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Hellvtx 31 points ago +31 / -0

Any truck tractor over 3 years old is not allowed into the ports in commiefornia!! No wonder there is a traffic jam!

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IronWolve [S] 17 points ago +17 / -0


Yesterday I rented a boat and took the leader of one of Flexport's partners in Long Beach on a 3 hour of the port complex. Here's a thread about what I learned.

First off, the boat captain said we were the first company to ever rent his boat to tour the port to see how everything was working up close. His usual business is doing memorial services at sea. He said we were a lot more fun than his regular customers. The ports of LA/Long Beach are at a standstill. In a full 3 hour loop through the port complex, passing every single terminal, we saw less than a dozen containers get unloaded.

There are hundreds of cranes. I counted only ~7 that were even operating and those that were seemed to be going pretty slow. It seems that everyone now agrees that the bottleneck is yard space at the container terminals. The terminals are simply overflowing with containers, which means they no longer have space to take in new containers either from ships or land. It’s a true traffic jam.

Right now if you have a chassis with no empty container on it, you can go pick up containers at any port terminal. However, if you have an empty container on that chassis, they’re not allowing you to return it except on highly restricted basis. If you can’t get the empty off the chassis, you don’t have a chassis to go pick up the next container. And if nobody goes to pick up the next container, the port remains jammed.

WIth the yards so full, carriers / terminals are being highly restrictive in where and when they will accept empties. Also containers are not fungible between carriers, so the truckers have to drop their empty off at the right terminal. This is causing empty containers to pile up. This one trucking partner alone has 450 containers sitting on chassis right now (as of 10/21) at his yards.

This is a trucking company with 6 yards that represents 153 owner operator drivers, so he has almost 3 containers sitting on chassis at his yard for every driver on the team.

He can’t take the containers off the chassis because he’s not allowed by the city of Long Beach zoning code to store empty containers more than 2 high in his truck yard. If he violates this code they’ll shut down his yard altogether.

With the chassis all tied up storing empties that can't be returned to the port, there are no chassis available to pick up containers at the port. And with all the containers piling up in the terminal yard, the longshoremen can’t unload the ships. And so the queue grows longer, with now over 70 ships containing 500,000 containers are waiting off shore. This line is going to get longer not shorter.

This is a negative feedback loop that is rapidly cycling out of control that if it continues unabated will destroy the global economy. Alright how do we fix this, you ask? Simple. And we can do it fast now,

When you're designing an operation you must choose your bottleneck. If the bottleneck appears somewhere that you didn't choose it, you aren't running an operation. It's running you.

You should always choose the most capital intensive part of the line to be your bottleneck. In a port that's the ship to shore cranes. The cranes should never be unable to run because they're waiting for another part of the operation to catch up.

The bottleneck right now is not the cranes. It's yard space at the container terminals. And it's empty chassis to come clear those containers out.

In operations when a bottleneck appears somewhere that you didn't design for it to appear, you must OVERWHELM THE BOTTLENECK!

Here's a simple plan that @POTUS and @GavinNewsom partnered with the private sector, labor, truckers, and everyone else in the chain must implement

TODAY to overwhelm the bottleneck and create yard space at the ports so we can operate against

  1. Executive order effective immediately over riding the zoning rules in Long Beach and Los Angeles to allow truck yards to store empty containers up to six high instead of the current limit of 2. Make it temporary for ~120 days. This will free up tens of thousands of chassis that right now are just storing containers on wheels. Those chassis can immediately be taken to the ports to haul away the containers

  2. Bring every container chassis owned by the national guard and the military anywhere in the US to the ports and loan them to the terminals for 180 days.

  3. Create a new temporary container yard at a large (need 500+ acres) piece of government land adjacent to an inland rail head within 100 miles of the port complex.

  4. Force the railroads to haul all containers to this new site, turn around and come back. No more 1500 mile train journeys to Dallas. We're doing 100 mile shuttles, turning around and doing it again. Truckers will go to this site to get containers instead of the port.

  5. Bring in barges and small container ships and start hauling containers out of long beach to other smaller ports that aren't backed up. This is not a comprehensive list. Please add to it. We don't need to do the best ideas. We need to do ALL the ideas. We must OVERWHELM THE BOTTLENECK and get these ports working again. I can't stress enough how bad it is for the world economy if the ports don't work. Every company selling physical goods bought or sold internationally will fail. The circulatory system our globalized economy depends has collapsed. And thanks to the negative feedback loops involved, it's getting worse not better every day that goes by.

I'd be happy to lead this effort for the federal or state government if asked. Leadership is the missing ingredient at this point.

Dunkin4COVAIDS 9 points ago +9 / -0

As someone who works in maritime logistics, I can confidently speak to 1 and 3 not being that easy.

Stacking 6 high without the proper equipment (i.e. big ass cranes) would be impossible (the average container picker can't go more than 3 high, if even that), and potentially very dangerous. Every container would have to have locking pins, which can't be installed until it's stacked due to the need of the picker to use the same pick points; this presents a falling hazard for whoever has to install them. Every stack would have to be lashed down to prevent tipping (at 6 high, it wouldn't take a very strong wind to wreck complete havoc), which likely would require many heavy duty anchors driven into the ground.

Yard space would need to be developed if it it's natural land, i.e. you can't just go stacking containers anywhere. It needs to be excavated, leveled, proper aggregate and road base laid down, etc. The mobilization and completion of 500+ acres would take months if not longer.

With that said, I definitely agree with #5 or just sending the vessels to other ports. However, there's a cost associated with it. Who will pay that; the government?

