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basedpenis 40 points ago +41 / -1

You start at the base.

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JimmyNelson 30 points ago +30 / -0

Thanks for the tip.

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basedvagina 24 points ago +24 / -0

Ok but that's all you get.

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JimmyNelson 15 points ago +15 / -0

It's a slippery slope.

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basedvagina 16 points ago +16 / -0

Slippery when wet.

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JimmyNelson 13 points ago +13 / -0

Bon Jovi’s best album. IMO

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HockeyMom4Trump 7 points ago +7 / -0

I had a neighbor named Jimmy Nelson

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BerettaStroker 1 point ago +1 / -0

You hope...

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LiskaEman 8 points ago +8 / -0

and, this, this whole thread, ladies and gentlepedes, is why I love this forum lol.

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logan34 -2 points ago +2 / -4

Do you used your tongue faggot?

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basedpenis 11 points ago +11 / -0

Do you used your engrish mister gentlemen?

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BigMikesLeftNut 12 points ago +13 / -1

I get a bit of seepage too!

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Artek 11 points ago +11 / -0

Just wait for Barry # 2

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AndrewCuomosEmmy 11 points ago +11 / -0

Surprised he hasn't shown up yet. This thread has his name written all over it.

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Barack-Obama2 10 points ago +10 / -0

The Fed Ex guy creampied me yesterday right after my wife used superglue for lube on my ass. I won’t be posting much this week, sorry guys.

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NC_patriot 5 points ago +5 / -0

His butthole probably got a good slamming from Big Mike last night and he's still sleeping it off.

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bubadmt 9 points ago +9 / -0

My favorite troll.

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Tommyjet 1 point ago +1 / -0

seepage always follows butt buggery

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ChuckedBeef 8 points ago +8 / -0

They don't give a shit about educating people they just want to make their buddies in the education system rich.

"Here's a too-easily-gotten and generally worthless participation trophy while we suck the taxpayers for $100k"

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DrVeryStableGEOTUS 7 points ago +7 / -0

Where is that dude with the nasty username now?

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AndrewCuomosEmmy 10 points ago +10 / -0

Doesn't narrow it down much. You talking about u/ObamasLooseButthole?

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DrVeryStableGEOTUS 5 points ago +5 / -0

C’mon man… you know the thing…

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ObamasLooseButthole 5 points ago +5 / -0

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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NotMyGovernor 60 points ago +60 / -0

Already have tax payer paid college. It’s called high school.

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Spicy_maymay 53 points ago +54 / -1

Kids who don't do well in middle school should be sent to trade school instead of high school, change my mind

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Jimmyprawns 39 points ago +39 / -0

Bring trade education back to highschool. Shop class used to be a place where useful skills were learned, not where the screwups got dumped. And if you're such a problem that they can't do anything with you, you get run off and don't graduate. You know, like things were back when graduating highschool meant something.

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randomuser9193 16 points ago +16 / -0

Shop class was my favorite class.

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Djt2029 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wait, they have gotten rid of wood shop?

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TheBoz 9 points ago +9 / -0

^THIS, public schools trying so hard to make my kid a faggot. I'm still using the shop skills taught to me in public school decades later...

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Jimmyprawns 5 points ago +5 / -0

This. Doing well in shop class used to mean you were doing well with things like power tools, lathes, mills, bench grinders. The 90s were all about eliminating anything usefull from education. Anything that involves merit, actually having to do something well to get a good grade. Self esteem was far too important and fragile to risk failing anyone who sucked. The reasoning was that those usefull things people had to demonstrate proficiency in to graduate were the cause of an unacceptable dropout rate. By the time they had the graduation rates up and everyone getting into a college, graduating from highschool no longer meant you were good at anything. It meant you didnt violate safety rules or murder the teacher. Getting into college only meant that you qualified for the requisite loans, grants and government funded financial aid.

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Wowwevestrayed 3 points ago +3 / -0

To be fair they are making a big comeback.

Liberal Mecca Somerville MA just built a new HS with shop classes in the building.

Taxes can be well spent it just depends if the pol wants to line his friends pockets or leave a lasting legacy.

