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swutalk 105 points ago +105 / -0

I thought we already knew this a while ago?

Goldsteinbergsky 46 points ago +46 / -0

Ikr? Criminally-run Company Engages in Criminal Activity - News at 11

swutalk 42 points ago +42 / -0

Thats why a bunch of people left Amazon a while back. Amazon's MO was to monitor successful products and steal the product/idea from the small business and eventually get rid of the small business. They did this to a huge number of people on their site.

AussieTrumpFan 15 points ago +15 / -0

And it's either that or the Chinesium swamping the site. It's like wish.com and alibaba.cn had a night high on thalidomide and abandoned the baby that became Amazon's marketplace.

SnowflakeJuice 2 points ago +2 / -0

Don't trust any warranty on Amazon. Of 50% of the sellers are Chinese with no office in the U.S.

Amazon assures returns in 30 days, after that, your SOL

And product liability? Non existant with Chinese sellers. Unbelievable that it is allowed in the U.S.

DefenderDad 6 points ago +6 / -0

That was in part to AWS as their primary bit. This is on the physical side. So now it is obviously a corporate policy everywhere

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peniscockdickschlong 15 points ago +15 / -0

They gave Bezos the CIA cloud storage contract for a reason.

ChelseaHubbell 4 points ago +4 / -0

Bezos is a glower, no need to sell crack to the hood if you can take everyone's profit

Gonzotron5000 1 point ago +2 / -1

Why is it criminal to promote yourself?

KickingPugilist 1 point ago +1 / -0

Promote yourself after stealing successful items and ripping them off via Chinese imitations? Assuming Amazon itself funds and benefits from the knock offs.

Dictator_Bob 19 points ago +19 / -0

We did. And,


That's a war cry so far as I am concerned. We need the largest trust busting effort in world history.

BidenLikesMiners 18 points ago +18 / -0

This. Amazon lets you sell on thier site, then when your store gets successful, they buy the product from under your store, suddenly your supplier is unavailable to you and Amazon miraculously developed the same exact product and sells it for 10 whatever less than yours was.

They do it over and over, makes me want to slap everyone who shops there for OMG MUH DOGHOUSE WAS 5 DOLLA OFF compared to american made. Buying through amazon is making china great again.

vegeta_ban 11 points ago +11 / -0

Happened several times to things my family business sells. I’m ready to pull the plug.

gustodog 15 points ago +16 / -1

Once they started selling their own Amazon branded stuff it was pretty obvious that they're not content to remain a middle man.

newrandomperson 7 points ago +8 / -1

They really are still the middle man. They just get more of the middle. It's not like Amazon is actually making anything. They just go to the factory that makes the products and pays them the make Amazon branded products that are just like the ones they are copying. Same factories, different stamp.

Allister 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yep, no different than every other retailer that has their house-branded generics... These house-branded products are generally from another company that specializes in house-branded products for retail aka a knock off company that will slap any name you want on their package for a fee and a guarantee to buy whatever volume...

Amazon actually has an interactive map where they show you where their stuff is made... Surprising a lot of it is sourced from the US, but not surprising a vast majority by far is still sourced from Asia...


left_reddit_for_this 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yep, Costco does this too.

Allister 3 points ago +3 / -0

Aldi made an entire business model of it...

newrandomperson 1 point ago +1 / -0

There is one brand, maybe Listerine or Crest, or some dental care brand that states on their packaging that they DO NOT produce products for other labels. Which is interesting. But, yeah, "Amazon" brand is just like whatever other store brands, and is often the cheapest quality possible.

Allister 1 point ago +1 / -0

and is often the cheapest quality possible.

I have found they aim more for the center of the road with their branding, we get our toilet paper and paper towels (their Presto! line) from them and for the price with free delivery, you really can't beat it... They also had an enzyme cleaner they sold by the gallon that was some of the best I have ever found, they have been out of stock for a while and I have tried several name-brand ones and none compare even though they are more costly... Can't say much about their other 1001 products as we have not tried them but their paper towels and toilet paper are worth it...

newrandomperson 1 point ago +1 / -0

I try to avoid Amazon as much as possible. But, I do know that their locks are terrible (thanks to Lock Picking Lawyer).

