To my understanding, Mods don't have access to this info over on Reddit. Here, they could!
If someone does nothing but downvote, then they are either a bot, an Antifa member, part of the deep state, or otherwise unwelcome.
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Who the hell downvotes real comments anyway? if your comment is good you get an upvote. If it's not so good maybe it doesn't get an upvote. If it's a brigader you get a deport.
I do, but then I will upvote the corresponding comment that I agree with.
If you have a real comment but it does not add to the conversation you get a downvote, if you are good for the thread you get an upvote. I use both to help make the quality of conversation the best we can
Unless it's blatantly unrelated, I ignore it. No reason to enforce an echo chamber either.
downvoting the incoherent ramblings of the mentally ill does not help enforce an echo chamber. There is plenty of room to disagree and still support Trump and have a worthwhile discussion. There is nothing wrong with downvoting comments that do not add anything to a discussion, and deporting comments that are not supportive of Trump.
One easy way to get around that would be to just disable downvoting all together - The best content will still get the most upvotes, but brigading will be impossible.
I agree. We have Deport when needed. Most social media platforms do not have downvoting or dislike, because it just makes people with unpopular opinions react by saying "Oh well f--- you too, you pieces of s---, I knew I hated all of you". Downvoting was a bad idea to begin with. The only reason reddit still has downvotes is because their masters demand the ability to control the narrative with it.
I like this idea a LOT!!!
Down voting is useful in moderation, not having it at gives some unforeseen consequences and you end up with Facebook.
Learn to analyse and track them first though. Then watch them morph shape when hard limits are applied.
They will start abusing upvotes instead.
I downvote cucks (and deport them)
That's the best use for downvoting but we don't need the downvoting ability to have the ability to deport.
I like the option to downvote for a quick disagreement, but having the option to downvote here at td.win will just encourage leftards to signup to have a cheap shot at us without being deported for being a hateful, fascist leftist.
Even if the mods can identify accounts with a pattern of just downvoting and deport such accounts, it's just more unnecessary work for them, and it won't keep them out because it's easy to make another account.
I believe that giving up the ability to downvote will discourage leftards from signing up because in order to harass us and relieve a bit of the built up tension their hatred causes, they will be forced to post and expose themselves for the intolerant pricks they are, and they will be deported.
They can make new accounts, but it's still more work. Actually, I noticed that email and email verification isn't needed to sign up as a member here. As much as I am for privacy and freedom, we have a real problem with haters who will do absolutely ANYTHING to get td.win shut down.
We've already seen several posts on reddit in which leftards are calling for our destruction, trying to coordinate to hack us, to create tons of "alt accounts" here to harass us and get us in trouble, and to harass the web hosts and any resource we might need to stay up. There is a reddit sub named "Destroy_The_Donald" for goodness' sake. This site literally has a target on its back.
I know an email account is easy to create, but it's an extra step and, if only major email providers are white-listed, and email verification is required, this will probably save us from having to deal with an avalanche of cucks signing up to attack us, or worse, to post their garbage pretending to be us, take the screenshots, and use them to campaign to shut us down.
We give our email addresses to sign up for a lot of different things that we don't even trust in as much as we trust in the people who fight for America with us. I don't see a reason why any of us wouldn't be able to provide a verifiable email address.
We could also have an option to either provide a verifiable email address or provide our T_D reddit username to be vetted before account activation. All I know is that there are many leftards set on shutting us down and we can't underestimate them.
Remember their BanOut campaign to get every conservative reddit sub, especially Trump-supporting ones, shut down? The campaign with all the different phases, in which shutting down T_D was their main goal and last phase? Yeah, they got there. We are practically shut down on reddit. T_D is still there, but we are quarantined, hidden from the world, suppressed, censored, often shadowbanned, harassed, and discriminated against. If they don't shut T_D reddit down by or before the end of the next quarantine jail appeal date (6 months from the last appeal denial), it will be only because, besides getting us shut down here, maintaining T_D reddit open but quarantined, is their only other option and hope to keep us from moving full time to td.win and making it a force to reckon with that will actively help OUR favorite president be reelected.
To me, president Trump's reelection is worth way more than providing a verifiable email address to td.win. And, IMO, we should have td.win as our primary headquarters as soon as it's ready to take in the masses.