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NvJohansson 3 points ago +3 / -0

One look at their grades between 14 and 16 gives you the answer with 99% certitude. False hope and degrees in imaginary subjects just creates debt and poverty

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Jimmyprawns 1 point ago +1 / -0

Amongst the people they want lordship over. Doesn't hurt the old money country club crowd one bir.

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basedvirginian 3 points ago +4 / -1

Why hasn’t this been the policy from day 1???

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NvJohansson 4 points ago +4 / -0

Because useless liberal arts is profitable for tgh colleges is why

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FutureFreemason 1 point ago +1 / -0

high school often also has classes that introduce you to what you learn in trade school so

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acasper 1 point ago +1 / -0

That’s what Germany does.

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smoppypelt 13 points ago +13 / -0

Fyi we already have tax payer paid college, it's called normal college.

We are already paying for it, remember this when Republicans act like they care about the working class.

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Pinochet_Was_Right 9 points ago +9 / -0

That’s called high school

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CynicalTwit22 38 points ago +38 / -0

That's some Mike Rowe aggression

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consumptiveballerina 6 points ago +6 / -0

Underrated comment.

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liveinliberty 34 points ago +34 / -0

They just want to maximize the number of people indoctrinated.

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Dum_spiro_spero 18 points ago +18 / -0

The real reason is this.

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Krat 15 points ago +15 / -0

The teachers unions own the Democrat party.

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Karma_Bus_Route_20 11 points ago +11 / -0

And increase the length of time that people are exposed to indoctrination and delay full adulthood. Right now many are leaving the public school system at 18, joining the workforce, and taking on responsibilities. A person who has a full-time job and lives in an apartment with a roommate to split the rent at 18 is more free and closer to self-sufficiency than a 22-year-old who lives on campus in a dorm and doesn't work yet. The elites want to normalize and enforce adults getting "free" stuff from the government and having limitations on both their rights and responsibilities, as an extension of adolescence well into their 20s.

There's a clean split between being being a minor lectured to in a classroom with no easy way to walk away from being micro-managed at school and at home, and being an adult who can do what they want at home and only has to deal with a little bit of it at work. They need to blur that line and get people used to not being free well beyond the point where the law says you're an adult and can mostly do what you want.

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Jimmyprawns 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is a big thing. Much of marxism can only be implemented if enough of the population has been permanently infantilized. They cannot be allowed to discover that they can take better care of themselves than anyone else can, especially the government.

Much of how the military, in particular the Air Force has pushed its co-ed policies. Keep the airmen mentally and emotionally stuck at 5th grade level. The last year of school before puberty hits with full force. And the last year PE isn't divided into boys and girls PE. They can't deny biology but if they can prevent emotional development beyond puberty they can hopefully gaslight people into denying thier own passage through puberty and all the attendant changes in personal roles and responsibilities.

The same dynamic you described regarding college dorm life also applies. Not a plumber from the Civil Engineering squadron? Better not touch that leaky drain in your dorm room. Fill out a chit and it might get fixed before you PCS to another base. Meanwhile just keep a towel in the bottom of your cupboard. You do fuel system maintenance on an ICBM for a living but God forbid you should ever discover that you are also capable of tightening a water pipe fitting for yourself.

When I was a kid we had a dog that was part kelpie, smallish dog but could really jump. One day I was coaxing her into jumping up pretty high to grab a rope toy. Got chewed out for it because, "If she ever figures out she can jump over that gate we'll never be able to keep her in this yard." It's a questionable approach to dog handling in my opinion but downright abusive when used on humans. Unfortunately it is certainly the preference of our 'betters' to handle us in this way.

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Jimmyprawns 1 point ago +1 / -0

I beg to differ. Saw quite a lot of buffoonery amongst the enlisteds. As someone who enlisted after drinking age, the difference between employed, financially independent civilians at even 19 and an E3 at 21 who just moved off base are even more pronounced.

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Jimmyprawns 1 point ago +1 / -0

Umm yeah, because it's not like they literally own your ass and some shit.

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Jimmyprawns 4 points ago +4 / -0

Indoctrination, not as much as people think. Mostly loyalty test. And after it's implemented, golden handcuffs. They now have the leverage to dictate what kind of work you do and where you do it after you graduate. The cartels do it all the time. Put someone through medical school 'for free' or because it's a 'nice thing to do for the community.' Now they have a doctor on the payroll who will sew up gunshot wounds and not report them.

