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mykillk 70 points ago +72 / -2

I'd say even into the mid 2000s.

It was social media that ruined EVERYTHING. Literally, the most destructive force mankind has ever invented. Amplified the voice of all the crazies.

Hollyweirdness 32 points ago +33 / -1

I'll add social media makes people crazy too.

Chopblock 14 points ago +14 / -0

BEINGS SHAPED INTO MACHINE-LANGUAGE CARICATURES: “We may come to remember this decade as the one when human beings finally realized we are up against something. We’re just not quite sure what it is.

More of us have come to understand that our digital technologies are not always bringing out our best natures. People woke up to the fact that our digital platforms are being coded by people who don’t have our best interests at heart.

This is the decade when, finally, the “tech backlash” began... necessary critiques, but they’re too focused on the good old days, when the business plans of a few bad actors and the designs of some manipulative technologies could be identified as the “cause” of our collective woes... blaming the developers, the CEOs, the shareholders, or even individual apps, programs and platforms for our predicament, when most of these players have either long since left the building, or are themselves oblivious to their impact on our collective wellbeing.

Just because the public is finally ready to hear about these tech industry shenanigans doesn’t mean they are still relevant. We can’t even blame capitalism, anymore. The quest for exponential returns may have fueled the development of extractive and addictive technologies, but the cultural phenomena they gave birth to now have a life of their own...

Over the past 10 years, our tech has grown from some devices and platforms we use to an entire environment in which we function... we live online 24/7, creating data as we move through our lives, accessible to everyone and everything. Our smartphones are not devices that sit in our pockets; they create new worlds with new rules about our availability, intimacies, appearance and privacy...

At this point, the digital environment is no more the result of a series of choices made by technology developers, as it is the underlying cause of those choices. What happened to us in the 2010s wasn’t just that we were being surveilled, but that all that data was being used to customize everything we saw and did online. We were being shaped into who the data said we were...

We have to understand the platforms on which we’re working and living, or we’re more likely to be used by technology than to be the users controlling it. But those of us arguing for new media literacies may have been making our case a bit too literally.

The people and organizations responding to our plea launched the “learn to code” movement. Schools initiated Stem curriculums, and kids learned code in order to prepare themselves for jobs in the digital economy. It was as if the answer to a world where the most powerful entities speak in code was to learn code, ourselves, and then look for employment servicing the machines. If you can’t beat them, join them.

But that wasn’t the point. Or shouldn’t have been. What we really needed this decade was to learn code as a liberal art – not so much as software engineers, but as human beings living in a new sort of environment. It’s an environment that remembers and records everything we have done online, every data point we leave in our wake, in order to adapt itself to our individual predilections - all in order to generate whatever responses or behaviors the platforms want from us. The digital media environment uses what it knows about each of our pasts to direct each one of our futures.

We can no longer come to agreement on what we’re seeing, because we’re looking at different pictures of the world. It’s not just that we have different perspectives on the same events and stories; we’re being shown fundamentally different realities, by algorithms looking to trigger our engagement by any means necessary.

The more conflicting the ideas and imagery to which are exposed, the more likely we are to fight... the only thing we have in common is our mutual disorientation and alienation.

We’ve spent the last 10 years as participants in a feedback loop between surveillance technology, predictive algorithms, behavioral manipulation and human activity. And it has spun out of anyone’s control.

...The digital media environment is a space that is configuring itself in real time based on how the algorithms think we will react. They are sorting us into caricatured, machine-language oversimplifications of ourselves. This is why we saw so much extremism emerge over the past decade. We are increasingly encouraged to identify ourselves by our algorithmically determined ideological profiles alone, and to accept a platform’s arbitrary, profit-driven segmentation as a reflection of our deepest, tribal affiliations.

Since 2016, we have summoned demons to embody and represent these artificially generated worldview... Incapable of recreating a consensus reality together through digital media, we are trying to conjure a television-style hallucination. Television was a global medium, broadcasting universally shared realities to a world of spectators. The Olympics, moon landings and the felling of the Berlin Wall were all globally broadcast, collective spectacles. We all occupied the same dream space, which is why globalism characterized that age.

