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nozonozo 36 points ago +36 / -0

A prop gun, filled with blanks, malfunctioned when it was fired by star Alec Baldwin

What malfunction? A gun was fired at two people, injured one, killed the other. That’s what guns do.

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IamDevo 9 points ago +9 / -0

What? I need to read into this more.

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zooty 10 points ago +10 / -0

Not confirmed yet as far as I'm aware. Fog of war still (no pun intended).

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G_regulator 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wouldn't surprise me though. He's a bully, he beat up Kim Bassinger because she beat him out for an Oscar or something.

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zooty 3 points ago +3 / -0

Oh, for sure. Bit of a booze hound as well, I understand.

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militarysnoopy 7 points ago +7 / -0

He's of the protected class, so it's a malfunction.

If he wasn't tied to Hollywood, this would be an act of white supremacy.

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nozonozo 3 points ago +3 / -0

The malfunction was in that defective brain of his.

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HuggableBear 3 points ago +3 / -0

Neither of whom were actors in the movie. Literally zero reason for this to happen except blatant negligence.

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ChuckedBeef 15 points ago +15 / -0

WTF the DP and Director surely weren't scripted to be shot. Alec needs to go down for murder.

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militarysnoopy 7 points ago +7 / -0

The director called to re-shoot a scene. Baldwin got annoyed and said "Another take? How I about I just fuckin shoot the both of ya?" and then shot them both.

That sounds a lot like premeditation. Charge him with Murder 1, Attempted Murder 1, Assault with a Deadly Weapon, Criminal Possession of a Weapon

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Lordahdaring 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'm fully semi-erect.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yep, the same people who think that "high capacity clips" get used up when you shoot.

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42rle 41 points ago +41 / -0

Malfunction? No! You don’t point a firearm at anyone and pull the trigger. The only malfunction was letting Baldwin handle a firearm

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seventysixdon 9 points ago +9 / -0

If only he had taken classes....

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago +2 / -0

Alec Baldwin is the malfunction.

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leakmouth [S] 32 points ago +33 / -1

Yep. He has a horrible temper. Especially on set. I think it was deliberate and now they’re trying to cover for him

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DestroyerofCobwebs 25 points ago +25 / -0

If that's true then he deserves to be charged with Manslaughter.

Also just reinforces what I've learned about anti-gunners over the years. They're anti-gun because they know they can't be trusted with one, so in their minds no one else can, either.

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DestroyerofCobwebs 13 points ago +13 / -0

Isn't he the one that assaulted a guy in the street a few years back for parking in 'his' spot?

Eight-ball says, this pattern of behavior indicates his actions may have been intentional.

2nd degree murder, if he was visibly angry at the people he was pointing this weapon at.

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koditxu 3 points ago +3 / -0

I mean, who among us has not called our 11 or 12 or however old you are daughter a selfish pig?

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago +2 / -0

He's been treating people like shit his entire life. It's well documented. He's a real piece of shit, which explains why the leftists love him.

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leakmouth [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

Well he should be charged with murder but seeing that this clown world, he’ll probably get a book deal and a show on CNN

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Bongos 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just a theory but very plausible.

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asimplelurker 23 points ago +24 / -1

I hate that they keep calling it a "prop gun".

Its a gun. If it can fire blanks, it can fire bullets.

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Filo76 6 points ago +6 / -0

They have specifically designed prop guns that will only fit a caliber of bullet used by the prop industry. All designed to be blanks.

No idea if that was the case here or if they were real guns with blanks. Either way, still very dangerous.

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zooty 2 points ago +2 / -0

I mean, it was being used as a prop (presumably) so I don't think it's awful and it does differentiate things from Baldwin doing it deliberately with an intended weapon (which maybe he did but it's looking more like it probably was not at this point).

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BaldyGull 1 point ago +2 / -1

It is like assault weapons used for plinking. Still assault weapon. Prop gun used for murder, still a prop gun. It just makes common sense.