MawaDeBlanco1 1 point ago +1 / -0

many brands are made by the private label company, and it is just a brand, no manufacturing. it's all contract work. so they can say they don't produce products for other labels, because they don't even produce their own product...been in this business for 30 years. brand names get bought and sold more often thand you would believe.

newrandomperson 1 point ago +1 / -0

I believe that. Manufacturing and selling products have become so disconnected from each other. I'm sure what Amazon would LOVE is just to become the front man for Chinese factories. That would be their ideal world.

PatriotPirate 2 points ago +2 / -0

There's an entire ecosystem of amazon courses and sellers openly talking about reverse engineering other sellers source of manufacture, then approaching those manufacturers to setup a competing supply contract.

When I saw that I realised it was a zero sum game for all amazon sellers, or for that matter, any seller of any product susceptible to the same cloning.

I didn't realise amazon was doing this under their own branding.

SnowflakeJuice 1 point ago +1 / -0

Difference is the other companies data is not 100% accurate. A lot of guessing involved. Amazon is the only one with all the data

FightTheSWAMP 11 points ago +11 / -0

Came here to say this. I watched the congressional hearing where this was pointed out. It was acknowledged then that Amazon would demand 3rd parties provide them with their specs and marketing information...which they would then in turn use to put many of them out of business. Republicans didn't real do a damn thing about it.

swutalk 3 points ago +3 / -0

republicans.. lol.. bahahah. What exactly are those?

Destineed369 1 point ago +1 / -0

Non existent.

swutalk 1 point ago +1 / -0

ok a handful. rest are RINOs or just corrupt

Somniac 46 points ago +46 / -0

I think this has been known for a while. Their AmazonBasics line is literally them using small businesses to find out what is popular then copying the product (sometimes buying the small business).

WhiskeyDreams 22 points ago +22 / -0

ITS WORSE. Amazon also cuts out sellers by finding popular products and going to their distributors. I have a client who almost lost their business because of Amazon double crossing them.

Toohershat 15 points ago +15 / -0

We've known this for years and suspected it for two decades. Amazon's argument is that it's their website, so it's not a public forum and they can do what they want.

dontdrinksoy 4 points ago +4 / -0

We've known this for years and suspected it for two decades. Amazon's argument is that it's their website, so it's not a public forum and they can do what they want.

Do any of these politicians remember their anti-trust laws? Remember when they tried breaking up Microsoft? But now they're sucking all the big corporate dick.

Prussian_Pepe 3 points ago +3 / -0

We are living in a nation were the laws are only enforced on the lower class. Corporations, government employees, the elite are all immune, unless one falls out of line, then they have to be made an example off. But the rules and laws haven't been applied equally in a long long time. Double standards, no justice, and the system isn't gonna fix itself on it's own.

FireannDireach 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yep. Someone I know bought a dual arm monitor stand, that's like half the price of the leading competitor, that's branded Amazon Basics. And looking at it, it's well built. Or, as good as anything else made in China.

dontdrinksoy -1 points ago +1 / -2

Yep. Someone I know bought a dual arm monitor stand, that's like half the price of the leading competitor, that's branded Amazon Basics. And looking at it, it's well built. Or, as good as anything else made in China.

I hate Amazon, and Jeff Bozos, but TBF to Amazon, they're taking advantage of companies that are cheapskates that won't hire Americans to make their products. So, fuck 'em both.

ThundrGatti 1 point ago +2 / -1

The majority of people seem to have this idea that all companies are just passing up on American made, right there available at their fingertips. This is not reality. If you're Nike, sure, you own your own factories and you can locate them wherever you choose. Most small to medium sized brands don't own multimillion dollar factories. They develop the brand and the product ideas and they have to find a factory to make it for them. Whether you like It or not, most production is in China. You can't just go make whatever you want in the US. You have to find a factory working with similar materials and convince them your product would be worth the machinery or retrofitting. In China, factories are already making any possible product you can dream up. Politicians like Joe Biden did this, not small business owners being cheap. If you own a brand that and you have a cool idea for a stainless steel water bottle, guess what? You're getting it made in China, period. It's not happening here. There are thousands of products and materials like this. Do people think when a brand starts up they just take millions of dollars and start building production facilities?