...The next decade will determine whether we human beings have what it takes to rise to the occasion of our own, imposed obsolescence. We must stop looking to our screens and their memes for a sense of connection to something greater than ourselves. We must stop building digital technologies that optimize us for atomization and impulsiveness, and create ones aimed at promoting sense-making and recall instead. We must seize the more truly digital, distributed opportunity to remember the values that we share, and reacquaint ourselves with the local worlds in which we actually live. For there, unlike the partitioned servers of cyberspace, we have a whole lot more in common with one another than we may suspect.”


PonySoldier66 7 points ago +7 / -0

I'm guessing you're not on twitter.

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Chopblock 3 points ago +3 / -0

Kek. Twitter reduces complex points like these into ‘crazy lunatic’ hyperbole:

10 years as participants in a feedback loop between surveillance technology, predictive algorithms, behavioral manipulation... spun out of anyone’s control. ...They are sorting us into caricatured, machine-language oversimplifications of ourselves... we’ve summoned demons... stop looking into our screens! #ConsensusReality

Replies would include ’Take your meds boomer’, ‘It’s just a smartphone, jeez’, various emoticons, and reaction gifs.

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OriginalDankStar 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes. Every American needs to watch the Social Dilemma. Your consumer profile is traded as futures!

Filo76 17 points ago +17 / -0

There were always crazies but they lived in the margins of society. Normal, everyday Americans just ignored them because their voices were so small.

Now, a single crazy voice is amplified by social media and spreads around like a plague until normal, everyday Americans think that the single crazy voice is the MAJORITY.

seeyouinvalhalla 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah, those people would hang out in some drag show bar and nobody would pay any attention to them in the 2000s.

seeyouinvalhalla 12 points ago +12 / -0

It went nuts in Obama's second term, around 2012. Check the movies, they were all cool until about 2012 and then they start to get woke.

Thetigerpoppy 5 points ago +5 / -0

I keep thinking that maybe the Mayans were right about 2012 being the end of the cycle and we are now in the period between cycles where human nature and time dictates that we must destroy the present order to start the new cycle and its just a question of which side gets to determine how we rebuild

I_Used_to_be_me 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yea people always misunderstood that. I actually got really interested in all that crap around 2010 or so (because of all the "end of the world" stuff I was hearing), and really, it's just that their calendar, unlike ours, is cyclical. 2012 marked the end of the largest cycle. At that point, the calendar just starts over. But what is interesting is that all the cycle changes, coincided with different periods of history, and when smaller cycles would come about again, similar things would happen in that time period (I wish I remembered more, because it was really interesting stuff). But the point is, nobody really knew/knows what happens when the entire calendar resets, but the general thought was that it aligned more with the proper definition of "apocalypse" (which doesn't mean the end of the world/mankind), and more of a "end of the world as we know it"

Thetigerpoppy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not just the Mayan calendar either, the Hindu calendar has 4 epochs and we are in the Kali Yuga which is the degenerate and final Yuga in the cycle. Apparently it started in 3100bc and lasts 432,000yrs at which point society will be destroyed by fire and flood and we will instantly begin the 1st Yuga which is the "age of perfection"

If I understand how the Yugas play a role in society they essentially represent societies morality where the 1st Yuga is when society is its most moral and most deserving of the god(s) gift of earth and those morals erode over the next 3 to the point where the heavens no longer think we are worthy and wipes out every evil in our society leaving a clean slate for those that were deemed morally just and deserving of existence.

Hopefully it's not too accurate because that would mean another 400k+ years of society worsening.

socrates2 1 point ago +1 / -0

4th turning

itsdangerous 4 points ago +4 / -0

yea 2012 onward was a real step up (or well down) and not just for movies

UnusualPepe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks Romney

iamherefortheluls 2 points ago +2 / -0

that's because Obama mandated political officers for 'Diversity' to be part of every major entity that worked with money. That spread the virus to entire corporate world within a few years, by government regulation.

