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Jujubees 40 points ago +40 / -0

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/332125809/ This says the spiked protein is stored in the bodies immune response monocytes, and nicotine helps the monocytes die off and take the spiked protein with it.

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JesusisKing 9 points ago +9 / -0

Why are there vape shills on my boards REEEEE

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JeremiahKassin 5 points ago +5 / -0

Because free speech means everyone gets a platform.

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JesusisKing 1 point ago +1 / -0

That article is complete shit you will die from vaping people it’s not healthy in the slightest

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KickingPugilist 9 points ago +9 / -0

Hell yeah!

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9Alp_CMa 8 points ago +8 / -0

Fuck yeah! Hits vape

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SimpForMelania 2 points ago +2 / -0

... Do you even vape, brah?

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dudeweedbro 1 point ago +4 / -3

LOL. Vape juice companies pay for shit like this to make you forget you're inhaling metal unless it's a full ceramic cart.

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Inquisitor_Corvus 1 point ago +1 / -0

I guess welders die young then /s

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Inquisitor_Corvus 1 point ago +1 / -0

I weld. Do you? Never got metal poisoning.

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Bernieisacuck 1 point ago +2 / -1

Yet..

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Inquisitor_Corvus 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sure handshake. I take personal responsibility seriously. Of course, I take safety seriously, as well, utilizing fume hoods and respirators. No poisoning, no cancer.

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TrumpingTheStorm 0 points ago +1 / -1

Lol boomers going to boom I guess.

Watch the documentary Billion Lives.

I know new things and technology can be scary to older people but its okay, even you could understand that documentary.

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bigmikesballsack 5 points ago +5 / -0

Not my research, but incredibly informative:

COVID-19 is a virus that contains two spike proteins, S1 and S2. The virus itself does some harm, which is different from the damage the spike proteins do.

First, the virus. The virus functions like the malaria mechanical function inside the blood. It rips the hemes off your hemoglobin, making your blood not be able to transport oxygen to your organs. Therefore, COVID causes organ failure, and low oxygen levels. This is also why Hydroxychloroquine works against it, it prevents your hemes from being torn off your hemoglobin. When your hemoglobin is ripped apart, you end up with free floating hemes that are toxic as well as radical Iron particles in your blood that your liver must remove, and when your liver gets overloaded, it is processed in the lungs, resulting in lungs becoming inflamed and filled with fluid. This is also why ventilators don't work, people are breathing fine, they are low on oxygen because they are low on hemoglobin, and no amount of mechanical breathing can increase the amount of oxygen the blood can absorb without hemoglobin. https://chemrxiv.org/engage/chemrxiv/article-details/60c74fa50f50db305139743d

Now, on to the spike proteins. When you get infected with COVID, the spike proteins go around infecting certain cells and injecting viral RNA (set of temporary instructions) and duplicating the virus. It takes about 1 week for your body to recognize the virus is bad and evoke an immune response. When your body does this, it sends monocytes to kill the infected cells. The spike proteins are eaten by the Classical Monocytes and SHOULD be destroyed inside of them, and then the monocyte will undergo apoptosis (die). This is working for the S2 protein, but not the S1. The S1 protein is being eaten by Classical Monocytes, but it is making the Monocytes change into Intermediate, and Non-Classical monocytes, and the S1 protein is NOT BEING DESTROYED in them, so they are refusing to undergo apoptosis. A monocyte should only live for 1 day to 1 week, but the Non-Classical Monocytes with the S1 protein in them are not dying for up to 15 months or more. Dr. Bruce Patterson is leading the research on this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9spx-4opMI

So, even after your body has killed off COVID-19 inside of you, you still have monocytes presenting the S1 protein. These monocytes with the S1 protein can pass through the blood-brain barrier and go anywhere in your body. They are causing vasodilation (increased size of blood vessels) throughout peoples’ bodies, inflammation of blood vessels, and nano clotting, especially in the capillaries. These nano clots and inflammation can cause heart attacks, fatigue, and all sorts of other problems. This is what is called Long Haul COVID. So, remember, what the virus does, and what the spike proteins do are 2 different things. But your body only responds by creating antibodies that will recognize and destroy the spike proteins (which neutralizes COVID's ability to replicate within the body, thus killing COVID). But the spike protein symptoms (vasodilation, inflammation, and nanoclotting) are not what the virus does (destroying hemoglobin).