MrAndersonMAGA 24 points ago +24 / -0

I find it funny that most of their quotes/papers are from 2020-2021. I worked at a small "Home Depot"-like business selling tools and such online back in 2009. We used Amazon to warehouse and deliver a lot of stuff. Every time something became popular, all of a sudden there was an Amazon version or equivalent direct stock product by Amazon.

Thep1mp 9 points ago +9 / -0

Exactly. You take the risk, market the product etc…. Amazon knows exactly what they are doing. Shifting risk to others and taking profit where they can.

airborne3502 24 points ago +24 / -0

Sounds like something the CCP would do.

Wolverine 13 points ago +13 / -0

Where do you think those products are being sourced?

Captain_MAGA 11 points ago +11 / -0

This is something most people dont understand. Try and find a single product not made in china on there, you might want to take a seat because your gonna be searching for a while.

FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

Some things, like computer/AV cables, it's literally impossible to find any made unless it's extraordinarily overpriced audiophile stuff - but that kind of thing has been made in Asia for decades and decades.

Gonzotron5000 1 point ago +1 / -0


They're not real specific about where the parts come from but assemble is done in US.

The site is the same since I've been using them around 2005 iirc.

mikejones 1 point ago +1 / -0

I started a new job in IT where I touched a lot of stuff. Just about nothing IT related is made in the USA.

The few things that seem to be made in the USA are extremely overpriced but I just say the quality is good :)

airborne3502 2 points ago +2 / -0

Point taken.

justice_will_prevail 16 points ago +16 / -0

Why am I not surprised.

Bezos the bald headed bastard.

MohaveSkipper 12 points ago +12 / -0

Well, since Bezos is a buttboy of China, of course that's what they've been doing! China copies and steals.

TRforAmerica 7 points ago +7 / -0

This is what they've done for years. Amazon sellers are the R&D. When they succeed, Amazon steals their product.

Thep1mp 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yup. Shift the risk off of themselves and take the benefits when the risk has been minimized

AngryCitizen 7 points ago +7 / -0

I ran a million dollar business on Amazon before the arbitrary algorithm shut me down.

The policies at Amazon are as lopsided as you would imagine when dealing with the largest business on earth.

It’s enforced by retarded AI and overwhelmed $2/hour international Virtual Assistants.

Amazon is a giant machine that grinds you up and doesn’t even notice.

Rucktoe 6 points ago +6 / -0

Interestingly enough, amazon gave me a refund recently on an item I bought 3 years ago because they found out it was a fake.

I just thought that was odd.

Ed_Ward 6 points ago +6 / -0

"Dude it's just a private business running their platform the way they want, if you don't like it just sell your stuff on another multi-trillion dollar shopping website."

sciencebeforegod 6 points ago +6 / -0

So Amazon is China?

HeadHoncho 5 points ago +5 / -0

Amazon's business model funnels more money to China than any other business on earth, I would imagine.

Conveniently, Covid came along - from China - shut down tens of thousands of stores all over the country, and gave Amazon record profits.

dagoat4l 5 points ago +5 / -0

This is old and not a secret. But Amazon, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Disney, etc needs to be broken up. We also need ISP choices. Protection against banking refusing your services. Many people have been banned from certain banking platforms for what they believe. Then they couldn't slience people as easy.

__I_dindu__nufin_ 4 points ago +4 / -0

I even warned Amazon about this shit.

Look up "Viking Arm" jack. Search for it on Amazon and you get nothing but patent-infringing rip-offs.

I called Amazon customer service to report it and they said they would look into it, but of course they did nothing.

Emperor_Trumpatine 4 points ago +5 / -1

Amazon's own game is called New World (Order).

