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posted ago by Kalus ago by Kalus +3210 / -0

I can't wrap my head around the fact that some people seriously think vaccine would give them full protection against COVID but then will continue to wear masks because they need masks to protect others from catching COVID from them. They do not find any sort of logical discrepancy in their reasoning, apparently!

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ObongoForPrison2020 145 points ago +151 / -6

A retarded person?

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Vlad_The_Impaler 45 points ago +45 / -0

Help them write their wills.

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CAPTAIN_TENDY_PLATE2 17 points ago +17 / -0

You may be jesting, but my god have people been dropping like flies in my circle of acquaintances and people that they know.

I've only lost a couple that I knew well enough to call them actual friends or even family, but the whole "friends of friends" circle and people I just have ran into enough to know who they are?

Yea, there are flies dropping in that circle. And it's exclusively vaccinated people. It's also almost exclusively from blood clots.

And the weirdest part is, nobody talks about it. Nobody will bring up that it was from the vaccine. It's just "random" blood clots.

One friend broke his leg, died a week later from a blood clot. Was blamed on the broken leg, but had received his 2nd dose like a week before breaking his leg.

Another person I know was about 3-4 weeks or so in, and died in his sleep with a blood clot to the lung/brain.

Another one my age who I went to high school with dropped dead from a "heart attack" but was NOT in any sort of bad shape. He was average at worst. Had received both doses.

On top of that, people I work with are almost all vaccinated. I've seen several of them already, and heard them talk about their family members, getting covid and being severely effected by it. My secretary was recently out with a bad case of it, after she received both shots and was actually seeking out a booster. She was hospitalized. Her husband was as well.

On the other hand... Healthy people I know who have refused the vaccine, are seemingly impervious to either of those outcomes. They're not getting sick, and if they HAVE, it's over in a couple of days like a normal flu.

You have to be blind to not see what's happening around here.

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Raposa 9 points ago +9 / -0

The crazy thing is when you tell people things like this, they just call it anecdotal. But how can it be so completely removed from the official story? It would be like if the news said everywhere that you have a 10% chance to get tails when flipping a coin, but all the people in your life flip coins and it’s 50/50 heads or tails. We evolved to notice patterns in front of us. It just doesn’t add up. The broken leg thing, sure, sometimes blood clots happen with injuries. But the impulse people have to instantly brush any side effects off as not possibly being from the newly developed vaccines with known blood clot risks is so off putting and unnatural.

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fusreedah 10 points ago +10 / -0

Do you mean theyre already sick, or that you think the vax will kill them later?

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Haitianbychoice360 4 points ago +4 / -0

Just to be clear, have they specifically stated that they regret it AND have made the connection that the vaxx has caused their ill health?

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Haitianbychoice360 6 points ago +6 / -0

Thanks for the additional details. I care because I find this entire debacle fascinating. Watching people deal with the consequences of their actions and how they grapple with the cognitive dissonance is something to behold. Too bad this is affecting people and their very lives. I too have people in my immediate circle that is dealing with the after affects of the vaxx. Like your friend who is Catholic, I have a relative who seems to grasp their actions when they said that they know they are a guinea pig. How they can then subject themselves to this is beyond me. I sincerely hope that all the experts that I have seen are dead wrong. I, for one, have silently prepared myself for the eventual loss of all of them. I hope your parents and your friend feel better.

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Vlad_The_Impaler 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sounds like the fake vaxxed in your family are now crippled retards

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fusreedah 4 points ago +7 / -3

How can it be both? I'm asking if they're sick and already dying (hospitalized etc) or if theyre not sick but you personally believe they will be due to the jab.

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2Eyes 15 points ago +15 / -0

I sense it too. Most lose thier mental sharpness, as if thier cognitive abilities have declined.

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fusreedah 3 points ago +3 / -0

Okay. That's totally different then. If you don't know what it does, how do you know it will kill them later?

I too am against this needless and dangerous vaccine, but just saying that they are now dying is absurd.

