posted ago by Boudicca2 ago by Boudicca2 +3371 / -2

Come ON, America, START MAKING SHIT AGAIN. Even if products cost a couple dollars more, we are willing and ready to pay that to regain our sovereignty and self-sufficiency.

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grassshrimp 171 points ago +171 / -0

Sadly, it's not about the cheap stuff that matters. It's strategic manufacturing of electronic chips, pharmaceuticals, batteries, rare earth metals, telecom equipment, etc. President Trump demanded that companies on-shore strategic manufacturing and/or find alternate supply chains away from China (like Vietnam, India, Mexico, Taiwan, etc.)

Boudicca2 [S] 132 points ago +133 / -1

There is absolutely no excuse for our medicines to be made in a place like China. God only knows what they could add to hundreds of different drugs to harm us one way or another.

Imnotsureyet2 80 points ago +81 / -1

This is exactly the situation faced economically during the period directly before the civil war. How can you expect wage labor to compete against slave labor?

basedvirginian 90 points ago +90 / -0

Import the Irish?

DeplorableDC 48 points ago +48 / -0

Cruel, yet underrated.

Macho_MaamV2 2 points ago +2 / -0

The San Patricio's have entered the chat.

nozonozo 24 points ago +24 / -0

How about Italians?

MAGAMAN4EVA 9 points ago +9 / -0

Am Italians. Fuck those guys.

BobDolesBanana 6 points ago +6 / -0

Don't forget to bring in the Lithuanians!

LarryBugman 5 points ago +5 / -0

Careful with that. See what they did in South Africa?

ThebigLMAOski17 4 points ago +4 / -0

::obligitory "the moors" comment::

Pickinpox 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yo ma's a whore

Yo pa's a boer

En ek sal ya moor

slangin_paint 2 points ago +2 / -0

To work?

BlitheringIdiot 11 points ago +11 / -0

Another fine example of the time-honored principle: "Never let a crisis go to waste."

FORGOTTEN_PEDE 3 points ago +3 / -0

Haitans? No?

endersshadow 18 points ago +18 / -0

Haitans are too dumb to run the drive through of a McDonalds.

And that's not racism, that's based on average IQs by country and Psychological classifications of mental retardations in relation to IQ.

glowingstrawberry 7 points ago +8 / -1

technically thats racism, but it doesnt make it wrong.

the media made race based generalities a wrong think. because the fact that haitians are significantly dumber on average doesnt mean theyre all dumber and it doesn't mean one should be mean to them. each person, individually is different and should be accountable for themselves. as a group, statistics dont lie.

Thep1mp 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ironically we could just import the chinamen like we did back in the day.

Destineed369 2 points ago +2 / -0

We already did. Well. They imported themselves. One was Feinstein’s driver. Another was shartwells gf

Edit: Trump did root a lot of them out.

LibertarianXian 1 point ago +1 / -0

We're already importing loads of their neighbor the Indians for H1-B

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RocksCanOnlyWait 14 points ago +14 / -0

The north was actually better economically than the south preceding the Civil War. Slaves who have no incentive to work efficiently tend to only put in minimum effort.

Arwyn3x 16 points ago +16 / -0

the North's manufacturing is what won the Civil War, WWI, WWII, and every war we got into until the too clever by half "planned obsolescence" people hit a brick wall in the arms industry.

RocksCanOnlyWait -6 points ago +2 / -8

The north was also more productive in agriculture than the south at the time.

Wearyman 19 points ago +20 / -1

The Free exchange of goods, services and labor will ALWAYS out-produce and out wealth-create a society dependent on slave labor. ALWAYS.

Slave labor enriches a tiny percentage of society (The 1%, if you will) while enervating the labor force and draining capital, creating very basic, 3rd world economies.

Despite the destruction, the north actually SAVED the south from themselves by obliterating slavery in America. One of the things that isn't well taught in our history books.

Now it is our generation's turn to save America by stopping the use of Chinese slaves to make our products. it's the same problem, only on a global scale.

OZ00MSTALLGEESE 9 points ago +11 / -2

Despite the destruction, the north actually SAVED the south from themselves by obliterating slavery in America.

They were still selling slave out of New York and Boston harbors well into the 1900s. Reconstruction devastated the south for just as long. The south was not dependent on slave labor despite what you think and the north has their slaves too. And if you think when those "freed" slaves(remember the emancipation proclamation did not actually free the slaves) got to New England and were sent to work in factories that there lives were so much better and all that was just the white man's altruism then you are a couple cups into the Kool aid there bud.

To address the other point not rooted in reality, the north won a war of attrition. They did this with embargo of course but also fighting on multiple fronts. The confeds had many chances to end the war but naively held off on decisive action. Had they known what Sherman would do to Georgia I don't think they would have stayed their hand. You can doubt me if you want and call me a sore loser southerner whatever but look into what was going on militarily when the emancipation proclamation was given.

Beyond all that you are wrong. The Civil War was the end of America not it being saved. The Civil War was the settlement of the argument originally had by our founding fathers at the first continental congress. That is whether sovereignty, power, authority lies with the state or the federal govt. Federalist vs anti-federalist. Sure sure the south was fighting for states rights and then you'll say "yea the states right to own slaves" sure enough but but but doesn't that seem like a perfect excuse to take power spread out over many peoples and consolidate it into the hands of the elite few? Do you see where I'm going with this? It's unfortunate that this issue is so shrouded in an argument about morality that the federal seizure of political power went and 250+ years later continues to go unnoticed.

