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GenericInsult 1022 points ago +1023 / -1

Red Flag laws, no matter how well intentioned, will get abused horribly.

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Mamapedia 289 points ago +344 / -55

I can kind of see where, on some level, red flag laws make sense - no one wants a bona fide lunatic roaming freely with a gun intent on doing harm. BUT, how utterly naive or willfully ignorant does one have to be to trust the government with that power? Hasn't the Covid era taught them any lessons? Those laws will be abused, for political purposes, you can count on it. Stay far away from the slippery slope. Bottom line : shall not be infringed must hold, regardless of potential costs to individuals.

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Chickenbaconpoutine 373 points ago +373 / -0

Those laws will be abused, for political purposes

Lefty neighbor doesn't like your Trump and American flags flying outside, calls the cops, claimed you threatened him while waving your gun around.

Cops show up, don't want to risk you might actually be a lunatic intent on shooting people, seize your guns, good luck ever getting them back.

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Mamapedia 201 points ago +201 / -0

Probably called him the n word, too. Hate crime with a weapon - extra special detention.

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NotAPuma 125 points ago +126 / -1

Hate Crimes are literally Fake. As well as International Law.

I do not Recognize the UN or Congress as legitimate bodies.

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IamM 49 points ago +49 / -0

See, part of me wishes chapelle was still doing his show. Having his version of "racial court" could be pretty hilarious. "Sir, may I ask, how many times did you call this guy a nigga in the hour it took to rob the bank?" "Three!" "And according to hate crime law, how many is the minimum required for it to be considered 'hate crime'?" "Five!" "Exactly. As you can see judge, this guy isn't committing a hate crime, at best he is a slight racist!"

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doug2 8 points ago +9 / -1

Or Congress LOL

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OneBigMaga 3 points ago +3 / -0

All crimes are hate crimes. You don't rob, beat up or shoot people you like... Well, at least not on purpose.

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WhitePowerRanger 4 points ago +4 / -0

That’s why I only commit crimes of passion

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Sildaran 29 points ago +32 / -3

Best part it would probably be a black conservative who got called a coon and uncle tom by that white liberal neighbor. Then they called the cops and complained a black face of the neo nazi white supremacist party called them the n word. Include soy tears and endless REEEEE until they temper tantrum there way to getting their way.

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Mamapedia 15 points ago +16 / -1

Plausible, for sure.

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Julius_Severus 1 point ago +2 / -1

Lol no it’s not

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Sildaran 1 point ago +1 / -0

How so? Liberals have never called a black conservative a white supremacist, or a Jewish a nazi? Liberals have never shown proclivity to be racist? Liberals don't lie? Cops can't be crooked? Justice can't be biased?

Exactly which part of the hypothetical i made would be impossible. BTW this is not a liberal echo chamber. Got to actually support your bullshit.

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Mynamesprivate 10 points ago +10 / -0

Wasnt it a black dude with a Trump flag outside brandishing a shotgun, inside his house, to warn the protest party off, who got arrested? And then that protest party clapped?

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OG_MAGA4LIFE 14 points ago +14 / -0

Add to that you weren't wearing your mask and are definitely unvaxxed.

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Comntrinchief 5 points ago +5 / -0

A terrorist!!!

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IamDevo 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Hes trying to kill my grandma!"

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TalionAD 8 points ago +8 / -0

Double secret probation, pede.

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Mamapedia 8 points ago +8 / -0

Wait til they find out I shave my armpits.

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TruthSmash 14 points ago +15 / -1

Wait till, under the criteria of Red Flag Law, NO TRANS PERSON WILL EVER BE ALLOWED TO OWN A GUN. Hmmm... makes one think stuff and things.

Btw, the Johns Hopkins Study is SHIT. Done by the same people who are now LYING and trying to KILL and MASS MURDER Innocent people. But at least it isn't with a gun. <eyeroll>

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doug2 6 points ago +6 / -0

Trans people prolly shouldn't have guns tbf

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MemeVendor 2 points ago +2 / -0

Johns Hopkins took a large amount of money from Bloomberg and now run gun studies that always back up their benefactors preexisting position on the matter.

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I_Used_to_be_me 41 points ago +42 / -1

Or spousal fights, for instance. Female word always against male word. For example: my friends marriage is falling apart right now, and they got in a normal (non violent/not physical) fight last week. Just a normal fight, but the wife called the cops and my friend got arrested for literally doing nothing wrong (he’s peaceful as they come). Had he had a firearm, guess what? He doesn’t have one, nor is he allowed to get another now. This would happen constantly

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BoomShtick 18 points ago +18 / -0

Had a similar situation happen to me with a bat shit crazy ex. Her exact words were, “how would you like me call the cops and have them take away all your toys? Don’t worry, I’ll hold down the fort until you get released.” Had to de-escalate by bitching out that day, only to have all her shit on the sidewalk and the locks changed after she left. Moved my firearms offsite, only keeping a shotty on premise in case she actually attempted to flag me. Fuck red flag laws and don’t stick your dick in bat shit crazy.

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Jkend0740 15 points ago +15 / -0

Raising your voice is considered simple assault in most states. It’s seen as intimidation and the cop can determine if it’s reasonable for the woman to be afraid. The problem is cops rarely see woman as a threat to men so it’s only charged against the man.

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I_Used_to_be_me 18 points ago +18 / -0

I don’t even care about the double standard much - It’s absurd that raising your voice at all could get you arrested. That means every couple in the country is apparently committing an arrestable offense on a regular basis

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Jkend0740 5 points ago +5 / -0

Ya it’s messed up. The judge almost always drops all charges and sentences the man to time served if he spent the night in jail. Assuming that’s the first incident

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doug2 5 points ago +5 / -0

Uh this one I'm somewhat mixed on. The issue is them arresting the husband on fucking hearsay instead of giving him due process. If someone is literally beating his wife you could convince me it's a good idea to remove weapons from him.