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KrakenWakin4JoeBacon 2 points ago +3 / -1

Aura? Please explain

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evenbiggerchubbys 7 points ago +7 / -0

They took a toxic substance and had it injected into their blood. They are going to be sick and it will most likely lead to an early death

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Vlad_The_Impaler 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's supposed to be injected into muscle.

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evenbiggerchubbys 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah that didn’t happen

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Oppenheimer_DOW 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just look at the data coming in from Israel and other countries. It appears that on average the pfizer shot is reducing people's natural immune system by about 5% per week. People who took this poison are going to have an extremely hard time fighting off simple germs

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y_do_i_need_to_hide 8 points ago +9 / -1

Nope. Most people don't have the ability to critically think. It is our job to protect them. Many doctors and epidemiologists are guilty.

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CAPTAIN_TENDY_PLATE2 11 points ago +11 / -0

I disagree with your assertion that it's our job to protect these people. In the natural world they would have been 'left to the wolves" so to speak, and they wouldn't have made it.

We are in a position in society right now, because we HAVE BEEN protecting the weak and coddling the stupid.

Now, I'm not a heartless bastard, I don't think we should just kick everyone out into the streets who has a disability or whatever.

But I don't think we need to "protect them" from their own stupidity.

Our job is to INFORM THEM. And if they're too ignorant, stupid, egotistical, scared or whatever else to dismiss it? Well, sorry, you were warned. Go about your business and fuck yourself over. It's not my problem.

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y_do_i_need_to_hide 3 points ago +3 / -0

I think we agree pretty completely. It is our job to protect them by informing them. I did this but later than I should have. Our job is to not comply, so that they don't get the impression that is the Smart Action.

If someone has been complying, and complaining on a message board made up mostly of us, they've missed the boat entirely. I developed this standard because I realized some people I like are going to die from their own ignorance. This way I can assuage my guilt by the knowledge I did something.

Tldr, speak out loudly and often and never comply. This is the way to protect those who don't critically think well.

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Bramage 4 points ago +4 / -0

Bet you wernet getting your routine yearly flu shots either.

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y_do_i_need_to_hide 15 points ago +15 / -0

No, I've never gotten a flu shot. I don't believe in the methodology. Of course, I wasn't as suspicious, because they didn't try to fire me if I didn't take it.

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2Eyes 6 points ago +6 / -0

If you keep your immune system in top shape, it will ward off the flu.

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PRMan99 3 points ago +3 / -0

3 good vs 9 worse Russian roulette?

No thank you.

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Gadsden 3 points ago +3 / -0

Many doctors and epidemiologists can't think critically, either.

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AmericanForever 3 points ago +3 / -0

It’s okay my family members are retarded too. Can’t let them anchor us down with them though

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EdgeGuy 2 points ago +2 / -0

Obviously completely retarded.

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rupok2 10 points ago +10 / -0

Just hope my family got saline shots because they got it early. They are retarded but i hope to god the vax depopulation theory isn't true.

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ThisBlowsChunks 66 points ago +66 / -0

I don't know... but it's sad. My brother and sister-in-law, in their 80s, just innocently do whatever their doctor tells them, trying to cling to life, I guess, and never letting themselves think that their own government wants to kill them. Old people grew up in the WWs and have a lifetime devoted to believing what they're told. It's sad. I'm losing people left and right, this year, after getting vaxxed.

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anotherthing 62 points ago +62 / -0

I talked to an old guy at a filling station a few months ago. I told him I didn't see the point in getting the shot because I have a 99.5% chance of being okay if I get it. He said that it's to protect others. I said that those people also have a 99.5% chance of surviving. He just shrugged.

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ThisBlowsChunks 46 points ago +46 / -0

It's the damnedest thing. They don't seem to get it that if vaccines work, it shouldn't matter if others get them or not; that if masks work, they would work whether others wore them or not. It can't get much simpler than that.

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y_do_i_need_to_hide 26 points ago +26 / -0

To get it you would have to be thinking. The entire purpose of the mainstream media is to keep you from thinking.

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Cyer6 16 points ago +16 / -0

And the whole purpose of lockdowns, mandating church closures, family gatherings and other social events are about preventing people from spreading information, facts and logic to others. They're also about programming society to accept control and authority from the government just like TSA has done at airports.

