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Fresnor 112 points ago +114 / -2

He still instigated all these mandates even if he didn't sign anything. You can be arrested for instigating a riot even if you don't participate in one, so how is this any different?

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POTUS_DonnieJ 63 points ago +63 / -0

Psychological terrorism and extortion. Beijing Xiden is holding the country hostage without officially holding the country hostage.

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Tenspot20 24 points ago +24 / -0

No, no, it's official terrorism.

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Farage_massage 32 points ago +32 / -0

THE MANDATE IS THE FEDERAL MANDATE FOR CONTRACTORS (and Federal employees), NOT the “100+, OSHA” mandate.

Either way it’s wrong, but let’s be accurate.

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myswedishfriend 29 points ago +29 / -0

Exactly. There IS a mandate and it affects one third of our entire workforce. Yet everyday around here it's "hurr durr there's no mandate."

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Forgototherpassword 4 points ago +4 / -0

Like the Comernity vaxx the FDA approved despite still being experimental (Nuremberg) and unavailable?

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JohnCocktoastin 1 point ago +2 / -1

People are incapable of logic. It is worse than you describe. Ya they still refuse to read English. But then they say "ya except its illegal so it doesn't exist." Oh. I guess 80+% of the laws out there don't exist too eh? Brilliant thinking. Can tell that to the guy inserting the mop handle in your anus in the prison laundry.

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JohnCocktoastin 11 points ago +11 / -0

I could use your own idiocy against you here. The OSHA one only affects workers who choose to be prostitutes for larger labor forces at the expense of small mom and pop businesses. Fuck over 100 employee businesses.

Sounds brilliant, right? Next time you have a thought, let it go.

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BeefyBelisarius 4 points ago +4 / -0

They're considering any company that sold something to the feds to be contractors, dipshit.

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apathy_meh 3 points ago +3 / -0

They are going more than initial contractors. If a Federal contractor sub-contracts & they sub-contract. The end guy doesn't even work with the government but is still required to abide by mandate. It's pernicious.

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

Very few large corporations have avoided, 'whoring' themselves. You are correct in assuming government cannot do anything for itself and is thus far more dependent on private and public held companies than it will admit, even too itself. Especially in the transportation industry. But you are grossly underestimating the number of people affected by the gov mandate and grossly underestimating shareholder awareness and give a shit regarding same.

The boards and the CEOs of public held companies will do anything to avoid rocking the boat, to include jabbing employees. It's the only thing those smoothbrained retards can think of to keep a stock price from falling.

Much of the airline drama comes from the Civil Reserve Air Fleet, CRAF. It was understood during the cold war that it would not be possible to transport enough military people and stuff fast enough to halt a Soviet drive on the Fulda Gap, using only military owned assets.

The CRAF was formed as a contingency to mobilize civil aviation assets in an emergency. As far as I know the biggest (and perhaps only?) instance of the CRAF being mobilized was during desert shield in 1990. The buildup prior to desert storm which kicked off in Jan of 91.

(People conveniently forget that a big chunk of what was intended for use against the soviets, got used on Iraqi forces, that and stopping ground forces short of crossing the Euphrates and entering Baghdad is why the casualties that first time around were so lopsided. Add to it a more controlled media coverage and people get vastly different impressions of the first Iraq war vs the second.). Anyways, back the regularly scheduled programming:

Airlines who participate in the CRAF get a small kickback for maintaining the capability and demonstrating it on occasion. The real money, or shall we say the real loss would be getting left out of a real mobilization. That would likely coincide with a downturn in commercial travel revenue.

Another issue is that all airline tickets for military personnel and dependents being transferred between duty assignments are purchased from civilian airlines in bulk and then scheduled and used internally. Even overseas flights to bases in Europe and Asia. Only if safety/security is a concern or for training purposes are people shuffled around on military transports. Even a lot of GWOT unit deployments were done using charter flights on operators such as ATA and Omni International (no CRAF mobilizations that I'm aware of.)

It's a deep feeding trough and nobody wants to be left out. Unfortunately, the dummies haven't figured out just how much leverage they have against the government run feeding trough in these matters.

The first issue was largely the airlines offering to help if world war 3 broke out. The second was initially the government implementing a cost saving measure, both have become leverage the gov can use against large corporations.

Actual fascism as implemented in 1930s Germany. Hitler was appointing monopolies and throwing government money around. Also punishing corporations that didn't play ball. It's a big stick during economic uncertainty.

Which brings everything back to small privately owned companies being the safe bet right now for employee rights. Because nobody in big company chains of command give two shits about employees, nor do they have reason to.

Which is why all of this is happening. They are picking off the opposition in groups people will refuse to help, because they are 'government whores'. They can't beat us all at once but can isolate and defeat groups untill control has been established over the majority.

Do not let fed employees be cut from the heard and slaughtered. Cute as it may be to call them gubbermint whores and leave them to the wolves. It's wrong to abandon anyone who wishes to maintain bodily integrity and make their own medical decisions. Take the easy path on this one and you'll have zero allies left in gubbermint when it's your turn. And they'll just be returning the favor to people who left them in a lurch.

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Odinius -1 points ago +1 / -2

Can you link the federal mandate?

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CensoredByMarxists 4 points ago +4 / -0

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/contracting/2021/09/biden-administration-gives-federal-contractors-until-dec-8-to-comply-with-vaccine-mandate/ This is real and affecting millions, there are thousands of companies that do business with the federal government and this requires every single employee of any company with even a single contract that even just sells products and not services.

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Odinius -1 points ago +1 / -2

No I get that, I’m just curious where the executive order actually is. The actual signed law that people are claiming doesn’t exist, was asking if it does, for that specifically.