SOL170 8 points ago +8 / -0

At the height of the Antebellum South cotton only made up around 7% of the US GDP. Its true cotton was a huge export crop that produced large profit margins but the depiction of the US as a one commodity dependent backwater is a joke created by the dipshits in the education/ media/ entertainment establishment.

gunteh 1 point ago +1 / -0

cotton only made up around 7% of the US GDP

Yet the majority of the leaders of the entire CSA and largest proponents for secession had some vested interest in the slave trade/plantations.

Imnotsureyet2 2 points ago +3 / -1

How well off was the wage worker in the South though? Hmm

RocksCanOnlyWait 3 points ago +3 / -0

A wage worker is a concept of an industrialized society.

If you're talking about the average non-slave southerner, they were fine, relative to the society as a whole. You had farmers, but also tradesmen and skilled labor.

Imnotsureyet2 0 points ago +3 / -3

I think you should freshen up. The southern free man was not fine. He was poor with no work to be had. Working for pay existed long before industrialization. And you know what you don't need to do when you have slaves? Pay workers.

If you don't see the similarities between China and their internal financial systems as the modern "room and board" slavery model and traditional slavery seen in some countries today plus all of the historical examples, you need to open your eyes.

RocksCanOnlyWait 1 point ago +1 / -0

Slavery for cash crops (cotton, tobacco, etc.) was only a portion of the South's economy.

There were certainly jobs and work for free people in the south. If there wasn't, people would've left. What you consider poor is relative. Compared to a plantation owner in the antebellum South, your typical small farm today is rich.

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Imnotsureyet2 -2 points ago +1 / -3

There was no middle class in the south. The plantations dominated. No one could break the barrier into competition in rice or cotton unless they used slaves.

The average southerner was not "fine".

Imnotsureyet2 -1 points ago +2 / -3

I'm not saying slavery was superior. I'm saying it barred competitive free labor from actually being competetive.

Ninjavideo 3 points ago +3 / -0

Here’s where history gets lost

The most ardent and conservative Christian’s (Amish and quakers) led the drive to abolition of slavery

These people would be on the right today

&& again it’s the right who’s driving erasing the abolition of slavery in China

It’s amazing that the left is always for enslaving people, claiming it helps the greater good

Brucesky420 3 points ago +3 / -0

You don't use it. These same companies virtue on twitter all day, because it doesn't affect their bottom line much.

CornandSoybeans2 2 points ago +2 / -0

Tariff the absolute fuck out of the goods, take that money and give to the companies that build shit here.

MobileDev4Trump 9 points ago +9 / -0

Oh they make fentanyl in the same factories where they produce regular medicine they just do it on the off hours

blubberdong 5 points ago +5 / -0

Unbelievable how many lives they've taken without squeezing a trigger.

Whoopies_tds 6 points ago +6 / -0

C'mon man, we have the FDA to ensure our safety and they are totally not compromised by China like they are by Pfizer....right?

SupremeDearLeader2 1 point ago +1 / -0

[ fauci grins in backroom of men's only bathhouse]

Shroudedf8 3 points ago +3 / -0

I would say the same thing about India manufacturing our medicine. The quality control just isn't there. There's a current recall for ANOTHER BP med potentially tainted with carcinogenic impurities. WTF!?!?

Witchiepoo 2 points ago +2 / -0

Read “Bottle of Lies”, if you want to scare yourself about our pharmaceutical supply. It’s primarily about our drugs being made in India, and how they manipulate and trick the FDA with their testing, but it could just as easily and probably more frighteningly be about China and what THEY make for our consumption.

AlphaTheBetaFish 17 points ago +17 / -0

And we get slapped with the carbon tax.

IowanMaga 17 points ago +17 / -0

Just to hinder competition in the states

TommyJarvis 7 points ago +7 / -0


TheRealJaredHolt 3 points ago +3 / -0

Construction materials, auto parts, and a lot of other critical stuff too

Bigpersonguy 3 points ago +3 / -0

Vietnam is under the influence of the CCP

Gonzotron5000 3 points ago +3 / -0

Fwiw the Vietnamese I know hate the CCP. But theyre Vietnamese Americans so take that with the grain of salt.

Bigpersonguy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ohh 100% most Vietnamese that got out after the commie take over are base. Looking at Tu Lam. But unfortunately Vietnam is technically currently under the legacy of the communist takeover.

Killroyomega 1 point ago +1 / -0

Only because every other administration breaks trade and defense agreements and gives them the cold shoulder.

Obiden Bama will have spent 12 years fucking up the SEA region and letting China do whatever they want unopposed. It's because of Obiden being such a massive pussy that China was even able to build their bases in the "South China Sea."

Historically the Viets hate the Chinese and have fought multiple wars against them.

suckmycorona 3 points ago +3 / -0

And he got blasted for it. And those will be the first idiots complaining when they can't get something.

Boudicca2 [S] 70 points ago +70 / -0

Let me be more detailed. In all the big box stores you see shelf after shelf of cheap decor items, cheap, ugly poor quality clothing, poorly made furniture that really isn't that cheap any longer, housewares like dishes and glasses. There are American alternatives and even Canadian and Mexican alternatives and European alternatives. And if that doesn't work for you financially, some of the thrift stores have excellent pre-owned furniture and decor and housewares that you can afford. If it means cutting China off from my money, thereby not funding the CCP which plans for my downfall, I'm happy to buy good quality used things from Salvation Army or AmVets or Goodwill all day long.