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Oppenheimer_DOW 4 points ago +4 / -0

Pavlovian training. Definitely a lot of attempts at psychological training going on. Also look up Biderman's chart of coercion. That will feel very familiar these days

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SupremeDearLeader2 9 points ago +9 / -0

Cause and effect is a very ephemeral concept for a brain on autopilot , every leftist I've ever known has suffered from it.

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KrakenWakin4JoeBacon 12 points ago +12 / -0

Well put. Auto pilot hits the nail on the head. Seems to me that for some people, there’s a subconscious coping mechanism going on as well. I think those who frequent this site are typically the type who feel compelled to look behind the curtain & have a strong impulse to question & try to make sense of motives & events. But a lot of people are absolutely repelled by the idea of peeking behind the curtain & they simply lack the driving instinct to do it. They want to believe what is easiest to believe when it comes to corruption & greed in government but, needless to say, they don’t view it that way at all.

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2Eyes 5 points ago +5 / -0

They're low IQ, and they government has muddied the water even further.

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CAPTAIN_TENDY_PLATE2 7 points ago +7 / -0

Yea, the absolute NPC mode you get is beyond absurd. I've never seen anything like it. Mass psychosis of people who just dismiss any and all logic and reasoning because.... well, because they were told to basically.

It has never NOT blown my mind this entire time, that soooo many people can be literal slaves to the system, even seemingly willful slaves who even defend it.

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Stanwyk74 6 points ago +6 / -0

Protect others who have already accepted the miniscule risk. Seems logical that.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 3 points ago +3 / -0

These people are morally and intellectually bankrupt, having abandoned critical thinking and supplanted it with slavish adherence to ideology.

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2Eyes 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can inject them with "vaccine' but not I.Q

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paulej 17 points ago +17 / -0

I never thought about it, but as I read your post I thought COVID-19 is the perfect solution to the Social Security funding problem.

At this point, I wouldn't put it past government to do that.

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ThisBlowsChunks 3 points ago +3 / -0

Absolutely spot on.

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Bueller 1 point ago +2 / -1

Same has occured to me

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unred 51 points ago +51 / -0

Is your dad a democrat? The masks are political, like the red hats.

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Kalus [S] 41 points ago +41 / -0

He's a self-proclaimed "centrist."

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 70 points ago +70 / -0

It’s always liberals calling themselves centrists

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jdog 32 points ago +33 / -1

There really is no left or right, just common sense and no sense.

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AlphaNathan 6 points ago +6 / -0

There’s fiscal left and right. But if you’re fiscal left you have no common sense or you’re a petty tyrant, so I digress.

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RegularAmerican 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've always been able to make liberals and conservatives stop and think when I say it's not about money as much as it is freedom and basic rights.

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TommyJarvis 12 points ago +12 / -0

Joe Xiden calls himself a “centrist”

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SupremeDearLeader2 8 points ago +8 / -0

Well his butts been wiped right down the middle .....

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559throw 6 points ago +6 / -0

If they let him do it himself he'd do it sideways

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joebama-smells 22 points ago +22 / -0

So he's a Democrat that knows enough about the Democrat party to not want to associate with it, but doesn't have the balls to go against them either.

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motm2012 5 points ago +5 / -0

Probably because he wants to be "hip".

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Aquamine-Amarine 12 points ago +12 / -0

Anyone that claims they're neutral or centrist is a liberal. A true centrist gets both sides of an issue, which is really hard to accomplish with how corrupt the media is. These people only get the liberal media's view of an issue, so it is impossible for them to be truly neutral. Only those of us here can claim to be neutral because we actually see both sides.

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solarsavior 5 points ago +5 / -0

Translation, he buries his head in the sand, just like my wife.

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TommyJarvis 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, right. Just like people who call themselves “moderates” one way or the other.

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Winterds001 1 point ago +1 / -0

unfortunately not true, I know older republicans that wear it, but they have health issues.

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loverat 45 points ago +45 / -0

IKR? It does my fucking head in. When did people suddenly all forget how vaccinations work? When has there ever been a disease where you get a vax and can still pass it on or get it. People have lost their fucking minds and I'm at the stage where I want to slap the shit out of them all.