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zooty 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm not sure what you're getting at. It was a gun that was a prop in the movie. If they were saying "replica gun" or something, I could see your point.

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BaldyGull 1 point ago +2 / -1

My point is that it is a murder weapon at this point. They say prop gun to deflect from the fact that Alec Baldwin pointed a, clearly lethal, weapon at someone and pulled the trigger. Calling it a prop gun makes normies think it was nit a lethal weapon, but it clearly was.

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zooty 2 points ago +2 / -0

Just returning to this to reply that you're right. A gun is a gun and there's no excuse for using a functional one on a movie set.

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ThunderCuntHillary 1 point ago +1 / -0

What the fuck are assault weapons?

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unemotioNOLE 1 point ago +1 / -0

" prop guns"

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BaldyGull 1 point ago +1 / -0

Weapons used for assault, like nunchuks or lawn darts.

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TAIWANNUMBERONE 12 points ago +13 / -1

Blanks are only lethal within about 3 yards distance, and even then only when point at vitals. The amount of damage control for this is suspicious.

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zooty 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'm wondering if someone saw hollowpoints or something and thought they were blanks. Would have to be very inexperienced though.

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Taliesin 3 points ago +5 / -2

Not a hollowpoint if the round went through the first person shot to hit another. Hollowpoints shatter into fragments which lose momentum into their target.

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DivvyDivet 3 points ago +3 / -0

He pulled the trigger twice. There were two shots fired.

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Taliesin 3 points ago +3 / -0

That is insane. He must have seen the first victim get hit. Why would he have pulled the trigger a second time?

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DivvyDivet 3 points ago +3 / -0

Why would he have pulled the trigger a second time?

This is just my assumption, but I don't think this was an accident. The two people shot weren't even the ones required by the scene. One wasn't an actor.

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Taliesin 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am seeing conflicting claims. We may have to wait until a clear account of the incident emerges.

In an email to its members, Local 44 of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, a union that represents prop masters, said the shot that killed Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza on Thursday was “a live single round.”

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set?_amp=true

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zooty 2 points ago +2 / -0

Assuming one shot.

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rcstl 5 points ago +5 / -0

Blanks, by definition, do not have a projectile. They are charged and crimped. This is so they can propel a grenade without damaging it or the gun and can be fired into the air without hurting someone down range.

Also, Simunition and the blanks used by military for their laser training rifles and vests don't have projectiles.

We will never know why they used a firearm previously loaded with real rounds. All we know is that the dumasses are so hung up on feel good talk that they did not bother to learn about how to safely handle the object of their stupidity.

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TAIWANNUMBERONE 2 points ago +2 / -0

Powder spray and paper wadding alone are lethal, but judging how quickly these people died that isn't what killed them. Every other case I've heard of this involved the victim being in the hospital for days from fractures bones and internal bleeding.

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rcstl 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah, no. Paper or plastic unless fired at body contact will bruise, abraid or possibly lacerate. Rarely, not much more. Think about the effects of bullets on body armor. The bullet hits at speed, the vest deforms and all that happens is a bruise.

Another analogy: I throw a half pound plastic object at you and a half pound of lead. Which is gonna be an ouchie? If I hit you with a plastic pipe or a steel pipe?

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 1 point ago +1 / -0

Most modern blanks are simply crimped and don't use wadding, and even the older rounds with paper or plastic wadding are not going to cause serious injury unless fired at point blank range.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 1 point ago +1 / -0

Older blanks often contained wadding or a plug, usually made of paper or plastic, but even with those they aren't going to be lethal at anything but point blank range. I agree that this was almost certainly a live ammo situation.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago +2 / -0

Blanks aren't even lethal at a few feet. This was most likely live ammo.

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Lordahdaring 11 points ago +11 / -0

The blank passed through one person into another... because they don't teach physics, chemistry, biology or anything scientific anymore.

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Bearing51 4 points ago +4 / -0

They did when this schmuck was in school. He was just too busy sniffing his own farts to care about the safety of himself and others.

