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Choomguy 408 points ago +409 / -1

That is gold.

Tcrlaf1 258 points ago +262 / -4

Sounds as if these ranchers have had dealings with Uncle Fed before…

Equality72521 39 points ago +77 / -38

That is not a Federal Agency. It reads Oregon Dept of Fish & Wildlife.

COLDWARPATRIOT55 140 points ago +145 / -5

Pretty much the same, and you know that.

SecedeNOW 77 points ago +78 / -1

Exactly. I swear people on this site and their hair-splitting.

GOPkilledTHEMSELVES 56 points ago +57 / -1

It’s actually follicle splitting.

Just_An_Idahoan 17 points ago +18 / -1

Skin cell splitting

HKgoneWild 24 points ago +25 / -1

It's atom splitting. Wait for the boom.

GOPkilledTHEMSELVES 14 points ago +17 / -3


Did I win?

mintyfresh 7 points ago +8 / -1

Either that, or their inability to read & comprehend even the post title.

Forget it if you post an article link. 🤣

iaintgottimetobleed 32 points ago +34 / -2

Federal law applies anyway. The feds are a cellphone message away.

NOTWOKE 2 points ago +2 / -0

Probably worse than the feds. Oregon

DaleGribbleWasRight 1 point ago +1 / -0

Very good 10th Amendment Foundation podcast basically explaining that almost all the federal government's enforcement is actually a state government entity and thus if we just stopped complying with the feds, they'd become ineffective. Ex: sanctuary cities, sanctuary states, marijuana legalization.

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golinveaux 21 points ago +22 / -1

No they ALL restrict our freedom with unequitable over regulation and are fine pirates on top of tax pirates.

Equality72521 -15 points ago +2 / -17

Bhah, Blah, Blah......... Go cry about it to your state Wildlife and Game department.

Senaleb 6 points ago +6 / -0

You go cry about it back at r/politics you dumb liberal.

DaleGribbleWasRight 1 point ago +1 / -0

Game wardens are just wanna be cops that do nothing to support hunting and conservation and everything to get their rocks off to North Woods Law

DefiantClone 16 points ago +17 / -1

I think his point was that they have applied for a hunting license before this having to deal with them. So they imposed the same type of rules.

Henry_Cuntmantle 21 points ago +21 / -0

Im pretty sure the point is they're AWARE the government is looking for a reason to ban them from using their own land. An endangered species inhabiting a space is such a reason

DefiantClone 8 points ago +8 / -0

Oh man in my day we used to pick up Gopher Turtles and play with them. Now you will lose your fucking house if they find one on your land lol

hulda0100 3 points ago +3 / -0

that's what I thought before I even read it. Why ELSE would such a survey be taken?

EvJohn 2 points ago +2 / -0


(and this might be the first time I ever yelled on the 'net. ever.)

Equality72521 5 points ago +7 / -2

I mean, the letter is funny as shit and any government agency can be a pain in the ass. I just think that these poor state shlubs who are all most likely hunters and fishermen are getting lumped in with the federal goon squad.

NotDangerousGame 5 points ago +5 / -0

Sounds as if these ranchers have had dealings with 'the government' before...

Ryanaissance 4 points ago +7 / -3

Isn't the head of OR Dept of Fish and Wildlife appointed federally?

Equality72521 1 point ago +2 / -1

The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife is established in Chapter 496 of the Oregon statutes.

Chapter 496, Section 080:

There is hereby established in the executive branch of the government of this state under the State Fish and Wildlife Commission a department to be known as the State Department of Fish and Wildlife. The department shall consist of the director of the department and all personnel employed in the department.[2]

The director is appointed by the seven-member Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commission to a term not to exceed four years.[2]

Equality72521 0 points ago +3 / -3

No, it's a state job.

gawd-emperor 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well this is Oregon Dept but if they had dealings with Uncle Fed they would have been prepared the same. One doesn't preclude the other.

Perhelion 54 points ago +55 / -1

How to Troll Bureaucrats 101

DaleGribbleWasRight 2 points ago +2 / -0

They probably established a committe to launch an investigation into bid proposals to fund compliance blah blah fuck the govt

ColonelKlink 2 points ago +2 / -0

Indeed it is.

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sordfysh 67 points ago +72 / -5

They shouldn't have included a fake educational course because that is hard to set up. They could have really created all of this stuff really easily and potentially charged the government.