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The_Usurper 33 points ago +33 / -0

When did people suddenly all forget how vaccinations work?

When the government and media lied and changed the meaning of vaccines. We have always been at war with Eurasia.

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Retard_Strength 18 points ago +18 / -0

this right here. when you get the dictionary to actually change the definition of a word to encompass the shot you created.

that should be a huge red flag for anyone who is capable of thinking critically.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 13 points ago +13 / -0

I have a friend who is a pharmacist and I was telling her about another friend who lost her job because she had natural immunity and refused the jab mandate. I explained how ridiculous it is to require the jab for people who have already had Covid, and that we don't do that with other diseases. She immediately brought up the annual flu shot, so I had to remind her that the flu shots are for a different strain every year, and if you had already caught the flu that year you wouldn't go get a fucking flu shot, which is what they are doing with the Covid jabs. Imagine having to explain this to a pharmacist. They are so in thrall of the propaganda that they abandon all logic and reason.

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Vlad_The_Impaler 8 points ago +8 / -0

You have my permission to slap the shit out of them.

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SheikFromMozambake 8 points ago +8 / -0

Do we have your permission to impale them?

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Haitianbychoice360 3 points ago +3 / -0

Kek

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SheikFromMozambake 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's amazing watching the brainwashed masses mindlessly repeat today's message even when it obviously contradicts yesterday's message. Intelligence just isn't as common as I'd like it to be.

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Apersonofinterest 2 points ago +2 / -0

And we have video of it. You can watch it yourself but even though they saw it the first time, now they will refuse to watch it because it contradicts the latest update.

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gluon 1 point ago +1 / -0

You are seeing the effects of 24/7 propaganda.

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BoughtByBloomberg2 43 points ago +43 / -0

My dude.... you just ran into the dialogue tree loop.

Your dad is a NPC.

Press E to interact with Father.

"I wear my mask so I don't spread covid."

Press E to interact with Father.

"I am vaxxed so I can't get covid."

Press E to interact with Father.

"I wear my mask so I don't spread covid."

4/5 people don't exist beyond repeating the input they get from medua.

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TrumpAndGodWin 4 points ago +4 / -0

Then later, press X to pay respects.

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AOCs_tits_4ever 34 points ago +34 / -0

It's a guaranteed rage-inducer: ask a covid worshipper why they are afraid of catching covid from the unvaccinated, if the vaccine they took works. They will NEVER say "I see your point" or "Yeah, it's not really logical" or "it's true, it makes no sense." They just rage and say some variation of "This conversation is over". Which, in fact, it is, because they are BTFO and they know it.

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DiscoverAFire 12 points ago +12 / -0

They just rage and say some variation of "This conversation is over".

Wait, do you know my ex? Exact response to the question, before ghosting me for a week. And then expecting us to still be together... I told her we could stay together if she could explain why my vaccine would work if her's didn't.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 8 points ago +8 / -0

All leftists respond the same way.

Leftist: Makes a retarded statement.

You: Challenges the statement and asks them to defend it.

Leftist: Fight or flight response kicks in. Will either end conversation or commence screeching at you.

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krzyzowiec 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's hilarious. I love it.

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DiscoverAFire 3 points ago +3 / -0

I knew she couldn't explain why lol, only reason I risked it.

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Litterboxer1 4 points ago +4 / -0

The goalposts have been moved to "It was never meant to stop spread, but to reduce SeVeariTy!!1!!"

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RedditAdminsRFascist 7 points ago +7 / -0

Wtf man

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PrezElectHamsandwich 2 points ago +2 / -0

Someone needs to go to horny jail and read his Thomas Sowell.

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AOCs_tits_4ever 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's clearly the only reason the media pays her any attention. They keep telling us its her "energy" or whatever. Please.

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ChairmanMaga 1 point ago +1 / -0

Aoc's tittays are very nice. See. I finally said something kind about a demorat .

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TKAdams 2 points ago +2 / -0

Those things are too big to be perky.

They likely hang down pretty low, and over each side if she's on her back.