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I_Used_to_be_me 8 points ago +8 / -0

Sure, but that’s very different than getting arrested because a couple had the same fight they’ve had weekly for years and years - the same kind of fight every couple has - but now the wife decides she’s pissed and wants her husband punished

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BaldyGull 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not me. If he is not in jail, or otherwise being punished by the court, he is a citizen whose right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Could a judge sentence to disarmament? Not sure if that is a thing, but I would be in favor of that as long as it comes after due process.

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The_Bugout_Bag 26 points ago +26 / -0

Only a faggitt would hand over their guns, especially for that reasoning. I know this as the adrenaline that flowed through me when they said "were here to take your guns" as these fucktards came after i was dissmissed of BS. I was not polite. Showed em my fuck off papers and told em to fuck off. I never had an overwhelming issue with police til this year. They can all choke on dicks for all i care now.

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Rope_Tree_Journalist 15 points ago +15 / -0

Fuck the police.

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Joe_Snow 4 points ago +4 / -0

Fuck the police.

This is an accurate assessment. Carry on.

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13FOX 7 points ago +7 / -0

cache some boom booms brothe.....gonna get fucking real

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Joe_Snow 5 points ago +5 / -0

I used to be afraid of 4473s, so i've made every gun i've ever owned, until i wanted a 12 gauge. Picked up an 870 clone a couple weeks ago. Now i'm just like "fuck it - let em come for my guns..."

I'm buying a .308 lower in the next few days. I already ordered all the rest of the parts, and just don't feel like setting up my mill to finish my 80% lower. I hear "deer" season opens up soon.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 14 points ago +14 / -0

Maaaan... one would think that someone's house would suddenly (and completely accidentally!) catch fire within a week of such an incident.

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Serulin 10 points ago +10 / -0

Spend thousands and years defending yourself off of a false flag while being prevented from owning a gun due to possible red flag pending investigation.

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OperationCatSpeed 60 points ago +61 / -1

Nope. I’m perfectly fine with lunatics owning weapons. It expedites the natural selection process.

And considering the number of psychologists and psychiatrists trying to point drumpf as dangerous, you can guranfuckingtee these people are not our friends.

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DaninElkhart 58 points ago +58 / -0

I'd rather face a lunatic with a gun than a rabid Marxist Democrat with a carload full of fake absentee ballots.

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Shinydenim 31 points ago +31 / -0

Recent history shows high profile figures would sooner commit treason than entrust others with rights they’ve been endowed

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OperationCatSpeed 16 points ago +16 / -0

92/100 feckless senators agree…

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unaor 14 points ago +16 / -2

Look up who said "take the guns first, then go through the courts".

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OperationCatSpeed 10 points ago +10 / -0

Yeah, well look where playing nice with the libs got him.

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ADAM_SCHITT 7 points ago +7 / -0

I think he back-tracked after everyone flipped out but yeah that was retarded.

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unaor -1 points ago +1 / -2

His thoughtless statements literally got bump stocks banned and red flag laws implemented. The dude talks when he should shut up and stays silent when he should speak up.

You should takr the vaccine by the way, terrific stuff. Everyone said it couldn't be rushed out in such a short timeframe but boy did we show them.

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BridgesSoldHere 2 points ago +2 / -0

Lol and who exactly would be showing up for court if they tried that?

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conservativefrank 42 points ago +42 / -0

Left: Anyone who attended Jan 6 rally can't have a gun - they are lunatics. Anyone who supports Trump is a lunatic - no gun.

Supporting red flag laws is a leftist position - per fucking iod.

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bidensmissingbrain 32 points ago +33 / -1

I can kind of see where, on some level, red flag laws make sense - no one wants a bona fide lunatic roaming freely with a gun intent on doing harm.

So you think people would be okay with a bona fide lunatic roaming freely, intent on doing harm as long as they don't have a gun?

If someone is too nuts to be trusted with a gun, they're too nuts to live in society and should be withheld from it (prison/rehabilitation) or removed (execution).

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Mamapedia 10 points ago +11 / -1

Did I say that? Or imply that? You are taking license with my words. But your argument is a good one.

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bidensmissingbrain 11 points ago +12 / -1

Did I say that? Or imply that? You are taking license with my words.

Yea, you kinda did...

I can kind of see where, on some level, red flag laws make sense - no one wants a bona fide lunatic roaming freely with a gun intent on doing harm.

The only thing RFLs would change in your example would be to remove "with a gun" from the sentence. The bona fide lunatic with intent on doing harm would still be roaming freely.

RFLs approach the problem as a gun issue. It's not a gun issue, it's a people issue. If you want actual results, remove the person from the example, not the object.

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Mamapedia -1 points ago +4 / -5

You are making a leap that is not logically supported by my words, irrespective of the issue.

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bidensmissingbrain 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'm not making any leap. I've simply taken your words to their logical end. RFLs do nothing to solve the problem of dangerous people in society or preventing them from doing harm.

It's misdirection to focus on an inanimate object instead of the actual problem of the person doing, or intending to do, harm.

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Mamapedia -1 points ago +1 / -2

I'm focusing on the logic of your argument, which is foundational, and which I see is a lost cause. In any case, I do not support red flag laws, as was clear in my initial comment.

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unaor 5 points ago +7 / -2

So you're saying you don't think people would mind a "bona fide lunatic roaming around" without a gun then?

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Mamapedia -1 points ago +4 / -5

Rinse and repeat. :)

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The_duck_donald 31 points ago +31 / -0

People don’t realize they already have them. If you are hospitalized for a mental health emergency a doctor is able to sign away your 2nd amendment rights forever. There is no legal Avenue to restoration of your rights, it is just like having a felony on your record... except there is no jury or judge overseeing the process. This is in every single state. Red flag laws are another step further where a doctor doesn’t even have to sign off on it. Absolutely unconstitutional

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peterstrzoked 18 points ago +18 / -0

Moral of the story? Don’t go to hospitals

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unaor 20 points ago +21 / -1

Don't trust doctors. 99% of yhem are fucking quacks.