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H8speech 1 point ago +1 / -0

Look at the article. The EO is hot linked into it.

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Odinius 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh yeah I clicked it once, didn’t realize I had to click it twice lol.

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imnotdeadyet 1 point ago +3 / -2

But that mandate is not legal, so!

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Farage_massage 4 points ago +4 / -0

That may well be the case, and would need to be tested in court by an org will more balls than Southwest, but the point remains there is a Mandate.

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imnotdeadyet 2 points ago +2 / -0

Many states have already sued.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

But that mandate is not legal, so!

Yeah, because the law has been such a hindrance to every other instance of illegal fuckery these shit stains have indulged in.

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BeefyBelisarius 2 points ago +2 / -0

Neither is a ton of the other shit the feds do, but they keep doing it.

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I_Love_45-70_Gov 14 points ago +14 / -0

It's different because...communists

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GodSaveTheWest 12 points ago +12 / -0

You can be arrested for instigating a riot even if you don't participate in one, so how is this any different?

Because high level politicians are on a different level of the law than us peasants. Havent you noticed?

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GulagInmate1776 3 points ago +3 / -0

Two tiered justice. Rules for thee, not for me.

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Jimmyprawns 1 point ago +1 / -0

Riots?? Politicians have 'declare war' in their job descriptions. And it seems to have gone to thier heads. And oh yeah, seems the checks and balances meant to prevent the shittery that's happening right now has been broken. And if that shit ain't broke it sure doesn't seem to be doing much.

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Saltyminer11 2 points ago +2 / -0

He did.

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hillarysdildont 68 points ago +68 / -0

Why bother writing a law that can be legally challenged when our corporate elite globalist overlords will carry out his master’s bidding?

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Mrsattorney 12 points ago +12 / -0

Agreed. I'm amazed at the sheer stupidity and compliance I see every day, and it's mostly done for the sake of "convenience." If every employee fired off a letter to HR and requested liability coverage for death/harm from the "vaccines," this nonsense wouldn't have gone this far. People should also be notifying their HR depts that there is no FDA-approved vaccine in use in the US...many of them don't know this.

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OrangeElvis 12 points ago +12 / -0

Exsctly

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ScrewReddit 54 points ago +54 / -0

I hate to tell you this, but Biden did sign one. It's EO 14042: Ensuring Adequate COVID Safety Protocols for Federal Contractors. The SW Airlines CEO says they are a federal contractor and have to comply.

However, the EO itself doesn't specify vaccines. It states the following under the Covid safety protocols section:

This clause shall specify that the contractor or subcontractor shall, for the duration of the contract, comply with all guidance for contractor or subcontractor workplace locations published by the Safer Federal Workforce Task Force

So this vague EO gives a task force that no one's ever heard of awfully broad powers that need to be challenged in court - quickly.

Here are the Safer Federal Workforce Task Force guidelines:

https://www.saferfederalworkforce.gov/faq/vaccinations/

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TommyJarvis 23 points ago +23 / -0

From the FAQ:

A: Federal employees must be fully vaccinated other than in limited circumstances where the law requires an exception. In particular, an agency may be required to provide a reasonable accommodation to employees who communicate to the agency that they are not vaccinated against COVID-19 because of a disability or because of a sincerely held religious belief, practice, or observance.

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Farage_massage -3 points ago +1 / -4

Southwest arent federal employees they would say I’m sure.

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Haas 9 points ago +10 / -1

There a federal contractor

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IntergalacticWalrus 1 point ago +2 / -1

This wasn’t in the original contracts. This would only effect future contracts.

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CensoredByMarxists 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wrong, reread the order, it is retroactive to require mandates to continue any work under prior contracts.

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IntergalacticWalrus 1 point ago +1 / -0

Isn’t that a breach of contract? I mean legally you can’t do that without both parties agreeing.

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Jimmyprawns 1 point ago +1 / -0

In theory, but....

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JoeyBlowey 15 points ago +15 / -0

I swear, people keep parroting this point. A substantial number of businesses that would have been covered by the TBD OSHA rule are already covered by 14042.

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IvIA6A 12 points ago +12 / -0

The real travesty is any large company that does any sort of business with the federal government is then called a federal contractor who is then extending these mandates to all employees, regardless if they're working from home or on completely separate projects.

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powershellder 15 points ago +15 / -0

Yes. This is my situation.

We are not contractors. We do not perform work on behalf of the government.

We probably have a contract with the government that specifies that they purchase a set amount of goods from us at an agreed upon price.

That is not traditional contracting.

If I go to the store and buy a banana once a week, that does not mean the store works for me.

Plus, I work from home entirely and no reasonable “accommodation” has been provided to me. They are already demonizing religious exemptions.

It’s not about safety.

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mikejones 2 points ago +2 / -0

Exactly. I work in IT for a company that makes a product and the Government buys $2,000,000 / year worth of our product. Now I gotta get the jab or weekly testing if my exemption goes through.

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 2 points ago +3 / -1

Procurement of goods/services is excluded - it's in the EO

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Jimmyprawns 5 points ago +5 / -0

It's being interpreted that way by employers. For evidence just look at all the people getting rat fucked by this. That's the way all dem laws work. Oh it wont do that. Oh it wont affect so and so. In the end, it does all that and more, to everybody. Already forgotten about Obama care?

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RedditIsCommunist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Employers are cucks. Every employee needs to keep asking HR if their Employer’s Liability insurance covers injuries caused by mandated vaccination.

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HeavyVetting 3 points ago +3 / -0

Goes to show the danger of the government having its tentacles in so much of the economy. They think they can make people do whatever they want.

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RedditIsCommunist 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yep, it’s called fascism….. something the “anti-fascists” never bothered to learn about.

