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OnlyTrump20 127 points ago +128 / -1

Obesity is the biggest drain on our limited health care resources. They drive up the insurance costs for the rest of us and reduce the level of quality in care as doctors have less time to spend with each patient.

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Choomguy 53 points ago +53 / -0

And on top of that, if you wanna talk about muh man made global warming, lets talk about how much fat people contribute vs healthy people.

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newuser999 11 points ago +11 / -0

Think about all the methane obese people put into the air with their Soy diet farts

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Deplorable002 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fatty here: the gassiest I’ve ever been in my life. Was when I was a vegetarian! ( that ate meat on cheat days ) A Part Time Vegetarian! I remember thinking all those hot little plant killing chicks were clearing out rooms behind closed doors. As in every 20 minutes or so!

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soapyballotjurybox 1 point ago +1 / -0

The dankest

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JS_Mill 4 points ago +4 / -0

Medical persecution arms race incoming (if the vaccine mandate isn't struck down)

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GenesisFiveTwo 26 points ago +27 / -1

That’s the idea. The sugar industry is promoted by the USDA to pad the pockets of the FDA. In Marion Nestle’s book Food Politics she stated that during bill clintons presidency the president of the sugar lobbying organization had the telephone number to Bill Clinton’s desk at the White House.

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Slugbert 1 point ago +4 / -3

Sugar isn’t really the enemy. We metabolize sugar pretty good. It’s HFCS that’s fucking everybody up because it’s now in everything. Obesity went way up when they substituted sugar w/ HFCS.

Edit: For clarification, I’m not advocating high sugar intake. You should do your best to cut both sugar and HFCS out of your diet.

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PocketSizeSun 4 points ago +4 / -0

At 50/50 HFCS you would be correct. However HFCS is 55% to 70% fructose.

Fructose Consumption, Lipogenesis, and Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28878197/

Watch some youtube videos of talks by Robert Lustig, MD where he explains how massively sugar and fructose impact your metabolic systems, cause weight gain, and destroy your liver.

Fructose 2.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFyF9px20Y

And a shorter (more recent?) talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDJsxw0uMLM

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Slugbert 2 points ago +2 / -0

Interesting. I’ll check those out. Thanks for posting those.

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GilaMonsterous 3 points ago +3 / -0

High fructose corn syrup?

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Slugbert 2 points ago +2 / -0

Correct

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hzuiel 3 points ago +4 / -1

That is nonsense, table sugar is sucrose, sucrose is fructose and glucose bonded together with a weak bond that instantly gets split in the stomach. HFCS is fructose and glucose in a solution, of differing ratios, 50/50 would be identical to sucrose. There is no scientific evidence that excessive sugar is healthy for you but HFCS is not. Excess sugar intake from any form is excess calories that get stored as fat and contribute to obesity, cellular stress, and insulin resistance. Any concentrated sugar source should be consumed in moderation.

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Slugbert 3 points ago +3 / -0

Please go back and read my post again. I never said excessive sugar consumption was healthy, only that the obesity epidemic started when manufacturers swapped out sugar for HFCS, which would lead one to believe 1) HFCS is metabolized differently. 2) Increase in consumption of HFCS because it’s in everything (like I mentioned). 3) Both.

They’ve done studies on this:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15051594/

Also look at obesity trends over time. Note that there’s a large uptick around 1980 when HFCS began being introduced into everything because sugar was getting too expensive and corn was cheap due to government subsidies at the time. I doubt people just started eating/drinking more.

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PocketSizeSun 1 point ago +1 / -0

I will just repeat here:

At 50/50 HFCS you would be correct. However HFCS is 55% to 70% fructose.

Fructose Consumption, Lipogenesis, and Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28878197/

Watch some youtube videos of talks by Robert Lustig, MD where he explains how massively sugar and fructose impact your metabolic systems, cause weight gain, and destroy your liver.

Fructose 2.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFyF9px20Y

And a shorter (more recent?) talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDJsxw0uMLM

The bottom line is that fructose is not very well handled in large quantities and the high prevalence of HFCS in fizzy drinks is something to be aware of and probably avoided.

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ScullyMully 1 point ago +3 / -2

End-of-life hospital care for dying elderly people is, actually. The most expensive weeks are the last weeks.

Fat people die younger, so they are less of a drain on the medical system than very, very old people hooked up to machines and monitored around the clock.

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roflcopt0rz_returns 3 points ago +3 / -0

So THAT’S why Andy Cuomo got his Emmy!!!!!

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Cacciali_Via 1 point ago +2 / -1

After seeing some elderly relatives and what their end of life care cost, it made me think the same also.

Fat people die earlier and probably dont go to the doctor as much. The government paying for 90 year olds getting joint replacements seem wild to me.

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ScullyMully 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fat people also pay more into Social Security, etc, and die younger, so they are more likely to be net contributors, as they won't be on benefits for decades

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MagaAndCats 1 point ago +1 / -0

That is true. From a quick search it look like obesity contributes to about 20% of health care spending. Still nothing to sniff at.

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hzuiel 2 points ago +2 / -0

The difference being that it's 20% that doesn't have to be there, it's optional. Getting old and dying isn't optional, everyone who doesn't kill themselves younger through some means, is going to degrade and die. Cancer is expensive to treat and the older you get the more likely you are to get cancer. I don't see any way mathematically that you could work out obesity being cheaper than that same population living longer and being more elderly. Due to western medicine obese people still live long lives and suffer many of the same end of life illnesses as healthier people. So you have increased healthcare costs all throughout life, and then still have to contend with things like diabetes, renal failure, dialysis, cancer, and assisted living care of some kind.

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PocketSizeSun 0 points ago +1 / -1

This is only true if 'fat people die younger' outside of the hospital.

End of life care is damned expense but it is absolutely not only expensive of old people.

Beside that keeping a 50 y.o. fatty alive after their n'th heart attack is just as expensive.