ChilledCovfefe 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yes agreed

iamherefortheluls 1 point ago +2 / -1

i disagree. The only difference today is that you see 95% of the corruption, lies and bullshit where in the 90s you would be lucky to stumble unto 5%

CisSiberianOrchestra 39 points ago +39 / -0

I know everybody thinks that their "coming of age" decade was the best one, but I'd really like to go back and live in the 90s for a while again. I miss the Simpsons being one of the funniest shows on TV, dine-in Pizza-Huts, going to the video store on Friday evening to pick out a movie or video game to rent, professional sports not being woke, video games not being afraid to be original, girls still making an effort to look feminine and pretty, etc.

bangbus 7 points ago +8 / -1

Re the girls - do you not recall the flannel grunge period of the ‘90’? Shudder.

I went to a dine in Pizza Hut like 2 years ago. That ain’t coming back. I’d much rather drink 2 pitchers of Bud and eat a thin and crispy pie with that crumbled pork topping, but the market has spoken and the average person now wants to eat some fucking arugula and squash pizza and drink some 9% double IPA shit.

CisSiberianOrchestra 10 points ago +10 / -0

Re the girls - do you not recall the flannel grunge period of the ‘90’? Shudder.

Yeah, there were those girls. But there were also a lot of girls who tried to mimic Jennifer Aniston or Pamela Anderson.

Ophelia 2 points ago +2 / -0

And Cindy Lauper. Girls just wanna have fun.

CisSiberianOrchestra 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wasn't Cindy Lauper in the 1980s?

anotherthing 3 points ago +3 / -0

She was. The 1980s were better despite the constant Cold War and fear of the Soviet Union. At least then, the Communists here were low key because everyone was looking for Commies.

DudeThatCame2Sarnath 1 point ago +1 / -0

One might say that the 80s were better because of constant Cold War and fear of the Soviet Union. When I think back to how many great games, music, books, movies were produced, as a direct result, well...

Ophelia 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol. Probably. Those days were all a blur. 🍺

seeyouinvalhalla -1 points ago +2 / -3

90s were a waste for girls. I remember when girls started wearing those tank tops with thin straps where you could see their bra straps. That was so hot at the time and it was around 2000 that I first saw them. During the whole 90s they wore oversized sweaters or flannel. And now if you go on instagram they're bearly wearing any clothes.

naahbruh 1 point ago +1 / -0

Spaghetti straps, just remembered what they used to call them… and yes, that was a highlight of the early 2k’s for me as well lol

I_Used_to_be_me 1 point ago +1 / -0

lol, I was entering middle school right around that time. Honestly didn't realize there was such a big change in fashiion because I thought it was just me/classmates getting older. Gosh what an unbelievable confusing time lmao. I was so into punk then, spikes and all (the pics are embarrassing, even if I was at the warped tour in half of em lol). I was lucky I played in a band, was good at guitar, not hideously ugly, and sort of got a "jock pass" since I played baseball and football (but wasn't really a jock), otherwise I'd have basically been girl-repellant (since Lacoste and popped collars and abercrombie and fitch and all that crap was what was in style, and definitely not what I was wearing)

godstopper90 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't know how people can manage to go into abercrombie stores it smells so bad in there.

I_Used_to_be_me 1 point ago +1 / -0

yup, gives me migraines just walking past one, now. And they're almost always next to a yankee candle lol. Insta-migraine

I_Used_to_be_me 3 points ago +3 / -0

Man, I miss the Pizza Hut buffet though haha. I couple years ago, I was still working in a garage, and we were next to a pizza hut. If we timed it right (usually just before 1pm) and went to the buffet, the waitress would let us literally clean the whole place out when we left, so we'd get to fill boxes w/ pizza, pasta, and salad. Usually two of us would go, so for like $15 we'd feed the entire garage haha. Then, eventuallly, the waitress would literally just pop her head out the pizza hut and yell at us "Hey, want free pizza?" and she'd have boxes ready for us. She was older, so she'd just make one of us run up the hill to grab it. She also expected discounts and general hookups when she brought her car in, but I was more than happy to hook her up for all the free food she'd given us over about 5 years.