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

Especially when those people are conveniently ignorant of what leverage it gives them to push back against the government.

Unfortunately we are seeing the prisoner dilemma play out. They all want to cuck first and get the better deal.

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RedditIsCommunist 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thanks for actually doing the research.

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RahkeemTheMachine 11 points ago +16 / -5

That’s because it’s coming from OSHA not the White House. The rule is written their having meetings on it now

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BringTheCat789 15 points ago +15 / -0

The federal contractors/federal employee rule is from the White House in the form of an executive order.

The OSHA rule is separate and was pushed for by Biden and they're having their meetings on it now. I still don't believe it will ever come to fruition because it will be struck down hard as many state attorney generals have said they will fight it.

Additionally, there was never an OSHA rule requiring masks because they believed they couldn't do that. That wasn't for lack of desire: Biden campaigned on national mask mandates, and an OSHA rule would do just that. He said outright that he doesn't have that kind of authority.

Now ask yourself: what seems more like something that is "up OSHA's alley"? A piece of PPE being required while at the workplace or a medicinal shot being required by all employees?

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ATK69 7 points ago +7 / -0

The answer is the PPE. That being said OSHA has no footing to stand on with injections considering they sat on their hands and did jack shit for the millions of workers “forced” into wearing non approved face masks for 8 hour+ manual labor workdays. Im convinced they were paid off to keep their mouths shut for the masks and are now being paid off to force inject workers. Fuck OSHA (the organization not the idea).

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BringTheCat789 7 points ago +7 / -0

Exactly. And if OSHA didn't have the authority to implement a nationwide requirement for a piece of removable PPE, how the hell would they have the authority to implement a nationwide requirement for a permanent injection?

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RahkeemTheMachine 6 points ago +6 / -0

OSHA also has to produce actual evidence of “grave danger” if the mandate isn’t enforced. Good luck with that.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

Well... They do have a frightening percentage of the population convinced that a 99.9% survival rate is a grave danger. Too many people who don't see the risks in the vax but see a grim reaper in the coof, that's the problem and the reason they are currently getting away with this shit.

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RahkeemTheMachine 2 points ago +2 / -0

Most risk is in the retired group. How they’re gonna probe grave danger working at Dick’s sporting goods is fucking beyond me

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Jimmyprawns 1 point ago +1 / -0

We've seen these tools in action. They could 'prove' California was in a climate change induced drought if it was under four feet of water. Declare it on CNN and more than enough sheeple would accept it for it to become 'settled science.'. And woe to anyone brash enough to question it.

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RedditIsCommunist 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is why they keep “having meetings”. They can’t actually mandate anything given their legal restrictions so they know anything they write up will get demolished immediately.

So they’re just going to keep having jack-off meetings spinning their wheels to make it look like they’re doing what Biden asked them to even though it’s something they’re not capable of doing.

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RahkeemTheMachine 3 points ago +3 / -0

They’re just trying to get as many people force vaccinated as fast as possible before it gets shot down

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Butt_expert 1 point ago +1 / -0

Gotta keep in mind we're living in a reality where the CDC issued an eviction moratorium, and even when that eventually got struck down by SCOTUS they reissued a new one. Never assume something will have to make sense here.

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BringTheCat789 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, I absolutely know that they may try this, but I'm pointing out that Biden was too scared to even try to issue a nationwide mask mandate through OSHA, despite campaigning on that. Why didn't he do that? I really don't know.

Did he want to keep OSHA out of it, knowing that he was going to implement an overreaching vaccine mandate and didn't want to potentially set precedent?

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stick_in_the_eye 11 points ago +11 / -0

hes banking on the stupidity of people. a safe bet.

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ChynahIzAzzhole 9 points ago +9 / -0

Press Releases are not Law. Fuck Joe Biden.

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muppeton 9 points ago +9 / -0

This would explain why my company has been awfully quiet on the jab mandate. They know that at least or more than 50% of their employees aint gonna comply with this an we're critical to the already damaged supply chain. They don't wanna make any moves unless they have no choice but to.

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RedditIsCommunist 2 points ago +2 / -0

This would be the smart company thing to do. That is, not cuck out completely, not rush to suck Biden’s dick, and not try to follow some “law” or “regulation” that you think might exist one day but currently doesn’t.

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Somniac 8 points ago +8 / -0

Biden did issue an executive order for federal employees and federal contractors. Southwest Airlines helps deliver mail and such as a federal contractor.

Possibly unconstitutional? Yes, especially since it does not allow exceptions.

However, different situation from the private company non-mandate via OSHA’s non-order.

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JoeyBlowey 6 points ago +6 / -0

It explicitly highlights religious and medical exemptions which I highly recommend to those affected by EO 14042. Whatever your feelings on the matter, it's important to flood every fucking HR with these accommodation requests. It's going to be a clusterfuck for these companies who decide to mass deny accommodations and they'll rightfully be sued into the ground.

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +3 / -1

Unfortunately they get to decide what constitutes a valid exception. And guess what they've been deciding. Yup no such thing. Get it or walk . I'm all for fighting it and pushing every legal angle there is. Im against anything that involves resting on laurels because, "pfft, they can't do that!!". Being dismissive of this shit is dangerous.

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RedditIsCommunist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Have you asked HR if the employer’s Employer’s Liability insurance covers injuries due to forced vaccines?

I know one person reports getting an exception after asking HR to send a letter to their employment injury attorney accepting all liability for vaccine injuries due to the vaccine being forced on them over their explicit objection.