Gmelindag 3 points ago +4 / -1

I cannot believe for the life of me why anybody still order anything from Amazon they are the embodiment of the CCP! Every penny you spend on Amazon is taking the food out of children’s mouths in America!

MakinBacon 3 points ago +4 / -1

I dunno, I will support the crap out of companies copying innovative or useful chinese products, fair is fair.

d_bokk [S] 14 points ago +14 / -0

There's no such thing as an "innovative" Chinese product.

MakinBacon 2 points ago +3 / -1

I admit, I had a hard time thinking of an example, but I do think turnabout is fair. It's also unlikely to find a chinese product that isn't a knock off of an already patented product, pretty much the same thing.

Seatacjoe 3 points ago +3 / -0

Remember the rat traps garbage can with a tip lid? All these Chinese brands popped up and Amazon wouldn't remove them.

GhostOfMyFormerSelf 3 points ago +3 / -0

"Amazon Basics"

Widely known

NazisWereSocialist 3 points ago +3 / -0

Amazon IS the government, Bezos has an office in the pentagon FFS

Bluefish99 2 points ago +2 / -0

Got a source?

Session_Terminated 2 points ago +3 / -1

Amazon Basics. They up the quality just slightly better than the copies product and lower the price just slightly.

I own a bunch of the UPS's for my laptops and desktops, and security reliant lights and etc.

Work well.

It's fucked up. But it's replacing one Chinese product with another at the end of the day.

trump2020always 2 points ago +2 / -0

I sell brand new magazines on amazon and for years they have requested my distributor name every 6 months or so. I've refused to tell them and simply say I buy second hand copies from book stores. I might have a conspiracy theory but I used to sell $2k a week and now im down to maybe $100 every 2 weeks. Yes I get its a dying media source but with my prices and product I honestly believe there's foul play going on

someoldcoderguy 1 point ago +1 / -0

There is foul play. When you list a product on Amazon, they go and try to source it themselves and then undercut the original seller. I worked at a Retail/Wholesale company many years ago that stuck their toe into the Marketplace. It is a total scam.

Wakenbake 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thats some China level shit

AZ-is-the-key 2 points ago +2 / -0

Costco does this too. They see what sells and then they copy it, almost right down to the packaging, then stop carrying the named brand for their Kirkland brand. I guess grocery stores do to an extent with store brands

skidplate 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is the new corporate strategy. See: Wegman's grocery stores. Popular products disappear from shelves and only Wegman's brand of that product is available.

Junionthepipeline 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wegmans products are the only generic stuff I ever seen that is as good or better than name brand.

Xahnel 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hell, I saw this live. Someone invented an amazingly simple and effective mousetrap, and put it on amazon, and within a week, there were thousands of listings having stolen the design. All the stolen ads were being boosted by Amazon while the original American inventor was shafted.

PepeAmericusMaximus 1 point ago +1 / -0

This has been happening for years...

acidburn 1 point ago +1 / -0

hell, you can just look at some product, go on ali express or alibaba and find a manufacturer that will sell you some with your brand name on it. i could buy a bunch of chinese made "Acidburn" guitars if i didn't mind trashing the good 'Burn name

Sexual_Assault_Rifle 1 point ago +1 / -0

Was anyone confused that this wasnt happening?

XlDEN 1 point ago +1 / -0

That’s exactly what I would do if I owned Amazon.

Meddlesom 1 point ago +1 / -0

Who would stop you? Nobody.

hazelknut 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is surprising to you?? Really?

FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

Dance with the devil...they're playing the game Costco perfected years ago.

johnqpublic864 1 point ago +1 / -0

And they'll continue to do so

SoldierofKek 1 point ago +1 / -0

These assholes are worse than Walmart

Txiribiton 1 point ago +1 / -0

Super old news, nothing happened because politicians are corrupt.

MaverickRobot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Long known

Crappydatum 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh but he flew William Shatner into space so Bezos must be a good guy… in Minecraft

someoldcoderguy 1 point ago +1 / -0

You mean that guy from Boston Legal? SMH 🤡🌎

mushmouf 1 point ago +1 / -0

This has been known for a looooonnnngggg time.