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Joe_Snow 6 points ago +6 / -0

Agreed. A lot of these fucking creeps are asking people's children if there are guns in the home.

I've been hesitant to trust doctors since LONG before this scamdemic.

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ADAM_SCHITT 7 points ago +7 / -0

That is unconstitutional as fuck. You can't rob someone of their rights without due process.

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Joe_Snow 2 points ago +2 / -0

chuckles in machinist

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Joe_Snow 1 point ago +1 / -0

Correct. You or I cannot. The government can do whatever the fuck it wants, apparently.

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Mamapedia 4 points ago +4 / -0

thanks for clarifying

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Ilove45 3 points ago +3 / -0

EVERY. TIME my SO goes to the VA they spend half the visit trying to get him to admit to mental health issues. He's fairly sure they do this on purpose because veteran = gun owner in their minds.

I'm sure that keeps a lot of vets from getting the help they need.

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Bozhi 47 points ago +47 / -0

We have red flag laws in Washington state, and my neighbor's father called the authorities and said he was a danger. My neighbor has lived here for 15 years with no problems.

Three SUV's full of FBI agents broke into his house while he wasn't home and removed his weapons.

He told me his father did that for revenge because they had an argument. His father lives in Missouri, so I don't see how my neighbor could have been an immediate threat to him.

Of course, I'm sure I don't know the whole story, but it just seems excessive.

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based_trekkie 13 points ago +13 / -0

Double edged sword....

if they do pass red"FAG" laws....

Hide the fucking guns where the feds won;t find them then drop the dime on the retards that still trust the state.

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unaor 9 points ago +10 / -1

I would legit beat my dad's ass if he did that

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unaor 0 points ago +1 / -1

Probably a brainless leftcuck tbh

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unaor 0 points ago +1 / -1

Why do that to your child though?

Like I said he is probably stupid and shortsighted. Doesn't have enough mental faculties to realize what he is doing or the possible consequences. Such deficiencies in thought and inability to see cause and effect are common in leftists. A requirement to even be a leftist, even.

More importantly if the child has weapons wouldn't the father have his head on a swivel somewhat?

I don't think most people would kill their father, not even for this. I would beat my dad's ass, sure, but permanently injuring or worse is unthinkable.

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BaldyGull -1 points ago +3 / -4

Thus proving them right.

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80960KA 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's not at all irrational to beat someone's ass if they use the state to harass you.

In fact it's perfectly rational.

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unaor 0 points ago +1 / -1

Someone baselessly destroying your freedom warrants retribution. Luckily my father and I have a great relationship and neither of us would ever do this to the other. And if I were ever to do such a thing to him he would have every right to beat my ass senseless for it.

Also you're a cuck

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BaldyGull 1 point ago +1 / -0

Everyone seems to be taking exception to my comment, but have we all forgotten how things went on January 6th. They will use your righteous anger as a way to frame you as the bad guy. Maybe optics aren't as important as I make them out to be, but you know damn well, if you do as you say, it would just be used to justify red flag laws. "Tonight at 5, learn how red flag laws saved the life of an elderly Kalamazoo man." Like it or not, normies vote.

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unaor 0 points ago +1 / -1

Lol @ "muh optics". They will just lie and say whatever they want anyway, no matter what happens.

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BunnyPicnic 43 points ago +44 / -1

Kinda like how we said if we push the gay agenda, eventually the Pedos and trannies will get pushed. Slippery slope law.

The government doesn't give us rights. The bill of rights are things the government cannot take from us. Every living human has a right to protect it's own life, however that may be.

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fclampazzo 17 points ago +17 / -0

It was just about love at first and now we have to wax people's balls when they walk in the business doors and ask us. If we don't learn from that...

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TaxDollarsHardAtWork 36 points ago +36 / -0

Exactly. There's no such thing as "reasonable" gun control laws. All gun control laws are repugnant to the Constitution.

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Chopblock 29 points ago +29 / -0

RED FLAGS’ IN ACTION: Whether used to infringe on your 2nd Amendment rights or for other purposes, the ‘Red Flag’ approach ALWAYS goes bad (with examples!)

https://patriots.win/p/3wnH7nk/examining-red-flags-in-action--e/

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Standingoak 14 points ago +14 / -0

Exactly, Soviet abuse of Mental Health. Why must they abuse Medical and Mental Health..........oops because they dominate them.

https://scholarlycommons.law.cwsl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1789&context=cwilj

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AntsCamera 341 points ago +344 / -3

What a faggot.

Hear that Bill, I called you a faggot!

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MadAssShitAmerican 76 points ago +77 / -1

Him and Tim can be bed pals or public bath pals.

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monkeycat2010 56 points ago +57 / -1

That's Bitchell, to you my fren.

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Skogin 32 points ago +32 / -0

Shill Bitchell

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Joe_Snow 7 points ago +7 / -0

I thought it was Billfag Bitchell?

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FightTheSWAMP 10 points ago +11 / -1

Bill probably thinks we should lose our right to own firearms for calling him a faggot.

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bannedninjabit 297 points ago +297 / -0

LOL "Johns Hopkins study"

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Skogin 148 points ago +148 / -0

Hopkins is partners in the COVID takeover.

Fauci is Hopkins.

Hopkins is Asshoe.

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malthael 30 points ago +30 / -0

kek

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anon09 6 points ago +6 / -0

I send this to people on twitter, and people have honestly responded by saying, "llool if you think they were actually doing that do you think they'd leave this video on youtube for everyone to see???" or, "yeah of course they planned for this, everyone knew a pandemic was coming", then why did every national leader pretend to get caught off guard by this? just the amount of mental gymnastics is horrifying.

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Skogin 3 points ago +3 / -0

Mental cripples.