Guruchild 21 points ago +21 / -0

I’ve found some high quality furniture items like dining room tables and chairs and even flooring in flea markets for a great price. Carpets and upholstered items like couches? Not so much. But you can find some great items for cheap if you think outside the China big box.

armedprincess23 17 points ago +17 / -0

Auctions. I have gotten amazing dining room tables and stained glass lamps, chairs etc from auctions. auctionzip.com is a great resource for local auctions and ones that will ship. I got a beautiful dining room table from the 50’s for $13 because not many locals bid. Definitely a place to look.

covok48 1 point ago +2 / -1

Auctions are just selling what was already made. That’s a stopgap, not a solution.

Macho_MaamV2 2 points ago +2 / -0

Goodwill stores near rich areas have been a goldmine for me

Musicbymuzak 18 points ago +18 / -0

Dude yes.... Big lots had some stupid ugly pleather recliner that'll be out on the curb in 3-4 years when it's all peeled to shit for A THOUSAND DOLLARS

liberpede 11 points ago +11 / -0

I 100% agree with you. This is what we need to do.

Now, here's why it's difficult:

The federal government has been making it more and more difficult to operate manufacturing within the US. EPA restrictions, OSHA, licensing, have all made it far more difficult to manufacture.

But that's not even the worst of it. If a prospective factory owner could just look at the current regs and devise a compliance strategy, that wouldn't be insurmountable.

What really makes it daunting is how rapidly the government is willing to slap down new regulations, or new interpretations of existing regulations.

If you're an American contemplating getting in to manufacturing, you have to deal with this "regulatory risk", ie the risk that you invest several million dollars, or even more, into your business, only to have that business rendered mathematically unprofitable by regulatory changes.

No one wants to deal with that kind of uncertainty, especially when the commies have demonstrated no compunction about using the regulatory state as a weapon against their political adversaries.

In order to overcome this, we have 2 options:

  1. retake control of the regulatory state and strangle it.

  2. embrace the parallel economy.

The commies will fight with everything they've got against either solution.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but we should certainly keep our eyes open about what we're up against.

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covok48 1 point ago +2 / -1

As we are learning (again), people will pay any price for something they perceive they need, especially when there’s no knowledge of when it will come back.

liberpede 0 points ago +3 / -3

Tariffs are a bad thing.

Yes, we have been manipulated into closing crucial industries by cheap availability from overseas.

I don't know if you know this, but we have an immense talent and resource pool here.

I've never worked in the mining industry, but I wholeheartedly believe that, in the absence of stifling regulation, I could put together a team and produce commercial quantities of iron ore from the shuttered great lakes iron mines in a very short timeframe.

Without the regulatory burdens, Americans with far more experience than I could retool those industries even faster.

If we can buy adequate products more cheaply, that helps our industry, because it frees up manpower, innovation, and capital to pursue other, more profitable products.

The only hiccup comes when foreign suppliers intentionally attempt to create a dependency and then deny access.

This would not work on a country like the US if we freed our innovators from the burdens of onerous regulation; we could simply, rapidly, reboot any domestic industry foreign actors attempt to use as a cudgel against us.

Look at energy for a shining example!

How many pundits spent how many decades wringing their hands about every dependence?

Donald Trump cleared some hurdles, and we became not only energy independent, but a net energy exporter in no time flat.

Now Joe is rapidly and systematically dismantling that achievement.

BTW, I have worked extensively in the energy industry, watching closely how this has worked. I was part of this achievement. So I'm not just speaking out of my ass when I tell you we could accomplish the same thing in other industries if the regulatory climate was brought under control.

It's all about the regulation.

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liberpede 1 point ago +2 / -1

Yes, I am fully aware that tariffs were used extensively earlier in American history. That does not necessarily mean they were the best way. Our understanding of economics has advanced substantially since those days. The horse and buggy aren't the best way to accomplish transport, though they were used extensively in American history.

Sales tax (without respect to origin) and/or property tax. Those are the way to go. If you're ready to accept the notion of taxes at all. Taxation is theft, after all.

Workers in America have numerous, substantial competitive advantages over workers in, say, Bangladesh.

  1. education and intelligence. American workers are capable of more. But they'll call you a racist if you say so.

  2. access to American infrastructure. American workers live amongst some of the greatest (once the absolute greatest) manufacturing and transport infrastructure in the world.

  3. access to American markets. American workers live amongst the wealthiest population the world has ever known, with the lowest transport costs possible to reach those markets. This transport is also much harder to disrupt than international trade.

  4. access to American innovation. American workers live amongst (and some are) the greatest innovators the world has ever known. Don't underestimate this power.

  5. access to American capital. This should be read as both intellectual capital, and financial capital. There is nowhere else in the world where you could find better access to better expertise in nearly any subject. This resource alone is of stupendous value.

In the end, if you want to make more than the Bangladeshi factory worker, it is you who is responsible to figure out how you can offer the world more than he.

The above list details several ways you have a head start on him.

Thinking that someone else owes you more competitive advantage than that, that you are somehow a "victim" if you are forced to compete with the poor, uneducated masses of the world...

Well, that's some weak sauce Marxist victimhood bullshit.

Be a man. Use what's around you to achieve your goals. If no one else is offering you employment to your own satisfaction, then man up and build your own business.

Freedom is hard. We don't get to demand guarantees of our security, financial or otherwise. But we are empowered to control our own destiny. That's the nature of it.

But ridiculous levels of regulation have crippled that empowerment, which is why it must end.

Why is competing against a Bangladeshi factory worker scary to you? Freedom is scary for those who don't believe in themselves...