They ought to at least be told 1) this is your choice, not mine, because I explicitly object and 2) because it’s your choice you’re responsible for any harm caused by your choice the same as you would be with any choice you made about the work environment. And its reasonable to get this in writing. Sending them this from a lawyer by certified mail may also help if they refuse to acknowledge in writing.

Look for local community legal assistance organizations too if necessary.

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RedditStillSucks 7 points ago +14 / -7

Executive order 14042 is real. STOP this lying bullshit

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OrangeElvis 6 points ago +12 / -6

Airlines are NOT govt agencies just because they take govt money. They could refuse and sue. They don't, however.

Most of the 100+ employee corporations do NOT fall under that EO, so you can stop being a karen.

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Captain-D 7 points ago +7 / -0

That's not entirely true in the sense of how it's being interpreted by companies eager to mandate and move on. Companies are self-asserting that by having "a" federal contract somewhere in their business, that it thereby makes them a federal contractor. They're using a loophole/technicality to opt IN not OUT.

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Jimmyprawns 4 points ago +4 / -0

You can stop helping the opposition by not downplaying the danger of this shit and being dismissive of people who are rightly concerned and or currently being affected in the real world.

Oh yeah and fuck letting them track my 600 dollars. And who the fuck decided to draw the line at 6 hundred anyway?

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OrangeElvis 0 points ago +1 / -1

Surely you are not responding to me. And I agree 100% about the spying on our bank accounts.

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 4 points ago +4 / -0

READ THE EO! It CLEARLY says any business that has ANY contract with the government with very few exceptions are required to comply or lose the contracts.

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OrangeElvis -1 points ago +1 / -2

lose the contracts, then. but I would sue the govt over it. this is no different than POTUS requiring a government employee give up a kidney or bone marrow transplant to save a donor or lose their job. This is not a close call. It is tyranny over a citizens bodily autonomy.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is true, but only a fool would rely on the principles of a bought and paid for ceo to protect their rights.

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OrangeElvis 0 points ago +1 / -1

"rely"? I never said that. I said if I were CEO I would sue the shit out of the gov't and take it to SCOTUS. I would likely get fired because the last thing I would do is fire people for not taking this experimental drug.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

If you aren't counting on the current batch of CEOs to defend your rights, then my accusation does not apply to you, but to the others currently making rounds here who insist on dismissing the threat because they expect CEOs to ignore, and in some cases fight this. It is up to us to put more pressure on the upper echelons of the corporate world, ie the CEOs than the government currently is. They should fear us more than the government. Just like the government should fear us more than corporations, like say pill manufacturers.

Further, your clarification of what exactly you meant by "sue the government' and accurate prediction of where it would get you, further illustrates the point that years of eroding the meritocracy and installing tools in positions of authority purely out of convenience and or to virtue signal is coming home to roost. Sadly.

Too many of the best people for the jobs have been pushed out to pasture or overlooked entirely for some of the dumbest imaginable reasons. Perhaps we've past the point where its in good taste to wait our turn, when someone taps us on the shoulder and offers us a chance.

We need to gird our loins and start asserting ourselves. Follow trumps example, gain some confidence in ourselves, learn to ignore the judgment of corrupt traitors and learn to be the bull in a china shop they can't contain. Because Queensbury rules are most decidedly out the window at this point. They've already been provoked, avoiding that is a fools erand at this point. And besides, who wants to be a yellow bellied sonofabitch anyway? Certainly not us.

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RedditStillSucks 4 points ago +6 / -2

So it's a lie ..like I said...they are subject to EO 14042, because they are contractors.

"Okay you are correct but I think they should sue" - you

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dddjehcuuioe -4 points ago +3 / -7

mandates apply only to government employees. even then, this is coercion to participate in a medical experiment and still holds the death penalty. only laws apply to state Citizens.

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RedditStillSucks 9 points ago +10 / -1

Not true. The mandate applies to FEDERAL CONTRACTS.

STOP BELIEVING BULLCRAP JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO. IF YOU KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST MAKE BELIEVE CRAP. YOU WONT EVER WIN.

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Hambonemcgee 5 points ago +6 / -1

Isn't this just for federal employees, and contractors?

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RedditStillSucks 5 points ago +7 / -2

Airlines have federal contracts

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dddjehcuuioe -3 points ago +4 / -7

The employees are not federal contractors. they are defined as employees. show me their federal contractor paperwork.

would mandates even apply fed contractors? seems like that is pushing beyond what a mandate is for.

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RedditStillSucks 5 points ago +7 / -2

They work for a federal contractor. That's. How. It. Works.

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Jimmyprawns 4 points ago +4 / -0

show me their federal contractor paperwork

You don't seem to get it. The government is willfully overstepping it's bounds and getting away with it. Hence people being pissed. Saying "they can't do that." When they are clearly 'doing that' doesn't magically make this shit go away.

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RedditIsCommunist 0 points ago +2 / -2

So you challenged it in court already and know exactly how it applies?

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RedditStillSucks 1 point ago +2 / -1

lol. you can read the EO on-line

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RedditIsCommunist 0 points ago +2 / -2

Anyone can read it. The legality and applicability of it won’t be known until there are court challenges. I mean you do have some idea how the legal system works?

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RedditStillSucks 1 point ago +2 / -1

Does it exist? Yes or no? Is the post a lie yes or no?

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RedditIsCommunist 1 point ago +1 / -0

The tweet is using unclear language. By “private company” the guy probably intended to mean a private company with no government contracts. There’s no OSHA ETS yet but compliance consultants are saying stuff like this https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/osha-vaccine-mandate-standard-expected-7394359/

So it’s not a lie to say “no executive order for private companies”, it’s just misleading as to the complexity of the situation. Private companies can’t just be executive ordered to do stuff, so the closest you get is something telling OSHA to make an ETS which may not be legally possible.