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Women4Trump2020 5 points ago +5 / -0

Our local Pinellas hospital All Children’s used to be amazing until John Hopkins’ took over. Now they forced all employees to take the vax and are 100% SJW. They even have equity personnel going around with little anti-racist notepads.

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basedvirginian 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hopkins is also an arm of the Rockefeller medical/educational empire

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Skogin 1 point ago +1 / -0

shivers

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anon09 2 points ago +2 / -0
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Skogin 1 point ago +1 / -0

I watched 5 minutes and still not sure if that is satire.

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anon09 2 points ago +2 / -0

the fake cnn clip is something johns hopkins put together to gameplan for the pandemic

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Skogin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Right, it seems familiar.

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based_trekkie 29 points ago +30 / -1

Man in white lab coat said so....so it MUST be True!!!!

Such fucking COWING to FAKE AUTHORITY!!!

Used to be King became kings because they let a tribe to fight of some invader etc....

Now the leaders are just faggots who run up student debt and suck some politicians cock.

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LibertyPrimeWasRight 12 points ago +12 / -0

To be fair, that was only true of the first king in a given line. Most kings were just hereditary rulers—that’s the kind of bullshit that led to 1776 in the first place.

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ThebigLMAOski17 1 point ago +1 / -0

they make fun of the religious for doing the bidding of the man behind the pulpit in a goofy hat... but they not only refuse to question anyone in a lab coat, they will attack you with violence or promote violence against you if you don't prostrate to their god.

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based_trekkie 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nothing in the world is new, just old shit re-hashed yet again...

Religion started out by people observing nature and trying to create reasons for the patterns they observed....

Science the same way when religion failed them....

Now science is starting to, has already become a fucking social pressure cult....

Time for another god damned dark age...

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ThebigLMAOski17 1 point ago +1 / -0

right on... i don't necessarily dislike people having a belief system unless or until they begin using their belief systems to infringe on my rights and freedoms.

you want to pray to your god of science on the altar of propaganda go right ahead, just leave me the fuck alone cause i think you're all a bunch of fucking weirdos.

lol.

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whataboob 15 points ago +15 / -0

Wait hold on though, there’s this Johns Hopkins study that says your god given rights should be curtailed, and this is a good thing I’m using as evidence because I’m clueless.

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flashersenpai 5 points ago +5 / -0

Same institution that gave John Money the butcher his start in trans "medicine"

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Billbuttlickerr 5 points ago +5 / -0

Next he’ll say “well snopes said….”

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BurtMcGirt 207 points ago +207 / -0

That dumb pedo actually thinks polls are to report sentiment rather than to drive sentiment.

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GhostPepperedLabia 52 points ago +52 / -0

How do people not get this at this point?

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BurtMcGirt 20 points ago +20 / -0

Good question.

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Winner45 10 points ago +11 / -1

Tbf there’s a lot of people on this site that push polls that they like the outcome. Muh “70% of blacks are unvaxxed” pops up almost daily

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Barbs 9 points ago +10 / -1

That’s not a push poll, lol.

A push poll would be lying in the other direction, claiming 70% are vaxxed to try to get that last 30% to get in line.

Edit: I see you’re not talking about push polls now that I reread it, but that statistic is accurate. It’s currently what’s keeping the company I work for from taking a harder stance than “recommended,” because we have a ton of black employees that aren’t vaxxed.

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GhostPepperedLabia 1 point ago +1 / -0

Which is us using those numbers to push an agenda, we're not different just less influential.

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Fridge_pirate 0 points ago +1 / -1

They do.

That's the problem.

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NoFakeNewsCommies 1 point ago +4 / -3

Everyone who doesn't align 100% is a pedo?

Red flag laws are unconstitutional but don't start devaluing pedo into nazi

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80960KA 2 points ago +2 / -0

He's at least an uphill gardener.

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Joe_Snow 1 point ago +2 / -1

Agreed. I'm good with Billfag.

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NancysMinge 164 points ago +165 / -1

I can see why people here called him a faggot.

He’s toast

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ObamasLooseButthole 83 points ago +84 / -1

Funny thing is, he's now being called a faggot on gab lol. Running away made it worse.

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Comntrinchief 27 points ago +27 / -0

LOL. Classic

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thisguy883 20 points ago +20 / -0

holy shit, do you have a link?

Thats too good

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ObamasLooseButthole 18 points ago +18 / -0

Here's his gab account

You need to sign in to see replies to his posts though, so if you don't have an account I got some screenshots of a few examples here

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Cyer6 15 points ago +15 / -0

He's getting ripped up over there. His following is going to collapse like Jenga blocks and it's all because P.W. pedes unhinged him.

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Joe_Snow 7 points ago +7 / -0

FUCKING KEK!!

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OKRancher 9 points ago +9 / -0

That’s awesome.

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thisguy883 8 points ago +8 / -0

lol thats hilarious.

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The_Litehaus_Abides 8 points ago +8 / -0

Check out this parody account. Made by one of us, I;m sure, haha.

https://gab.com/BillMitchellVII

edit -- never mind, it won't load so I guess it's been deleted. Wish I'd taken a screenshot. It said I'm Bill Mitchell and I like buttfucking. Damn!

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LibertySmiberty 8 points ago +8 / -0

Thanks. He banned me from his page. Lol

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Joe_Snow 4 points ago +4 / -0

HAHAHAHA what a faggot

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rn10950 10 points ago +10 / -0

"The Bill Mitchell Effect":

The act of being so much of a faggot that you run to other people to whine that people called you a faggot, who promptly assure you that you are, indeed, a faggot.

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Fridge_pirate 1 point ago +2 / -1

That's fantastic. Love it.

Love it so much.

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spezisacuckold 35 points ago +35 / -0

Bill Mitchell has always been a moron "yes man" along the lines of Sean Hannity.

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Lowersidecustoms 21 points ago +21 / -0

Sean Faggity

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Ophelia 9 points ago +9 / -0

Kek

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Joe_Snow 0 points ago +0 / -0

Sean Hannity is a lizard person. I've got the naval inteligence documents to prove it.