I believe in you. I believe in us.

SnowflakeJuice 5 points ago +5 / -0

Dude, your'e an economic illiterate and sound like you're 12.

Property tax is the most unfair tax ever invented. The tax burden bears no relation to ones ability to afford it, and the government can force you out of your own home in order to pay it

liberpede 0 points ago +1 / -1

Dude, your ad hominem attacks are pitiful, and reveal a disturbing lack of confidence that you possess any actual arguments.

Property tax is the most unfair tax ever invented. The tax burden bears no relation to ones ability to afford it, and the government can force you out of your own home in order to pay it.

All tax is unfair. Taxation is theft.

If we're going to pretend that a government authority possesses the "right" to extract wealth from the people living on some designated piece of land, there are going to be unfair aspects of that extraction.

If you own land, you can presumably put that land to good economic use, so it bears more relationship to your ability to pay than any other tax.

Yes, it is deeply unsettling to contemplate that you can never actually "own" land, that you are, at best, a tenant of the government, who can evict you at will.

But looking at it any other way is merely pretending, as long as we accept the existence of government in any semblance of its current form.

If you're actually interested in learning how alternative, completely voluntary schemes could work, feel free to holler.

You'll find that I am rather far away from "economically illiterate".

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Wedge_Serif 2 points ago +2 / -0

You do realize that all the regulated industries we have today started out unregulated, right? If lack of regulation leads to such prosperity, why do regulations exist?

The answer, my Objectivist friend, is that humans are apes. We are greedy. We are selfish. We care only about members of our own tribe; the "other" must be destroyed. That's human nature.

Capitalism is about generating profit over everything else. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is selling something. The "innovators" you invoke only innovate new ways of generating profit. Given the choice between improving the quality of a product and cutting its costs, the cost-cutting is always chosen.

You have this idea that people go into business for the sake of making something or providing a service. They don't. People go into business to make profit. Lack of regulation only allows the greediest and most selfish people to thrive at the expense of everyone else's health and lives.

Which, according to your staunch atheist idol, is exactly what we should be doing. No pity, just profit.

That's not a world I want to inhabit.

liberpede 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's the Marxist caricature of capitalism you're using there, friend.

Yes, capitalism is driven by seeking profit. Profit which must come, in the absence of regulations and privileges granted by government, from a voluntary exchange.

If you remove the crony capitalist bullshit, anyone who wishes to increase their wealth must figure out how to provide other people with goods and services they value more than the money he will ask in exchange.

That is not "taking advantage" of anyone.

"the cost-cutting is always chosen."

That's just not true. Cost cutting is powerful, because most people want to figure out how to economize their resources. If they can purchase an "equivalent" product for a lower price, they will do so.

"Equivalent" here means "for their purposes". It doesn't matter if you and I don't evaluate the products as equivalent, it's up to the person making the purchase, as it should be.

There are high quality versions of many products available, but the majority of my fellow citizens seem to prefer the cheap "cost cutting" versions most of the time.

I don't agree with them on a lot of the cheap crap we wind up buying, but it's not my place, or yours, to replace the value judgements of our fellow citizens with our own.

It is a perfectly valid decision to choose disposable goods and just plan on repurchasing in the future, even if you and I disagree.

Pretending we should be allowed to substitute our own judgment for those people is collectivist, central planning, Marxist bullshit, no matter how convinced we are that we are smarter than these poor rubes.

Freedom is messy and scary, precisely because you don't get to exercise control over every little thing you don't like about the choices other people make.

But it is hands down, without a doubt, provably through history, the most powerful tool the world has ever known for the destruction of poverty, the creation of wealth, and the flourishing of human happiness.

Don't buy the Marxist libels about how capitalism "has no heart". That's bullshit.

A capitalist is beholden to the preferences of his customers, including emotional preferences, in a way no central planner ever has been or ever will be.

The impulse to pretend otherwise always precedes an attempt to take control of some thing that a tyrant find he disagrees with the decisions of the people.

SnowflakeJuice 1 point ago +1 / -0

I could put together a team to harvest water from Lake Michigan.

There is no shortage of iron ore in this country. No one ever claimed their was.

liberpede 0 points ago +1 / -1

But there is a shortage of iron ore extraction companies.

And steel mills.

And manufacturing.


That's exactly my point.

We have the resources. We have the talent.

So, why aren't we doing it?

The answer is stifling regulation.

Barbs 2 points ago +2 / -0

No, the problem is we’re competing with commies who use slave labor, and a government that will prop up an industry, while it runs at a loss, in order to destroy our domestic producers.

“Stifling regulation” has nothing to do with it, because it’s real fucking amazing how fast our steel mills reopened when we slapped China with a tariff that made them pay for their gaming of the market. Suddenly we could be competitive again.

liberpede 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're not entirely off base with this...

But the fact that we can rapidly reestablish our steel industry means that, if those retarded slave driving commies want to sell us steel below cost, we should buy it, and use it to build more and better than we would have been able to do had we been paying actual cost...

That's only dangerous if we are unable to reboot our steel industry at the drop of a hat...

But that's not the case, as you have just shown!

This is why I'm advocating for an extremely agile, flexible American economy!

When you're capable of doing whatever pays the best or needs to be done the most (exactly as Americans are), you can take advantage of others behaving foolishly, doing things like selling you raw materials or even finished goods below cost.

Regulation, and the threat of additional, unknown regulation, are the largest impediment to that agility, and prevent us from fully exercising our national superpower.

