are so ready to start a fight on the internet that you can't even understand what I've written properly.
What is there to act on as it relates to voter fraud, which is the point of this exchange? The answer: no hard evidence. As I pointed out in my first response to you, AZ is the only state that is moving in the right direction by evaluating the ballots. To paraphrase Rasheed Wallace: Ballots don't lie! And that is my point. Nothing more and nothing else. Go run along and fight someone else.
Well said.
Something I don’t think people also consider is if for some reason we have an unprecedented outcome and Trump were to be put back in office, wouldn’t we only have him for 3 years? We get cheated out a year of his presidency. Although 3 years after one of Biden would be way better than having 4 of Kamala/Biden.
I'm not sure how that would work constitutionally. Like you pointed out, it's unprecedented and I'd imagine no one figured people would egregiously cheat. Therefore, no specific conditions for these circumstances are laid out.
Its a grifting mechanism.
they are so not afraid that they no longer want delays, just a NO STANDING and close it.
This is a GOP fund raising scheme, after the morale went down the drain and Trump keeps his support, they had to do some thing. See: GA and the 130k ballots at 4am with no action
True.
I think the thought here is that they assumed it'd be easy to shutdown the audit but its proving harder than expected so they're like "oh shit hold on we gotta take this down quickly."
Many people on Jan 6 thought Trump was going to offer hard irrefutable evidence on fraud. So far we have been given statistical anomalies and procedural hanky-Panky like kicking out observers or changing voting laws. If they have insane amount of physical ballots that are fake or voting machines that show no fraud that changes everything.
They have video evidence of people putting ballots into the counter after everyone leaves and then the votes go 100% for Biden. You aren't going to get better evidence than that. The people in power and the media just gaslighted everyone by repeating the lie that there was no evidence and that will continue here no matter what they find.
That video is super suspect and I think it was fraud, but they can simply say that is normal and that it lacks context to brush it aside. Physical Fraudulent ballots being held up by the thousands in front of a camera would require more mental gymnastics to explain away in the media.
I don't think so. They will just come up with some lame explanation like they did for the video and then gaslight everyone. They will never except that there was fraud. No matter how much evidence you show.
I totally agree they will act like it isn’t true, as with Hunter Biden laptop. I’m not sure how much fire will catch with the media doing it’s thing but when Trump starts doing rallies and talking bout it and chanting slogans bout it, it will be discussed.
What is an expected timeline for that? One year? Two years? Do you think the people that rigged it to begin with arn't going to do irreparable damage in that time? Do you think, even if they had the most hard concrete proof imaginable, it would make a bit of difference, that those people that are in total control of every faucet of government, big tech, education, irs, LE, and military are just going to give it up when found out?
At this point I'm pretty blackpilled on the whole thing. I don't think it will matter in the slightest, those that rigged it all control everything and all the disenfranchised will continue to wait for 'something' to be done about it knowing full well that nothing will really ever be done. It seems like another con job, just like the investigation into Hillary, and the investigation into the coup, the investigation into Biden/Ukraine, etc, etc. It feels like we are fooling ourselves and just kicking the can down the road. The time to act has passed and now we are going to be stuck between a rock and communism because any actual action was considered a false flag, optics, or a 'glowie'.
I’ll admit I’m not sure how effective the response will be but let us say for example “16% of ballots in our possession are fraudulent” Is what comes out.....there will be a RESPONSE.
And the response will be "we will get 'em next time. Send us more money.". There is no point in hoping for real change until traitors start dying.
They are panicking into their vast money and power.
.... Why would they be panicking?
Drop you actually think trump becomes president if these states are overturned? You are about to find out what actual power looks like.
I don't think there's a chance somehow Joe Biden is removed and Trump is put back in, although I think the deep state thought the process to shut down the audit would be quicker and smoother, but now there are complications in their plan to do so, so it's a slight panic like "oh shit they're not accepting our immediate demands to shutdown, we gotta deal with this."
Of course they probably will shut down the audit at some point because of the Biden presidency and everyone in government agencies is basically a Biden loyalist except for very few.
No there not. They have had months to cover their tracks. It’s all theater.
They really aren’t. If I were them I’d be laughing.
Hannity must have lent out his Tick Tock clock.
Is this the new Kraken?