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fuckthealphabetsoup 22 points ago +22 / -0

Maybe we should start chopping the legs off every judge who says "No Standing"

We'll see how they like having "No standing"

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JohnCocktoastin 9 points ago +9 / -0

Election fraud has always been difficult to meet the standing requirements. However, this judge did not address any of the other elements. Just the injury. And in my opinion, it is the relief element that would be the hardest to satisfy. The injury part should be the easiest. So the up side is that it could be sent back on appeal.

There are not a lot of other situations I can think of that involve millions of people. But take a large cruise ship that might have a few thousand people on it. Let’s say the operator does something horribly negligent that injures every person on board to varying degrees. Apply this asshat’s logic. “Any person on that ship could claim injury. Therefore it is not concrete and particularized to them.” WTF is that? Just because it affects a large group of people does not mean it is not concrete and particularized to the plaintiffs. Concrete and particularized just means that the plaintiffs must be part of the group suffering an injury.

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IncredibleMrE1 [S] 8 points ago +8 / -0

Injury was sustained when Ruby Freeman's fat daughter ran the ballots through the machine multiple times. We all saw the video. Injury was concrete and specific.

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JohnCocktoastin 6 points ago +6 / -0

I think Ruby Freeman and daughter are more malleable than concrete. Which makes them more dangerous if they get on top of you...will form air tight seal.

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IncredibleMrE1 [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

Not sure what I'd die of first. Asphyxiation or a crushed rib cage.

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gunteh 3 points ago +4 / -1

Not sure what I'd die of first. Asphyxiation or a crushed rib cage.

Obviously you’d “die” of Covid first because “muh science” or whatever.

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gunteh 3 points ago +4 / -1

We have class action lawsuits for a reason. Does the judge think that the election fraud against a certain group is not “concrete and particularized”?

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JohnCocktoastin 4 points ago +4 / -0

If it were actually possible to get class action certification, resolution of that case might take 5-10 years. Going that route may end up the only possible route. But not the first choice. However...I am deeply skeptical anyone would get around qualified immunity in this case. That is the dilemma. They already lost on qualified immunity in this case too. A cluster fuck of epic proportions.

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MuhNameJeff 2 points ago +2 / -0

That’s a good point

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War_Hamster 8 points ago +8 / -0

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!

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NC_patriot 8 points ago +8 / -0

What in the actual fuck.

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ShyRipley 7 points ago +7 / -0

Okay, those words did rattle around in my head when I first heard about this.

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PorchLightOn 6 points ago +6 / -0

Same. Just getting caught up and I'm trying to wrap my head around this. It appears Amero has completely changed from his position in May, when he was days away from setting up the logistics of handling the examination of the paper ballots. That was delayed by months of legal wrangling caused by new motions filed by the county/state. But why has Amero now abandoned his previous intention?

He intended originally to give the plaintiffs the opportunity to make certain that their constitutional rights of due process and equal justice under the law had not been denied by the existence of counterfeit ballots. He was discussing which kinds of scanners they could use for the analysis, and whether or not forensic experts would be allowed to touch the ballots with gloves, and other details.

What has changed? All I can think of is pressure from the corrupt political machine in GA.

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ProfessorOak 5 points ago +5 / -0

Reminds me of what happened in MI with Elsenhiemer and Bailey's case.

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ShyRipley 2 points ago +2 / -0

I know. It's insane.

The discussion on WR was - and I was sort of half listening cause I was so pissed - and theories ranged from Amero something something afraid he would be overturned on appeal to the other side just buried the judge in paperwork so he threw his hands up and said forget it.

I'm going to go check the thread IncredibleMrE pinged us on for more discussion...

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JohnCocktoastin 6 points ago +6 / -0

I shall read and comment shortly.

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Susurro 5 points ago +5 / -0

No standing..... ok, then. Every fucking time. Election Fraud is above the law.

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far_away_trumper 9 points ago +9 / -0

I am guessing he was pressured by DeepState operatives.