FYI, putting up any monetary barrier makes their processes much more difficult for them. They don't understand how money works, so it causes them major issues when they have to pay to "work".

And they may need to pay the fines if you can justify it. Your fines and fees will obviously pay for your new wildlife preservation efforts and historical preservation efforts (cleaning up from their presence).

Flat out denying entry will force them to get a warrant, which is easy for them. Making them pay a "reasonable amount" to be on premise will cause them serious consternation because they will need to get approvals for even $100. And a judge may be less willing to grant a warrant if you are already allowing them access.

schiff_for_brains 60 points ago +61 / -1

What evidence do they have that the frogs are committing criminal activity, that would justify a judge issuing a warrant?

sordfysh 7 points ago +10 / -3

Criminal activity by the letter authors of endangering endangered wildlife.

Funny joke nonetheless. It's been a 🤡🌎 for a long time, and the judges are just playing by the rules of the circus. But if you can pull at a thread of morality in a potentially sane judge, you may have a shot.

schiff_for_brains 4 points ago +4 / -0

Certainly the fee for "endanged species" stamps would be more than the "invasive species" stamp, right?

Joe_Snow 5 points ago +7 / -2

All they need is probable cause for a warrant. Not to be confused with "probably cuz...."

They're probably making sure the frogs are turning ghey

pushbackv2 3 points ago +3 / -0

They're trying to turn the frogs gay.

COLDWARPATRIOT55 16 points ago +17 / -1

But if they have more than 100 employees they will have to mandate vaccines for all who enter and all who work there. But those vaccines are not issued free. There is a cost per individual of $500 for testing, blood draw and multiple N95 masks plus a mask monitor to accompany them to be sure they do not remove said masks and infect any of the wildlife. They will be rectally tested, in public, twice daily in order to protect all surrounding properties and personnel.

sordfysh 7 points ago +8 / -1

Remove the rectal part and you have a borderline reasonable expense to force upon the department.

You could require approved vaccines, which would require the department officials to get reinjected with the comirnaty vaccine or fight it in court.

OTOH, imposing too many different restrictions may convince the officials to go in without permission, and ask for forgiveness later. And shooting a public worker usually denies you the castle doctrine defense. So this would be a case where you would need to commit more than one additional felony if you wanted to get away with the first felony. Not recommended unless your neighbors are ride-or-die folks.

B1ueCo11ar 3 points ago +4 / -1

Fuck that require only NON vaxed employees enter your property.

sordfysh 3 points ago +3 / -0

I mean, I would agree with that, but it's about making them play by their own rules. Making them play by their own rules is easier to argue in court because you can let them make your argument for you.

_soundwave_ 6 points ago +6 / -0

Actually it’s brilliant. The course could be “onsite” “in person” and only available on occasion.

RealRedneck 6 points ago +7 / -1

The educational course is what gets me. To get a hunting license in my state you have to take an online course along with an in-person course. Of course, due to the commie cough they only have a couple per month with limited seating.

gorillachannel 5 points ago +5 / -0

I would be willing to do an impromptu class on how to handle frog attacks. I would do this free of charge.

AllYouHaveIsYourself 15 points ago +16 / -1

The real hero

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Bearing51 40 points ago +41 / -1

The annoying thing is that the ODFW only took this in jest and didn't use this to realize how ridiculous their rules and fees are.

PraiseBeToScience 7 points ago +9 / -2

They know how 'ridiculous' they are. They also know people will still pay them and it's part of the larger scheme to generally make hunting/fishing more "exclusive" to discourage it.

It's like complaining that going to national parks is so expensive. That's the point. Too many fuckers want to go to National Parks, so they're trashed and overcrowded. So they raise the rates to discourage it. People will still pay and show up, so it serves the end goal just fine.

FaradayCage 4 points ago +4 / -0

The Gov, of any kind don't really have a sense of humor. They especially don't like when you stand up to their authority. It was spooky to me to find (I think) their algorithms must have been triggered when I posted a video about the jab that got 30 views 10 seconds after it was uploaded. https://www.bitchute.com/video/bNA05IzkPwBl/ (DON'T WANT THE JAB? IS THIS WHERE IT LEADS?)

MasksAreChildAbuse 37 points ago +38 / -1

Am I the only one annoyed by the departments response?

“Oh it was so funny, lol, it’s all in good fun! We appreciated it! Anyways back to bullshit!”

This is like a rapist raping someone and as they rape, the victim mocks them, and the rapist stops laughs, then continues raping.