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Lordahdaring 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dude went to like "performing arts" schools his whole life... just like on Jeopardy, they give actors easy questions.

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DivvyDivet 3 points ago +3 / -0

They do teach it but you forgot that liberals are literally retarded.

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Lordahdaring 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm not convinced that they did.

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DestroyerofCobwebs 4 points ago +4 / -0

Movie blanks typically have more powder charge than a regular cartridge, to create better effects as well as cycle the action without a bullet to push against.

Any obstruction in the barrel, even a small one, could become a deadly projectile when propelled by that much gas expanding at 5000fps.

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Block_Helen 8 points ago +8 / -0

Weird that it hit both the cinematographer and the director though, isn't it? I think we do not know the full story here.

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DestroyerofCobwebs 5 points ago +5 / -0

We just don't know enough yet. Could be the gun was full auto, but had a chrome lined barrel that was de-laminating. Rare, but it can happen, and if it does loading that gun with super high pressure blanks is exactly the worst case scenario for having those hard chunks of chrome flake off and become a deadly projectile.

Or, Alec Baldwin is a psychopath that loaded a couple live rounds into this gun and intentionally shot two people, or one with a bonus hit due to ricochet.

Given his well documented anger management issues, I don't think anything can be ruled out.

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rcstl 4 points ago +4 / -0

Chrome lined 1870 model Colt pistol?

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DestroyerofCobwebs 0 points ago +1 / -1

it's an example of how such things can happen, not results based upon a forensic examination of the weapon, Francis.

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rcstl 3 points ago +3 / -0

Don't be talking to me like that Felecia!

The whole question here is two people were shot with one killed by a "prop" gun. IMHO, none of this conjecture about "blanks" is correct. It had to be live rounds and we'll never know. Autopsy will be suppressed to protect bitch Alec. Brandon put the gun against his head and cracked his skull. Generally, within a few feet there will be powder burns and no penetration, just sore ears! haha

Maybe I missed you meaning just unrestricted gas. If it is pushing a bullet it is in the 3100 range, unrestricted, you are correct.

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DestroyerofCobwebs 3 points ago +3 / -0

Rumor is, the safety consultant hired for this shoot was unlicensed, the guns had not been de-miled at all, and the consultant had been out the previous day shooting these weapons with live ammo.

Maybe that's the truth, or maybe that's the rumor Baldwin's agent is furiously peddling with his crisis management team to protect his client's reputation.

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rcstl 2 points ago +2 / -0

And, maybe, for Alec's benefit, he didn't follow the 4th rule, always unload when storing an unused firearm? How fucking convenient!!!!

This subject lights me up like the toddlers shooting themselves lie. I can't believe this happens! Pointing the pistol at themselves, Pushing the 5-9 pound trigger away from themselves? Give me a fucking break. They can barely get a loaded spoon to their mouth!! Kicks soapbox....

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Sylvester1212 3 points ago +3 / -0

I thought the same but then some one said it's a movie based in the 1800s.

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Block_Helen 2 points ago +2 / -0

Agree, not enough info yet to tell. Baldwin is a volatile guy.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 1 point ago +1 / -0

Baldwin is a volatile guy.

That's a very nice way to say "raving, unhinged lunatic". Even Baldwin's public meltdowns are numerous noteworthy, one can only imagine the batshit crazy stuff this guy has done that didn't go public.

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Block_Helen 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes. He is a real nut job.

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xBigCoffinHunter 6 points ago +6 / -0

Assuming the first shot cleared the barrel how the hell did the 2nd shot fire a projectile? Maybe it was just one shot. We’ll likely never know the truth. Baldwin is cashing in a deep state favor right about now.

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Block_Helen 3 points ago +3 / -0

Idk, that's a lot of witnesses to keep quiet if he really was throwing a fit and pointing it directly at the people he shot. Baldwin has some deep state connections but he's also pissed off a lot of people who might not be willing to fall on their sword for him. Such as the prop master (if there was one).

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rcstl 1 point ago +1 / -0

More like <=~3100 FPS.

