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NancysMinge 16 points ago +16 / -0

We’re not educated enough to understand the data. Trust the experts

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KickingPugilist 7 points ago +7 / -0

We have to distribute the vaccines to know what's in them.

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erocks 4 points ago +4 / -0

this is true. baaaaaa to you too fellow sheeps!

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sumnayin 11 points ago +11 / -0

It is illegal to read this data...let CNN tell you what is important

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HealthyPerfectionist 4 points ago +5 / -1

This is a very strange graph. It's not clear to me how they calculated rates per 100000 and they don't show what you said in the title. I don't know how the vaccination status percentages are relevant to that either, they only obfuscate the analysis. At first I thought it's the percentages of deaths in their groups, because your descriptions are so vague.

The important thing is what you said in the title, and that's the one thing that you didn't show in the graph, which is the ratio of death ratios between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, which is, for example, in the last week, between the double vaccinated and the unvaccinated: (5881/23000000)/(401/9500000) = 6, which is actually staggering.

Thank you for providing the statistics, but present it properly next time.

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narvster [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

The graph shows the rate of deaths for unvaxx, 1st shot within 3 weeks 1st shot over 3 weeks and 2nd shot.

It also tracks the rate of vax so you can see how the population shifts along with the death rates.

Edit: the rates are based on Standardised Mortality rates, crude deaths are much higher still.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardized_mortality_ratio

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HealthyPerfectionist 1 point ago +2 / -1

Dude, I already know what is supposedly drawn on the graph, it just doesn't show what you said in the title, and it's unclear how the values have even been obtained, AND none of them are even relevant, like I explained with an example.

Just out of curiosity, could you show me one example calculation of the ratio?

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narvster [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ask the government, it's their ratio, they explain it all here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/latest

Notice they only show in their graph ASMR for covid deaths, not non-covid ones.

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HealthyPerfectionist 2 points ago +3 / -1

OK, then I'm not interested, they don't explain, they convolute.

If we can't easily confirm and interpret the calculations, then I don't see a reason why to even put those ratios in the graph.

Do a graph with the ratios of death ratios calculated from the raw numbers, like I explained. For clarity, I would only consider the fully vaccinated and completely unvaccinated and add only the percentages of full vaccination and of some vaccination. Anything more than that is obfuscation. I'm going to make it if you don't. ;)

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greatfeatures4u 3 points ago +3 / -0

I guess cancer from the vaccine is not counted.

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narvster [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Have to give that time wait a few years...

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Kamalas_a_Bitch 2 points ago +2 / -0

What does 1st >21 days mean? That is the black line which is way high. 2nd shot is the green line which is lowers than unvaxxed. Is this showing that people that had their 1st shot more than 21 days ago are dying the most, while those who had 2nd shot are dying the least. That makes no senses I must be reading it wrong.

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narvster [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

1st shot, more than 3 weeks after taking it, but without 2nd shot which is around 6-8 weeks.

This shows that a lot of people are dying before they have a chance to get the 2nd shot, but over 3 weeks from getting the shot, so you don't die quickly, but after some time.

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KyrosQF 1 point ago +1 / -0

ASMR eh? If covid graphs could make noises, they'd probably be honkler noises.

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narvster [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I thought that at first, but it's a measure used to show deaths rates account for that old folks die more than younger, I would imagine the crude death rates are actually much higher, but they don't present that data directly and I could calculate it, but that could show I'm modifying figures which I've tried not to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardized_mortality_ratio

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BeijingJoeHastoGo 1 point ago +1 / -0

That’s how you know it’s working!