It sounds scary to people who don't have enough faith in themselves. I, for one, believe that my skills, determination, hard work, and adaptability will mean that, even if my steel mill closes because of cheap Chinese steel, I will find work at the engine plant, or the medical equipment plant... or wherever those traits have the best applicability at the moment.

And I have faith in you, my fellow American worker, that you possess skills and attributes that will always be in demand, no matter how hard ole Winnie Xinping whips his slaves.

Freedom is only scary to those whose faith in themselves is weak. You are more of a badass than you are giving yourself credit for!

Fussbudget 7 points ago +7 / -0

totally agree. i feel ripped off just looking at all the soulless crap today.

suckmycorona 3 points ago +3 / -0

And we get hit with a sales tax on that shit also.

fReeeeeeeeeeedom 35 points ago +35 / -0

This year I've made the point to shop local. It may costs a little more, but I would rather my money go towards locally owned business.

Feels good man.

NotAPuma 19 points ago +19 / -0

It's also better for the Economy if Money stays in America, and with Americans eventually people will get paid more. Assuming of course, Inflation wasn't out of control.

liberpede 5 points ago +5 / -0

Uh, I was told inflation was actually a good thing.

Uncle Joe would never lead us astray.

NotAPuma 1 point ago +1 / -0

So True. He also likes Kids more than Adults, what a nice guy!

Macho_MaamV2 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's transitory. Kind of like Admiral Levine

covok48 1 point ago +2 / -1

Inflation needs to be matched or exceeded by economic growth for it to “work”.

NotAPuma 1 point ago +1 / -0

More like exceeded for the next 20 Years. Inflation has been creeping up on us since the 90s. Furthermore, National Debt needs to be dealt with.

NotAPuma 1 point ago +1 / -0

More like exceeded for the next 20 Years. Inflation has been creeping up on us since the 90s. Furthermore, National Debt needs to be dealt with.

TommyJarvis 3 points ago +3 / -0

You mean the country that is paying people not to work?

Registered 27 points ago +27 / -0

Most American factories worth anything won't re-tool or invest in equipment that would allow them to start making the shit that China makes. Then you have the labor and environmental issues that the Chinese don't have to abide by. America fucked itself.

TommyJarvis 15 points ago +15 / -0

Consider this: a business owner is afraid to make massive investment now because any day their business may be forced to close again because of a sniffle. There’s no due process, no recourse. Just mandate. That’s why American companies are afraid to grow.

liberpede 6 points ago +6 / -0

That and the fear of arbitrary, capricious, business-ending regulation in any number of areas, yeah.

Ask gun industry business owners what it's like working with the ATF...

Or any industry dealing with OSHA, EPA, etc, etc...

In a world where commies are perfectly happy to use the regulatory state as a weapon against their political adversaries, and they run all of the above agencies, it's not hard to fathom the reasons that patriotic Americans are hesitant to invest in rebuilding crucial infrastructure, even when they know that's what the country needs.

6969 2 points ago +2 / -0

what is bizzare to me is that the ATF and EPA gets to choose what the law is. They interpret the law how they see fit. If anything congress should interpret the law and they only enforce it. but better solution is just abolish them all.

liberpede 1 point ago +1 / -0

As long as the government exercises the power to choose winners and losers in the world of business, that power will draw (and create) the corrupt.

The only long term solution is to emphatically deny this power to any government. Period.

Hussar 2 points ago +2 / -0

I am baffled by how disinterested the environmentalist left is when it comes to drawing manufacturing away from China.

If the concern is that mining and manufacturing are environmentally risky, then why would we want to cede ground to the CCP, which doesn't even pretend to care about the environment? Wouldn't the more "green" solution be to encourage manufacturing to move back to the states where it could be more closely monitored for actual environmental concerns?

But no, we're going to let China take the lead on manufacturing. The nation that regularly dominates "Most Polluted Cities" lists, year after year. Yeah, that makes sense.

Karma_Bus_Route_20 2 points ago +2 / -0

This confuses me too. It seems like it should be the perfect bipartisan idea, but it's not.

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Capitalism_Fuck_Yeah -1 points ago +4 / -5

Some of the environmental laws are a good thing. We just need to force other countries to follow suit or pay enormous import taxes.

Others like carbonphobia make zero sense.

plaaaa 26 points ago +26 / -0

The government bans manufacturing un USA on purpose for "environmental" or "ethical" reasons. Forcing purchases from countries who bribe the correct politicians.

Basically gov is a mafia asking to pocket 10% for their personal bank account for permissions.

radioactivedk 1 point ago +1 / -0

10% for the “big guy!”

crazyfingers619 22 points ago +23 / -1

Nothign about our world makes sense to me. The way we buy food in disposable plastic, eat it on throw away plates, use a small portion of a napkin and throw it away. Heat it in an appliance made to fall apart within 5 years, sit in chairs constructed out of junk that costs 400 dollars.

Our entire economy is based on insanity, exploiting our stupidity and laziness.

It's a pet peeve of mine how people will only eat off of pristine plates with forks and spoons cycle washed with excessive electricity and cleaning products, because god forbid there's a spot of water on your fork as you eat the carcass of dead animals, seasoned with cheese that's been culturing for months, seasoned with sauces made with fermented fish guts.

But everyeon's gotta have their new phones, their new cars, their little bit of fancy shit because they gotta have their toys. All while lecturing about "muh carbon footprint" as they willfully forget about the child labor wage slaves oversees.