So what it amounts to is: 1) no executive order for private companies with no government contracts because this isn’t legally possible to do directly, 2) an attempt at an “indirect” executive order telling OSHA to make an ETS which they haven’t done yet 3) OSHA ETS “looming large on the horizon” even though it may be impossible to enforce that legally 4) compliance consultants who are not actually general business risk analysis telling companies to just assume the ETS exists and so rush to suck OSHA cock immediately without preparing to challenge.

So 1) executive order doesn’t exist for non-govt-contract private companies because that’s impossible 2) executive order ordering OSHA ETS which hasn’t even been done yet much less survived legal challenges 3) OSHA ETS likely illegal due to lack of “grave danger”.

In summary, nothing exists yet for private companies >100 employees with no government contracts, just the threat “looming large” but likely illegal due to lack of “grave danger”.

Businesses have to weigh more than one risk. In this case, the risk of being targeted by government has to be compared with other business risks such as losing half of your employees and not being able to replace them, risk of religious/disability discrimination or injury lawsuits from employees, etc. The employee side of the risk is stupidly not being taken into account by some idiot companies who just rush to suck Biden’s dick at the first sign of trouble without considering the risks involved in doing so with no official rules in place yet and no court ruling on their legality.

So not a lie but misleading in its oversimplification.

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RedditStillSucks 1 point ago +1 / -0

No. Actually it is a lie.

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Vsid [S] -5 points ago +2 / -7

For federal employees and contractors, as for the OSHA crap, legally we’re probably gonna get Trump back in office before it ever reaches us

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shaven_llama 3 points ago +5 / -2

You dream. The OSHA rule will be published by Christmas.

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 3 points ago +4 / -1

Thanksgiving at the latest

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

Convenient time to hit people with a paycheck dilemma. I'm sure they expect minimal resistance.

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

trump back in office.

Two more weeks!!! Trust the plan!!!

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Vsid [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’m not “trust the plan”. I’m cognizant how long legal challenges can take and long things can get held up in the court system

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Im_shmmaaaaaat 6 points ago +6 / -0

I heard he's giving 400 bucks to employers for each employee they get vaxxed. If true, a lot of people have just been sold into slavery

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

Companies were incentivizing it the instant the vax was available. They saw it coming and wanted as many people bearing the mark as possible before a fight over it broke out. Lots of folks thought, "more convenient travel and some extra vacation days, stab me". Now that its turning out not to be such a great move, people are consoling themselves with, I get to keep my job either way, fuck em.

That whole thing about saying nothing when they came for the Jews, nothing when they came for the christians, nothing when they came for the xyz, then when they came for me there was no one left to say anything. That's the play they're running right now. And it's working too damn well.

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FluhanWu 6 points ago +8 / -2

I suspect "the mandate is not real" theory is another Q-style pacifier. If we believe the mandate is not real, in the mean time OSHA is actually working on writing up the documentation, then by the time it gets enforced it will be too late to act.

Questions I have: What can we do at this time to fight the mandate? What can we do to fight it once enforced? Is there a way our vaxed friends can help?

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myswedishfriend 9 points ago +9 / -0

There is a mandate already in place for federal contractors. This affects one third of the entire workforce. The vax due date is December 8. No, there is no OSHA mandate but that has led some to believe there is no mandate at all. Those of us affected by it are being largely ignored by our own side because of people derailing the conversation saying the mandate is fake.

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Butt_expert 1 point ago +1 / -0

There is an OSHA mandate being currently written. Biden signed an EO directing them to write a rule. This is how tons of EOs work. For whatever reason, non-mainstream media has started saying this means there is no OSHA mandate. Sure, today, but ignoring the fact that it's being written and making that seem like it isn't coming are just nonsense tactics. There are regular updates about progress from OSHA and they anticipate getting a draft back to the white house next week.

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powershellder -3 points ago +1 / -4

If OSHA is still writing it, that means it is not real yet.

They are basing their policies on guidelines that have not been released yet. They don’t know what these guidelines will say, etc.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just because you haven't been hit by the freight train yet, doesn't mean it isn't coming. If we can't back the people already under the train and get it stopped now. It's only a matter of time before it smashes the rest of us.

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powershellder 2 points ago +2 / -0

No, I agree with you.

I’m just saying that it’s true it doesn’t exist yet.

So companies are basing their guidance on rules they haven’t seen yet.

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Ep1ctetus 1 point ago +1 / -0

No, the EO for federal contractors exists. 14042 or something.

That hits a massive % of all U.S. employees of private companies (with even a ring $1 federal contract).

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Panopticon 6 points ago +6 / -0

It's moving forward. Plan accordingly.

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BringTheCat789 5 points ago +5 / -0

The real tell is their willingness to accept religious exemptions:

If a company is truly doing this just to appease the government's rules, they would readily accept religious exemptions with no questions asked. No where in any EO or other rule does it specify a standard for what qualifies as a religious exemption, or specify that employers must take it upon themselves to investigate religious exemption "requests."

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Captain-D 8 points ago +8 / -0

My husband got one easily, it seems like in his case the HR lady had been instructed to just rubber stamp it and bury it.

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BringTheCat789 3 points ago +3 / -0

As it should be.

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RedditIsCommunist 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yea that’s the thing. Smart companies will just be rubber stamping religious exemptions no questions asked. Medical exemptions are more of a problem for them because I think they’re required to identify a “disability” so they can “accommodate” it properly and they have to do more paperwork.

There is no reason for a company to go on a “science” jihad against religious exemptions unless they’re just branch covidians.

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BringTheCat789 2 points ago +2 / -0

Exactly. The other component is legal liability.