I also have really fond memories of my hometown's pizza hut, about 20 years earlier. My dad would order often, and would always give me like 5 bucks to play Metal Slug X until I ran out of money (was the only arcade game they had, but I wasn't complaining. Hell, that game is still fun lol)

bangbus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Brother, your post made me grin from ear to ear.

itsdangerous 5 points ago +5 / -0

im much older than that and the 90s were great. the 2000s were meh. the 2010 were the beginning of the real fall. the 70 and 80s were okay to be arguably the 90 had better tech all around.

I_Used_to_be_me 2 points ago +2 / -0

I always thought the 70s were so badass growing up (mostly because I'm a musician and into rock, so the music drew me in), and my parents (especially my mom) was always like "nah, the 70s sucked, you're lucky," lol. My dad had a bit more rose-colored-glasses view, but basically admitted it sucked other than having great music, and decent SNL episodes

iamherefortheluls 1 point ago +1 / -0

what specifically sucked? lack of tech like air conditioning and computers?

I_Used_to_be_me 1 point ago +1 / -0

Idk I wasn't alive so I'll have to ask my parents again, but probably has a lot to do with Jimmy Carter, the economy sucking, sitting at a gas station for hours to get gas, etc etc.

edit - pretty sure air conditioning was fairly ubiquitous by then, though. My house growing up was built in the 70s and had central AC

sordfysh 4 points ago +4 / -0

Video games from the 90s were better than from the 00s, but man, the video games coming out on Steam these days are really REALLY good and original. There are no better days for video games than right now.

True, you have fewer grand story games, but you have so many games now where you can legit explore and get immersed in a world.

Also, you do have to search for the games yourself. And often you may need to do some modding. Nobody is gonna drop a diamond in your lap anymore.

Play Outer Wilds (also play Outer Worlds). Play Senua's Sacrifice. Play Subnautica. We live in a golden era.

I_Used_to_be_me 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've just started getting back into it (in fact, just got my first gamiing PC in about 20 years this week, w/ a 3080, so pumped!), and it definitely is overwhelming. I lost interest in video games a while ago. Missed the days of JRPGs and Nintendo 64, and games were just getting too complicated lol. Then, hoonestly, the Nintendo Switch drew me back in. There was so much fun stuff on there that... Idk, i guess felt like JRPGs and N64 games modernized/made today. And now I can get into way more stuff since I'm not confined to nintendo (I know it's a bit older, but I'm loving Witcher 3 right now. Just looks gorgeous. And about to play Disco Elysium since my friend keeps suggesting it and calling it "life changing" lol).

My wife, on the other hand, is kinda pissed. "You're bringing more shit into the house?!" she said as I'm building the PC and making a mess in the living room. Get it set up, hook it up to the TV, clean up the room, and start thinking. Wife asks what I'm thinking about, and I say "Idk where t.f. I'm gonna put the monitor and kbm for this..." "the what!!!" lol.

leo-bulero 23 points ago +23 / -0

The Patriot Act is when it all started going to shit. What ever happened to Russ Feingold?

TommyLasordasBallBag 15 points ago +17 / -2
  • Smart phones

  • thug idolization (90s thugs rapped about getting out of the trap... 2000s rap became much more violent and promoted hard drug use far more than its 90s counterpart)

  • participation trophies - if you were shit at ball in the 90s.. tough, you didn't get a trophy.

  • social media - people seek more virtual reaction (likes) than they do human interaction (actually being liked and respected)

  • divorce - a nuclear family builds an environment where two parents shield a child in their developmental years from the various pornographies in life so the child can form solid relationships to mimic their parents.

  • pornography - when you don't have to woo the attractive girl to see her naked, the attractive girl is going to get naked for money.

  • demoralizing of the religious - without a belief in being a good person for spiritual connection to your soul, there will be no desire to be a good person

sordfysh 3 points ago +3 / -0

The roots of all of that were in the 90s. Even the Patriot Act was brainstormed in 1999.

The media consolidation happened in 1995.

The Medicare act that restricted how many doctors we can license each year was also under Clinton in the 90s. It is why we have doctor shortages and overall consolidation and corruption of the healthcare industry.