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Gyrfalcon 2 points ago +2 / -0

I keep wanting to do something witty using navel rather than naval, but it just won't work. Intelligence vs, belly button lint??

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Joe_Snow 2 points ago +2 / -0

ope. did i accidentally ghey up my faggity joke?

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Mark4-39 11 points ago +11 / -0

He already deleted his account here. Bless his heart

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Ex-libtard 115 points ago +115 / -0

When did the definition of inalienable change?

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Chopblock 64 points ago +64 / -0

The founding fathers were wicked smart, and they didn’t waste a single word in the Bill of Rights amendments on empty rhetoric.

“A well regulated Militia...” - This recognizes that not only do you have the right to own and possess arms, but ALSO that you have a inalienable right to drill, train, make ready supplies, plan logistics, and practice military maneuvers, both alone and in groups, whether that group is organized or not, and irregardless of whether it is officially recognized or affiliated with the government.

”...being necessary to the security of a free State...” - This affirms that all these actions are de facto in the interest of national and state security, and thus do not fall away under any ‘emergency declarations’ or ‘safety measures’, and that “freedom” is the only purpose you need ever use to justify it. Therefore, the right cannot be limited to sports, hunting, personal defense, collecting, military support, or anything else. It also creates a lower limit for weapons types and standards equal to those used by the military.

”...the right of the people...” - This affirms that the Right is an individual right, not a collective right or ‘right of office’. That means there is no condition that can be imposed upon it such as “only when practicing together” or “only when the governor calls up a militia”.

”...to keep and bear Arms...” - This affirms that the individual maintains the right of possession, ownership, and custody at all times, that the individual can carry, display, and show their weapons and prowess (drills, abilities, expertise, militia identity, insignias, etc.), and that lethal weapons of any kind (bound by military infantry standards) are included, not just “guns” or certain calibers, or other imposed ‘definitions’.

”...shall not be infringed.” Constitutional scholars believe this phrase, when translated from 18th century common English into modern vernacular, means something close to, but not exactly the same as, ’FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT’.

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Jack_HinsonTN 13 points ago +13 / -0

Kinda misses a big part of why the prefatory clause guarantees the individual right however: Militia members are required to arm themselves at their own expense. This is borne out in every Militia Act passed, including the Militia Acts of 1792, passed mere months after the ratification of the Second Amendment. This isn't possible unless people are permitted to own arms in the first place. Since the founders saw the militias as key to the security of the Free state, they HAD to guarantee this freedom or else shoulder a massive cost to arm any Militia that were activated for duty. Taxpayers would have crucified them in 1792 if it were not for the Second Amendment. And funny story: thanks to the Dick Act (Militia Act of 1906) every able-bodied male aged 17-45 is part of the Militia.

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Chopblock 8 points ago +9 / -1

Those are historically relevant practicalities, not textual interpretation of meaning — but I do appreciate the history lesson!

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Jack_HinsonTN 8 points ago +9 / -1

Historically relevant, because it shows the way the founders interpreted it less than 5 months after ratifying it. Considering that was how the damn founders themselves interpreted the second amendment in the Militia Acts of 1792, all other interpretations are effectively moot.

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Chopblock 9 points ago +9 / -0

Those are consequences of the meaning applied to particular questions of law, not the entire meaning of the amendment.

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Jack_HinsonTN 1 point ago +1 / -0

The "consequences", as you call them, clarify exactly what the meaning and intent of the particular phrasing of the amendment was. Especially given that they followed immediately on the heels of ratification (barely 5 months between ratification and said "consequences"). It makes it clear that the founders saw that the Militia was a critical structure for the security of a free state, and that an unarmed Militia was a threat to that security. They thus ensured that the people would be secured the right to keep and bear arms and barred any infringement of that right, because the people ARE the Militia when needed. This is precisely why the prefatory clause is important: it provides the ironclad reason why the amendment protects the INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms. Modern so-called "scholars" frequently try to argue that it only protects the right of the active Militia members to keep and bear arms, but thanks to the immediate "consequences" as you call them in the form of the Militia Acts of 1792, we can see clearly that is not at all what the founders thought. They required every person drafted for Militia duty to arm themselves at their own expense from the very first Militia Act, thereby providing a perfect example of the reason why individuals MUST be able to keep and bear Arms. The best part about this is the proximity to the ratification of the Second Amendment. It shows immediately what the founders intended in a way that doesn't leave any room for modern "interpretation" to attempt to water down the meaning via modern "living document" interpretive bullshit.

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Chopblock 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don’t disagree with any of that — the founders rightly considered the militia (as you described) to be the national military, and distrusted permanent ‘professional’ military, not for economic reasons or philosophical reasons, but because they studied the historical effect of this type of armies upon nations and liberty.

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ADAM_SCHITT 4 points ago +4 / -0

BASED

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NotMyGovernor 2 points ago +2 / -0

RESTRICTING ACCESS TO GYMS IS A VIOLATION OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT!!!!

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Iosefballin 2 points ago +2 / -0

in ANY other legal setting, what does "infringed" mean?

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Chopblock 3 points ago +3 / -0

Trespassing, illegal entering, improper usage, taking without permission, encroachment, interference —basically various ways of taking what isn’t yours or preventing someone from using what is theirs.

Commonly used in patents and copyrights, natural rights, property rights, contracts and torts, and licensing.

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Iosefballin 1 point ago +1 / -0

So, in other words, unless we are talking about guns (for some reason), ANY LIMITATION on something...

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Minarchist_Manlet 2 points ago +2 / -0

👏

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Unzipped_Patriot 9 points ago +11 / -2

You have to establish your status as a man created by God. The government has classified most people as a corporation and government has power over corporations. Government has no power over men created by God.

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covok48 3 points ago +4 / -1

National Firearms Act of 1934.

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monkeycat2010 101 points ago +102 / -1

MHO on this matter.