Their response should have been “holy shit what have we done, we will remove all bullshit immediately” but nope. Just laugh, and continuing be faggots.

bringbackthe80s 19 points ago +20 / -1

They should reply with, "It's not a joke."

Massive_Reaction 3 points ago +4 / -1

Haha it’s funny that this is what we do to people all the time, but it’s a necessary part of the work we do.2

HockeyMom4Trump 2 points ago +3 / -1


Texar1991 1 point ago +2 / -1

Thanks for the link!!

c89631147e 109 points ago +110 / -1

Insurance requirement. They forgot a $2 million insurance requirement. 😂

theendisbeer 16 points ago +17 / -1

...and workers comp and pre / post environmental impact surveys.

residue69 10 points ago +11 / -1

And environmental restoration. Can't have the surveyors leaving footprints or tire tracks in the habitat.

MastersOfGayology 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ooh, the environmental impact surveys are good. That stymies a lot of road and driveway work.

Annpi 3 points ago +4 / -1

Ya, I definitely wouldn't want to be liable for some idiot govt employees on my land

BoerboelMummy 97 points ago +98 / -1

The only flaw in their plan is that they wrote a letter stuffed to the gills with bureaucracy speak to bureaucrats. There's probably someone in that department, reading that letter right now, nodding and thinking to themselves "yep, this sounds reasonable, we can work with that..."

AllYouHaveIsYourself 35 points ago +36 / -1

Fucking braindead bureaucratic robots

KekistanPM 29 points ago +30 / -1

The ranchers would respond by saying there are currently no available slots and to try back later...indefinitely.

LibertyPrimeWasRight 20 points ago +21 / -1

Not bureaucratic enough. Say instead that draws have already completed for this fiscal double-quarter, but that they can put down a full-cost deposit to be entered into future draws at the discretion of the ranch pursuant to a repeated confirmation of interest by the state.

HuggableBear 8 points ago +8 / -0

The ranchers would simply take their money and tell them that they didn't get their tags drawn this year, like happens to thousands of hunters in every state every year.

Dragonmoon333 2 points ago +3 / -1

As a Beaucratic asshole, yes its legible and understandable. Still fucking stupid but I could easily make out the total and timeline needed to get this completed and which department,needs to be notifed to get the purchase approvals, training request approvals, internal documentation.... The whole shebang

Its still fucking retarded

vote_for_MAGA_2020 42 points ago +43 / -1

I wonder if the govt agents will get the irony…

crazyjackel 32 points ago +33 / -1

If you read the article someone posted. The people who read it found it hilarious. Low-Level grunts and all.

JudicialDredd 4 points ago +5 / -1

If they don't they will get the Leady...

Junosu 42 points ago +43 / -1

Now that's a classy F.U.!

man_of_mountain 41 points ago +42 / -1

Needs more jpeg, I can still tell that there are words.

ViduusMAGA 3 points ago +4 / -1

Big beautiful jpeg

somedickinohio 32 points ago +33 / -1

Their fees are too low.

bringbackthe80s 12 points ago +13 / -1

I like how they gradually built higher and higher throughout the letter though.

MocksFordComma 7 points ago +8 / -1

The closer you get to an actual frog, the higher the fees.

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winsome 30 points ago +31 / -1

Thank you for your inquiry regarding our property to survey for the yellow-legged frog. We may be able to help you out in this matter.

We have divided our 2.26 acres into 75 equal survey units with a draw tag for each unit. Application fees are only $8.00 per unit after you purchase the "Frog Survey License" ($120.00 resident/$180 Non-resident). You will need to obtain a "Frog Habitat" parking permit ($10.00 per vehicle). You will also need an "Invasive Species" stamp for the vehicle ($15.00 for the first vehicle and $5.00 each add'l vehicle). You will want to also register at the check station to have your vehicle inspected for non-native plant life prior to entering our property. There is also a Day Use fee ($5.00 per vehicle).

If you are successful in the Draw you will be notified two weeks in advance so you can make necessary plans and purchase your "Creek Habitat" stamp. ($18.00 Resident / $140.00 Non-Resident). Survey units open between 8am and 3pm but you cannot commence survey until 9am and must cease all survey activity by 1pm.