I think the current days are a direct product of the 90s. It takes 20 years for trees to bear this kind of fruit.

booblitchutz 1 point ago +1 / -0

thug idolization (90s thugs rapped about getting out of the trap... 2000s rap became much more violent and promoted hard drug use far more than its 90s counterpart)

That shit started in the 80s. NWA was huge in the 80s as were other gangsta rap “artists”.

ScipioAmericanus 17 points ago +18 / -1

People who can’t remember the 90s

So, Resident Biden?

WowbaggerTIP 7 points ago +7 / -0

Back when he was just a balding, plagiarist, lifetime-public-leech who hated blacks.

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librul_tearsaholic 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm not joking!

WowbaggerTIP 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Push-up contest. NOW!" ;)

TheRealJaredHolt 16 points ago +16 / -0

I got into an argument with a dude who insisted reagan put through nafta and ruined america. He refused to believe it was Clinton, and said nafta was the worst policy ever, destroying the american middle class and setting us up for failure. When I showed him it was clinton, he suddenly said nafta wasnt all that bad.

GeneralVeers 7 points ago +7 / -0

That guy was doing some mental gymnastics that I find frightening on a George-Orwell-1984 level.

ChilledCovfefe 12 points ago +12 / -0

2009 or so is when Obama was really ramming everyone in the ass along with Congress. That’s when things started changing rapidly.

rebelde_sin_causa 3 points ago +3 / -0

When I look for blame for what is happening in the world, I'm unable to look away from The Precious

Apersonofinterest 10 points ago +10 / -0

Pretty sure Jack was a little tiny baby in the 90's but I appreciate the sentiment.

TommyLasordasBallBag 3 points ago +3 / -0

Still is, but now he's a rich tiny baby.

I_Used_to_be_me 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yea, I mean, he was born in 85, so you're not wrong, but... I'm an even younger 80s baby, and I remember the 90s perfectly well. Obviously not from an adult perspective though, but it's still there

HanginChad 9 points ago +9 / -0

Things used to be this way. Government was just as corrupt. People just didn't see it.

JeremiahKassin 6 points ago +6 / -0

There was more freedom.

But there was more freedom every decade going back at least 100 years. Imagine living before 1900, when the only obstacle to starting a new career was finding someone to train you, income tax was illegal, owning land was as simple as moving west, and people left caring for the poor to the church, and not the government.

magnokor 8 points ago +8 / -0

Weird, is true but is weird as well.

For 80% of that decade, Hillary and her husband were in charge.

Washington DC was the murder capital of the Free World, which forced their local basketball team to rename themselves as Washington Bullets was just too descriptive.

1980s were much better than the 90s.

Last century was much better than this century.

Blaming Open Borders, druggies, Silicon Valley, commies, Fat Oprah, ugly Ellen, globalists, China, the UN, imported heathens, evil media, corrupt judges, bought and soulless politicians, teacher unions, Hollywood, and many more. They wrecked everything.

NPCs in the 1990s only had programming an hour or two a day? Sitting there watching Fat Oprah, deciding everything she said about marriage, slavery, children was fact even though drug user Fat Oprah never had any of those.

CNN? Larry King wasn't bad. ABC, NBC, CBS, CTV, BBC, you could still turn on the TV and watch Seinfeld or Friends mocking rainbows and the Third World.

Maybe the globalists achieved something with Y2K. They thought, if we can panic hundreds of millions, while scamming billions of dollars, then faking so many other things for financial and political gain is going to be easy.

Langtath 8 points ago +8 / -0

The big gay push started in the 90s. It started with women kissing and now look where we are. Also, there was an "assault" weapons ban, which was pretty gay.

In Florida, we had vehicle inspections back then. We don't now so that's pretty good.

We were beholden to mass media companies and differing opinions were more difficult to spread to large audiences.

There is good and bad in every era. As bad as we have it now, it's nowhere near as bad as last century. We had millions upon millions of deaths from influenza, war and famine, and that was just in the first 45 years.

I see a good future for us, although things will get more difficult before they get better.

JeremiahKassin 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think you're onto something with this Y2K idea. Having lived through that, it always perplexed me how seemingly rational people lost their minds over what were obviously false predictions.

magnokor 2 points ago +2 / -0

Y2K idea.