We can't have the sign up process here require only a made up name and a password because leftards will open new accounts all day long after being deported in order to try to destroy us. Even if IPs are banned, proxies/VPNs can easily take care of that.
*Edited for some fixes
I can see your point, but downvoting can also help the mods find false flaggers faster.
I do think that email validation might be worth considering as well.
Email validation is no longer useful. Someone can easily create a throw-away email address. For social media, I have a protonmail.com address so it can't be used to doxx me.
As I replied to someone else already, I understand that email validation won't stop them, but it will stop some from opening even the 1st account and will stop some from opening account after account. Even if it doesn't stop them from signing up for a few accounts, at some point, most of them will get tired of having to come up with different email addresses and signing up over and over.
However, just filling in a few letters as username and another few as password - especially if they can have the pleasure of downvoting our posts - will flood this place with leftards signing up for account after account every time they get deported.
The verifiable email address is not so much for the possibility of tracking anyone down, but just to make them go through more than just typing in any random letters in two text boxes to sign up for another account that they can use to harass us.
But if the possibility of being found out and doxxed when providing a verifiable email (as unlikely as it would be for this to happen legally without the user committing a crime), could deter the most ill-intentioned leftards from signing up for an account at td.win, I wouldn't be opposed to not including email providers such as proton mail in the list of acceptable email providers. I know sign up forms can reject email providers not specified as valid by the form creator because I have a couple of email addresses from legit but less popular email providers, and I've had them both rejected by several websites I tried to open accounts at, but didn't want to provide any email address I actually use.
It's unfortunate that we need to consider giving up full privacy and maybe the downvoting ability, but if we don't want to lose td.win because of those evil fascists, we need to protect ourselves as much as possible.
I think the the trade off is worth it.
Adding impediments is a standard practice and I do it myself. However it has diminishing returns where you increasingly make things as hard for the good guys as the bad lesbian paraplegic muslim transwomen of colour.
Providing a verifiable email address is not going to stop Trump supporters from signing up. It's not going to stop all leftists from signing up either, but it will likely discourage some of them, especially if they can't downvote and have to post in order to harass us, which will cause them to be deported and have to use another email address. At some point, most of them will get tired of having to come up with a different email addresses and signing up over and over.
However, just filling in a few letters as username and another few as password, -especially if they can have the pleasure of downvoting our posts - will flood this place with leftards signing up for account after account every time they get deported.
If you have to give email address then verify it, those extra steps will deter a lot of people from making accounts to brigade this place.
It s all fun and games until a 0day exposes them all. Works both ways though I guess.
I think downvote and deport is a left over habit from reddit where we did downvote so as to show that the community was not in favor of comments that broke rules. One of the things admins always point out is how many upvotes comments they had to delete got. So we just got in the habit of downvote+deport.
We’ll stated Pede
Thanks.
If leftists that sign up here won't be able to downvote, they can just as easily upvote non relevant stuff. I think the vast majority of people here do support Trump, and any downvotes will get drowned in the high energy upvoting.
Upvoting doesn't give them any pleasure, unless it's a comment bashing Trump or something really negative like that, but we won't be letting these kind of posts stay up for them to upvote.
They really enjoy downvoting everything we say and believe in, specially if it praises Trump.
I think it's less a question of pleasure for them, but rather an obsession. Why else come here to make a mess?
In any case, I understand your point of view, but respectfully disagree. Yes, my stance would seemingly mean more work for the mods, but the alternative would only turn it into a game of whack-a-mole with those desiring ill for the forum finding new ways to hurt the community. This will result in mods having to work even harder I think.
Deport them to Cuckistan!
Yeah I downvote “karma” grabs. Those just piss me off. If you want upvotes then state something real not just a simple title stating upvote here for patriots. Stuff like that.
I know the feeling. I don't usually downvote them, but I usually don't upvote purely karma-grabbing posts either.
I approach it with the mentality that you have to really earn my downvote.
I will never downvote someone just because I disagree, but if your comment is pure garbage, then congratulations you've won! (it's pretty rare)
Same. I choose not to downvote just because I disagree, but I will if trash is tending to the top.
Same here, especially after the quarantine and Reddit's vote suppression, I usually upvote everyone unless it's just that terrible or makes the rest of us look bad.
I only use downvotes for the worse things, about once a year.
People with the pathological, sociopath psychology use downvotes all the time. It's been shown in experiments. Give sociopaths any means to impose themselves and they'll resort to it. They're very much about pushing buttons and using whatever means they can to control others.