DeadOverRed 10 points ago +10 / -0

Yeah, 6 high sounds like a new disaster waiting to happen. Keep it to 3. As for the rest, pick the nearest military base, send the Afghans home, and use the entire base to store containers. California has massive bases, and surely with some areas of already-flattened land.

Dunkin4COVAIDS 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yessir. There's a reason we don't stack that high on the ground, i.e. it's extremely dangerous. I know some of the Naval bases are pretty full, as my organization operates out of some of them. They already lease space to 3rd party private entities. That and getting space allocations on base, at least with the Navy is mind numbingly slow and bureaucratic. I work for a contractor, government client, and it took us 6 months to get ~100,000 sq ft of unused space allocated to us. Private land would be a much better time and cost saving option IMO.

DeadOverRed 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm talking about a sane world where the president said "It's an emergency, use the public land NOW." But yeah, I know this isn't that world, and it's impossible, and Brandon is demented, etc.

texas4ever 5 points ago +5 / -0

The importer always ends up paying the extra cost. 20+ years in international trade, it's a huge racket...shippers, ports, etc. get to defy the normal laws of business.

Dunkin4COVAIDS 3 points ago +3 / -0

Right. It was a bit of a rhetorical question. Importers are going to gamble on whatever is cheaper; detention of the vessel or fuel and mileage. Chances are they would have been better off paying the additional cost of travel in the end, but most would assume detention would be the cheapest cost since this is an unprecedented event.

texas4ever 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's most likely cheaper to send on to Florida, but it's kind of a gamble and depends on the price & size of the product, etc. One of the biggest problems is that you just don't know how long it will take to process the container. Could be 1 week, 3 week, 6 weeks, etc. Also depends when they bring the container in...you don't get charged detention when it's on the water, but once it comes in you do. That's the biggest problem, nobody can tell you anything so it's difficult to make decisions.

gillonba 4 points ago +4 / -0

Sounds like other ports is the way to go, and you don't need an executive order to do it. Sooner or later it becomes cheaper to burn the gas and deliver elsewhere than to let your ship sit, so that's what the shippers will decide on their own. Short term the shipper pays, long term the consumer pays

Tintenfass 2 points ago +2 / -0

...long term the consumer pays.

And that is their plan. Screw up the supply and then make prices outrageous for what supply is delivered..

Dunkin4COVAIDS 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yep, the cost of all those goods is going to go up to cover the accessorial shipping costs.

GrayManNumber333 1 point ago +1 / -0

They stack 3-5 high at a yard near where I work without cranes. They do have big ass forklifts.

Junionthepipeline 1 point ago +1 / -0

Pfft.an empty handler can go six high all day.laturno will sell you one ,its going to cost you but it's worth it and if you ask nice I might even run it for you.

becky21k1 7 points ago +7 / -0

Somebody with some desert land could make money just accepting the containers free.

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Bonami 5 points ago +5 / -0


This is what leadership looks like. Any chance anyone will take him up on his offer??

Could the ships owners all put in a class action lawsuit against the state of CA for rampant incompetency and demand triple damages for loss of revenue??

Sylvester1212 14 points ago +14 / -0

How many people are dead in those containers?

ravioli_king 9 points ago +9 / -0

I've heard of livestock being dead and wiped out on ships too. I didn't realize countries ship livestock.

Junionthepipeline 1 point ago +1 / -0

How do you not know that

Bonami 5 points ago +5 / -0


Sylvester1212 4 points ago +4 / -0

Maybe a dissident or two that was escaping China with real secrets? Don't know where he or she is at? Jam the entire system. That's going way out there but with what I've seen the last 2 years anything is possible. Loads of illegals come here in cargo containers though from Asia.

Bonami 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yes, what a horrible death.

On the other hand if those ships know they have human cargo they would reroute pretty quickly I would think.

chickensoup 10 points ago +11 / -1

The current federal regime is not stopping California's interstate commerce lawbreaking. The Pelosi crime gang wants to bring the country to its knees.

semblanceofsanity 6 points ago +6 / -0

In virtually every sector it's the same story:

-You have operations that are intended to turn X trucks/containers/cases per week and have sold their services to operate at 90%+ efficiency -Labor issues are causing operations to reduce by significant amounts -Customers are demanding the same number of trucks/containers/cases to flow in and out. -Operator can't keep up, resulting in overflowing warehouse, long inbound delays, and long outbound delays.

Biggest single issue is labor. Can't get warehouse personnel. Can't get people to work the lines. Can get boxes because your box supplier can't get people. Can't get packaging because your packaging supplier can't get people. Can't get your own people to pack product. Can't get parts to fix your line, or your fork lifts, or your trucks, because your parts supplier can't get people. Can't get drivers to move your product. Can't get an appointment to deliver your product.

It's a real fucking nightmare.

Junionthepipeline 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pay better

ravioli_king 5 points ago +5 / -0

I hear they can't unload boats... because there isn't enough trucks to carry the cargo, so the port is full. You can't unload ships if the port is full of cargo. Although I have heard now they're unloading onto other areas...outside the port, which makes sense.

As for the cranes, everything is automated.

AlphaTheBetaFish 3 points ago +4 / -1

Tons of trucks and drivers to unload. The issue is California regulates the fuck out of them. The cranes are not automated. Those guys are on their own strike

2016TrumpMAGA 3 points ago +3 / -0

If the issue is yard space, it's because trucks are not moving containers out..

JimDandy 3 points ago +3 / -0

Does this hurt Walmart more than China?

Alias117 3 points ago +3 / -0

They are working with Biden Logistics, they forgot to pay the big man when no one is watching we just need to keep them looking the other way.... "at sea" so the big man can take his cut is what those commiefornia dock bosses are thinking.

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