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TKAdams 4 points ago +4 / -0

There are close up pictures of her face.

Go look at one of those and imagine her without makeup.

It's not good.

Plus she has that 40 year old mother of two dumpy ginger body.

Like if you stuck a mop upside down in a sack of potatoes.

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Trumpdidit 23 points ago +23 / -0

It's quite obvious, your father may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, sorry to say...

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nozonozo 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yeah, that poor kid better check his/her DNA for defects, although seems like the kid can think rather well. Maybe it's early onset dementia for the dad.

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Philhelm 11 points ago +11 / -0

Or the MAGA milkman.

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Carmen1956 20 points ago +20 / -0

It is clear that you got your intelligence from your mother!

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IAbsolutelyDare 8 points ago +8 / -0

Kek.

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I_Love_45-70_Gov 17 points ago +17 / -0

Your father will most likely get the c0oF because my daughter caught it a few months after getting vaccinated.

She wound up taking Ivermectin, etc, which made for a very quick recovery.

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mainsoda 16 points ago +16 / -0

The Psy-Ops are real man. A large percentage of our population can no longer think critically. It is scary.

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SheikFromMozambake 4 points ago +4 / -0

The psyops are real. However, there's no evidence that a large percentage of our population ever could think critically. To quote the great philosopher Frank Zappa, "she is frosting a cake with a paper knife".

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RedAltoids 2 points ago +2 / -0

"I am the Slime" tells you everything you need to know about television.

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SheikFromMozambake 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes it does.

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wethepepe 14 points ago +14 / -0

They are contaminated; they are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern. You cannot change their mind[s], even if you expose them to authentic information, even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still cannot change the basic perception and the logic of behaviour. In other words, these people... the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible.

-Yuri Bezmenov (KGB defector)

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 5 points ago +5 / -0

Underrated. Yuri called all of this out decades ago.

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MobieDick 13 points ago +13 / -0

I have two brothers that are fully vaxxed. One of them got vaxxed (I hate calling that poison a vax) and destroyed his natural immunity... Anyways, my mom recently needed to go to the emergency room, two weeks after a positive PCR covid test result so I took her in. 12 hours later I texted to see if one of my brothers could fill in for me and these brothers are like "is that wise to be there? I've got my family to think about." I thought you're fully protected! They're afraid evidently because they know it doesn't work. At least they must now believe the studies all over the world (except for taxpayer-funded govt propaganda broadcasts on all channels and radio stations) that show they've increased their chances of catching and super-spreading the coof with a higher death rate among the vaxxed.

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IAbsolutelyDare 12 points ago +12 / -0

The real COVID is the friends he made along the way.

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ChairmanMaga 2 points ago +2 / -0

So true.

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learntocode 10 points ago +10 / -0

Does your dad watch TV? Listen to the radio? Read the newspaper? Use Google for search?

These are signs your loved one maybe be a brainwashed retard. Dont worry, my wife was retarded. Now shes a pilot.

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ChippingToe 11 points ago +11 / -0

My wife also used to be retarded.

She still is, but she used to too.

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GladtobeHere61446 9 points ago +9 / -0

More proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.

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Donkeyballs 8 points ago +9 / -1

Poor Dad, he’s brainwashed or brain dead. Sorry for your loss.

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BidensWetNurse 2 points ago +2 / -0

He does what the fuck he wants like any free man.

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DicerningSword 6 points ago +6 / -0

It's been revealing to witness how afraid people are of dying. Everybody dies and their are far worse things then dying it's not so much about being brave as not being a coward, God Hates a coward..

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scrubking 4 points ago +4 / -0

You should look up a man named Dr. Death. He studied the topic of death and found that the vast majority of people are afraid of dying in spite of what they say. Everyone knows there is a Hell and they are on their way there if they don't Repent and put their faith in Jesus, but they think putting God out of their mind will somehow make Him go away.