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JimmyNelson 19 points ago +20 / -1

BASED MIKE IS BASED

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EggPlanter 17 points ago +17 / -0

The biggest problem is cost and once again barriers to entry.

Why can some idiot liberal start a for-profit / non-profit degree granting school, but I can’t?

Full Sail did it. University of Phoenix did it.They milked people for millions and left them with semi-worthless degrees. In their defense, they probably actually learned more than a 4 year university attending these places.

But if we were to open up MAGA University I’m sure it would run into roadblock after roadblock.

Why does a school need a multi billion dollar endowments? It’s all corruption

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VoidWanderer 14 points ago +14 / -0

It's in relation to accreditation. Technically you can start a MAGA university, but without accreditation the degree would be seen as worthless even if you got around the roadblocks setup to stop you. It costs money to get that party to come out and look over everything to make sure you're "doing things correctly". Like so many other things it doesn't matter if you're doing things better than other colleges, if you refuse to jump through the hoops or pay for getting that little seal other people will look down on your college and not treat the degree as if it's worth anything.

It is all corruption, but it's corruption that most people see as "necessary" because they don't want think that they're wasting their money on something so they want the meaningless seal saying that the place they sat in for 4 or more years getting talked at and not really learning much is "good."

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bobobob 6 points ago +6 / -0

Why is accreditation held in high regard when these schools churn out such stupid people? The people who went to college used to be the smartest and brightest people. Now they're the people taking your order at Starbucks.

There is plenty of room for an alternative system that actually educates students in the arts and sciences and makes them smarter people in the end.

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VoidWanderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

The problem is perception by the masses. You used to be able to get a decent job without needing a college degree, now it's required in most circumstances outside the trades which still require various certifications. Coincidentally the same people that got into positions decades ago that are still hanging around are the same ones that doggedly demand you have a degree where they didn't need one.

To be able to start something on par with the trades you would need to change public perception of what college is as many still think it's important. Once that's broken a suitable replacement can be implemented but not before as we've seen with plenty of other things where the masses believe something.

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Cuzyoudbeinjail 3 points ago +3 / -0

Because the people that make the decisions gotta get paid. It's all about the money. Always has always will.

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BigIronBigIron 2 points ago +2 / -0

Don't forget that colleges and universities are a backdoor bribery method.

What a coincidence that the local assistant dean used to be a state rep.

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Cuzyoudbeinjail 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's all a money grab. Everything these elites do is a money grab. If it doesn't benefit them in some way, they will try and make it so it will. If it still doesn't, then they get useful idiots to go on Twitter and oppose it to get the laws changed so it can benefit elites.

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BigIronBigIron 2 points ago +2 / -0

"Everything is a rich man's trick."

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NotMyGovernor 2 points ago +3 / -1

Everyone says “full sail is worthless”, Is it though? Or just successful propaganda by “them”?

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ALargeRock 5 points ago +5 / -0

It kind of is and I believe it’s mostly from the industry one is trying to get into by attending full sail. It’s art shit. Art shit is super competitive with not a lot of openings and most start at pretty low wages.

Out of 1000 students, how many really make a career In it? Music, movies, video games; it’s all highly sought after and let’s face it, art shit really isn’t that difficult. It’s more feeling then book knowledge.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

Selection in art career fields often resembles tryouts for the cheerleading squad. Arbitrary, shallow and polluted with gate keepers who have an unqualified sense of accomplishment as well as chips on thier shoulders. The ass holes want every other career field to be the same. Totally devoid of meritocracy and flooded with cool kid table bullshit. Lots of drama and nothing ever getting done.

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BlessingsofLiberty 1 point ago +1 / -0

The problem most artists face is that art IS that difficult if you treat it like a real job instead of a money making hobby. How many artist/musicians who "can't make it" work 8-12 hour days of practice and portfolio expansion? Not many. Hobbyists make it look easy because they only do it for fun, never draw or practice when they "aren't feeling it", then complain when the actual hard workers get jobs over them.