If the company does not enforce a vaccine mandate at all, especially if it's actually required by a government, then one of their employees gets sick, that company could be sued and, in today's clown world, would probably lose.

If the company enforces a vaccine mandate, but rubber stamps all religious exemptions, and the person who got sick and tries to sue knows how easy it was to get religious exemptions, it would be interesting to see who would win in that battle in court. They would have to argue that the company has an obligation to do due diligence in investigating religious exemptions before approving them, despite not having any official guidance from the body issuing the mandate on how to do so. Except in the most pozzed of courts, I don't think their case would be successful.

If the company enforces a vaccine mandate and highly polices religious exemptions, they're opening themselves up to all sorts of legal liability regarding discrimination. In today's clown world, these sorts of lawsuits somehow haven't started yet, or are incredibly well buried. It's possible companies have caught on to that fact, which is why they're so quick to police religious exemptions; something they wouldn't be caught dead doing in the past.

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hdhd66 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh yeah? What if someone from one of the jab companies gets hired to your board? And the company you work for is in the pharma space? Lol it’s happening this is fact.

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RedditIsCommunist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Then the company is “branch covidian” due to conflicts of interest.

Who said this couldn’t happen?

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hdhd66 1 point ago +1 / -0

No you’re right

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TaxDollarsHardAtWork 5 points ago +5 / -0

Isn't that guy on the WEF?

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thats the story I heard. The founder who made southwest what it used to be, passed away and was promptly replaced with this tool.

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Kano 5 points ago +7 / -2

It's theatre but companies are following it. So who gives a shit if it is theater when companies are already firing people. Unless these people have the right to sue the companies when the mandate doesn't come out who cares if it is theater.

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 4 points ago +4 / -0

The mandate for Fed Civs and Contractors is NOT theater. It was written, signed and implemented with key dates. I have already received contract modifications to include the required mandate clause for contractors on the project. Companies are complying whether they want to or not.

1000s of companies are impacted by this. I have friends that do NOT work in the public sector space but their company of 5k has a few that a dozen or so people support. They have been told ALL 5k have to get it.

IT IS REAL. STOP IT.

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DeathArrow 4 points ago +4 / -0

People still need to stand up for the new employees. Their next step will be to mandate vaccines in order to get hired in. The current employees still need to put a stop to that.

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's exactly what delta did a while back. Before any government mandates, they virtue signaled by announcing they would refuse any new hires who weren't stabbed. Makes me wonder what they're doing now in real life. Read an anouncement somewhere that Delta wasn't doing the Biden mandate, but does that mean theyre walking back the existing, 'only hiring stabbed people' BS?

The majors are only just now getting spun back up and bringing back people they furloughed when large scale and international travel stopped. This may be an exploitation of a purge opportunity. International travel is getting wierd with nations instituting vax requirements to enter their countries. Airlines who run international flights don't want crews they can't send overseas.

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LesboPregnancyScare 4 points ago +4 / -0

It wont come from Biden, its going to come from OSHA. The unelected technocracy is much better at overstepping legal boundaries while being unaccountable.

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

This. By the time it's in their court, the anti jab bureaucratic functionaries and those sympathetic to anti jabbers will have been purged. Branch covidians and those who allowed themselves to be violated will be all that is left in the alphabet agencies. They won't have any empathy for people who avoided the jab, they may even have strong resentment towards them and derive joy from doing to us what was done to them.

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Vashts1985 4 points ago +4 / -0

There is an EO for federal contractors.

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FightTheSWAMP 3 points ago +3 / -0

Someone needs to send a FOIA request. I'm certain the feds have reached out to them and probably promising them big bailouts if they force this shit. Most of these corporation aren't just doing this because they want to. Some yes. I think others are getting kickbacks if they do it.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

They are definitely responding to incentives. Which is precisely why we need to start leveraging incentives of our own. The corporations should fear us more than the government. Just like the government should fear us more than corporations. At the moment, international pill corporations, not beholden to any nation state and acting as sovereign nations of thier own seem to be exerting the highest degree of leverage against national governments as well as smaller corporations. We must outdo them if we are to retain any control of our government and any control of corporations through free market influences.

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SoldierofKek 3 points ago +4 / -1

Of course not. Its as Robert Barnes puts it an attempt to frighten and intimidate. They know the moment that any policy gets put into place they'll get swamped with lawsuits. Up until now the courts are recognizing religious exemptions which are very broadly defined. If I'm compelled I will tell them I will not take any vaccine that is tested on aborted fetal cells. I also hold the belief that my body is temple and I its my duty to take care of God's creation, which Is why I also don't smoke, chew tabacco, smoke marijuana or do recreational drugs of any type. Finally my Catholic faith teaches that informed consent its a sacred right which means I have the right to make my medical decisions without coercion. These beliefs are central to all faiths, so much so that pur country held the Nazis in such gross violation of God's law that we hung the Nazis. Then I'd flip it, so which side are you on? Americas side or do you agree with the Nazis?

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LtPatterson 3 points ago +3 / -0

Courts? What courts?

These socialist companies are more than happy and willing to kowtow to Biden while fucking over their employees.

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IntergalacticWalrus 3 points ago +3 / -0

Unpaid leave = fired

Quit playing games.

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Vsid [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Technically they’re classifying workers who are getting fired due to not getting vaxxed as “voluntarily quit”. Kinda puts those job numbers in a different perspective

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GuerillaYourDreams 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm looking for a roommate. Some dumb woman in her 40's wants a "vaccinated" roommate. Fuck these idiots. Seriously.

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WhatUCan 3 points ago +3 / -0

Sue them for Lible!!!

They can't say you quit if you didn't!!