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RiffFantastic 1 point ago +1 / -0

I thought this was obvious.

SilverBackTrump 1 point ago +1 / -0

Anyone who has used Amazon in the last few years knows this and they also know that there are so many Chinese copycats on Amazon now that sometimes the actual product you want isn’t even on the first search page.

Bezos really is Lex Luther.

TheKeknadian 1 point ago +1 / -0

I thought it was China thst did it ALL

wolfsettler 1 point ago +1 / -0

On the RARE occasion I actually BUY something from Amazon, It's NEVER an Amazon Basic product and ALWAYS a name brand made in America or a brand that can be tracked to a reasonable country and manufacturer. The ONLY thing I EVER purchased that was made by Amazon itself is dog shit bags, but considering the fact that I live part time in NYC and my neighborhood has turned to shit, I now never actually pick-up my dogs crap... Unless it's to smear it on the seats of the public use bicycles they have cluttering up the sidewalk that cause so much trouble.

wolverineTEDDY 1 point ago +1 / -0

Uh, sellers on Amazon have known this for what? 4 - 5 years?

The FTC chair wrote her PhD or Masters thesis on Amazon's anti-trust violations.

Word on the streets is the will get fucked with around 2023-2024.

hilboggins 2 points ago +2 / -0

Longer. Been going on since before I worked for a company that sold on amazon. That was 2010.

Back then Ali Baba wasn't offering services to the USA.

Back then Amazon just contacted your manufacturer and bought all their stock AFTER they saw YOUR SALES doing well to cut you out.

After Ali Baba and the "counterfeit" crack down. All the national brands left the platform and third party started rebranding the counterfeits to sell as a private label.

This is when Amazon Basics came in. Follow the same business model of rebranding the cheap counterfeits and selling under the Amazon Basics label.

wolverineTEDDY 2 points ago +2 / -0

True. Really upon Amazon Basics/Operation Dragonboat, it's been a platform for the Chinese. It really was unleashed around ~2014, even if existing prior a little bit.

Now, in 2021, something like 80% of the sellers signing up and transacting are located in China -- and 90%+ of the larger new sellers are Chinese.

I used to work for Amazon corporate. Got rich.

I've been a seller on the platform since 2009. Got richer.

Ultimately, you have to realize that Amazon is incredibly powerful -- not subject to our fair trade laws -- and is 'bigger than US Steel'. Bezos got inbed with the government long ago. It will be hard to detangle.

hilboggins 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yup. Cuz that time prior to 2014 was the issues with counterfeits and FBA.

If 10 FBA sellers were selling the same product from the same manufacturer, one seller could be selling a counterfeit and send it for FBA. The counterfeits got stored with the real items and Amazon couldn't tell who sent the counterfeit that was getting sourced off Ali Baba and such.

So they ended up striking everyone on the listing when complaints came in.

When that happened, the manufacturers and distributors specially were having difficulty getting documentation for their sellers and many just got kicked off.

The counterfeitters just pivoted into rebranding the item and selling it as is, and it sold because the real items were removed, it was far cheaper and a couple paid for reviews to get traction.

That's when people started flocking to Ali Baba and other chinese manufacturers to get private label products to sells.

Symko 1 point ago +1 / -0

I mean....this is what China does? Wow! people were THAT asleep?!

meanwhileinamerica 1 point ago +1 / -0

No shit. Amazon Basics, sucks, never by em.

user365927285937 1 point ago +1 / -0

Been like this from the beginning. They also undercut ANYONE who sells a trending product of they can source the same product

pelosi-led_coup 1 point ago +1 / -0

How very CCP of them

throwaway777 0 points ago +2 / -2

Why does this surprise anyone? Everyone would do this if they were in position to do so as well. You do business on someone else's platform, expect them to copy the most successful users of that platform.

TrumpIsMyyPresident 0 points ago +1 / -1

Of course they did...their website.....