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EggPlanter 3 points ago +3 / -0

From the person I know who went into a lot of debt to get a degree there, they have no regrets. I still have a little bit of a vendetta because the average price tag is close to 40K and they have about as much after graduation support as regularly accredited schools (see actually none unless you have connections lol).

They learned more hands-on, almost trade school type instruction (in regards to music production) and critical thinking than I did at a top-25 school. It’s a good option for the right people for sure

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DrVeryStableGEOTUS 1 point ago +1 / -0

They taught me how tocreate a corn farm in Minecraft so I wouldn’t say useless

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HockeyMom4Trump 1 point ago +1 / -0

There are a few decent universities out there. Hillsdale College is one.

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MrAnderson1776 15 points ago +15 / -0

Just make the universites pay for their student's defaulted loans, current ones and future ones.

There. I solved all the problems with university cost structure.

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VoidWanderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Unless you decouple federal funding that won't work as it'll just spiral into more and more issues as the universities unload even more of their risk onto the taxpayer.

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MrAnderson1776 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not necessarily. First, they get so much money from the government in the form of all sources- grants, taxes, tax exemptions etc. Then they're given so much for loans. If those loans go bad, then they either cut back on non-essentials or go bankrupt.

This would be an incentive to

  • lower costs.
  • screen students for success
  • disembowel XXX studies departments
  • fire administrative cruft
  • offer two year degrees at less cost

etc. etc.

Somehow some kind of financial and moral discipline has to be reinjected into this system. It's decadent, rotting producing extremists and extremist "philosophies" all while cost shifting everything onto their hapless students.

Literally, these marxists professors have thier students as lifetime indentured servants servicing their student loans each month for decades and decades to pay for those professors gold plated retirements and summer homes and full dental and health care.

All the while those students can't even save enough money to start a family.

This is the most grotesque transfer not of just welath, but of sheer well-being, from a young generation to the an older generation, ever. Ever.

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TEXinLA [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good with it.

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NotJudging 15 points ago +15 / -0

Douglas Murray:"I have to say, so few people in this country are well educated."

Bret Weinstein (former professor/scientist): "That's because they go to school."

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sustainable_saltmine 14 points ago +15 / -1

Thing is, college isn't supposed to be for everyone. It's supposed to be hard to get into. Used to be the exception not the rule. Its what made you stand out from high school grads when applying for a job. Now people are treating it as if you CANT get a job without an expensive piece of paper from some "prestigious" university. Many tech jobs for example you could easily do without a degree but the employer mandates it as a requirement to even be considered...mostly for their own ability to say all of their employees are "highly" educated. You come into the job and they basically tell you to forget what you learned in school and teach you their way. So college was basically worthless

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KnobGoblin 7 points ago +7 / -0

I shouldn’t have ever gone to college I didn’t learn a damn thing spent 8 years getting a bachelor degree I don’t use only because taking the extra money from loans was the only way I could get the funding to learn what I wanted to. Something more akin to a trade.

Hell I shouldn’t have even been let into college I “graduated” high school with a 1.75 GPA never took the ACT or SAT

Luxury daycare is a perfect description.

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TEXinLA [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yup. And now that no one can be failed, it is even more of a give away shit show.

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Keiichi81 13 points ago +13 / -0

Maher is so fucking weird. He's like the poster child of the smug leftists and 99 times out of a hundred he'll be parroting whatever the liberal narrative is, but every once in a while he'll come out with a dare-I-say based rant that absolutely sends his audience into apoplectic fits.

He's like an inverse Joe Rogan.

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TEXinLA [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yup. Seems like Maher is petrified now that he knows the smug leftists are bat shit crazy and destroying the country. But he can't quite admit it.

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spezisthedevil 1 point ago +1 / -0

Maher is a piece of shit satirist who mocks what he is ordered to. Every now and then he says something sane to give the appearance that he is in charge of the content.

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fazaman 11 points ago +11 / -0

No! Instead make the universities cosign the loans. If the kids can't pay off the loan with a college degree, well, the student shouldn't have taken the loan, and the school should not have charged so much.

Also, make the universities actually issue the loans.

If universities had eat the cost if students couldn't pay, many problems would be fixed.