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PorchLightOn 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is where I am too. Nothing else makes sense. This seems a complete reversal of his previous position from months ago.

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KitKatCat 5 points ago +5 / -0

Any word on what happened to the board members that were siding with Garland? I remember garland saying it might be hard for amero to dismiss when some of the defendants were okay with the inspection.

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PorchLightOn 4 points ago +4 / -0

I remember Garland saying that too; it seemed to be one of his reason for being optimistic about the future of the case. He implied that some of the Fulton County election board members (originally named as defendants, I think) had actually moved to wanting to see the forensic audit happen.

I haven't had much time yet to search out any reaction from Garland. If you come across helpful stuff, can you ping me? I'll try to do the same.

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KitKatCat 4 points ago +4 / -0

I will ping you if I find anything.

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Redditcensorsyouandi 5 points ago +5 / -0

"Failed to allege a particularized injury"

Death of democracy by those sworn to uphold it...

Those are my initial thoughts. Now Im wondering why Ive never heard of any action in Fulton until now that its shot down.

I wonder who the people are that brought this case, what evidence they have, and if there was any kind of forensic audit done there.

If so Im not aware.

Keep the pressure on AZ, this seems like bait to distract.

Thoughts?

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PorchLightOn 6 points ago +6 / -0

Garland Favarito's lawsuit began in December of last year, and has been making steady progress in court, winning battle after battle. There are two different sets of plaintiffs, and two attorneys. You can read about it here at the VoterGA website, scroll to the links under 2020 Fulton County Mail-In Ballot Inspection Case: https://voterga.org/legal-action/

My non-lawyer explanation: The basis of the case has been narrow and fairly simple; they wanted access to the paper absentee ballots in Fulton County, because of sworn affidavits from witnesses who saw ballots that looked to be counterfeit. They alleged that the existence of fake ballots denied voters their Constitutional right to due justice and equal protection under the law. Fake ballots take away the right for your own vote to be treated the same as others.

The goal of the lawsuit was to have Judge Amero grant access to the paper ballots for a forensic audit, and the plaintiffs have had a team of forensic document experts and volunteers in place for months.

The state and county have fought this case from the start. (Republican) SoS Raffensperger tried to shut the case down, alleging that looking at the ballots might infringe on voter privacy. But the attorneys for the plaintiffs have survived each legal challenge. Favarito has been saying the county and state had pretty much exhausted their legal ammunition to file motions for dismissal. He accepted the frustrating delays, but still thought discovery would be granted, likely in January.

For those who have been following every development in this case since December...this is an inexplicable letdown. It seems to confirm that the deep state can influence anyone, even a judge who seemed committed to doing the right thing, for the last ten months. Until today.

Forensic examination of the paper ballots in Fulton County would have confirmed what independent volunteer researchers have already uncovered, by looking at electronic images of Fulton Count ballots. Those volunteers and data experts found completely falsified ballot tally sheets, and ballots counted more than once. Raffensperger's audit to certify GA's election was a complete fraud. And I believe a forensic evaluation would have revealed evidence of counterfeit ballots that backed up the information coming out in Maricopa AZ.

So, in my opinion, the corrupt political machine has shut this down. They can't allow this to come out.

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Bigly2021 3 points ago +3 / -0

There has to be some way to challenge this. The initial "reccount" was proven to have included falsified numbers. How can they possibly refuse an investigation knowing that!?

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KitKatCat 4 points ago +4 / -0

I think they got to Amero or he just wants to be done with it. It seems he was heading that way after the last two hearings. The fact he argued in favor of Garland's side to dimiss before the hearing says a lot.

To add I'm not a doomer but I'm starting to feel like they have gotten away with the steal.

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PorchLightOn 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think they got to Amero, too.

The fact he argued in favor of Garland's side to dismiss before the hearing says a lot.

I've been so focused on Maricopa I'm losing brain cells. I know you follow this case closely. Can you help me understand this better?