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DestroyerofCobwebs 3 points ago +3 / -0

I said gas expansion, not projectile velocity. In a confined space, smokeless powder expands far faster than the bullet it's pushing travels.

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Aluminoti 3 points ago +3 / -0

Blank like what is in between biden's ears

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Brookes 3 points ago +3 / -0

If this idiot ever took a basic gun safety course he would have known the three ‘always’ rules and that wouldn’t have happened.

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koditxu 3 points ago +3 / -0
  1. Handle every firearm as if it’s loaded, unless and until you have verified it is not loaded.

  2. Do not point the muzzle at anything you aren’t willing to destroy.

  3. Finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you are ready to fire.

  4. Be sure of your target and what’s behind it.

Rule 3, in my opinion, is the most important, since if you follow that rule absolutely, but slip up on the others, you will still USUALLY avoid a negligent discharge or tragic accident.

Doesn’t mean all four rules shouldn’t be observed always. They absolutely should. But trigger discipline and muzzle discipline are imprescindible when it comes to handling firearms safely.

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Brookes 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes it is! I agree. Anyone who has even a little bit of proper training knows this. That idiot Baldwin should have been trained since he handles guns in his movies all the time.

On a different note this old lady pede has to brag! Had my personal best target shooting yesterday! I’m going to enter my first meet in two weeks! Plinkity plink with my little Browning 22! 10 in the black at 50 feet! I’ve never even come close to this before. Something finally just clicked for me. Only been shooting for 7 months! It was awesome!

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rcstl 1 point ago +1 / -0

Good for you! Is this 22LR or 22 pellet?

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Brookes 1 point ago +1 / -0

22LR. It finally all came together, I didn't think I was ever going to get better! Practice does make perfect!

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Kael 3 points ago +3 / -0

They weren’t blanks

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ravioli_king 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can still kill a person with blanks. In fact an actor killed himself with blanks, because they assume "oh there's nothing in it," well they forget about the actual blast that comes out of it. So point blank range, you can indeed die from a blank.

idk how you can kill 2 people with a blank. I assume it was a real bullet accidentally in a gun. Same thing that killed Brandon Lee on the Crow.

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PB_Mack 2 points ago +2 / -0

because its not a prop gun. It's a real gun loaded with weakly charged rounds.

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Crappydatum 1 point ago +1 / -0

or Fully charged rounds, because nitwit

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cd3dog 2 points ago +2 / -0

OK. Maybe I missed something along the way. What the hell is in a 'blank' that would fatally injure someone?

I can't recall ever firing a blank. All my ammo has been the real thing.

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BaldyGull 4 points ago +4 / -0

Gun powder. If pressed to flesh, it will accelerate that flesh like it would a bullet if there were a bullet. Also, without the back pressure, it is hard to burn all the powder, so it creates a bigger muzzle flash amd sprays flecks of hot gun powder.

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cd3dog 2 points ago +2 / -0

OK. But kill the woman? AND wound a second? what did he do, shoot twice?

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weme06 2 points ago +2 / -0

Blanks are dangerous. The hot gas cuts through flesh very easily. Even gas leaking from the cylinder of a revolver can injure.

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BaldyGull 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yea. That I do not know. If they were blanks and two were injured, it seems like two shits fired and it is more than an accident. If it was live ammo, someone put it in there and it slipped by multiple safeguards.

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Luminous_2a 3 points ago +3 / -0

two shits fired

I approve of this typo. 😉

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BaldyGull 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nadler and Swalwell were on set.

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rcstl 2 points ago +2 / -0

Blanks are cartridges loaded with powder but lack a projectile. The casing part is usually just crimped closed to keep the powder in the casing.They are used for things like gun salutes or in wartime as the propellant for sending a grenade downrange.

The Army/Marines et al use them in the laser equipped rifles to replicate the sounds and fury of battle.

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cd3dog 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree. It is what I thought I knew. It just lends more questions to how a blank penetrated one person and wounded a second behind her. According to the PR that is.

Obviously not a 'blank'...