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logan34 2 points ago +2 / -0

Or how about dont offer zero interest government loans? You want to know why the cost of tuition keeps going up? Big government is literally printing money to make sure they have infinite resources to keep raising costs. Colleges are just increasing everything to keep milking more tax dollars.

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Donger-Lord2 2 points ago +2 / -0

They used to, that was before Barry made the fed do the loans.

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TEXinLA [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

This would work. Make all who/that benefit have skin in the game.

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fazaman 2 points ago +2 / -0

Some places are doing this. Basically, they educate you for free, but they take 10% of your salary for 10 years (or something like that). This way, they have every incentive to give you a good education, teach you useful skills, and help you find a good, well paying job. There's a name for it, but I can't remember it off the top of my head.

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Chuj 10 points ago +14 / -4

I had like 150K in loans when finished with school. I lived lean and paid it off.

If they pay off today's kids, they best retroactively pay off others as well!!

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Cuzyoudbeinjail 15 points ago +15 / -0

What about the people that were talented enough to get a scholarship? I mean I saved people money from the get go, do I get more back?

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Chuj 4 points ago +4 / -0

Very true. Often a talented person has to choose between a better school with no or limited scholarship, or a lesser school with a full ride. The value of the scholarship should be paid back to them like a loan, if this Biden leftist horrible deal goes into effect

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consumptiveballerina 3 points ago +3 / -0

Good luck getting a scholarship if you have east Asian ancestry.

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VoidWanderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don't believe most people with scholarships are "talented" in any way as the majority are handed out based on quotas now. If you're a woman, you get money thrown at you. If you're a minority, you get money thrown at you. If you're a minority woman, you get a free ride. That's on top of the hiring nonsense where they get chosen over actually qualified applicants.

If scholarships were merit based I might have a different outlook, but with how most of them are now I don't believe in them as they're just one more anti-merit system meant to help some that didn't earn it at the expense of others who were looked over for things they were unable to change.

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HockeyMom4Trump 1 point ago +1 / -0

Agree. Some students work and study incredibly hard to get a scholarship

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2fat2queerious 9 points ago +9 / -0

socialism is fine as long as I get my cut

We've heard that before.

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TEXinLA [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good on you.

Now they want you to pay for everyone else.

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Freedom4545 9 points ago +9 / -0

just like healthcare, insurance, and everything else the govt touches the prices have skyrocketed in the organized Ponzi scheme to redirect taxpayer money to the rich.

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logan34 2 points ago +2 / -0

Big government is literally printing money to make sure they have infinite resources to keep raising costs. Colleges are just increasing everything to keep milking more tax dollars from zero interest loans.

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TBGJC 7 points ago +7 / -0

College is a Ponzi scheme too

They charge the current students for the constant construction the college is doing, despite the fact that the current students will never get to use those buildings

Try and find 1 university that isn't at least 25% under construction at the moment. You won't

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Chuj 7 points ago +7 / -0

The rock climbing wall and lazy river in the student fitness center at the U of Miami in Ohio would not be the same without the free flow of loans

How dare they threaten those essentials!! \s

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TEXinLA [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dang.

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RaberContour 6 points ago +7 / -1

FORCE UNIVERSITIES THAT TAKE STUDENTS WITH GOV LOANS TO CHARGE LESS

it's insane they are given guaranteed customers, offer worthless degrees, and shoulder no risk.

We need to turn Antifa and leftists against the universities. They are the ones choosing to gauge them and doom them with debt

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MAG_n_KAG 5 points ago +6 / -1

so the people who paid off their loans are gonna pay off other peoples' loans too.

and the people who didnt go to college are gonna pay off loans of people who did go to college. then these people with their college credentials will go on to make more money than those that paid off their loan.

this is fucking selfishly retarded all around.

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preferredfault 5 points ago +5 / -0

Here's another reason why it's a problem: There is not enough college degree jobs for everyone to have one.

Not all forms of work require a college degree. Making taxpayers pay for college, is literally making a plumber/store clerk pay for the college degree of architects and doctors (along with liberal arts degree's).

This means that the people paying taxes into "free" college, will themselves be unable to take advantage of that. With "free" college, available college level jobs would be oversaturated very quickly, to the point where most of the population would have degree's they could never use, creating nothing but debt.