NOW, to the vaccine. The vaccine injects either an adenovirus, or graphene oxide (toxic to humans in high doses but processed by an enzyme from the lungs in 2-3 weeks usually) into your body. https://phys.org/news/2018-08-natural-human-enzyme-biodegrade-graphene.html

The vaccine either had spike proteins in it (Pfizer and Moderna) or causes your cells to begin producing spike proteins via mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, Astrazeneca, all of them but Novavax). This causes your body to have an immediate immune response and begin producing antibodies against the spike proteins. This does make your body effectively immune to COVID if it worked properly. But it doesn't for 1 reason. The S1 spike proteins being eaten by your Classical Monocytes are being turned into Non-Classical monocytes (which should die in 1 week or less normally) that are not undergoing apoptosis, and therefore never dying. These S1 presenting monocytes are going throughout the body and causing serious damage and hurting your immune system. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.25.449905v1.full IF YOU COULD FORCE YOUR NON-CLASSICAL MONOCYTES TO UNDERGO APOPTOSIS, the vaccine would work properly. Bruce Patterson suggests using several drugs in his protocol to achieve the goals. Ivermectin kills the virus, Statins prevent the S1 protein presenting Monocytes from attaching to your cells, and several drugs (including nicotine) can induce monocyte apoptosis. When the S1 presenting Non-Classical monocytes undergo apoptosis, the S1 protein is destroyed, and the nano clotting, inflammation, etc. go away. This is also why smokers have been shown to test positive for COVID symptoms 80% less than the general population, the nicotine effectively renders them immune to the effects of the S1 protein, and thus most of COVID's symptoms. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200430/smokers-hospitalized-less-often-for-covid-19

So does the vaccine work, and why is COVID and its variants killing people still? Simply put, as your body is introduced to more and more COVID virus (or vaccines) your body begins building a larger and larger reservoir of very harmful S1 presenting Non-Classical Monocytes, that will eventually kill you. So, if you had COVID, you have a reservoir already. If you get the vax, now you have even more. If you get a second vax, or encounter people with COVID, you get even more and more, until you die, unless you do something to induce apoptosis in your Non-Classical Monocytes.

So yes, the vaccine is not useless, it does immunize people against COVID, but it destroys their immune system by creating a reservoir of S1 protein presenting Non-Classical Monocytes that reduce the body's ability to produce antibodies to fight off future COVID infection. If you induce apoptosis in your monocytes, then the vaccine works, and is not overly dangerous. As it is right now, the vaccine is immunizing people against COVID, but then putting their body in a state that it cannot fight off COVID, as well as many other pathogens. In addition, the vaccine can kill you, either immediately (via blood clotting), or long term via your reservoir of S1 presenting Monocytes. But COVID can do the latter if you are exposed to enough viral load, even over months or years.

With Ivermectin and Nicotine Lozenges and you can survive COVID-19 without the vaccination or any side effects. If you’ve been vaccinated, the Nicotine lozenges will destroy lingering S1 proteins.

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MMonk 4 points ago +4 / -0

It might also be worth fasting for 3-4 days to induce apoptosis in monocytes.

Fasting has been shown to impact monocytes: Dietary Intake Regulates the Circulating Inflammatory Monocyte Pool - Cell

When Fasting Gets Tough, the Tough Immune Cells Get Going—or Die - Cell

This is one of those "Starve a cold, feed a fever" things that isn't well understood but seems to work.

I first read about this in Tim Ferris' book "Four Hour Body" and supporting evidence pops up here-and-there. Just do your research first, and fasting can be very safe. Religious fasts are common all over the world.

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based_trekkie 1 point ago +1 / -0

What if you are "lozenge only"?

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Jujubees 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nicotine is helpful in the monocytes self destruction, it can be from smoking, vaping, lozenges, gum, or patch. Also if you take a statin (Lipitor, Crestor, Zocor) for cholesterol it prevents the monocytes with the spiked protein from attaching to your blood vessels. Which is why the vaccine isn’t as troublesome to older people with co- morbidities. Most are probably on a statin (personal hatred for statins) and another drug that does what nicotine does, or started smoking when the healthcare community said it was good for you.

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catsfive 24 points ago +24 / -0

THIS IS A GREAT MEME TAKE ON THIS

Well done pede

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ChelseaHubbell 12 points ago +12 / -0

This is how I survived 2020

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OriginalDankStar 9 points ago +9 / -0

Wow that is a big reduction.

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TheSonOfGadsden 7 points ago +8 / -1

That’s good news for my grandpa. 83, and been smoking since 17

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Username455231 74 points ago +74 / -0

Camel Unfiltereds - my lungs are where covid goes to die:) Seriously, though, I've known about this for a year - it's actually one of the first things chinese doctors noticed - the really sick ones didn't smoke. I just don't like to mention it, for fear some dumb kids will pick up the habit and use the "koof" as an excuse to start the dumbest habit of their lives.

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saltyviewer123 21 points ago +22 / -1

I think a large percentage of older boomer age Chinese men smoke.

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DonJr2032 5 points ago +5 / -0

The WebMD article says half of Chinese men smoke

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Trump_Is_Cyrus_777 3 points ago +3 / -0

A lot of elderly Italians still smoke and weren't they the biggest casualties over there.?Having said that, apparently they do have higher rates for respiratory and flu deaths in the elderly each year (more so than other European countries) so there may be other factors at play for Italy.

But yes, when Italy was first hitting the headlines there was mention that smokers seemed to not being hospitalized or dying as much, when you would think they would be the first taken out.

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Trump_Is_Cyrus_777 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just had a thought...what about snuff users. I think quite a few old people still use snuff, and there seemed to be making a comeback in younger people. There are a few snuff forums out there and they are like pipe enthusiasts in discussing the merits of various snuffs. Wonder if that has a similar protective benefit as it is basically pure tobacco - presumably snorting it would take the nicotine straight to the bloodstream.