Ultimately what happened is this guy came into this community swinging balls and he had no idea how this community works. He thought he was some big deal and some people flattered him for it.

However, this community in its totality is IRREVERANT. You got to earn a place here and be ready to have it torn down at the first chance.

There is no hierarchy.

He is clearly too tied to his opinion and is not about listening and understanding others.

That by today's definition makes him a leftist.

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Scooby721 57 points ago +58 / -1

You nailed it, fren. I've been knocked down and insulted by this community plenty of times. Despite that, I still love you faggots.

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Serulin 23 points ago +23 / -0

I think 2020 taught us not to be celeb chasers after so many angsty idiots outed thenselves after the steal with OMG crying emoji its over. I thought we should have gotten over it during our reddit days. I was conservitive before Trump and will be so after his legacy is either dust or his legacy has been heralded as the beginning of the new reawkening.

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flashersenpai 19 points ago +19 / -0

Fuck you. See you tomorrow.

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Fridge_pirate 5 points ago +6 / -1

Ahh, I see we work on the same crew.

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BigDick_Don45 9 points ago +9 / -0

Hundo P. the best idea's will be forged in fire and made into steel, its while free speech is the well, from which all other freedom springs. Which is why in the constitution the second amendment is needed to protect the first.

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Skogin 28 points ago +29 / -1

He thought he was some big deal and some people flattered him for it.

His twats or tweets or whatever have been reposted here a lot, so yeah, he must have gotten a boner about it and expected us to suck him off. Instead, he got kicked in the nuts and flushed down the toilet.

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Shaggnutts 6 points ago +6 / -0

Faggots are $15 these days? I thought they’d be cheaper

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The_Litehaus_Abides 4 points ago +4 / -0

Inflation;s crazy. You know, what I'd really like to know is the name of the mod who called him a faggot.

That mod deserves the utmost respect.

(Anyone knows, please DM me)

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Unzipped_Patriot 20 points ago +20 / -0

I have verbally sparred with plenty of people on here to the point where things get chippy. I have also upvoted those same people's comments on the same or different threads. I never downvote because that seems kinda gay and petty, but I have insulted someone and also upvoted or agreed with that same person. That's part of what I love about it here. This wannabe big shot needs to get over himself. Someone called him a faggot? Big deal, defend your argument or shut up.

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LikelyALiar 13 points ago +13 / -0

ive never once paid any attention to anyon'e username on this or any other similar styled site.

I don't know why anyone would.

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Comntrinchief 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think that is a generational thing. I also have never understood it. My theory is younger people grew up playing multi player video games where user names were important.

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LikelyALiar 6 points ago +6 / -0

I grew up playing multiplayer games with aliases. What people say is more important than who said it, most of the time.

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Comntrinchief 1 point ago +1 / -0

So do you think there is anything to my theory?

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LikelyALiar 2 points ago +2 / -0

Impossible to tell without knowing demographics of the site and how many people use it the same way 🙂. It's possible, but all I can say for sure is anecdotally it doesn't apply to me

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Ophelia 7 points ago +7 / -0

I’ve even commended some of Anaconda and his alt123 posts.

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Tokyo20DrinkingGame 8 points ago +8 / -0

I don't even think it's a hot take at this point to say that Anaconda isn't that bad. I get it, he thinks completely differently than us, and he's usually wrong, but it's absolutely his right to be wrong. I also think he teaches this community to rally around each other and back each other up. The alts are stupid though and if they are his (and I'm still not 100% convinced they are), I wish he'd drop them and just be himself.

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Jaqen 2 points ago +2 / -0

Was he wrong about Tucker?

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Tokyo20DrinkingGame 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don't follow him closely enough to remember what he said about Tucker. I don't even have TV to even know what Tucker's saying these days. I cut the cord 2-3 years ago and don't miss the cable punditry at all. My body and blood pressure thank me for that.

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Joe_Snow 3 points ago +3 / -0

Damn I was about to bring up Anaconda too... Even a stopped clock gets it right twice a day...

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Tokyo20DrinkingGame 4 points ago +4 / -0

What's funny is it works the same way with my closest friends in real life. We'll royally piss each other off to the point of almost fighting, but the minute someone else talks shit about one of us, we're the other's biggest defender and will fuckin lay waste to their asses.

That being said, I fuckin love you all.

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InTheArmsOfThePepe 10 points ago +11 / -1

It's actually refreshing how quickly and easily people are discarded.

Because it's not about allegiance to a person.

It's about allegiance to an ideal and a cause, to a MAGA movement that cannot be confined or constrained to any single individual (even our beloved GEOTUS).

Want to MAGA? Then c'mon, lez go!

But the SECOND you turn against that or attempt to elevate yourself above, we toss you outta here like side-of-beef into a van.

This is the way we take back our country!

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BeardedNinjaPede 1 point ago +3 / -2

The pretentious fuck said he was here to correct our wrong think. Like he was some supremely intelligent idol to guide us and be worshipped. He defended none of his assertions logically and then began insulting us all. That upset me and many others clearly.

You're absolutely right, we support ideas, not people, directly. We support Trump because he supports our ideals, mostly.

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monkeycat2010 2 points ago +2 / -0

That is the truth. If Trump were to go against our ideals, even though it would be painful, I have no doubt that this community would dump him like yesterday's news.

We are about MAGA and a free world with free people cooperating to make life better for everyone and escape the tyranny we NEVER signed up for.

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Herecomedatpresident 2 points ago +3 / -1

Dats da troof.

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OrangeElvis 82 points ago +83 / -1

"red flag" = no due process = fuck you faggot.

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Donaldino 14 points ago +14 / -0

Even with due process, no firearm legislation is legal in any way shape or forrm. Shall not be infringed. I do not care who owns a firearm as long as everyone is able to. An armed society is a polite society.

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OrangeElvis 2 points ago +2 / -0

Agree with this. However, toothoast is out of the tube in most areas. Red flags, however is his the will disarm the rest of us.