And it's not like having college degree's for a field of work, creates jobs in that field of work. We already see that's not the case at all, because plenty of people already have useless degree's they will never be able to do anything with, but have tons of debt for.

To put it simply, people are always needed to do the manual labor and menial jobs. "free" college won't change that. It would be chaos if everyone had a "free" college degree and many of them couldn't find work with their degree.

I think what they're really trying to do though, is create exactly that problem, so they can then take control of who gets what degree. The government will become the decider. China did something similar, where since they needed more low level workers to work in factories, they took a lot of peoples 4 year college degree's and outright downgraded them to associates degree's. In effect, they needed to turn these people from middle class into bottom class, in order to create more workers of the type they wanted, by making sure these people would be barred from being able to find work in any higher levels.

Just another mechanism of control and wealth redistribution. Using the premise of having "free" college, would effectively allow the government to ensure they could keep certain targeted groups of people poor in any region they wanted.

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AVeryNakedMan 5 points ago +5 / -0

Just take a little step further and realize that it's unfair to make anyone else pay for *anything *that you personally want.

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TEXinLA [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yup. Include abortions, sex changes, Section 8 Housing, etc.

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Nunyo 4 points ago +4 / -0

Its funneling money to rich university executives off the backs of taxpayers. Look at the endowments they already get. How much they already got in bailouts and now more cash to indoctrinate kids for at least 4 more years.

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siliconia 4 points ago +4 / -0

The uneducated pay for the education of the educated or rather, the poor people pay for the rich people's education. How interesting is that.

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NvJohansson 4 points ago +4 / -0

Public transport tax, l don't take public transport...

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Packstinator 4 points ago +4 / -0

Not only unfair but unconstitutional.

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IntersectionalXhe 4 points ago +5 / -1

I chose to go to College and Law School. I did it to better myself and to hopefully generate more income. It is therefore my responsibility to payback my loans, not the public’s responsibility to feed me money. Education Loan forgiveness is bullshit, study something that will lead to high enough income to pay back your loans or don’t take them out. It isn’t up to the Working Class to fund the Couch Class’s educations.

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TEXinLA [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

^^THIS^^

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NC_patriot 3 points ago +3 / -0

It also not fair to make those who work pay for those who don't, yet here we are.

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paulej 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's actually not a bad idea to have programs like Pell Grants for good students who need financial help going to college. However, I think giving students money to go to college should come with some requirements other than "I need money":

  1. The median income for a person in the recipient's major must be at or higher than the median US household income. (Why? It would be good to help fund doctors, scientists, programmers, etc. and we have more social worker than we know what to do with.)
  2. The recipient must maintain a GPA of 3.0/4.0 in high school and college. (Why? We need good doctors, not just doctors.)
  3. Over the next 10 years, the recipient must work in the US at least 5 years in a field where the recipient makes an income at or above the median US household income. (Why? Why did we pay for your education? Now pay tax!)
  4. The money can only be used for state schools. (Why? Those are already funded by tax dollars, so the "real" cost on tax payers isn't as much as tuition would suggest. Those buildings and salaries will be funded, regardless.)

Seriously, I think it's a good idea to invest in our future executives, medical experts, scientists, researchers, etc. America doesn't do enough of that. The end result of our current policies is that we have to bring in foreign students and foreign workers because we don't have enough. It's sad to think that somebody with excellent grades and potential cannot become the next great rocket scientist just because they're broke.

If we make the brightest in our society able to attend college, that will result in a higher tax revenue. It might also motivate people in high school to focus on education just a bit, especially those who assume their lives have no potential because of their economic situation. Maybe crime might drop in the process.

I know my formula might upset some majors, but sorry. Art, physical education, underwater basket weaving, theater, social workers, etc. are aplenty. School is expensive and those fields do not pay well. These are likely the people complaining about high student debt, as they didn't calculate the ROI before deciding to be a "romance literature" major.

I'm not sure how to address the teacher issue, as the above would not cover them. We need good teachers, but our high schools are broken. I would consider funding college education for future high school teachers if they agree to be subjected to annual performance evaluations. I don't mean puffy evaluations, but rather things like competency tests and performance measurements that consider student educational attainment given standardized test results. If a teacher cannot teach, they need to be removed. How many employers keep people who cannot do their jobs effectively? We have that problem in the US right now.