However I wouldn't have a knew jerk reaction. Among a normal population people will upvote much more than downvote.
Mods should do analytics first and try to find out more about how these people operate to disrupt. It is quite easy to identify big downvoters and then study their patterns.
I'm certain there are squads working for NGOs and various agencies doing this, not just partisan users. Some groups that brigade consist of leftist cripples on benefits sitting home all day in their wheelchairs doing the same work as a troll farm.
It's not enough to just block them, they'll find other means to disrupt. We need to find out more about who these actors are, who is paying them, who they are working for, etc.
It works similarly to how all that SEO stuff worked. We'd pay people $100 a month in India which is a full wage for some to post fake blogs and shit like that. Look for IP addresses from any countries with relatively low salaries in particular and try to pick up some people being paid.
But remember the IP address of the country doesn't mean it's where it's paid from. Most stuff is outsourced to places even like Russia just because it costs nothing to have someone working full time for you.
Some of these people are so nuts they’ll do it for free.
I think it was Pew Research that did a survey and found that leftists were more likely than independents or conservatives to complain (with the report button, etc.) about a comment or posting simply because they disagree.
This has disturbing consequences: it creates the leftist echo chamber on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Youtube, etc. because these companies cannot afford to review every single complaint. They instead "crowd source" the review process and impose an automated action if enough people complain, and only assign it to a human for review it if the target appeals.
The original intention of downvotes was to push down content that was not relevant to the post. However, it quickly became downvote to disagree. I personally don't ever downvote anyone I'm arguing with as long as they're a good faith participant in the discussion.
But so much of the irrelevant stuff is fun!
I will downvote and deport if I think I have spotted a troll.
I will downvote anti-Semitic material, 9/11 conspiracy theory crap, and a few other really irritatingly stupid things that come up from some of the folks in here that are REALLY far right.
Anti semitism and other racism is not far right, conspiracy theories are not limited to any part of the left/right or authoritarian or libertarian spectrum.
It's the Tick Tock Wake me up when someone is in handcuffs comments that get the DV from me. It shows a lack of confidence in the President and no room for the negative energy on this MAGA train.
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You get an upvote
We are almost exclusively right of center here. Very few of us who are moderate conservatives hold anti-Semitic views, or give much credence to most conspiracy theories.
That said, you are correct, the far right aren't the only ones engaging in anti-Semitism or believing in conspiracy theories. But they do have a near-monopoly on it on OUR side of the political fence.
Centrists, by definition, hold more moderate views about most things.
No need to disparage people who are further right than you. We need to all stick together. Conservative infighting just makes us weaker.
I downvote anything that denies the 9/11 conspiracy. Even the official narrative is that of a conspiracy. The phrase "conspiracy theory" is a thought-terminating cliche invoked to dismiss legitimate questions and end rational discourse.
Thank you. Sorry your parents let Biden molest you on camera.
I quit r/libertarian when some douche nozzle tried to make it like the onus was on my to back up my claim that communism sucks and freedom is good. It seemed like he was backed by most on the sub.
Will you vote for me in 2036?
Hitting the campaign trail early I see ?
Me too.
I downvote things that are false, like for example incorrect descriptions of left and right.
Downvotes enable the left to censor free speech. Change my mind.
Upvotes are what Reddit used as an excuse to start shutting us down at /r/The_Donald.
Remember?
How about putting something like (activity: 92%⬆︎/8%⬇︎) behind a user's name? That would point out their degree of negativity.
And rank top downvoters by name at:
https://thedonald.win/losers
Lmao this platform is going to be so dope
It's a totally the mods...
Now we're talking! How about a timed ban if the comment has been downvoted... like on Reddit? Ok that doesn't do anything for the downvoters.. But you could restrict downvotes to like 5 a day... i don't think any person needs more. Ok that would restrict us to downvote the trolls, but because we are so much we would just sink bad comments anyway.
I clicked this wanting a RR. Thanks for disappointing.
i cried
rename it low energy
Lulz
LOLz
tbh that would just encourage it
That's a good idea.
this isn't reddit do we really have a shill problem here already?
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the losers from r/politics set up bots to mass downvote. Despite there being no r/all here to reach. They're not very bright like that.
Strap this on your sore ass, Blain..