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NorthernConservative 3 points ago +3 / -0

One of the biggest bait and switch games in years. It juked large companies into mandating the shot.

Now they're stuck on the pathway to forced boosters. Once the FDA follows the AdComm recommendation and it approves the booster next week, how can they allow J&J 1-shoters to still work since they will no longer be considered fully vaccinated??

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NotAnotherNPC 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hasn't signed waiver for military to be forced EUA jabs either but they're about to kick people out.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

This, the revolution is not beholden to rules or principles.

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cyberwar 3 points ago +3 / -0

the mandate is for government and contractors. the airline has contracts with the government.

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Zxc26 3 points ago +4 / -1

That's the reason he has those fake White House filming sets. He can lie there and he's not breaking any rules, in front of law. He's using all loopholes he can, just typical mafia moves, u can't believe he doesn't have any exit strategy after shit show he's creating.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

Or maybe the oval office has been filled with elder care shit they don't want us to see.

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 6 points ago +6 / -0

you do realize how many companies are federal contractors right....? Stop thinking "Defense Contractors" or companies in DC...I have friends in marketing, but their parent company has a few federal contracts e.g. they help host/run conferences and now the entire parent company and THEIR company (that has ZERO fed contracts) has to get the jab per the FEDERAL CONTRACTOR MANDATE (EO).

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Jimmyprawns 5 points ago +5 / -0

This, and it's beyond disturbing how easily some are advocating we toss the gov employees and contractors under the buss. Like that won't allow the government to set a dangerous precident and come after us next with even less resistance than they are facing now. Yeah let those other guys get stabbed, it's not like I'm next in line.

If we stop it here, we stop it before it gets any closer to the rest of us.

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Fractional 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ding Ding Ding ;) MY point was that the only thing that is available is the only thing that they can actually enforce legally... contracting.

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JimEagle76 3 points ago +4 / -1

They won't be fired, they will be put on unpaid leave.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

Assuming this is sarcasm but responding to it anyway

Fired==no more paycheck

Unpaid leave==no more paycheck

I'm not seeing a difference. Get stabbed or don't get paid is get stabbed or don't get paid.

Threatening another man's paycheck is the lowest form of coercion. Comprehending that may lead to an understanding of why this has upset so many people and a willingness to side with those actively fighting it. Biden obviously does not work for us.

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JimEagle76 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not sarcasm. They are playing a word game. Not fired, put on leave, they're weasels.

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 2 points ago +2 / -0

which is the same as being fired for those that idk...work for a living? wtf.

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Sylvester1212 2 points ago +2 / -0

The corporations do his evil bidding.

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DomTullipso 2 points ago +2 / -0

He won't because OSHA is going to handle it for him

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CensoredByMarxists 2 points ago +2 / -0

There is so much misinformation in here about the federal mandate for government contracts, I'm not even going to try to reply to them individually. Ironically those are the most upvoted not surprising since the entire thread is based on a complete misrepresentation of the situation. https://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/health-safety/1116144/vaccine-mandate-guidance-issued-for-federal-contractors-and-subcontractors

Covered Contracts As set forth in EO 14042, the vaccine mandate is applicable to the following types of federal government prime contracts and subcontracts (at any tier):

Procurement contracts or contract-like instruments for services, construction or a leasehold interest in real property; Contract or contract-like instruments for services covered by the Service Contract Act; Contract or contract-like instruments for concessions; and Contract or contract-like instruments entered into with the federal government in connection with federal property or lands and related to offering services for federal employees, their dependents or the general public. "Contract or contract-like instrument" is defined by reference to a broad definition set forth in the proposed rule regarding the federal contractor minimum wage recently issued by the U.S. Department of Labor, which includes, without limitation:

[A]wards and notices of awards; job orders or task letters issued under basic ordering agreements; letter contracts; orders, such as purchase orders, under which the contract becomes effective by written acceptance or performance; exercised contract options; and bilateral contract modifications.

Exclusions from Coverage As set forth in EO 14042, the vaccine mandate does not apply to:

Grants; Contracts, contract-like instruments or agreements with Indian tribes under the Indian Self-Determination and Education Assistance Act; Contracts or subcontracts whose value is equal to or less than the simplified acquisition threshold (currently $250,000); Employees who perform work outside the United States or its outlying areas, as those terms are defined in Section 2.101 of the Federal Acquisition Regulation; or Subcontracts solely for the provision of products Subcontracts solely for the provision of products does not square with the scope of the mandate, which does not appear to include any contracts solely for the provision of goods. While it is unclear whether further guidance on this issue will be forthcoming, absent such guidance, it likely is a reasonable good faith assumption that contracts solely for the provision of products are not within the scope of EO 14042. The answer may turn on whether any contract clauses mandating vaccines are incorporated into prime contracts solely for the provision of products.

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Decypher 2 points ago +2 / -0

But Abbott's is an EO 😉

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noonthirty 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good o'le sheep 🐑

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Cali_kid 2 points ago +2 / -0

He's hoping private companies will do it for him. Last or 2 weeka ago he did a press conference urging companies to do it.

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dirtymikeandthebois 2 points ago +2 / -0

He absolutely will sign it

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OrangeElvis 2 points ago +2 / -0

Su dance called this almost immediately. That dude is the best as far as I have seen.

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Captain-D 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol, I was like, who is this Su Dance person?

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OrangeElvis 1 point ago +1 / -0

Shit, sorry. BC post (before coffee). Sundance at Conservative Treehouse. Spell correct is a pain in my ass.