The_Usurper 20 points ago +20 / -0

We went from the milk man bringing milk in reusable glass jars to having a single meal delivered in a cardboard box with each item wrapped in plastic. It’s disgusting. Everything about the modern world is AIDS.

TommyJarvis 8 points ago +8 / -0

1960 was peak America.

Change my mind

Logan051361 5 points ago +5 / -0

yep, I remember those days when I was A kid. Our house had a Milk Chute or they would leave it on the Poarch. we had a Vegetable Truck and many others that would drive down the Street.

radioactivedk 4 points ago +4 / -0

Damn, I’m in my 50s and thought I was on the older side here. Fucking milk delivery? That’s from when Pelosi started in politics!

Logan051361 3 points ago +3 / -0

I am 60. I grew up in Detroit before the great White Flight of the Early 1970s. Yep, we had a Milk man. He also delivered Other dairy such as Ice cream

MatthiasBlack 2 points ago +2 / -0

My parents still have a milk man. The milk still comes in the little glass containers from the dairy farm too. It's awesome.

Logan051361 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wow I didn't know that was still around

radioactivedk 1 point ago +1 / -0

Makes sense. You don’t have to go too far south before “dairy delivery” turns into “sour chunks” delivery 10 months out of the year.

radioactivedk 6 points ago +6 / -0

The products aren’t even made to last only five years, you’re just lucky if it does last five years.

Everything is made to pull off the illusion of being quality just long enough to get a contract signed.

The_Usurper 4 points ago +4 / -0

The freezer in my basement was made in the 70s and I never worry about it. The one in my kitchen is three years old and it could die any time now and I wouldn’t be surprised.

cciv 21 points ago +21 / -0

It's almost as if a former President had once warned us of being too reliant on imports...

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HorribleDeplorable 4 points ago +5 / -1

What multi-million dollar company did you create? Did you make any major efforts rallying against campaign fraud? Any personal conversations with Trump lately?

Didn’t think so.

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HorribleDeplorable 1 point ago +1 / -0

It’s going to be ok. Just point to the part of the doll where the pillow touched you.

Fignugent 14 points ago +16 / -2

only made in america dragon dildos here

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spelunking_librator 5 points ago +5 / -0

I feel like the sight of it would leave some mental scars.

TommyJarvis 4 points ago +4 / -0

I don’t even fucking want to know

Amateurgynecologist 2 points ago +2 / -0

I tried explaining it to my ex and it got....really awkward

Even though I was with her for a quarter century. Some things are best left unsaid

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TommyJarvis 8 points ago +8 / -0

Except all the computer chips that literally run everything, of course. We are in need of that Chinese crap pretty badly.

It’s not about trash you buy on Amazon or Dollar General, it’s about not being able to buy a refrigerator anymore. That’s not going to get fixed anytime soon.

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DennyCrane 7 points ago +7 / -0

High end?

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Walleye-vision71 11 points ago +11 / -0

It’s hard to make jars here when you have to pay the workers $35 an hour, every benefit under the sun, and massive lifetime pension at 50 years old.

Logan051361 9 points ago +9 / -0

yep, Unions Chased away The companies for cheaper labor. Now we pay for it

RStroud 5 points ago +5 / -0

We signed treaties and gave them layers of regulatory and financial incentives to leave. Very few people profited from it.

A factory's wages benefited an American town, and while the factory owner might get rich, he spent and invested his profits domestically (and largely locally). Now the factory benefits people in another country, and the profits are reinvested in building more foreign factories, or are distributed as dividends which are then invested in large corporations centered around large financial centers. With the rise of large corporate retail, they siphoned even more money away from the local economy.

This is how they gutted entire cities and countless small towns in Middle America. Look around and see who invested in the buildings and factories that are now sitting derelict and crumbling. They were the actual "middle class".

BillionsAndBillions 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, "middle class" has been redefined to hide how far America has fallen. It used to mean a person who could live off the profits of his modest investments, but was not lavishly wealthy. The working class exchanged regular labor for a wage in order to live. The middle class, as it was once understood, is all but extinct.

RStroud 1 point ago +1 / -0

Here, there are several family names that everyone knows. They're attached to countless buildings, parks, scholarships, and foundations. They built little empires around various businesses that lasted decades. These families all sold out or went out of business in the 80s-90s. Nothing like them has replaced them.

On a more local level, our small towns mainstreets are empty shells. Where we used to have grocers, pharmacies, cafes, hardware stores, department stores, and barbers...now we have a Dollar General. There's a Walmart thirty miles away, where their "downtown" is bigger but just as empty.

The people that ran those stores, and their employees, mostly kept the money in their community. They were also members of various clubs and associations that invested in civic projects and sponsored community events. Nothing replaced these people. The prices might be lower, but the profits all get sent someplace else.

BillionsAndBillions 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yep, America has been gutted. It's very sad.

Train_w_no_brakes 2 points ago +2 / -0

Exactly. Unions are cancer on this country

DannibusX 9 points ago +9 / -0

I look for Made in America with everything I shop for. It’s rare.

The last thing I buy is Chinese made. I’ll kick the Vietnamese money first.

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Cocopepe 8 points ago +8 / -0

FUCK HARBOR FREIGHT and anyone that shops there as first choice.

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BlitheringIdiot 7 points ago +7 / -0

Exactly. Our custom is to look on Amazon but then go to the actual website of the company that makes whatever it is we want. Also, I'm using Google a whole lot more to find things. As bad as they are, they at least just show you things for various companies.