I think snuff is vastly cheaper than any other nicotine habits although more disgusting. :)

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Green_New_Bullshit 16 points ago +17 / -1

If you haven't given vaping a shot, yes it's douchey, but I made the switch a few years ago, it's nice getting a fix without all the nastiness and being able to do it in damn near stealth mode.

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WhitePowerRanger 15 points ago +15 / -0

Stealth mode = giant cloud covering your face

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Thrasymachus 12 points ago +12 / -0

Depends on the device. I used a Juul with refillable pods for about a year and a half before I gave it up. The Juul (with better juice than anything sold under that brand) was actually pretty great; it was a revelation to be able to sneak puffs on airplanes and in bars--with virtually no smoke if you did it right.

Of course, I ditched even vaping in favor of a major fitness & workout regimen instead, which is obviously far better health-wise, though I'll be the first to admit I miss smoking (and vaping) from time to time even now, years later, and probably always will.

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KickingPugilist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Even without a concentrated salt vape device, I found running the faucet in a plane creates downward draw and you can blow the vape cloud down with the water and through the toilet when you flush as well.

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Thrasymachus 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is the sort of conversation that surely sounds stupid to non-smokers (or, I suppose now in the 21st Century, non-smokers and/or non-vapers) but damn, after 15 years of not being able to smoke on a plane, it seemed like an almost inconceivable luxury (and what forbidden fruit) to sneak a draw here and there on a long flight. Since gave it all up but yea, good times--and clever thinking with the sink.

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daty_dato 1 point ago +1 / -0

Small hits. Lower wattage and gronk the hit. I smoke in plane bathrooms all the time.

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Green_New_Bullshit 5 points ago +5 / -0

LoL, fair point, I was talking about salt nic pod vapes, easier to conceal.

That said, there is something to be said for puffing phat clouds too!

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FuckingWiseCracker 8 points ago +8 / -0

Puffing fat clouds now. Day 12 of zero cigarettes. Feeling and breathing 100% better already.

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Saltybitch 2 points ago +2 / -0

Congratulations!! Day 778 for me, so glad to be rid of those damn cigarettes. According to this quit app I've saved $9,217 so far. Vaping is literally the only thing that has ever worked for me.

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FuckingWiseCracker 3 points ago +3 / -0

Congrats to you, as well. Vaping is the only thing to work for me as well. I fucking LOVE nicotine, it is my vice that I will carry with me for the rest of my life. Last year, I put together 6 months cigarette-free, and went through a rough patch, in which I almost drank again (5.5 years clean and sober as well) so I picked up some smokes and continued smoking for a full year after the rough patch. Now, I really am trying again, still craving them, especially if I wait too long to hit my vape, and also after meals. The first cup of covfefe gets me a little Jonesy too. I feel like the cravings are getting slightly weaker by the day though, so I'll hang in there. A Day at a Time. Best wishes, Fren!

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bighomiebeenchillin 1 point ago +1 / -0

its just vapor bro

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Aquamine-Amarine 3 points ago +3 / -0

If you've never smoked like me, I don't think you should start vaping or smoking. However, if you're a smoker, I do think switching to vaping is the right thing to do. Greg Gutfeld talks a lot about how he used to smoke then switched to vaping since it's apparently safer. It's also a good way to help you quit altogether, since quitting something cold turkey is dangerous with the withdrawals. Best to slowly go from smoking, to vaping, then stopping.

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Green_New_Bullshit 7 points ago +7 / -0

Gutfeld isn't the only one at Fox:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4xeptsjEBg

I agree though, if you never smoked or vaped, just don't start, unless of course there's something to this whole nicotine protects against Covid thing maybe. That said, If you do creative/engineering type work nicotine, similarly to caffeine or THC it does provide a kind of creative boost. There's certainly something sublime about drinking coffee and smoking when it comes to being creative, I can vouch for that.

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FormerGraveheart 4 points ago +4 / -0

Thing is, I don't give a shit about protecting against Covid. I care about protecting against the vaccines, and if it protects against that (and if it's dealing with spike proteins, it might be), then it might actually be worth starting, especially with all the spike protein shedding going on these days.

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KickingPugilist 19 points ago +19 / -0

"Daddy why did you start smoking? Because it was cool?"

"Sit down child, I have a story for you that involves frogs, fraud, a plandemic, and cigarettes."

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FormerGraveheart 3 points ago +3 / -0

Crazy world we live in, isn't it?

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WenOli311 2 points ago +2 / -0

Write the book fren!

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mugatucrazypills 2 points ago +2 / -0

What about the gum ?

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The_kool_mom 6 points ago +6 / -0

Im sure that would be fine if you were very consistent in it. But I wouldn’t go below step 2 which is 14 mg per day. The patch would be a better choice. Walmart brand is pretty cheap - $27 for 2 weeks worth. Worn 12 hours during the day, should do the trick. This is the dose prescribed for people with gut related auto-immune disease in the UK. It puts 70% of cases into remission. The US has been suppressing this info and pushing their super expensive biologic infusions instead that cause iymphoma.