Yes. There was someone posting memes against Melania the other day.
Lots of libs got wind that this site exists, so they are doing everything they can to get the site taken down.
To include, but not limited to:
Racist comments.
Posting Illegal shit.
Concern trolling.
All so they can report this site to the server host company (GoDaddy) to get it removed.
yea but what if they never comment
They could upvote once and be at 100%
I like this.
Thanks for looking out for the wellbeing of the mods. This is a great way to unburden them from manually tracking down the obvious shills.
twin :O
Triplets (sorry, I"m in reverse)
I would prefer to see who the top down voters are, name em and shame em.
This! Make the user downvotes count by making it a part of the profile that all users here can see.
Why not make the downvote button a secret upvote button?
That would be hilarious on the first day!
I like this idea. Anything anti-Trump will probably be moderated away anyways.
this. Dissent or differing opinion is already bannable, why not make dissent just increase post visibility?
That's genius.
.. 'Also Hurray-Trump, But In Blue.'
The mods and developers of this site are so fucking clued up, you are correct unlike with Reddit they have access to everything which is super powerful. They also know very well we would be attacked and I am very confident they have mitigation strategies in place.
They don't need to ban accounts that only downvote, they can very easily only count votes from accounts that stay within certain metrics and ignore those that don't.
the mods are getting rid of downvotes, which gets rid of metrics that allow you to identify shills.
I'm not sure they have a plan
https://trello.com/b/xJN2iaAI/thedonaldwin
Topmindsofreddit is already brigading and downvoting hard
No reason to put a stop to it then. We just have keep an eye out and endure the storm while they do the PR for us.
Because they stickied a post with it here
Well just to let you know, I upvoted this!
Nah. They don't bother me. They show themselves eventually. And I don't think we should ban them when they do. I'm secure in how I feel. We know they are not. I enjoy debating someone who bases their arguments on feelings.
It's not about that. It's about making sure the good quality content is moved to the top, free from interference.
Well that can be done automatically. They could create a cron that deports all shills that score below the shill threshold (like upvotes/downvotes < 0.05, having at least 5 votes). Something basic like that then later they could consider other things like vote frequency; referrers...
Nah, we've had some great pedes join us from Australia and other parts of the world. Trump is a global phenomenon. Plus, there are plenty of deployed military all over the globe, joining us between ass-kicking sessions.
Lots of New Zealanders support Trump!
That would be a huge downer on non-US users.
MAGA is a worldwide movement. People in HK are waving trump 2020 flags. Let's not only allow US to post and vote.
disagree. i know its the case on reddit that you can expect majority of non-americans to be deranged leftists freak-shows, but the movement is world wide and we should welcome them.
the right is blowing away the left in UK polls
the right is predominant in eastern europe, think it always has been since the end of the ussr.
the right continues to defeat the left in brazil... south america in generally has historically been HARD left... but cursory research indicates thats been changing in recent years. any experts can correct me if im off-base.
probably more examples that show that retarded leftism isn't dominating the globe. fact is, the maga way is trending and will continue to trend and i welcome that shit here man
It is nice to see behind the curtain
Great idea! BTW, they should ban anyone who does more than 50% or so downvotes. If you ban accounts that only downvote, then bots will start upvoting 1% of the time, etc.
I agree, after 20 votes at least 11 should be up votes otherwise you're the problem
Make it a policy, if your downvote ratio exceeds X.. OR your upvote ratio is high on posts deemed to violate TOS.
That'd help get curb the people on Reddit openly advocating for posting shit to get the site shut down.
Sadly it isn't that simple as many IP addresses are shared by people at work, universities, households, military bases, etc. People shit on Reddit's fingerprinting of individual users, but it does allow them to uniquely identify users in a way that IP addresses fall short. I'm game for banning accounts and fingerprinted devices (if they want to play that game).
Or just remove the downvote all together. If something isn't getting upvotes it will naturally fall bellow content that is being upvoted.
The downvote button doesn't really serve a huge purpose. "Not upvoting" a post is as good as a downvote.
This.
Nah cuz then the trolls can make upvote bots and upvote low energy posts that are just ambiguous enough to avoid deportation
They can already do this now though, so I don't see it as a reason to keep the downvote.
Yeah it shouldn’t be that hard to look at the up/down vote ratio and deport people chronically downvoting. And those that are shills and chronically downvoted
Personally, I don't think down-voting is a sufficient criteria for banishment.