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Sparkywalnutz 6 points ago +6 / -0

I blame his TV. My in-laws have the same affliction. They've trained themselves to watch broadcast news and never question it.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's the real epidemic of idiocy that afflicts this country. I hear people regurgitate misleadia propaganda all the time, even the most patently ridiculous and blatantly false Fake News, and they apply no critical thought or morality to it. I'm convinced that the misleadia could get these people agreeing to literally anything within the span of a single news cycle.

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Grond999 5 points ago +5 / -0

The jabs don't stop spread. What is complicated about this fact?

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YodaBannon 2 points ago +2 / -0

the jabs are the spread, peanut butter jelly time

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Haitianbychoice360 1 point ago +1 / -0

Where ya at? Where ya at? Where ya at?

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thallos 5 points ago +5 / -0

Also masks don't work.

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 4 points ago +5 / -1

I think he means, he won’t get COVID as in he won’t suffer the symptoms of it if he gets the virus. However, even though he is not suffering from symptoms of it, he can still be a carrier and transmit the virus to other people.

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Guruchild 9 points ago +9 / -0

Then what is the vax for?

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SentryS 9 points ago +9 / -0

To StOp rHe SprEAd!!! RU reTaRdeD?

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chickeninoven 3 points ago +3 / -0

To keep in the stink, since their face is an ass and they're speaking out of it.

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Profits for big pharma

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MobieDick 4 points ago +4 / -0

That's what they're being told. In reality, they're dying from Covid at a higher rate than the unvaxxed (look at rates in West Virginia and Vermont for starters and then Israel). It's simple really; they want us dead.

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Shadowreaper07 4 points ago +4 / -0

Think of how dumb the average person is and then realize that the majority of them are dumber than that.

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SheikFromMozambake 1 point ago +1 / -0

Half of them, not a majority. ;-)

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KelKidman 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's all theater. They wear the mask not because it works, but because its a good way to signal social virtue.

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Vlad_The_Impaler 4 points ago +4 / -0

He's been programmed.

Smash his tv. Cut the coaxial cables.

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BidensWetNurse 0 points ago +1 / -1

Smash his Dad's TV? Is this fourchan.org/b, you prick?

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Vlad_The_Impaler 2 points ago +2 / -0

Where is he getting the propaganda from? Likely the tell-lies-vision. His generation is very vulnerable

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TheMadManDidItAgain 4 points ago +4 / -0
  • 90% of people are asleep.
  • 5% of people are awake
  • 4% of people are puppets (MSM for example)
  • 1% are in full control

==> The 1% in control use their money and influence on the 4% of puppets who do everything they can to prevent the 5% of awake people from waking up the remaining 90% of sleeping people.

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Bluestorm83 4 points ago +4 / -0

If anyone ever says anything to me about not wearing a mask, I ask them "How can I give you a disease that I don't have?" If they say I might have it without any symptoms, I reply "Fauci's CDC said that there is no Asymptomatic Spread. Why do you deny the science?" If they say anything else, I go to "Shut the fuck up already, asshole."

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yukondave 3 points ago +3 / -0

All thought in 5 words or less. go. The dumb is getting worse by the hour

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GreatestAmericanHero 3 points ago +3 / -0

Doublethink is real. NPCs are real. Yuri Bezmenov called it out years ago.

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TrumpTrain_MAGA2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Sorry to say, your dad's a dipshit.

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Spaceforcecat 3 points ago +3 / -0

So sad how they frightened the elderly into baseless stupidity over the fear of covid

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Cucker_Carlson 2 points ago +3 / -1

Sounds like the entire family needs vaccinated against dad's fake news habit. You can't wrap your head around it, as you say, because it's 100% irrational and it's 100% brainwashing... not a little bit of brainwashing, either: this is maximum brainwashing. There has, perhaps, never been brainwashing as pervasive as that being inflicted by "the elite" today.

Speaking of the elite, it sickens me to see Bezos giving celebrities a personal send-off for space flight, because I know this is the plan for the entire world: a playground for a select group of elitist pig bastards who have given themselves everything at the working person's expense. They know they don't need 'the peasants' anymore, because of automation (I say that as a thoroughly informed MBA, MIT), so they've programmed the cow-eyed public to murder itself.

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TNVol 2 points ago +2 / -0

Time to cancel his cable.