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TrumpTrainForever 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have read a lot about nicotine patches and ulcerative colitis. My wife has UC and it has been pretty debilitating. I have often thought about trialing nicotine patches for her to see if it works. She has moderate to severe ulcerative colitis though, not sure if it would be effective.

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The_kool_mom 1 point ago +1 / -0

My husbands UC almost killed him, He got down to 115 lbs and was too weak for the 8 hour surgery to remove his colon. He could no longer eat and they sent him home to die from the top gastric hospital in Dallas. I stayed up for days straight researching online to try to save him when I found all the UK studies showing over 50% of people in nicotine trials went into remission. We started the patch and 2 days later he was able to eat. A week later, his trips to the bathroom cut in half, 2 more weeks after that, he was in remission. That was 10 years ago. It has literally been a miracle cure for us.

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TrumpTrainForever 2 points ago +2 / -0

Does he wear a patch every day? Has he relapses at all since then?

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mugatucrazypills 1 point ago +1 / -0

All my care decisions have to tempered for my extreme laziness.

Gum sounds easier.

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pj_1991 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hemp cigarettes help quit smoking tobacco.

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Hendrixdan57 2 points ago +2 / -0

I replaced my daily pack of Marlboro red with joints. Been cigarette free since 2016. Thc is way better than nicotine. Its also cheaper if you live in Chicago

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TwoPlusTwoEqualsFour 3 points ago +3 / -0

No, smoke tobacco.

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ronburgandy 3 points ago +3 / -0

I was never a big cigarette smoker, prefer cigars or dip but I do love me some unfiltered camels as a treat every once in a while.

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hocuspocusfocusjeep 2 points ago +2 / -0

Used to smoke a pack a day, went to vapes, got COVID and couldn’t breathe really. Survived like mostly everyone does. . Switched to lozenges

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Jon888 52 points ago +52 / -0

I guarantee you ventilators kill you faster than cigarettes.

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WhitePowerRanger 17 points ago +17 / -0

I’m in it for the slow death.

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Jon888 9 points ago +9 / -0

That and it's something to do while I drive

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medicpatriot 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ventilators don’t really kill you. If you’re on a ventilator for respiratory failure you just likely aren’t going to make it to begin with.

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Jon888 3 points ago +3 / -0

Put a healthy person on a ventilator for a month and another cigarettes, the one on a ventilator is likely to get lung infections.

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medicpatriot 1 point ago +1 / -0

You are correct about VAP, but the questions remains, did the person need a ventilator to stay alive? If the answer is yes, then your argument is irrelevant.

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Jon888 1 point ago +1 / -0

My argument is facetious at worst.

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Hendrixdan57 3 points ago +3 / -0

Respirators dont kill you its the medical malpractice that kills you. Over 200,000 deaths a year from medical malpractice. Thats more thank covid took out in the us the first year.

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bigmikesballsack 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's actually the third leading cause of death in the US. It's just not published because doctors and nurses are infallible "heroes."

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TrumpTrainForever 3 points ago +3 / -0

I have been saying this since the beginning. Improperly venting someone will kill them. It will create massive barotrauma and destroy your lungs and you will die.

If you ever had an actual audit into these covid deaths you would likely find tons of people improperly ventilated and that is what actually killed them.

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Hendrixdan57 2 points ago +2 / -0

They remember every step of the Tik-Tok dance but not to over inflate your lungs to the point of lung explosion. But hey Insurance is still paying right? Next person with bacterial lung infection from over masking there is an open respirator for you now. Gotta pump up these covid death numbers or they might start ignoring the fear porn.

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TrumpTrainForever 1 point ago +1 / -0

Exactly, now you’re getting it!

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DefKon1 27 points ago +27 / -0

I don't know, Im a smoker..but here is an anecdote for you: when I was in the Army, when my platoon went to the desert, almost everone I knew got sand lice..except the smokers, even the guy I shared a pup tent with got lice. Not even one smoker that I knew of got lice. Fast forward 20 yrs, Im married with 3 kids...everyone in my house got lice, my wife and all 3 kids( one of the neighbor kids started it, I hate that shit, had to cut everyones hair and wash everything at the same time, bag all the toys, etc. ) ...But not me. American Indians thought it was a medicine plant..🤔🇺🇲

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45isthebomb 21 points ago +21 / -0

I think tobacco would be fine. It's the bull shite they add that's the problem...just my 2cents worth.

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TwoPlusTwoEqualsFour 12 points ago +12 / -0

Like when all cig producers had to add fire retardants years ago because 2 people fell asleep and set the pillows on fire.

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FemaleBodyInspectur 1 point ago +1 / -0

You mean 0bomma? Fuck that lanky tranny fucker... Right in his stupid face.

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DefKon1 10 points ago +10 / -0

agreed..I started smoking 100% tobacky, no chemicals, no additives about 15years ago and I can tell a YUGE difference! But actually more expensive!..lol...I called the company and said wtf? why so expensive if less product? Lady said we get fined by the Guv because we dont spray pesticides and they claim we are putting other nearby crops in danger! Yikes! I guess damned if you do damned if you don't!