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VonTyger 6 points ago +6 / -0

I got a 3d printer a week or so ago, one that actually works. First one I had years before this was unreliable. I've been making half of my own consumer items for my move with it. It's pretty sweet.

A lot of the existing commercial stuff will probably be phased out within the next 20 years.

FilterBubbles 4 points ago +4 / -0

What kind did you get? I'm looking to get into it and it seems like a good time to start.

VonTyger 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm using a Flashforge Adventure 3. I bought a random fancy Chinese one (well, Flashforge is also Chinese I think, but has better English support). Chinese one I bought had double extruders and stuff but didn't work. I returned it.

My Flashforge Adventure 3 has basically been running non-stop since I got it. It did require some initial setup and you need a ventilated room if you use non-PLA, but otherwise I'm happy with it.

I've designed a hydroponics system and expect it to have it printed out in PETG by the time my seedlings are fully grown! So far I've just made random household stuff with PLA.

agentgruer2 2 points ago +2 / -0

I would recommend the Ender 3 Pro. They run for about $250 and they print decently. Unfortunately, it’s Chinese but you’ll be able to determine whether or not it’s something you want to get into without completely breaking your budget.

Annoyedwiththedevoid 1 point ago +1 / -0

It is. If you look around, you can find some fun things that are surprisingly similar to steel firearms

AtheistTrumper 6 points ago +6 / -0

We need computer chips which come from Taiwan. Once China "reunificates" them, we're fucked.

Logan051361 5 points ago +5 / -0

the end of this Year or Sooner, China Invades them and Our collapse happens sooner than we thought. Car parts that are coming in are all crap and break easily. Plus there is a shortage of many parts cause they are all in other countries. We are fucked.

PM_Me_Ur_Weird_Bendy 5 points ago +5 / -0

The biggest lie was that machines replaced workers.... Chinese people replaced workers

NinjaFish 5 points ago +5 / -0

Medicines manufactured in China, but also our food production (beef chicken processing) as well. Google it, its not ideal.

MrEvangelon1 5 points ago +5 / -0

The reason US products cost more is because of Unions.

Most of the things unions fought for in the 1900s have already been made law.

Take_it_back 4 points ago +4 / -0

I’m very serious about not buying in China and it’s tough sometimes. Some things you can not get made anywhere but China. Stainless steel insulated mugs, for instance seem to only be made in China.

Another problem is parts and raw materials. It’s very hard to get information on where components of a product come from. But it’s worth it to try and to do the best we can.

mdxmdx 4 points ago +4 / -0

not true. look it up on Zojirushi from Japan.

Take_it_back 1 point ago +1 / -0

Never heard of zojirushi. I’ll look into it

Take_it_back 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’ve been looking and I see they manufacture in several countries including Japan. I haven’t found yet where their insulated cups are made. Do you have a source for that info?

CanadianTrump 3 points ago +3 / -0

For some reason, taiwan and china are the only places that can vacuum stainless steel.

Take_it_back 2 points ago +2 / -0

I would by from Taiwan in a heartbeat. Is there a brand you know of??

It got to the point where we just decided to live without insulated cups but we miss them.

TommyJarvis 2 points ago +2 / -0

Stainless steel insulated mugs, for instance seem to only be made in China

Was going to refute you about Yeti until I looked it up.


SaltyKrakenBalls 4 points ago +4 / -0

Time to get the hemp fields planted.

just_do_it 4 points ago +4 / -0

Economists made the argument long ago that because it is cheaper to specialize in production of certain goods, we could buy cheaper products and labor from other countries than produce it ourselves. i.e. you are not always and efficient producer of multiple products because of specialization.

So companies/factories that produced items here such as cloth ended up going bankrupt to companies that imported.

It's true to an extent, but here's the issue: sacrificing independence isn't always worth it because they become the only source and can shut if off. Guess economists ways are finally backfiring.

Dratchev 4 points ago +4 / -0

Maybe if we had a certain guy in the WH instead of the globalist piece of shit we would be making this things again.

45ForEver2024 4 points ago +4 / -0

The free market will sort it out.

radioactivedk 2 points ago +2 / -0

Free market has declared slave labor the winner with the competitive edge!

Tacticalsmoke420 4 points ago +4 / -0

It’s a fake to cover for Biden’s Afghanistan blunder and the election fraud

Boudicca2 [S] 13 points ago +13 / -0

It's an embargo to make Americans suffer.

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Registered 5 points ago +5 / -0

An embargo at our own port of entry?

zentoco 4 points ago +4 / -0

There's a Made in America store right around the corner from me. I need to get off my happy ass and go. I don't like people or leaving the house if I can help it, but now need to get out of my comfort zone and support them.

Black-RAM 4 points ago +4 / -0

I would be willing to pay more than a couple of bucks for stuff that actually lasted and was of decent quality. Something as simple as a toaster, first one I had (1985) was made in Canada, lasted over 20 years without a problem, since that one broke I have bought seven, a new one every three or so years. They are not inexpensive either paid about $55 for this last one. China crap is everywhere now and it's all garbage.