Why have downvotes at all? Just vote for what you like, ignore what you don’t, deport or report bad things
Like FB. I think I agree. We don't need to duplicate Reddit mechanics. Take what works and leave what doesn't behind.
I'm pretty sure if a comment is stupid it's ok to down vote. This shouldn't be an echo chamber
This is a tough question and is contingent on a precautionary measure.
I see the downvote ability as a potential fail safe against two things:
1.) Lukewarm Trump supporters 2.) Detrimental/insensitive content (fake accounts trying to post racial content)
Normal Trump supporters would usually down vote this content because it doesn't belong here. We don't want to be banning false positives.
If the admins can 100% ensure the above issues can be filtered or at least heavily mitigated, then I have no problem with banning an account with a record of consistent down voting.
I’d rather seem them flagged for review than banned automatically.
I downvote things that reflect poorly on the President or this community. I’m big on upvoting too, but I can imagine someone in good faith doing only the first.
Let a human take a look at what is being downvoted and make a decision from there.
I leave the banning to the mods. I am sure they will use common sense.
We have the best mods folks.
Agreed
That's actually a really good idea. At first I thought this was basically just what reddit does but on the right, but it's actually very different!
If all you do is downvote, you don't comment or engage with everyone else. You're adding nothing.
We're not banning people for saying 'no you're wrong here's why', we're banning people for the internet equivalent of shouting 'fuck you' and walking away.
Don’t like Reddit they said. Make your own Reddit they said. So we do and they still can’t leave us alone. Cuckoldry to the max.
Could have a popup say, after 10 downvotes in a row, to say "next downvote is your last for today" <-- for those of us who have an 'Angry-day' LMAO...
I only downvote if I really, really disagree, or they link to a really bad website that's known to inject crap on machines etc...
otherwise if it's meh, I leave it alone, make sense ?
I did a bunch of downvoting today in the thread with all of the duplicate/deleted comments. Just to clean up the thread so the dupes/deletes were down toward the bottom.
Best way is to weight their down votes, if you are at 90% down then your 'vote' is worth 10%
If the behavior continues then simply shadowban them and let them pretend to vote like the infiltrating cucks they are.
What an excellent idea. I like that.
I love this idea, but shadowban, and only if it's only extremely obvious that the person has a serious case of TDS.
Or is a bot
free speech yo. don't turn into the left once you have some powa. Let them alone... watch them just fizzle out.
I like the idea, but I feel like it could be abused. Needs to be fleshed out more.
By that logic shouldn't we ban all those that only upvote? Is this an echo chamber where we sit here and pat each other on the back for saying the same thing over and over again?
Just don’t allow users to downvote until they have say 500 karma.
Happy to be here! Good to know we have a back up plan in case Reddit tries to get rid of T_D permanently.
Why have a downvote at all? Anyone who will upvote will increase the count otherwise it will stay at "0."
Imagine a world where you have nothing better to do than get on these sites and downvote. What a sad and pathetic existence.
Free speech, my dude. It’s shitty of them to do but they should probably have the right to do it.
Don’t get bent out of shape over downvotes. Leave the emotional reactions to the left.
Also, ban all the spammers who fill this place with links to the same damned sites over and over. You know which ones I mean.
I think mods should eleminate down votes all together. If you want the thread to live hit the up vote button.
If the tread is nasty physco shit, notify the mods.
Down votes give leftwing shrills power and we all know what they do with power.
YES
I don't think this is wise.
With TD.win being public we can expect hordes of downvoters eventually to be sure, but we must also remember that we police ourselves.
It's likely there will be true pedes downvoting bad comments as well.
I think we should keep these things in line with how concern trolling is dealt with. Report and move on; the mods can investigate users with shady post/vote histories.
I vote we just do away with downvotes! You can go elsewhere to nay say. Let's see how many Pede's really love our President!
There would need to be a threshold, its possible someone new comes to the site and sees a few posts they dont agree with and kneejerks into their 'no wrongthink' leftist ways. But they should be given time to swallow the red pill before they are tossed out.
Haters and Losers should be thrown out into the cold without their coats. Give them the same treatment we've received on Reddit for the last 4 years.
Agreed. I think I downvoted about 3 silly things and upvoted about 50 awesome things.
All downvotes is clearly not welcome.