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Jerome 27 points ago +27 / -0

Smoke em if you got em.

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fakewhiterage 5 points ago +5 / -0

A pede of culture I see

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FloppyDisks 15 points ago +15 / -0

My grandmother lived until 90 smoking. I am betting 43 at most in my case. But I smoke Lights....wait Golds now. Im top tier

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daty_dato 9 points ago +9 / -0

Only a 1/3 of people get lung cancer from smoking. A lot more have COPD and other things though.

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saltyviewer123 9 points ago +10 / -1

I had a family member with COPD after WWII. It really sucks when you can't do anything cause you can't get the oxygen you need.

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WhitePowerRanger 7 points ago +7 / -0

That’s why i adopted the scuba Steve setup and carry around two oxygen tanks on my back wherever I go

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FuckingWiseCracker 2 points ago +2 / -0

Top Kek! Literally Lol'd.

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arkylady 2 points ago +2 / -0

My mom recently died of lung cancer, but she smoked for over 65 years for fucks sake.

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June_Bug 3 points ago +3 / -0

What if it wasn't smoking that caused lung cancer but something else. Could you imagine if it was the poison pumped into the air by manufacturing plants and the "additives" in gasoline, but the government pointed their finger at smoking so there was a scape goat?

It's dirty and deceiving, so it sounds exactly what the government would do.

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Trump2024 1 point ago +1 / -0

I quit smoking at the beginning of the year and last week found out I have cancer. I already knew I have COPD.

I am not a smart man.

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ihaveotherthingstodo 4 points ago +4 / -0

Prayers for you, fren.

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Trump2024 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks much, super fren!

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Donald4thewin 2 points ago +2 / -0

More prayers. God bless and stay strong

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Trump2024 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thanks very much!

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Green_New_Bullshit 7 points ago +7 / -0

I used to smoke lights, Camels actually.

I get all the negative connotations around the "douche flute" culture.

But I made the switch in 2018 and I'm glad that I did. I can smell, I can taste, I don't stink, and I can breathe. Turns out, a handful of chemicals with nicotine is way better than a ton of chemicals with nicotine.

It took a couple days to get acclimated to it, but since then I've smoked maybe a half dozen cigarettes, and it has grossed me out every time.

5% nicotine Jull Virgina Tobacco all the way, depending on how much you smoke and what cigs cost in your state you might actually save money. You can also hit up a vape shop and buy a tank vape, up front cost can be high (you get what you pay for), but it's waaay cheaper than cigs in the long run.

If you tried the vape for a while and it wasn't for you I get it, but if not I recommend giving it a shot.

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FloppyDisks 9 points ago +9 / -0

Yeah no vape. I have quit a couple times. It's not hard to quit in county jail lol. My fighting days are over....took me 39 years and a pandemic to close it down. Will never go back to a bar. Fights and tail used be all I cared about.

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Trump2024 1 point ago +1 / -0

Quitter!

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BasedITGuy 5 points ago +5 / -0

Smoked a pack a day menthols for 9 years. Switched in 2012 or so, back in the 510 carto days. Need to quit, but if it's keeping the coof off me I guess I'll make this juice run tomorrow. Lol

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WhitePowerRanger 4 points ago +4 / -0

Buy online man. Those vape shops have a 300% or more up charge. They wanted 90$ for a nice mod cart. Went online and found it for 30

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Green_New_Bullshit 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, only reason I recommended going to a shop would be for people new to vaping, and because they banned shipping juice. Some shops are really great about advising what to get and will show you how everything works.

Once you know what's what buying online makes more sense.

Of course you can learn all this online as well, but for some folks it's just not the same.

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BasedITGuy 2 points ago +2 / -0

Are they shipping? Mfs went out of business because of the shipping thing.

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Green_New_Bullshit 2 points ago +2 / -0

Far as I know that was only for shipping juice. Felt bad for my local shop, they were about in tears talking about it, they did a lot of online business.

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WhitePowerRanger 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yup. They keep extending it or whatever.

Elementvape.com

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armedprincess23 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can’t anymore, the covid bill block vape juice from being sent via USPS and of course the big business of UPS DHL and FedEx all joined in. The company I bought from is gone. They went out of business because they couldn’t ship. I found one that uses a carrier service so I can get stuff but it takes forever.

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WhitePowerRanger 1 point ago +2 / -1

Www.elementvape.com

Just bought from them last week. Got it in two days. 🙄

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armedprincess23 2 points ago +2 / -0

I got mine within a week. So happy. Thank you for the link

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WhitePowerRanger 1 point ago +1 / -0

No problem fren! Happy to help =)

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dsm1cxm 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can also buy ingredients and free instructions on the internet and mix your own juice. My wife and I both vape for about $10 per month, vs $350+ in smoking 5 years ago.

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Trump2024 1 point ago +1 / -0

I used to smoke cigarettes and vape. I used Juul but put my own blend into the pods. I bought the eJuice from tobacco stores and refilled the pods myself. I got so good at refilling I could take the pod apart, refill and reassemble in about 30 seconds. Now I'm nicotine free but miss it a lot. It was my best friend.