Koolzero 3 points ago +3 / -0

Do they ship produce on any container ships? If so I hate to think how much stuff on those ships will be rotten/un-sellable, hopefully nothing perishable is transported this way. There could even be expensive Italian made leather sofas on those ships that the elite are waiting months to get, not just cheaply produced Chinese goods. I had seen on youtube a few months ago where Boba tea places in the US couldn’t get enough ingredients because it was imported from Taiwan. I’m not sure if this can be cultivated in the US or not, this is just one example I’m sure there are hundreds or thousands more. Like something else I can think of is coconut milk in the can I buy from the Asian store comes from Thailand. I buy it when I make Panang Curry, all those types of stores will be in a pinch if they cannot get stuff off of container ships. It’s got a bigger impact than just lets start making shit in America. I’m all for creating more stuff in the US but it’s going to be very difficult in regards to raw materials because some of it will have to be imported for building computer chips, electronics, batteries, screens, all the things that go into building a smart phone or a laptop, etc…

But the elites argument is we just have to lower our expectations and also we buy too much stuff and we need to stop it.

RocksCanOnlyWait 2 points ago +2 / -0

Do they ship produce on any container ships?

Some produce originates in China, but it's typically the stuff which can last longer when refrigerated, such as apples.

HumblePig 3 points ago +3 / -0

Someone at work created 3D printable laptop plug-ins for the conference rooms. Soon we can make our own cheap plastic crap.

Purple_Drank 3 points ago +3 / -0

Unions need to go.

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NinjaFish 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ture, the only issue is that the time it would take the US to ramp up and begin making much of this for ourselves would be two CoVid weeks

Donger-Lord2 3 points ago +3 / -0

So never and forever?

TommyJarvis 2 points ago +2 / -0

And we’re still paying people not yo work

ThebigLMAOski17 3 points ago +3 / -0

the biggest issue, even when trying to buy "american made" products... unless it's a basic drop forged hammer or something the item is likely being built with parts from china.

even if the electronics are made here... the parts used to make those electronics are built using chinese capacitors, resistors, switches, buttons, boards, chips, ect...

i tried to buy a bike... they outsource some of their components from china. even if that bike is 95% stuff made in america... that 5% holds up the entire end product.

sadly it's usually the reverse... 95% of the parts come from china, then it's assembled or even just repackaged here in the states and claimed to be "made in the USA"

we created this problem, we have to solve this problem, we need a list of genuine american made products we can all support.

if you need a chair... you buy the one chair that is 100% made in the US... and you make sure the manufacturer knows why they got your money.

it's the only way out of this hole we've dug.

Byethen 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ive spent the last year producing a product in michigan and managed to make something that is CHEAPER than any product in its class coming out of china.

You can do it folks!!!

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nutmeg 3 points ago +3 / -0

All of our essientials should be made here, that's a given. All trade agreements should be viewd through the lens of US independence....but I'm not against trade completely and think it's necessary to have everything people would like. It's not all from China either.

ggnoreeeeeeeeeee 3 points ago +3 / -0

don't worry bro let me build some factories I'll be done in 6-9 months then we can eat.

uniformist 3 points ago +3 / -0

Like iPhones and Android phones?

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Bohemyth_2 3 points ago +3 / -0

The new world order Bush the First spoke about in 1990 was the demonic root of what made these evil cretins today believe this all would work.

radioactivedk 1 point ago +1 / -0

It was sad to see rural and smaller city America support this asshole and his son because he would talk about “Jesus” on the stump. At the same time he and his globalist buddies were helping shut down the only jobs left in those same small and rural communities.

I bitched about this way back then but so many people around me were employed by the government in some form or fashion that they didn’t feel the impact immediately.

gustodog 3 points ago +3 / -0

Now that commies moved our manufacturing there yeah. Obviously we should rebuild manufacturing here stat.

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rossiFan 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm in technology in the packaging manufacturing vertical. We are rocking and rolling, and have been since the Wuflu started.

TheContrarian2 3 points ago +3 / -0

Unfortunately, yes, I have needed that stuff, and we simply don't manufacturer it in the US any longer. We could start making things again and make them of a higher quality, but you cannot fire up an integrated circuit or electronical component plant overnight.

We're getting what some short sighted individuals from decades past deserve. Shit, when our own military relies upon components manufactured by our adversaries, there's a problem.

2224522 3 points ago +3 / -0

300 up votes with only a few comments about WHY THIS happened how it happened and why You can just shit a ready made factory 100’s if trained employees, working for shit wages and 16 hour days! Please use your heads. If every one could do this they would. Their plan was to break America and use Union labor force to do it. Use cheaply made good in massive quantities to drive America out of business and it worked. Until Donald J Trump.

Greenhills 3 points ago +3 / -0

That’s what I keep saying. All these fired employees should start new companies for a parallel economy.

suitcasegate 3 points ago +3 / -0

The crap you buy from China is what is funding the Hypersonic missiles they will use to nuke America.

ViolentNPCS 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just tell companies they have to pull entirely out of China. If they do, they will enjoy a 0% tax rate for a few years, capping it at like... 5%. And everything they spent or lost moving back to the USA, can be deferred declared against taxes until they are made whole.

vongregormench 3 points ago +3 / -0

Well Trump attempted to address this but he was ridiculed from all sides.

Salt_n_Pepe 3 points ago +3 / -0

I've been boycotting China since waaay before it was cool. Been avoiding their garbage for 20 years bc I knew they would become a monster.

OwlHoller 3 points ago +3 / -0

Paid $300 for a porch rocking chair last weekend and heard from no less than a dozen friends and family…

“(Insert chain here) has then for $129 right now!!”

Made in China press wood shit.

I literally had someone’s grandpa make one for me and it’s perfect

StrangeQuark 3 points ago +3 / -0

Shit, my dad was a glassblower and got fucked by Obama working with China

NotAnotherNPC 3 points ago +3 / -0

We're already paying those couple dollars more.... might as well NOT be fucking Chinese made.