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ThebigLMAOski17 2 points ago +2 / -0

day one this faggot gets his red flag laws he'd have 100's of thousands of people reporting him just to show him what he's done.

for his sake he better hope nobody is stupid enough to push this unconstitutional garbage.

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JackOfDiamonds -18 points ago +1 / -19

No, it doesn't. It literally requires a judge to... wait for it: JUDGE. That's called "due process."

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_deleted_ 9 points ago +9 / -0

Ew. What a disgusting fucking faggot opinion.

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_deleted_ 2 points ago +2 / -0

Bye

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darkmodelogon 2 points ago +2 / -0

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, faggot. Must be a bill mitchell alt acct

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peterthegreen 5 points ago +5 / -0

Due process is now called "moot".

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Good_Ole_Arky_Gal 75 points ago +75 / -0

Infringe is infringe..... and when people.find out how screwed you can be with the reporting with that... doctor doesn't like yelp review, use red flag. Pissed off at your ex, red flag law. Don't believe people should have guns because that's "dangerous", aunt Karen calls in the red flag law... screw that. Going from do not infringe on this right too anyone and everyone can infringe on this right

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LucretiaReflection 49 points ago +50 / -1

THIS! I broke up with a crazy bitch who promptly swatted and red flagged me. The retard cops very nearly shot me. Nothing happened to her or the cops. If this faggot thinks this kinda stuff is ok I'll gladly let him experience it and then get back to us.

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BigDick_Don45 16 points ago +16 / -0

Call in old six shooter Bill, saw him walking around practicing his fast draw at a park with children in it, OHHHHH THE HUMANITY!

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LucretiaReflection 13 points ago +14 / -1

Lol. What does this clueless faggot think when someone calls up and says there is a lunatic with a gun. The police just casually stroll in and say "good day ol' chap, we would love a kindly word with you to possibly clear up a misunderstanding" ? I can assure you they are not fucking around in the least.

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BigDick_Don45 11 points ago +11 / -0

Precisely. People don't learn until it affects them personally. Be kind and give him the lesson.

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SilverStarv5 8 points ago +8 / -0

Don't believe people should have guns because that's "dangerous", aunt Karen calls in the red flag law...

And then she calls men with guns, without a sense of irony

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destroyer713 49 points ago +50 / -1

This guy is done here. Completely. Also that study has to be a miracle of "lies, damn lies and statistics". There is no freaking way 76% of the right favor Red Flag laws. Also 66% of gun owners? LOL. No.

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mintscape 26 points ago +26 / -0

Anyone that claims to be a Trump supporter and trusts polls after all we have seen is a fucking moron.

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Corse46 9 points ago +9 / -0

This. There is no way that many gun owners want red flag laws. Bullshit.

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AmannamedRJ 6 points ago +6 / -0

The magic of statistics. Polls that pull this shit ask questions like

Do you think felons should be able to get a gun/ Should background checks be initiated

Do you believe violently mentally ill people ill should have guns?

And then if they get a yes: SEE? THEY'RE FOR RED FLAG LAWS!!

Anybody got the study I guarantee you some bullshit like that is in the methodology.

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Medtex1 47 points ago +47 / -0

It's not fringe if we never needed it before these fucker suggested it.

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becky21k1 45 points ago +46 / -1

Dude, the mainstream is all leftists.

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slangin_paint 30 points ago +30 / -0

and being "fringe" doesn't mean you are wrong. what a tool.

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becky21k1 12 points ago +13 / -1

In fact it's more like a golden shower than a main stream

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okboomer59 3 points ago +3 / -0

the 3% who fought in the War for Independency were fringe, according to Tories, Parliament and the Crown

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ExileOnRedditStreet 41 points ago +41 / -0

He and Crenshaw like to putt from the rough.

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Powhattan 39 points ago +39 / -0

Why do we even need red flag laws? I like the 2nd amendment the way it is.

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RussianBotButNot 14 points ago +14 / -0

But the elites don't like the Second Amendment. And they'd like for your opinion to be irrelevant.

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PresidentPussyGraber 7 points ago +7 / -0

Because affluent suburban housewives value the appearance of safety more than actually having safety let alone freedom. Also because 50% of men are stupid and cowardly

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Skogin 6 points ago +6 / -0

Faggots love their color flags.

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Corse46 3 points ago +3 / -0

Because your government fears you.

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Mamapedia 38 points ago +38 / -0

LOL the caps. Has no one ever said no to this pretty boy before?

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Desktop 32 points ago +32 / -0

John Hopkins University....Hmmm. Oh yeah. These are the guys who kept track of all the bogus Covid-19 case and death rate statistics around the world and published them in a near real-time tally on a website that unfortunately became the defacto authority on how big and bad and scary the scamdemic was becoming. And, oh yeah. They actually shit all over one of their own researchers when she compiled year over year death records and determined that there was no overall increase in death and that in fact there was no pandemic. Yeah, John Hopkins University is just brimming with credibility...

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Skogin 9 points ago +9 / -0

Trust the Science™️ you bigot.

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OconusLurex 29 points ago +29 / -0

Appeal to consensus.

Weak.

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x79q3pb 2 points ago +2 / -0

^ This guy sees through the hubris like glass. Up'd.

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Redpill-notCommieRed 25 points ago +25 / -0

Red flag laws are not needed for a Constitutional Right that ends with "shall not be infringed"

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spinometer 19 points ago +19 / -0

red flag laws is to 2nd amendment what

hate speech laws is to 1st amendment

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Comntrinchief 4 points ago +4 / -0

Great analogy. Will steal.

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just2groovy 17 points ago +17 / -0

Bill doesn't understand that alot of us don't trust the mainstream.

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Kaarous 16 points ago +16 / -0

"Shall not be infringed", you car salesman looking motherfucker.