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ronburgandy 2 points ago +2 / -0

The one smoker I know who actually got lung cancer smoked lights. Straight cowboy killers might be better, the harshness keeps you from dragging as hard as people do on lights.

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I_Am_John_Galt 13 points ago +13 / -0

I can finally justify my obscenely expensive Nicorette gum habit

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ImpeachThisBitch 5 points ago +5 / -0

Switch to Kirkland. Been chewing 15 years.

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I_Am_John_Galt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, I tried it a few times in a pinch. Flavor doesn't last long enough and it's a tough chew compared to name brand, at least for me.

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NormaJeanRocks 4 points ago +4 / -0

My dad chomps it too, for years constantly. I think he was about my age when he quit. Maybe I'll get there soon, just don't give a shit at the moment.

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loric4882 3 points ago +3 / -0

You too?

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Jujubees 3 points ago +3 / -0

If you chew on it too fast do you get hiccups?

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Efrum 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yup, I drink something and it goes away. You?

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I_Am_John_Galt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yep, I did way back when I started after I quit dipping. Not anymore these days though. Now it's more of a habit/routine of chewing than it is the nicotine. Something to do when I'm in a meeting with the talking heads blathering on..

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Gemini42 3 points ago +3 / -0

So I dipped for about 20 years and have been using the lozenges. Now I am addicted to them. I want to quit them, do you think the gum would be easier to quit at some point? I would like to stop spending $100 a month.

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I_Am_John_Galt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Couldn't say. When I quit previously I can tell you that it wasn't the nicotine that was the hard thing to break it was the habit of chewing the gum or throqing a dip in at a certain time of day. The chemical addiction only took me a day or two to shake off.

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Gemini42 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's good, I think a lot of my issue is with the same...an oral fixation. I know that sounds bad but you know what I am getting at. LOL

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least_counties_ever 10 points ago +10 / -0

Democrats smoke cock.

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fauxtool 3 points ago +3 / -0

Cumalla def does

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Red_Princess 9 points ago +9 / -0

TOBACCO is a known anti-viral since the 1600s!! Even before we knew what viruses were, we knew tobacco could cure many disease that other cures didn't work on. This is BURIED by the medical community because smoking is, of course, bad for you--but it does have some "health" properties!

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TwoPlusTwoEqualsFour 9 points ago +9 / -0

No plant was a mistake. Except for grass, mowing is stupid and a massive waste of time/resources.

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ihaveotherthingstodo 4 points ago +4 / -0

Except for grass

I think the original plan was for each of us to have a couple of cows, a couple of goats, and a few sheep, making grass a wonderful idea.

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bOObs 4 points ago +4 / -0

chewing though is practically a risk-free alternative. some folks like me would even say healthy. there was once a study confirming its anti-cancerous properties (!), but got buried and can’t find it ever since.

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KS-76- 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just to clarify, do you mean chewing tobacco or no nicotine gum.

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bOObs 2 points ago +2 / -0

traditional chew tobacco

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KS-76- 3 points ago +3 / -0

Cool, thank you. Any organic options that don't have a lot of extra crap in it?

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bOObs 3 points ago +3 / -0

not an American here, they know way better. question of finding grandpa’s old recipe

I used to have an access to a centuries old english product called ‘irish xx black’ twist / rope tobacco (especially canned/tin/prepackaged version that comes a bit too dry; ‘in bulk’ version may come spoiled due to the lack of proper (open air) storage, depending on the tobacconist) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lEB0lwECQmI Americans have their own versions of it though; definitely not for the beginners.

Maybe the problem with commercial chew is the same as with commercial snuff tobacco here in europe. Both contain preservatives to keep it from ‘drying out’. The traditional, homemade snuff though (called schmalzer, example: Sternecker echt fresco ungefetted) comes totally dry and You’re supposed to add either some melted ghee, clarified butter or beef dripping at home to make it ‘moist’. That way there are no preservatives (may add bit of salt too during thr summer) included in the final product, although it has to be kept in the fridge/freezer to keep it from spoiling or should be made on almost daily basis.

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KS-76- 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thank you!

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VonTyger 8 points ago +8 / -0

In the book version of I am Legend, or some other story maybe, smoking kills the virus and is one of the reasons that the main character survives.

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MountainMan95 8 points ago +8 / -0

Rush talked about this last summer. I've been smoking like a damn coal engine since since then and haven't had so much as a sniffle. I haven't worn any gay masks either...

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45isthebomb 8 points ago +8 / -0

Anybody out there that still smokes a pipe? My ww2 Uncles smoked pipes. I used to sit on the porch in West Virginia watching them smoke and clean their pipes. Pack another bowl and light it up. Fascinating to watch as a child.

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TheManFromSaturn 5 points ago +5 / -0

I smoke a pipe. I’m a big Lord of the rings fan and a few years back my wife got me a long stemmed hobbit pipe and I took up the habit. At first I just smoked nicotine free herbal blends, but after a while I switched to tobacco. I’ve found it to be non-habit forming; sometimes I go weeks at a time without realizing I haven’t smoked. Other times I’ll smoke every day. I enjoy it, but I don’t crave it. It’s also much, much cheaper than cigarettes. I buy about 2lbs of quality tobacco a year, costs me around $80.