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TEXinLA [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

All good ideas.

And limit the soft majors for state universities. Offering a smorgasbord of soft majors to lure in the unmotivated, less prepared, and not so smart is a waste of infrastructure.

Some of these students will be going to school ten years after starting with no sense of direction. Many have an unrealistic idea of their intelligence and do not have the foundation for a rigorous field of study. They go from major to major and may eventually graduate with no real skills.

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randomuser9193 3 points ago +3 / -0

Student loans from the government are a reasonable thing. The government invests in the next generation and the next generation has an incentive to not fuck it up.

The problem is that the government also guaranteed the loans so schools jacked up tuition since they get paid whether or not the kid goes through with the degree.

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TEXinLA [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

Limit the maximum student loan to a percentage of average earnings for the major.

If the average income for a social worker five years after graduation is $45,000, the maximum loan amount should be $22,500 (50%) or $5,625 per year.

If the average income for a chemical engineer five years after graduation is $100,000, the maximum loan amount should be $50,000 (50%) or $12,500 per year.

And most of the student loan should be paid to the university/college directly.

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randomuser9193 1 point ago +2 / -1

I like the idea of it being tied to some measure like that

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chefjeffb 3 points ago +3 / -0

Technically Maher called it a grift, not Rowe.

Still, though. It is true.

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CookiesNCream 2 points ago +2 / -0

He is 100% right! It is not fair! My husband never went to college and I have no shame that I graduated from community college. We're not paying for your higher education so you can get a degree in gender studies!

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Cakes4077 2 points ago +2 / -0

Leftists all scream about college needing to be free and what not. The only education past or concurrent with high I’d support being free is trade schools or similar programs. The issue if that were to happen would be that it’d depress wages for those jobs though and most already have ways to learn that knowledge very cheaply.

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fakewhiterage 2 points ago +2 / -0

I absolutely loathe this fucking family

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operatorstorm712 2 points ago +2 / -0

Unfair to make taxpayers support the ridiculously over-priced colleges and universities (with their ridiculously over-priced instructors and administration), who in turn sell themselves out to whatever foreign entity they are currently whoring themselves out to.

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Smurfection 2 points ago +2 / -0

He's not wrong. College Degrees in most subjects aren't even valued for the actual subject studied but used to just show employers that a prospective employee could slug it out for a B.A. degree. However, the more colleges turn themselves into unserious bastions of wokeness, the more detached their graduates are from any useful or practical education and instead are becoming a hindrance the efficiency of the daily operations of any business.

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coffee_grdr 2 points ago +2 / -0

notice how the media always talks about the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loan debt that people are saddled with, but never once mention the universities charging those outrageous tuitions?!?

they are literally pricing gouging students, yet no one says a thing about it! the media that supposedly cares about those debt-burdened students won't even call out the colleges! that should be proof enough where their loyalty lies!

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TenaciousDT 1 point ago +1 / -0

Im not sure its so much the schools price gouging, I mean many probably are, as it is obamas wretched policy of subsidizing loans for anyone that wanted one, no matter their ability or aspirations, that inflated the price of college.

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Ch138 2 points ago +2 / -0

Considering the real pieces of shit that I saw get FAFSA and disappear come March when the refund check comes in... No, I wont pay for your worthless art degree.

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geekesmind 2 points ago +2 / -0

Think it's only fair if you want your college loan paid off

Then I want my car loan and credit cards paid off then

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OnlyTrump20 2 points ago +2 / -0

Higher education used to be for the wealthy, idle class, and now people pretend it's an essential human right, like food, clothing and shelter.

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pepperonishoes 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yep, like health insurance is a basic human right.

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DJTLandSlide2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Take a hint from Baltimore business owners who threatened to stp paying taxes if the city didn't solve the inner harbor's crime and homeless problems.

So, pedes. When are we going to send a letter to the WH telling them to fix the problems or else we stop paying taxes?

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DicerningSword 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've seen more examples of cognitively impaired individuals attending University are they getting degrees and supervisorial jobs? I thought at first it was just for the feels good and show, but clown world being clown world I wouldn't be surprised if they start commissioning retarded individuals as officers in the military and executives in corporations and government..