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KitKatCat 5 points ago +5 / -0

During the last hearing Amero seemed to agree that the case was sound. He didn't question their standing. He said they had the right evidence. Garland even agreed that Amero was the best lawyer for them that day. The fact he stayed the case was confusing but he didn't say anything that pointed to him dismissing the case. Especially, like this when he set up another hearing. I think they got to him. This ruling doesn't make sense and its frustrating.

To be honest I never had much faith AZ would be the first domino to fall. I was worried they wouldn't find much. I never believed in the foreign hack angle or the fake china ballot angle. For me it seemed they had a massive ballot harvesting operation. dominion started looking dirty later to me.

GA and PA out of all the states in question seem to have the most blatant fraud. I believe those fake ballots suzy saw were real and I also believe the vote totals are off which is why Brad has to run a fraud audit. I believe the type of evidence we are looking for to over turn the election was going to be found in GA.

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PorchLightOn 4 points ago +4 / -0

OK, thanks, that what I remembered Garland saying too...that his own attorney, Harding, didn't even have to work hard in the last hearing, because Judge Amero was basically making his arguments for him! The only thing that worried me about that last hearing was Amero seemed to be looking for a way out, when he invited the counsel for (Raffensperger's office?) to find out if the state already had an investigation going on. Because, he didn't want to interfere in a state investigation. That seemed...abrupt, and odd. But Favarito implied they could prove at the next hearing that there was no conflicting state investigation ongoing; he didn't seem worried.

And yes. Why deny standing today, after setting up the next hearing for Nov 15? None of this makes sense to me. And I agree with you that the multiple accounts of witnesses seeing fake ballots would have proven to be correct.

David Cross made a statement a while back (the guy leading the volunteers group looking at the electronic FC ballot images.) He said that once Amero made the final ruling granting access to the ballots, the Fulton county building warehousing the ballots would burn to the ground.

I thought that was overly pessimistic at the time. I guess David Cross had a better understanding of Georgia politics than I did.

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KitKatCat 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yeah I remember David saying that as well. Its frustrating b/c I don't have hope for appeals. I want to be wrong but hopefully Garland can do a update soon. Garland does seem honest but I think Garland also still has a lot of trust in the system.

I'm honestly tired of them getting away with everything. There doesn't seem to be anyway to get justice.

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tom_of_rj_fame 3 points ago +3 / -0

Personal cowards. The are afraid of the brown shirts of the left. And also, most judges are appointed by the state legislature, and they don't want to look under the hood.

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Comanche 3 points ago +3 / -0

Sure looking a lot like we will not be able to vote or sue our way out of this mess...

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PorchLightOn 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pinging u/KitKatCat

Updating this thread, with a transcript of Garland Favarito's comments with L Todd Wood, in this 6 minute video: https://creativedestructionmedia.com/video/2021/10/13/io-episode-67-interview-garland-favorito-voterga-org-on-judge-amero-election-fraud-case-dismissal/

Garland Favarito: It was quite a shock this morning. The bottom line is the citizens of Georgia have a right to know if there were counterfeit ballots injected into the Fulton County election results, how many were injected, where they came from, and how we can prevent this from happening in future elections.

It’s not adequate for any organization to secretly tell us that there are no counterfeit ballots, and then refuse to let the public inspect them. That’s not acceptable. We were prepared to present concrete evidence of our allegations on Nov 15, and to refute the false claims made by attorneys who were not under oath. It appears we will not get the opportunity to do that now.

The public may not ever get to know the truth.

(Wood: Options for appeals? Remedies?)

Favarito: We will appeal on multiple grounds. We will do that almost assuredly. Unfortunately this is a significant delay, so it puts the impetus on the legislature to act. Somebody needs to see these ballots in Fulton County. We’re not going to give up, it’s up to the legislature to act to audit them. We’ll be pushing the legislature and the Governor in the meantime, while we’re executing the appeal route.

(Wood: You have another case; can you update?)