I actually recommend the herbal blends. It’s mostly the same stuff you would get in an herbal tea. They give a very invigorating, uplifting effect. The downside is the smoke isn’t quite as nice smelling and a bowl of it only lasts like 5-10 minutes as opposed to 30-40 for a bowl of tobacco.

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TwoPlusTwoEqualsFour 5 points ago +5 / -0

Anything pipe tobacco is better than store bought FSC shit.

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HOSEQ 4 points ago +4 / -0

I made my own pipe about a year after settling in.... Guess where.... Weirdly named town.... Man... yeah.... Made it out of Rose stem and something that looks like an oak, but isn't Oak.... Really long tall tree that grows like weeds here in WV.... And yes it gets lots of "smoke time".... Not by me, usually the wifes son and his friends....

At home, in N.M. I used to have all of the family Pipes that were handed down through the Ages.... About 25 of them.... All used to the point of failure....

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BasedITGuy 3 points ago +3 / -0

Used to. So much more enjoyable, but it does make ya stink a little more. Same state too lol

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RedAltoids 2 points ago +2 / -0

I do. I love smoking my pipe. So many choices in tobacco. Tastes great, some blends are very pleasant for others to smell, others not so much.

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SuperSilly 4 points ago +4 / -0

Nicotine actually kills some shit related to the virus. Not a scientist, just repeating shit I read. How do I stop my dumb phone from changing words like "shit" I don't need to be corrected.

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AbrahamLincoln 3 points ago +3 / -0

If you type 'shit' enough times your phone just decides to accept it.

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djscrews 2 points ago +2 / -0

Shit shit shit shit shit shit shit....... LOL

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MythArcana 7 points ago +7 / -0

Yup, vaping large for over 3 years now. Also, fuck USPS.

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SaltyKrakenBalls 6 points ago +6 / -0

Unfiltered cowboy killers are more effective than the jab. Fauci told me so.

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Green_New_Bullshit 11 points ago +11 / -0

He's now saying that you should double smoke.

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rn10950 2 points ago +2 / -0

Tony ten-packs

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saltyviewer123 6 points ago +7 / -1

I'm calling it now. Gov't drops restrictions on nicotine produced products and it gets injected into the mass population via various food and other sources to help prevent COVID, but in reality making everyone drug addicts.

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daty_dato 5 points ago +5 / -0

They'll let millions die first sadly.

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IncredibleMrE1 4 points ago +5 / -1

They already banned transportation of e-liquids

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trumpdouble 3 points ago +3 / -0

No; they still ship but someone 18 or 21 or whatever, has to be at home to receive it.

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saltyviewer123 4 points ago +6 / -2

because weed and fentanyl makes slaves less reliable workers.

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SludgeWarehouse 1 point ago +1 / -0

They are doing the opposite. I can't remember which city it was, but there was one that recently banned menthol cigarettes under the guise of trying to get black people to quit smoking.

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Jecovidwitness 6 points ago +6 / -0

Anyone have some luckies?

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OtisTheTownDrunk 2 points ago +2 / -0

L.S.M.F.T. !!

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djscrews 2 points ago +2 / -0

Luckies taste better.... Doo da Doo da Doo da.

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DJT_MFer 6 points ago +6 / -0

Only unfiltered Lucky Strikes for me...

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Green_New_Bullshit 5 points ago +5 / -0

Shit I had a shift supervisor in the 90's that smoked like 2-3 packs of those per shift.

I smoked at the time, but he gave me one and I damn near keeled over from it.

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DJT_MFer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol, and now the coof has got nothing on you

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MrMcGreenGenes 6 points ago +6 / -0

Cheap menthols are $25/carton at the Res.

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TwoPlusTwoEqualsFour 5 points ago +5 / -0

Look next to the bar code. "FSC" means it's was treated with flame retardant. It's not a bargain.

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TheOutlawPepeWales 5 points ago +5 / -0

I get it from the Cherokee for ten bucks a pound and roll my own. It's a small act of rebellion, but Democrats really hate it when you dodge their taxes. All I want is free and fair trade. Fuck the revenuer man.

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Ez_mac 6 points ago +6 / -0

The “science” in the 50’s and 60’s - “tobacco is good for you and perfectly healthy”

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AbrahamLincoln 5 points ago +5 / -0

I remember when the states were screeching for ventilators to fight the common cold, and as soon as they got them they put them in a warehouse somewhere and never used them because they don't work. And then the entire thing got memory-holed.

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NADSAQ 5 points ago +5 / -0

Pepe’s smokin’ Normies

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TwoPlusTwoEqualsFour 4 points ago +4 / -0

They put friggen flame retardants in the store bought ciggies. It started in like 2008. Roll/grow your own or stfu.

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Magawookiee 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ya I’d say my smoking habits have increased the past year. My favourite place to smoke these days is in front of the inoculation site across the street. I just stand there, smoke, and shake my head in disbelief.