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buckiemohawk 2 points ago +3 / -1

He cant even pass a budget because of all the stupidity in the bill

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 4 points ago +4 / -0

The EO doesnt need to be passed..... people seriously do not understand the EO nor how many companies have at least ONE federal contract. It's closer to 50% of the entire country that's impacted with this ONE !!!REAL!!! EO mandate.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

This. It's a gross overstep of his authority, but, like so much of the recent democrat bullshittery, it isn't being challenged and is being readily complied with.

They should be catching unholy hell for even mentioning the idea outloud and should be back peddling and ceding ground to us to make amends. But that's not the way it's currently playing out. Pressure on all points. No peace deals, only complete and total defeat of the enemy and unconditional surrender. No half measures. No compromise.

If we can't draw the line here, we won't be able to draw the line anywhere.

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Smurfection 2 points ago +3 / -1

It was a press release. All this imposing of mandates is all about Biden speaking out of his ass again and then drawing up a press release to give his shit talking some sort of legitimacy.

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Ep1ctetus 2 points ago +2 / -0

The is creates a situation where the federal government can start granting smaller subcontracts to companies to expand the reach of “federal contracts” and thus dictate from the Oval Office (or wherever the new fake Oval Office is).

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Klaus73 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well duh

It allows him to have it both ways...

He can say "there is going to be a vaccine mandate" and companies will naturally try to get ahead of it to be complaint - they will spend millions to avoid more interruptions.

And if you come back at him about his vaccine mandate - he can just claim he reconsidered and so never signed a EO.

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KekistanPM 1 point ago +1 / -0

They ought to know, they probably challenged every single one of Trump's executive orders in court.

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SevenThunders 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ahh but you are wrong. He did it through non binding osha guidelines for workplace safety. Need to be vaxxed to be”safe”. So companies can’t get insurance unless they are “safe”.

These devils are very insidious. We need to resist them with every fiber of our being

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BamBamBoogaloo 1 point ago +1 / -0

Because we live in a fascist country run by the evil mega corporations.

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Bookmobile88 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just like with Reagan and air traffic controllers?

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RedditAdminsRFascist 1 point ago +1 / -0

The CEOs are corrupt as shit. Biden is actually a fascist , this is literally fascism, getting the private sector to enforce your unconstitutional acts

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

Word. And yet, it's happening, with reckless abandon.

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JohnCocktoastin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Now I cannot be absolutely certain that SWA has federal contracts for federal employee travel, but that seems way more likely than not. Which would make them federal contractors. Anyone saying he did not sign an EO for federal contractors is a glue sniffing drooling on themselves traumatic brain injury illiterate asshat that refuses to read the goddamn EO. It's there. I've linked to it numerous times here.

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Jimmyprawns 3 points ago +3 / -0

Most major airlines fill out empty cargo space with USPS mail. So there is that as well. Also, don't know about SWA but there is also a thing called the civil reserve air fleet, which most major airlines participate in. It's part of a large scale war on short notice contingency plan to mobilize civilian air transport for military use during an emergency. There are likely international travel requirements and with travel overseas being currently restricted for the non stabbed... It stands to reason that airlines were under pressure even before this round of BS.

CRAF started at the beginning of the cold war as a jet age merchant marine thing. It was used in 90 as part of the desert shield build up in Saudi arabia. People forget how many people and how much stuff went to the desert for that one. Like pretty much everything nato had previously earmarked for world war 3 against the Warsaw pact. What we sent downrange the second time around was the shadow of a joke in comparison. But even that was transported in large part by chartered civilian flights (not CRAF as far as I know.)

The big G is a massive feeding trough big business just can't get enough of. While they do have leverage to fight this (no part of government is currently self sufficient), they likely fear biting the hand that feeds just a little too much to care about employee rights.

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JohnCocktoastin 1 point ago +1 / -0

You are right on the last part. But more important is that government has nut stomped these airlines with the covid restrictions and they absolutely MUST get that government gravy train cash to avoid bankruptcy. Truthfully, these guys are reaping what they sow for not having been more vocal a lot earlier. Now they are under the thumb of the commies and not complying could result in no payouts. Their losses for parking their fleets in the desert were staggering. They still can't operate at the capacity they need for true profitability.

Boeing is another that is fairly well fucked. Both on the defense contractor side, and because all these airlines under water have slowed delivery of new planes. Giant cluster caused by shooting self in foot repeatedly. Truly despicable, really.

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Pelosi_Halitosis 1 point ago +1 / -0

So, this was basically devised by CNN? Lie about it first, make it horrible and sensational. Then when the rubber hits the road, obsfucate and say, yeah well "technically," they do use it as a horse dewormer. All the while ignoring all the other surrounding facts, like they've been giving it to people since the 70's. 🤡🌍

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

Why would they treat horse paste any different than HCQ? Any threat to pill maker profits is being slandered, and discredited.

The pill makers are apparently too big to fail. They bet incorrectly that A)people would pay anything for immunity to the zombie apocalypse, and that b) they could provide immunity to the zombie apocalypse. They failed biggly. It turns out the coof isnt a zombie apocalypse and it also turns out the cool new biotech they'd been itching to try is only good for injuring people.

All of this is being done to keep those idiots who zigged when they should have zagged from going out of business. And media is beholden because the only money broadcast tv gets anymore is from all those late night dick pill ads. Do you really think they buy all that ad time because it drives up sales. No, me thinks it's to gain leverage against broadcast media.

The death of every industry's ability to function properly comes in two steps. The subject matter experts who build the first round of successfull companies are replaced with shady finance specialists who know how to get the company more investment capital and fat government contracts at the expense of functioning properly. This kills the company's ability to produce a worthwhile product. So the finance people get replaced with marketing and sales people who again resort to fuckery, only at this stage, the goal is to force shit products down everyone's throat instead of just letting the damned dinasaurs die and be replaced by better creations from actual subject matter experts.