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noonthirty 2 points ago +3 / -1

Love this true American man Mike RowE.

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TenaciousDT 2 points ago +2 / -0

My favorite narrator of all time. I'll never forget when I learned his name because one of my favorite shows "How the Universe Works" is narrated by him, contributes significantly to its appeal, and one day I was like, I have to know who this is.

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TEXinLA [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dude was an opera singer. Crazy, huh?

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TenaciousDT 1 point ago +1 / -0

I did not know this, that's pretty cool!

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TEXinLA [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Apparently so. During one Dirty Jobs episode, Rowe talks about it and breaks into song. And yeah, he can sing.

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Omgwtfbbq 1 point ago +1 / -0

Take it from the endowments. Make universities offer their own loans.

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TEXinLA [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Absolutely. Need skin, bones, and muscle in the game.

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Gumnut 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hang on...we absolutely SHOULD subsidise tertiary education.

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TEXinLA [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Monk school maybe.

And if people want to attend university or college, that's great. So long as the government and taxpayers are not picking up the tab.

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posedgeclk -3 points ago +1 / -4

It's ROWE, not ROW. Lay off the hash, and spend some time learning to spell.

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Evilgenius31 1 point ago +1 / -0

Unfair for me to have to pay college tuition, but fair for me to pay for other kids to go to public high schools that teach BS CRT. Nothing like forcing me to pay for the destruction of our own country.

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Sunnybats2 1 point ago +1 / -0

rowE**

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MyOathNeverEnded 1 point ago +1 / -0

So Mike thinks Veterans should get to choose to go to college?

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TEXinLA [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Taxpayer money's not involved so go for it.

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TEXinLA [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not the same thing. If you don't want to buy a product, don't.

Make your own, grow your own. Beg or barter.

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Nunyo 3 points ago +3 / -0

They are tax payer funded indoctrination camps. Executive are getting rich, look at the bailouts and endowments. Follow the money.

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Brobold 2 points ago +2 / -0

Raise the standards for high school first

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Aquamine-Amarine 2 points ago +2 / -0

Education is great, but don't kid yourself. Colleges don't educate people, they indoctrinate and spread propaganda. They don't actually teach you anything of value. Most degrees are absolutely worthless. At least with trade schools, you can learn a skill which will help you get a good paying job.

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Two_scoops_two_terms 1 point ago +2 / -1

This is the mindset that leads to us having to import all our doctors, scientists, engineers, etc. There are many valuable degrees outside of gender studies and liberal arts.

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

But you can't do those in 4yrs. These loan traps don't even apply to those fields. Have to finish a minor in gender studies, get no credit for it and pay your own way just to have the privelage of learning something usefull. Worse still, you have to learn the meat from a helpful uncle or some such and just do classes for the piece of paper. The 5 or 6 yr timeframe for those degrees and lack of real support is the problem. Instead of fixing it we import from places that indoctrinate with thier own version of hate america bullshit. It's gotten bad enough that half the TAs and proffesors are hiding thier incompetence and or alterior motives behind 'language and cultural barriers' doing stupid and playing favorites like they did back home.

It's not a single grift or con. It's an over all system that has become exceedingly vulnerable and easy to cheat. The opportunities to do so have not gone unnexploited. It's not just the locals, People come from all over the world for an opportunity to bilk our system and us.

Further. The 'shortage' is half manipulation of statistics so corporations can justify doing H1 visas for foreign proffessionals. Nothing more desirable than an employee you literally own and can threaten with an untimely return to the third world. Very easily corrupted. That's how you get engineers who will 'sell thier stamp.' And doctors who will blindly adhere to protocols that kill patients. They won't even complain about corruption, it's all they know. They adapt, accept and enable as they learned to do in the home country as a means of survival and self preservation.

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Aquamine-Amarine 1 point ago +1 / -0

I should have clarified, degrees in the sciences and medical fields are good, but most degrees aren't. But you know most people don't actually pick a good degree to get. They pick the stupid ones and then complain that they can't get a job. Why should the rest of us be punished because some idiot made a bad decision and got a degree that got them stuck with massive loans?

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