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anon123456789 3 points ago +3 / -0

Propylene Glycol is used in vape pens and also hospitals. When my mom went from smoking to vaping she quit getting sick.

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Trump2024 3 points ago +3 / -0

I quit at the beginning of the year and my lungs have felt awesome. Sadly they found cancer last week but it's something I'm going to beat. Man, I sure could go for a cigarette!

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bOObs 3 points ago +3 / -0

You may want to go with a proper chew instead; way, way safer than smokes and actually (as crazy as it sounds) has anti cancerous properties. going cold turkey only seems to accelerate the cancer.

You may also want to consider switching from alcohol to honeygar, kombucha, homemade lemonade or kvass and practicing traditional cuisine full of prefermented foods like (here an east european example) salami, kefir, sour milk, sourdough wholegrain bread with some butter on it (!), sour pickles, sauerkraut, quark, smoked meat etc. Weed edibles shouldn’t hurt either on limited basis if ok with You.

I apologise for giving unrequested advice.

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Trump2024 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fren, don't apologize! I sincerely appreciate your time spent giving tips.

I started with the patch and nicotine gum and occasionally juul. I had used juul often while I was still a smoker so that gave a great placebo pacifier effect. I'm down to only one or two pieces of 2mg nicotine gum now. Some days zero. The VA hospital has been awesome by helping with patches and gum.

I drink so rarely anymore I don't even consider myself a drinker. I'm down with the edibles. Definitely with you on the smoked meats and other foods you mentioned!

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OnlyTrump20 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nicotine is an antiviral.

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Pegstar69 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm a smoker. I had Covid in March. It manifested as a stomach bug. Never had any respiratory symptoms whatsoever. List sense of smell and taste and was lethargic for a week

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daty_dato 3 points ago +3 / -0

The FDA, for instance, issued an update on Tuesday that said smokers may be more vulnerable to respiratory illnesses such as COVID-19.

That's one special way to interpret that data...

As for Vape peeps. Propylene Glycol may have positive effects on inhaled diseases. PG is usually the main component of vape juice. That VG and nicotine.

https://www.churnmag.com/news/1942-study-uncovers-incredible-health-benefits-of-inhaled-propylene-glycol/

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Green_New_Bullshit 12 points ago +12 / -0

I've been vaping the whole time, never caught it.

Remember just before Covid hit all of those reports of vape related illnesses and deaths? Pepe Farms remembers.

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learntocode 2 points ago +3 / -1

Nicotene lozenges work to yo.

COVID was made in a Marlboro laboratory. Change my mind.

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MisterKpak 2 points ago +2 / -0

I saw this idea on here yesterday, and the NIH has a paper confirming it. Absolute top kek

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Dirk_Diggler 2 points ago +2 / -0

They went from Cowboy Killers to Covid Killers.

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NeverFox 2 points ago +2 / -0

I read these studies early on and as a nicotine lozenge user I paid close attention. It seems as if they haven't really expanded or followed up on these studies because they don't want to promote smoking, but anecdotally I don't see nicotine users getting sick.

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LonelyLadypedeSF_CA 2 points ago +2 / -0

So is it the nicotene that fixes you up or the smoke in your lungs? If the former, a nicotene patch seems like a good way to go.

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NeverFox 1 point ago +1 / -0

nicotine

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operatorstorm712 2 points ago +2 / -0

I knew there was a reason why I loved these cancer sticks (besides the obvious ones).

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EpstinDidntKilHimslf 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yep, the smoke kills the viruses. REMEMBER: Viruses suck at living in any conditions that aren't perfect. Therefore, smoking completely stops transmission in many instances.

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XCorneliusX 2 points ago +2 / -0

Could be why cigs have gotten to be so expensive in the last year or so. It was costly before, but I noted in Tampa it is near to $8 a pack of name brands.

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TheSonOfGadsden 2 points ago +3 / -1

Used to smoke Marlboro 27’s. Quit because was having issues with my heart at 21. Whiskey and beer however have been good to me.

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TrumpOrTreason 1 point ago +1 / -0

It’s true. Nicotine helps protect.

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No_cucks 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yep, get yourselves some darts, nicotine gum or a robot dick. This is apparently sCiENcE you can actually trust.

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Duster_340 1 point ago +1 / -0

That Pede frog looks a lot happier smoking those cigs than a lot of faggy libs I see.

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Shure81 1 point ago +1 / -0

I drink like a train and smoke like a fish

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JesusisKing 1 point ago +1 / -0

Damn

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Ch3f4554551n 1 point ago +1 / -0

As a loyal smoker of Malboro Milds, I can tell you I haven't been sick in YEARS.

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JZSquared 1 point ago +1 / -0

Is that why the Biden admin pushed to outlaw menthols?

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RIP_NWO 1 point ago +1 / -0

ya but what about weed

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armedprincess23 1 point ago +1 / -0

So glad I vape!

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eddieblasphemy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Reminder: Christmas is right around the corner. It's never too early to get some shopping in. Just gonna leave this here.