Everyone was going silly, screaming about how bad it would be, giving billions of borrowed dollars to Silicon Valley people to save them.

No planes fell out of the sky, like the experts said. No nuclear power stations exploded, like the experts predicted.

One computer had to have the clock reset. Took 10 seconds. No problem at all.

Possibly the only proof of any Y2K is the Michigan voter information, in the 2020 election they seemed to have plenty of voters born 1/1/1900. Maybe not proof of Y2K, but proof of election rigging.

Star_Commander 5 points ago +5 / -0

Honestly right up to 9/10/2001 shit was pretty amazing. I woke up the next day and the world turned to shit.

I_Used_to_be_me 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yea that's always been it for me, too. Such a watershed moment where, looking back, you can point to it and say "and that's when everything changed" Before that, we were still all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, with the whole "new millennia" mindset

Star_Commander 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah. Literally had friends joining the Army and Marines within the week. I stayed out to take care of family. Happily, all of my friends came back alive and in one piece.

Which was pretty much the only good news of the decade.

TheTerroracist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Is your screen name a Battletech reference?

zoangelic 4 points ago +4 / -0

back in the 90's i went fishing with a black guy the same day i met him at a gas station. today a black guy might attack me for being an asian and the media tells him im privileged and he cant work cuz the china virus.

G_regulator 4 points ago +6 / -2

He's right. I miss the 90's, men were men and women didn't have dicks. Politicans hid their corruption and China wasn't even a blip on the radar. Girls with crazy hair didn't have phycosis and were easy, actually women full stop were better in the 90's. Cars and motorbikes looked way cooler and there were no bullshit emissions laws. Food was actually food and water wasn't full of chemicals.

I could go on forever. How did we end up here? How did we end up repeating our mistakes?

I_Used_to_be_me 2 points ago +2 / -0

Cars are the only thing I'm gonna disagree with here. I think the 90s had, objectively speaking, some of the ugliest cars (80s too. Can't decide which is worse. Probably 80s, but not by much)

MocksFordComma 4 points ago +4 / -0

Raise: the 70’s and 80’s.

It is unbelievable to me how free we once were compared to today. In one lifespan.

JeremiahKassin 2 points ago +2 / -0

Keep going.

Lurking-My-Life-Away 3 points ago +3 / -0

Who would have thought that my teenage years would be the last true years of freedom?

paramour 2 points ago +2 / -0

...or the 80's. The 70's? Now, that's a different story.

deepbake 2 points ago +2 / -0

the best is yet to come

lenchodahated 2 points ago +2 / -0

90’s were a different monster. i mean shit in the 90’s the Dallas Cowboys were still really good

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Canadian4Freedom 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you have critical thinking skills, hearing some insane idiot rant about the benefits of socialism has no impact on your ideas or behavior. But, if you turn out government drones with no ability to question or use logic or think critically, social media can leverage that ignorance. Social media, by itself, isn't the problem. That's like claiming that guns kill people. The technology isn't the problem, the people using it are. If you truly believed that social media was poison, you wouldn't be on a social media platform like p.win.

Thejudge6060 1 point ago +1 / -0

I knew things would never "go back to normal" once the pandemic lasted more than 2 weeks. How you ask?

It's not because Im particularly brilliant. I just remember being a kid and thinking the same thing after 9/11

Jappletime 1 point ago +1 / -0

I remember the 90’s the 80’s and the late 70’s. Our country is in a sad state.

Mexicola1976 1 point ago +1 / -0

Jack Posobiec was 5 when the 90's began.

booblitchutz 1 point ago +1 / -0

The 90s?!!

That’s when PC Culture started going mainstream!

ShampocalypseWOW 1 point ago +1 / -0

Having grown up in the 80's and 90's, it makes me extremely angry to look back on what was lost.

WhoKilledSethRich 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just started a book about how President Clinton’s largest donor influenced him into shaking down the Swiss for billions. Same gaslighting. Same private foundations profiting. The Internet let’s us communicate and see these things now

G_regulator 0 points ago +1 / -1

Some of the best Australian cars are from the 80/90's. They go for crazy money now too because they're so popular.