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Tyrone_biggums 3 points ago +3 / -0

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1

“SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome”

“To experimentally corroborate the possibility of viral retro-integration, we describe evidence that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse transcribed in human cells by reverse transcriptase (RT) from LINE-1 elements or by HIV-1 RT, and that these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed. Human endogenous LINE-1 expression was induced upon SARS-CoV-2 infection or by cytokine exposure in cultured cells, suggesting a molecular mechanism for SARS-CoV-2 retro-integration in patients. This novel feature of SARS-CoV-2 infection may explain why patients can continue to produce viral RNA after recovery and suggests a new aspect of RNA virus replication.”

If the viral mRNA can be spliced into the genome, why can the modified mRNA from the vaccine? It is at least plausible.

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Yawnz13 1 point ago +1 / -0

If the viral mRNA can be spliced into the genome, why can the modified mRNA from the vaccine? It is at least plausible.

It lacks any ability to penetrate the nuclear envelope as well as the RNA reverse transcriptase that it would need in order to actually integrate itself into the DNA strand.

This isn't even a new discovery. Artifacts of viral RNA/DNA have been found in human DNA before:

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.01418-19?permanently=true&

https://phys.org/news/2013-11-virus-dna-neanderthal-genome-modern.html

https://www.livescience.com/61627-ancient-virus-brain.html

https://medium.com/medical-myths-and-models/the-human-genome-is-full-of-viruses-c18ba52ac195

https://www.sciencealert.com/there-s-an-intact-ancient-virus-lying-dormant-in-human-dna

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/ancient-viruses-are-hiding-within-your-dna/

This is likely part of active naturally acquired immunity.

In order for the vaccine to be labelled as "genetic engineering", one would need to prove that the vaccine contains all necessary components for such. So far, no one has been able to do that, and mRNA on its own can't.

This then begs the questions of:

  1. What extant genes are affected and to what extent?

  2. If no extant genes are affected, what would this "genetic engineering" add?

Also, given that this test used PCR to determine that "viral RNA" was still being produced, I'm highly skeptical that they actually found legitimate viral RNA. Depending on how many cycles they ran, they likely in effect "watered down" their original sample and in actuality found RNA produced by human cells.

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user365927285937 2 points ago +2 / -0

It’s referred to as ‘gene therapy’, not gene ‘engineering’ you dipshit

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Yawnz13 0 points ago +1 / -1

See my other response to you, retard.

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Tyrone_biggums 2 points ago +2 / -0

Type 1 transposable elements encode their own reverse transcriptase. There is reverse transcriptase floating around the human transcriptome at all times. How on earth do you know the modified mRNA cannot penetrate the nuclear envelope? Sorry but you don’t know that. It is definitely plausible man. I would also ask why are you defending this point so vigorously?

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Yawnz13 1 point ago +1 / -0

Type 1 transposable elements do not encode anything. They can act in a similar fashion as reverse transcriptase, but given that they are nucleic acids and not proteins, they can't by definition by anything "-ase". Type 2 transposable elements are the ones that can encode proteins.

https://microbenotes.com/transposable-elements/

DNA/RNA polymerases can also act as a reverse transcriptase, but there is no such molecule that solely functions as such in humans. In humans, polymerase theta can both reintegrate RNA sequences into DNA and copy DNA strands during mitosis. This would be the reason for the "poly" prefix.

https://www.jefferson.edu/about/news-and-events/2021/6/discovery-shows-human-cells-can-write-rna-sequences-to-dna.html

How on earth do you know the modified mRNA cannot penetrate the nuclear envelope?

By what method would it be able to do so? It lacks any chaperone proteins or other mechanisms by which it can interact with the importin and transportin membrane protein systems that make up the nuclear envelope.

https://viralzone.expasy.org/989

Sorry but you don’t know that.

Yeah, I do, as illustrated above.

It is definitely plausible man.

In what way? Go on, present a theory. Explain how a mRNA strand can enter the nuclear envelope on its own.

I would also ask why are you defending this point so vigorously?

Why shouldn't I? Not a single person claiming that "mRNA vaccines are gene therapy/genetic engineering, etc." can present evidence of such.

  1. What human genes are altered and to what extent are they altered?

  2. If no extant human genes are altered, what new genes are added and what traits do they code for?