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SheikFromMozambake 2 points ago +2 / -0

"That damn groundhog keeps chewing through your cable."

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Blawblahbleh 2 points ago +3 / -1

I know I'm in a hornets nest here, but I'll try and provide a viewpoint from another angle.

First off, I am vaccinated and I wear a mask. I am also somewhat pro-choice in that if you really don't want to get the jab, then don't.

From my understanding, here is the logistics on vaccinces. I'm not going to get into the side effects and all that as I know it's a fight I'm not going to win here.

The vaccine was never meant to 100 percent prevent Covid. It's very similar to a flu shot in that it provides your body with a blueprint of the virus so it can fight it off "easier". The idea is that it may prevent Covid, just like a flu shot may prevent the flu, but there is still probable chance that you will contract Covid. Since Covid is more severe version of the flu, your body has a better chance of keeping it contained to either mild flu like symptoms or no symptoms at all. You can still transmit the virus (the transmission window may be smaller, but it can still exist). Even if you never contract Covid, you can still carry it and pass it on, hence the continued required for distancing and face coverings. We can debate all day on the efficacy of masks, so I won't go there.

The whole point of the vaccine is prevent SERIOUS illnesses that require hospitilizations that can stress the health care system as we have seen elective and even non-elective surgeries cancelled because of lack of bed space and resources such as nurses and respiratory techs.

Take this explanation for what you will, but I see a lot people think the idea is to completely prevent Covid and thus deem it a failure. It's not.

Flame suit engage.

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UtahBeach 3 points ago +3 / -0

That's literally not how a vaccine works.

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Kalus [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

There’s no evidence that COVID is any more serious than the flu. Vast majority of COVID cases are either asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. Hell, it can’t even barely kill children much unlike flu.

And no, COVAX does not give you a blueprint of the virus. It makes your cell to create a small fraction of virus (spike protein) which allows the virus itself to get inside your cell. And so far no sufficient studies have been conducted to properly conclude that such method is as effective as traditional vaccine mechanism which the flu shot falls into.

And apparently it isn’t very effective, as we can see almost every single country and region with high vaccination rate has failed to lower hospitalization and death rate by using the vaccine.

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Blawblahbleh -1 points ago +1 / -2

I admit, my point was not to explain how vaccines work. My point was only that no one is saying that the vaccine will prevent COVID. Its purpose is to lessen the chance of a serious illness that requires hospitalization.

Yes, vaccinated people will still get the virus, and some will die. These infected people could still transmit the virus. The goal is make the R number smaller than it would be without the vaccine. Hence the government maintaining mask mandates. I know there is debate on the efficacy of masks, but that's where the logic sits.

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Kalus [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

"No one is saying that the vaccine will prevent COVID"

That's a lie.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/vaccination-against-covid-19-prevents-breakthrough-infections.html

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-from-covid-19-vaccination-last

https://www.statnews.com/2021/03/31/pfizer-covid19-vaccine-adolescents-data/

And since we know Pfizer and other pharma companies botched their own studies, (giving vaccines to control group which was only supposed to get placebo is a good example) vaccinated people accounting for high percentage of "severe COVID cases" and deaths in numerous countries, and "scientists" changing their positions now claiming that two doses aren't very effective and people would need boosters to keep being protected, we can now put "muh COVAX prevents severe disease" claim to rest.

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Heavens2MAGAtroid 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree with you except my main motivation is to not get really sick or die from COVID, not to spare the healthcare system from stress. That’s a nice side effect but the system wasn’t overwhelmed through two waves of COVID so I am not too worried about that.

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Blawblahbleh 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, I know that making sure the health care system runs properly is not in the hands of citizens. This is a task of the government and in the states, private corporations. Hence why they are bringing in mandates to try and control the serious hospitalizations. These do put strain on health care systems.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/never-ending-nightmare-hospitals-where-icu-hospitalizations-stayed-high-n1280318

https://www.foxnews.com/us/houston-afghanistan-veteran-dies-treatable-illness-wait-icu-bed

I know it's a small sample size picked from the MSM, but to say that systems are not overwhelmed might not be accurate.