Survey Gear can only include a net with a 2'' diameter made of 100% organic cotton netting with no longer than an 18'' handle, non-weighted and no deeper than 6' from net frame to bottom of net. Handles can only be made of BPA-free plastics or wooden handles. After 1pm you can use a net with a 3'' diameter if you purchase the "Frog Net Endorsement" ($75.00 Resident / $250 Non-Resident). Any frogs captured that are released will need to be released with an approved release device back into the environment unharmed.

As of June 1, we are offering draw tags for our "Premium Survey" units and application is again only $8.00 per application. However, all fees can be waives if you can verify "Native Indian Tribal rights and status.

You will also need to provide evidence of successful completion of "Frog Surveys and You" comprehensive course on frog identification, safe handling practices, and self-defense strategies for frog attacks. This course is offered online through an accredited program for a nominal fee of $750.00.

Please let us know if we can be of assistance to you. Otherwise, we decline access to our property but appreciate your inquiry.


Larry & Amanda Anderson

Jaqen 3 points ago +4 / -1

Get this hero to the top!

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RiverFenix 42 points ago +43 / -1

when they show up tell them it's closed due to Covid.

fees non-refundable

edxzxz 16 points ago +17 / -1

Every developer understands that the first step before closing on a property purchase is to send out a survey team to 'inspect' the property - meaning, chase whatever the fuck can cause you problems off the property and eliminate any tell tale signs it was ever there. I had a deal go south because the buyer neglected to account for wetlands issues, and the DEP found plant life indicative of the presence of wetlands habitats, so even though it was not wetlands, those plants being there meant it got wet enough once in a while that DEP regs banned development.

PraiseBeToScience 9 points ago +11 / -2

If they actually cared about saving endangered species and preserving fragile ecosystems, they would pay people for having those on their land, like having a cell tower on your property. Shit people would actually want them and probably work to preserve them. I knew a guy back in Illinois who had a cell tower on his property and it basically paid for his mortgage. He just had to tolerate a road on the edge of property for the crews to come out every now and then to fuck around with it.

Now imagine that except you don't have an unsightly tower and there's way less utility truck/crane/work, just a dude rolling out in an SUV every now and then to go count lizards.

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dugobi 4 points ago +5 / -1

A county and town were so desperate for development that I was given two points and an elevation by the state engineers. They turned their backs and I was allowed to do all rough and final surveys. No civil lands inspections. The bureaus committed crimes against themselves for money.

BaltimoreCrew 25 points ago +26 / -1

Next year we will be reading a story about the fed taking their land to protect the same endangered species habitat.

z89101 17 points ago +18 / -1

Totally appropriate reply. 🤠👍

Bloodfury 13 points ago +14 / -1

This couple need to figure out which local developer wants their land. This is a typical tactic developers utilize to land grab at a discount. They go speak to their politician friend and offer him a percentage of the cut once the land is developed as long as the politician helps him grab the land.


Some politician wants to develop a new bureaucracy and this is the way it begins. This is he they killed people having their own water right on their property in south Texas. All because of a mixup between a water bug and some eyeless salamander. One came from on water source, the other from another (two separate river springs drawing off the same water source). They ran the story about how they were studying the habitat for over 20 years. Once there was some push back due to having to go into water restrictions every year. It was determined that the bug or lizard was of no consequence and now we go into water restrictions to conserve for the community. Yet sea world gets to pump all the water they want without having to pay for it. If you own land where you have to sink a well, you are no longer allowed to do it on your own but must use approved contractors which are going to hose you for upwards of $15-24K then you have to have the county out a meter on it and they can shut it off by remote any time they want. Anyone who had a well already are still fighting to retain their grandfathered status.

ThurstonHowell3rd 12 points ago +13 / -1

Needs to add a line about successful completion of mandatory CAT training (Critical Amphibian Theory), and that no persons vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine will be allowed on his property.

xBigCoffinHunter 12 points ago +13 / -1

You get the sense they’ve been through the bureaucracy a time or two.

BostonVoter 10 points ago +11 / -1

This is fucking Epic

Erkme73 9 points ago +10 / -1

Tax audit incoming...

CrackerJack2 9 points ago +10 / -1

"The survey team must wash their boots and equipment in the approved "PEPE THE FROG" biological cleaner, which can be purchased for $20 a gallon, so as not to track in and contaminate said Creek in question".

Truglow 7 points ago +8 / -1

This is the main reason I stoped hunting after almost 40 years. I own property in another state and property owners were exempt from licensing. So year after year a new tag or permit or tax stamp was added. When I was told I needed an non resident license because I didn’t reside on my own property that was it. Now there hardly and new people to enter the sport because of government geed. This letter made my week!