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Toollespaulhero 15 points ago +15 / -0

Cites leftist John’s Hopkins….it’s not like I ever got a call for one of these polls.

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slangin_paint 14 points ago +14 / -0

hey, is this that faggot everybody keeps mentioning?

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I_am_the_glowie 13 points ago +13 / -0

We proved he was a faggot and now he's lost it.

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ColoRobo 5 points ago +5 / -0

All cockroaches hate having the light shined upon them.

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lordvon 13 points ago +13 / -0

wow he really got exposed after touching and bitching about patriots.win

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FuckingWiseCracker 13 points ago +13 / -0

What a faggot!!

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SquirreleeDan 11 points ago +11 / -0

Just saying I went on GAB and reported him for threats. He is being a leftist and that is a threat to GAB was my comment. Wonder if they had 1000's of us do that what would happen?

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Schwungle 6 points ago +6 / -0

He already blocked me there for calling his faggotry out after he ran away here, otherwise i'd try and help your cause, fren.

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p1smo 11 points ago +11 / -0

Then I'm happy to be on the fringe. I can think of another group of men who were 'on the fringe' when they signed the Constitution, so I don't really give a damn if 99.99999% of gun owners and Republicans support red flag laws for the simple fact they're unConstitutional and violate the most basic standards of due process.

Bill's argument is literally a textbook case of, 'If everyone jumps off a cliff, would you do it?' There's what's popular, and there's what's Constitutional. Bill has obviously chosen his side.

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HEXEN 9 points ago +9 / -0

Maybe Bill Mitchell should stop being a faggot.

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Legionnaire0311 9 points ago +9 / -0

Every time I see what this guy says, it has something to do with being accepted/mainstream/normal etc. All he cares about is riding the fence and being accept by the largest % of people, which is exactly what a grifter faggot does when running a con.

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BasedITGuy 8 points ago +9 / -1

"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" -Some Faggot with a podcast.

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TaxDollarsHardAtWork 8 points ago +8 / -0

Johns Hopkins University Study

Well there's your problem, Bill. Johns Hopkins is helping to push the Clot-Shot. You think they'd tell you the truth?

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Vlad_The_Impaler 7 points ago +7 / -0

Fuck Bill Mitchell. FUCK JOE BIDEN!

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Gans 7 points ago +7 / -0

Lmao GOOD let him put his real character on full display.

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TyrannyBuster 7 points ago +7 / -0

Yes if I don't agree with you I must be evil. Fucking faggot.

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thisisatestof2 7 points ago +7 / -0

For some reason, I just don’t trust Johns Hopkins University when it comes to study is like this.

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spezisacuckold 7 points ago +7 / -0

"Red Flag Laws" shit all over and completely violate Due Process.

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imnotdeadyet 6 points ago +6 / -0

There is no way that survey is accurate. Any level headed gun owner knows that government will abuse the law, just like they have abused the Patriot act.

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CommunismIsForLosers 6 points ago +6 / -0

Keep on digging yourself deeper, loser.

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Tyscribz 6 points ago +6 / -0

#RED FLAG SHILL BITCHELL

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usdodsgssog 6 points ago +6 / -0

As soon as someone can show me a red flag law that can't be arbitrarily used against an innocent person, maybe then I'd support it. Until then carry and protect yourself from all versions of insane people, you know, like the ones who will use knives... bombs... bioweapons like covid...

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bubadmt 6 points ago +6 / -0

Lmao, this reminds me of that RINO lady who took the stage at CPAC and got booed to hell and the next day she was posting erratic tweets like this. These faggots expose themselves very quick when confronted with their faggotry. BM was never MAGA, just another donation hungry RINO fag.

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Comntrinchief 2 points ago +2 / -0

Who was that lady?

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peterthegreen 2 points ago +2 / -0

AZ RINO who killed an election integrity bill sponsored by Sen. Kelly Townsend and was booed off stage at a Turning Point Action event In Phoenix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEd5QAMD3jo

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Comntrinchief 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks. I remember it now.

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yeldarb1983 5 points ago +5 / -0

reasonable

red flag laws

pick one

second of all, I don't care if jesus comes down from heaven and tells me himself that red flag laws are good. I'll look him right in the eye and tell the original christfag he's full of shit as a christmas goose.

history informs me that any attempt to seize a private citizen's weapons without due process is always a bad thing for the citizens.

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SaltySteffie 3 points ago +4 / -1

I agree with your well written response.

Except for the way you referred to Jesus. I hope you come to know him. 🙏🏻 I’ll pray that you do ❤️🙏🏻

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yeldarb1983 2 points ago +3 / -1

Oh, I have no personal beef with Jesus. He's a bit hippy for my tastes, but he seems okay enough.

Admittedly, I may have gotten a bit hyperbolic there, and if I offended you, I'm sorry.

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x79q3pb 2 points ago +2 / -0

If it makes you feel any better, Jesus was ready to pick up a sword for much less than we're dealing with now.

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” (Mt 10:34)

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BasedNtruth 5 points ago +5 / -0

Those numbers are 100% bullshit lmao

Dude is losing it 🤣🤣🤣

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MAGA_SWAGNAR 5 points ago +5 / -0

Well this douche is showing his true colors.

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Freedom__Fighter 5 points ago +5 / -0

FUCK YOU GRIFTING BITCH!

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ihatedemocrats 5 points ago +5 / -0

Shall not be infringed. Havacupafuckoff

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cyberwar 5 points ago +5 / -0

He gets paid by some Rino who thinks Bitchell has influence to promote gun control amongst conservatives.

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Jesse3000 3 points ago +3 / -0

66% of gun owners is a bullshit number and 76% of GOP includes all the fucking RINO's so it's a bullshit number too. I bet you can't find 10% of gun owners that want to restrict gun ownership even one iota more than the current unconstitutional limits we have to deal with now. Fuck the GOP, communists, and any red flag laws.

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HighVoltage 1 point ago +1 / -0

Couldn't have said it better myself