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Schwungle 2 points ago +2 / -0

Having to look at his face

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Saltybitch 2 points ago +2 / -0

When you know the need to virtue signal is real. I'm betting he's still afraid of getting Covid but also doesn't want to be mistaken as an "anti-vaxxer". Mostly afraid though. The mindfuck is real.

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davidmode 2 points ago +2 / -0

you cannot reason with the unreasonable

i feel for ya fren, gotta be hard to have family so ill-logically motivated. my advice is that you have to walk away, not literally, just that you need to not partake in their insanity, lest you become insane as well

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One_Eyed_Willy 2 points ago +2 / -0

He's flat face lying to you. The truth is your dad is vaccinated b/c he was scared of getting covid. He now knows being vaccinated doesn't prevent him from getting covid, so he's wearing a mask precisely because of that. He is lying to you.

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iDrankTheCovfefe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Is this normal behavior from your father? I have seen some very abnormal behavior from people I know who have had the jab. I think there is high tech behavioral modification in those vials. It sounds crazy but I keep seeing strange behaviors from people I have never seen it from before after they had the jabs.

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CharlieMike 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have run into this same (il)logical arguments. The brainwashing has been really good.

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Paxelmania 2 points ago +2 / -0

Basically it vaguely makes sense but your dad is obviously using bad language to describe it.

No vaccine (nor any immune system) is absolute 100% protection against "getting" a virus. A virus can always enter the body and infiltrate some cells. The issue is whether or not the virus PROLIFERATES.

If you have memory (which can be acquired naturally and via some vaccines) then the body will respond and attack the virus and cells it has infected to reproduce. If you don't have memory, it can still do that, but there's a delay.

So a mask to catch infected droplets in theory can protect others from encountering the virus if you yourself had encountered it and were contagious prior to your body wiping it out.

Some questions to ask here are:

  1. just what is the likelihood of infected droplets (and if so, what viral load?) if you have a robust immune memory (natural or via vaccine) to the virus? Does it really have enough time to replicate in your lungs (assuming you're inhaling/exhaling viral droplets) prior to getting nuked via your immune system?

  2. is your dad only trying to protect the unvaxed/unexposed, or does he also think that those with vaccine-induced semi-immunity (or non-vaxed natural full-immunity) are going to get fucked up too?

BTW science guys who know shit, I need your help.

The Magic School Bus did an episode about bacterial infections and how the immune system fights them off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk6KOFKJVkk&t=15m19

How does fighting off viral infections differ here? It shows white blood cells launching Y-shaped "stick things" (antibodies) to mark bacteria and eat them, and then the "medicine" (prob antibiotics) slows down bacterial growth so white blood cells can handle workload.

Obviously antibiotics don't help w/ virus though, and I don't know how white blood cells or antibodies might work in respect to viral instead of bacterial infections.

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Wolverines556 2 points ago +2 / -0

Masks are peak virtue signaling

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fusreedah 2 points ago +2 / -0

What was his answer to that?

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Kalus [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

He did not reply.

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kensai 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fear has put an override on the areas of the brain used for logic. 2+2=5. Orwell was being literal but this is what he meant.

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HiImDuganz 2 points ago +2 / -0

COVID = Stupidity

Your father is just trying to protect others from his stupidity. Too bad there isn't a vaxx for that.

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Stanwyk74 2 points ago +2 / -0

The old martyr excuse. I do this to save mankind, not for me. They are protecting the people who don't want the vaccine? Anyone who wants a vaccine can get it...anyone who doesn't get it by now has accepted the almost zero risk of dying from it.

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LazySusan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ultraviolet light penetrates and I destroys the lipid coating of the virus particle. We learned this like two weeks into the pandemic. Wearing a mask outside is just absolutely, completely retarded.

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StadiumHopper 1 point ago +1 / -0

The VAX is causing people to reproduce the disease and shed it. Think about that.

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PKC_MAN 1 point ago +1 / -0

Protecting others from Spike proteins I believe, which is still more effective on the vaccinated.

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BidensWetNurse 1 point ago +1 / -0

Respecting your Father matters. You a fucking hoodrat, cunt?