PraiseBeToScience -6 points ago +2 / -8

Now there hardly and new people to enter the sport because of government geed

Uh... yeah? That's actually kind of the point.

The bottom line is that the regulations are to preserve stocks of wildlife. They aren't going out and artificially rebuilding the stocks of deer so year-to-year the deer population should be about the same.

You can't have "new" people enter the sport and still have the seasoned hunters hunting, because it's a careful balance and effectively if you figure out the balance, it probably won't change much. We can expect x number of deer to reach maturity if we allow y tags to be issued.

It's the exact same thing when it comes to National Parks. The point of the National Park isn't to be a Disneyland for you, it's to preserve the wilderness first. So because there's tons more people wanting to go to National Parks, more people means more crowding, more trash, more damage, more noise. So they raise the rates to cut down on the number of people attending.

Every time I hear someone complaining about Fish and Wildlife, I swear...

Grief 7 points ago +7 / -0

"Can we please look for an endangered frog on your property and then subsequently force you off your own land for the frog's own good?"

You'd have to be INSANE to let them on your property.

january20 7 points ago +8 / -1

"self defense strategies for frog attacks", great way to end this. Thanks for sharing.

MehNahMehNah 1 point ago +2 / -1

angry Pepe intensifies

runonce 6 points ago +7 / -1

Sounds like Larry has hunted out of state before. Non-Resident Big Horn Sheep permit in Oregon is $1513.50, Hunting License is 172.00

TRiUMPh 6 points ago +7 / -1

My reply would’ve simply been, “FUCK. YOU.”

HiddenDekuScrub 13 points ago +14 / -1

Wouldn't have been as funny.

TRiUMPh 5 points ago +7 / -2

Would've saved a lot more time and been way more effective.

NoSoMo_ThanU 6 points ago +6 / -0

Don't EVER allow any researcher or scientist access to your land unless you want it to be deemed useless to you.

Slothboy 6 points ago +7 / -1

Can you post a copy that is lower quality? I can almost read this one.

TDAF 4 points ago +5 / -1

Higher resolution fee: ($45 fren / $1776 non-fren)

Slothboy 2 points ago +2 / -0

shakes fist

AmericanJawa 4 points ago +6 / -2

Need a better scan, this one is super fuzzy.

rwhankla 4 points ago +4 / -0

They’re definitely going to find a rare Pepe on that property

Zippythekid 3 points ago +3 / -0

That is good

Boudicca2 3 points ago +3 / -0


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NotAnotherNPC 3 points ago +3 / -0

Oldie but good

bubadmt 3 points ago +3 / -0

The new NFA (National Frog Act).

reformedhippie 3 points ago +4 / -1

Savage. Much respect for keeping pepe the yellow-legged frog safe.

pnwpatriot97 3 points ago +4 / -1

Fucking BASED.

Annpi 3 points ago +4 / -1

Larry and Amanda are my kind of people!

ObjectiveReality 3 points ago +3 / -0

Those fees are waaay too low

2008RonPaul2012 3 points ago +3 / -0

Should have said absolutely, but due to covid restrictions we are closed.

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Bubbahax 3 points ago +3 / -0

There's an old saying, never argue with journalists because they buy ink by the gallon. I'm thinking it's not wise to get into a red tape contest with the government.

Moebius 3 points ago +3 / -0

Top KEK!!!!

308win 3 points ago +3 / -0

This dude hunts

jimmityjimjimjim 3 points ago +4 / -1

I just wish it was easier to read, super fuzzy

Jprince32 3 points ago +4 / -1

Awesome. Use there bullshit against them

FuckCommies 3 points ago +3 / -0

DNR/Fish & Game fucks us at every turn as sportsmen. This was the most satisfying thing I have read in a while.

Part of me hopes that this "research" is already earmarked so they have to pay.

bgovern 3 points ago +3 / -0

Need moar jpg.

Lovestein20 3 points ago +4 / -1

garbage fucking quality my guy, gonna break my eyes trying to decipher this shit

GlacialSpeed 3 points ago +3 / -0


I just spit out my tea when I read the first few sentences seeing where it was going.

Well done

keepamericagreat102 3 points ago +3 / -0

Forgot a background check and a 2 week cooling off period in case they want to assault frogs.

Magamom 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hahahahaha i love it

CigarTsar 2 points ago +2 / -0

Too blurry cant read it