Favarito: Our case is VoterGA vs the state of Georgia. We’re seeking to ban the Dominion Democracy Suite System, on the grounds the votes are accumulated in QR codes that the voter cannot read. The court has already ruled it’s in violation of 2 GA statutes. We are simply asking for the relief that the courts have already ruled on. We are waiting for the next hearing to be announced.

(Wood: In the last hearing with Judge Amero, it went off the rails because the attorneys for Fulton County represented false info to the judge and the court. Will you file any complaints against those attorneys?)

Favarito: I don’t know; the decision that the judge made today was made not based on any of the reports that he got; not based on any of the things the attorneys said. It was based on what they call a particular injury argument. The judge tried to say that we don’t have a particular injury.

Our attorney, Todd Harding, explained that in court, saying there are two sets of classes. We are in the class whose votes were diluted by the counterfeit ballots, and the other class was benefited by the counterfeit ballots. And that is a particular injury. So somehow the judge is saying that’s not. I don’t understand that argument, but we’ll be looking at that more deeply. It doesn’t seem to hold water to me.

Ironically, the decision was based on that, and if that’s the decision the judge wanted to make, he didn’t even need to have a hearing. The last thing was irrelevant, because he could have made that decision all along. We are going to appeal, and the Dominion case is still alive.

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KitKatCat 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you for the ping. Garland also talked with marcus dee. I havent had a chance to listen to the whole thing yet.

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PorchLightOn 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, glad you found that other interview too with Marcus Dee, Nick, David Cross, and others. I'm only about half way through that one, but I thought Garland sounded a bit more determined (more like his old self) in that one from later in the day. I think the one I transcribed above was earlier and he was still dealing with the news.

I'm sure this is pretty hard on Garland; I hate it for him. He's got a cough lately too.

For others, the link is here: https://nickmoseder.locals.com/upost/1171596/voter-georgia-case-dismissed-garland-favorito-david-cross

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KitKatCat 2 points ago +2 / -0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmUjUXjc7AM another update from Garland.

Garland says they have to appeal within 30 days. So we should see that happening soon. Garland also believes the Judge wanted to get rid of the case for political reasons. Which really really sucks.

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PorchLightOn 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thanks so much. I have too many irons in the fire today, and missed this. Will watch for sure in just a bit! Not too surprised about the dismissal for political reasons, and it does really suck. (This one still hurts.)

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KitKatCat 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, I wonder if the fall out from the AZ audit (the media spin) as well and the committee hearing was too much. As much as I hate to admit we aren't winning the election fraud narrative in the MSM, which I'm sure the judge follows. It sounds like it would take months and thats if we get a favorable appeal.

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PorchLightOn 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wonder if Amero just got cold feet about being "The Judge" that finally brought GA election corruption into the sunlight. I suppose, depending on GA politics, it could be the end of his judicial career?

I thought there was a glimmer of hope when Favorito said he thinks they have a good chance of winning the appeal, and that they'd land back in Amero's court. Sounds odd, but he said this happened to VoterGA with another judge, and that judge acted completely differently the second time they were in his court, and ended up giving them a landmark ruling. I don't know what to think.

Interesting that VoterGA maybe back in front of the public with a presser sometime in the next few weeks, about discoveries they've made from looking at the ballot images from many other GA counties. Maybe GA is too corrupt to have much of a win for voter integrity there, but any shocking revelations of fraud that Garland can put in front of the national media might help efforts in other states.

I guess I'm having a strange bubble of forced optimism, for some reason. LOL. Don't worry; it'll probably be gone again by morning. ;-) Trudging onward...

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KitKatCat 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah cold feet sounds about right. I think they could win the appeal but I don't think I can force myself to be too optimistic. I do think Garland can win his dominion suit. I mean they basically already have they just need a judge to grant relief.

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KitKatCat 2 points ago +2 / -0

He does sound a bit more like himself but its also obvious this will take a lot more time. I have a feeling unless some "bombshell" info comes out that can't be ignored by the system we won't get any movement for a long time. Which makes me sad. Garland did say they will have another press conference. I'm looking forward to it but I would like for it to lead to something happening.