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chanel_rions_aquanet 2 points ago +2 / -0

Guess he grabbed some A059 instead of A080.

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tree_sloth4 2 points ago +2 / -0

A responsible gun owner/handler would never point any firearm at a person unless they were ready to shoot and kill them no matter how angry they were. Someone who is so anti-gun probably shouldn't be handling one.

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Aluminoti 2 points ago +2 / -0

Alec Baldwin's next question for when he hosts Match Game

"Alec the asshole was so dumb"

"How dumb was he?"

"He was so dumb he killed his cinematographer with a blank' https://youtu.be/niU42JxkcRQ

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Lol_Garrus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Blanks (at least from what I remember from the Army) can't kill anyone. There is no projectile, the end of the round is crimped.

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Winter_Is_Coming2020 2 points ago +5 / -3

Brandon lee died of blank to the noggin on set

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Block_Helen 7 points ago +7 / -0

You may be confusing two incidents. Brandon Lee was killed by a real bullet in the chamber of a gun. The bullet was left over from a previous misfire with normal ammo and no one checked it properly before loading it with blanks. His co-star fired the gun from a distance of 15-20 feet.

An actor named Jon-Eric Hexum was goofing around on set in the 80s and put a gun loaded with blanks to his head and pulled the trigger. The fire from the blank pushed a piece of skull into his brain and killed him.

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Winter_Is_Coming2020 4 points ago +4 / -0

👍

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TheGreenDutchman 3 points ago +3 / -0

IIRC that time there was a bullet stuck in the barrel from a misfire with normal ammo, which the blank then fired. Blanks are just normal rounds as far as the gunpowder and casing are concerned, it's just the bullet that's replaced with something that burns up.

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Junosu 2 points ago +3 / -1

It's like having cats. 2 is always better - because they have a friend to play with.

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KebbaJoJo 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don't think they understand what the word MALFUNCTION means.

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rcstl 2 points ago +2 / -0

How much dirt did the Director and cameraperson have on hilary is the real question!

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556y308 2 points ago +2 / -0

"'Here's how a prop gun using blanks can still fire a fatal shot: Because they're not blanks."'

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Fileiro 2 points ago +2 / -0

Look man, I don't know how to tell you this...

But none of that shit ever happened. Nothing reported on the "news" is real.

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Trumpdidit 2 points ago +2 / -0

As clown world turns......You just can't make these skits up fast enough..This one should be in prime form, for tomorrows Saturday Night Live edition, on, How to kill your enemies, while filming your acts, for future movie spectaculars......

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leakmouth [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

That’s a neat trick

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Thedude2283 1 point ago +1 / -0

How does one “accidentally” shoot 2 people? You would have to be a 100% total retard to fuck up this badly!

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stick_in_the_eye 1 point ago +1 / -0

someone doesnt understand overpenetration.

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BlitheringIdiot 4 points ago +4 / -0

Bill Clinton does.

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tree_sloth4 1 point ago +1 / -0

Bill Clinton is a rapist.

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BlitheringIdiot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, yes he is.

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redditbiggay 1 point ago +1 / -0

my bet is it was a single live round that killed one and injured a second, no blanks

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PonySoldier66 1 point ago +1 / -0

lol you think this fuckwit didnt carry a personal weapon?

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Kmdub2 1 point ago +1 / -0

What part of the script involved pointing a prop gun at the person running the camera?

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Crappydatum 1 point ago +1 / -0

The first one was an accident, maybe, but the second one? Murder

Meanwhile, if it was a prop gun, why wasn't he aiming at the other actors? Why shoot the cameraman and director?

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rcstl 1 point ago +1 / -0

Camera POV footage.

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Bidens_Poopy_Diaper 1 point ago +1 / -0

This motherfucker belongs in state prison, getting his butthole sold and traded out for packs of Newports, and cups full of prison hooch by all of the booty loving rapist joggers.

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Mintap 1 point ago +1 / -0

The question is how much did Halyna and Joel know about Baldwin's pedophilia?