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IvermectinWorks 510 points ago +538 / -28

For anybody in the process of losing your job, all you have to do is show them this.

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NavySTG 324 points ago +358 / -34

You need a better understanding of At Will Employment.

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IvermectinWorks 121 points ago +171 / -50

At will employment means they still have to have a reason.

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DinosOnNoahsArk 315 points ago +318 / -3

Biden advised ALL American Corporations to ignore the ruling and to willingly implement this mandate as a corporate policy.

  • If your corporation is making it a policy to require mRNA shots, then they can do so (arguably, but the DOJ backs it).
  • If your corporation is telling you that they are being forced to require mRNA shots because of the OSHA rule, then you need to show them this and let them know that rule is not valid.

Either way, you should look for a new job, because fuck those commies that are trying to force you to get an mRNA shot

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 170 points ago +174 / -4

Bingo. OSHA halting the rule is great, but unfortunately there is no law stopping companies from implementing mandates anyway (save for a couple of red states).

Most companies are going to go ahead and implement mandates anyway.

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penguinjay1212 134 points ago +136 / -2

as with all this stuff so far, it's not actually the feds you gotta fear, it's your fellow man you gotta worry about, being scared into acting as oppressor.

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Falling_ferret 83 points ago +84 / -1

From king to peasant, who is any man but my fellow man? Nothing sets any man apart from another the moment we were created.

Given this, why would anyone fear the government as it's nothing more than our fellow man with a self proclaimed title.

This is why what Biden is doing is as tyrannical as any tyrant in history and we're on the path towards the same place this always goes....

"They" have only stoked the fire that's allowed to burn inside the masses because the masses already had it in their hearts.

OSHA, Feds, Cops, Antifa, HR ladies firing the unvaxxed...same story, different names. I wonder why God doesn't get sick of watching the same depravity play out? Guess he just really loves those of us who follow Him.

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penguinjay1212 41 points ago +43 / -2

YOU ACTUALLY GET IT.

I dropped a "patriot" bc he is actually a commie in waiting, got his shot, would mandate it on others, isn't comfortable saying it yet though even among his vaccinated friends, it only spills out in silence, but it's the truth. I never want to see that motherfucker again. He's dumb as shit and thinks he's the best thing since Biden said Negro. This dude is dangerously stupid.

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MasklessMarvel 26 points ago +27 / -1

Did you ever read the Old Testament books about the Israelites taking back the promised land?

God believes in war and is leaving it up to us to fight

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plznosteal 10 points ago +10 / -0

I’m going to presume you’re well read and versed in sound history and morals, well done and stay strong, Brother!!

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TheKillingWords 5 points ago +6 / -1

God WILL get sick of it and act but in His time. It's hard as hell but all we need to do is hold the line and walk that narrow path.

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Beevus17 3 points ago +3 / -0

Drop the mic.

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FredRedd 11 points ago +11 / -0

I hate your answer - because I know your answer unfortunately overflows with truth. This decision is a good one, but the only true win we can truly celebrate would be for the truth about the scamdemic to be outed and acknowledged by everyone.

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penguinjay1212 13 points ago +13 / -0

thanks, I'm deadpilled. This is reality unfortunately.

The good thing is, you can fight back, in hushed tones and candid conversations. A GM can fake seeing vaxx cards as easily as it is to make fake cards. One act is not a felony.

We HAVE to get a foothold in these loose, front facing building blocks in society, or we will control nothing that is "front of house" in reality anymore at all. Normies will be trained by their experience, unconditionally evil.

My condition. Retail. Broke my back and can't do construction anymore.

Sleeper. Fine w it.

Be a character of your convictions and join the ranks today.

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BonerJam99 8 points ago +8 / -0

That was the purpose of the mandate in the first place so it’s still kinda the fed that worries me.

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Tcrlaf1 5 points ago +5 / -0

Like the Soviets before them, who demanded compliance in return for food, the Obamunists are demanding the shot, because once you have it, you are dependent on them to be able to live another six months.

Become an noncompliance issue, or just even excess to needs, they cut you off, and your immune system fails.

Honestly, the average American mind is unable to accept something as diabolical as this, because we have lived a relatively peaceful existence in the last 70 years.

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penguinjay1212 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hey buddy I feel ya, and thanks for speaking up. You are young and you can (seemingly) affect reality for people who are misled by the fear the Feds pass down.

Make sure and blow the truth out about #THEBIGBLUFF

this should have already been a thing, I'm just some retard....

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Kag_Maga 4 points ago +4 / -0

The border between tyranny and freedom runs through each of our hearts.

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sir_rockness 1 point ago +3 / -2

Ding ding ding we have a winner

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DestroyerofCobwebs 33 points ago +34 / -1

Difference is, with the OSHA mandate halted, they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to denying unemployment. Companies cannot just add whatever bullshit they want to their policies, fire those who refuse to comply, then say those people were fired for-cause. That's not how that works.

They need a legal justification for the policy, and right now they don't have one. They can still fire you, but it's not a for-cause termination.

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Jack_NC 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yours is the most informative contribution to this discussion. thank you.

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SmokesMom 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you for your explanation. I'm in that situation and will be terminated on 11/30. PA is an work at will state.

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SecedeNOW 1 point ago +1 / -0

Exactly. If they didn't have you sign a consent form to get the clotshot when you were hired, they would be really stupid to fire you for not getting it. If you were dumb enough to sign one recently, well good luck to you.

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BourneTactical 25 points ago +25 / -0

Yep, just got told I’ll be fired at the beginning of January for not getting the shot in the great state of Florida. Don’t know why there’s no ban.

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DinosOnNoahsArk 12 points ago +12 / -0

If only we had leaders that stood by us...

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T_WIN_2020 9 points ago +9 / -0

Religious Exemption. Firing=Discrimination

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Please_Clap 7 points ago +7 / -0

DeSantis recently said he is working with FL legislators to create laws very soon to prevent people losing their jobs in Florida over any mandate.

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MichelesPenis 6 points ago +6 / -0

The mandate ban just passed the FL house and Senate today.

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SteelBallRun1890 2 points ago +2 / -0

You were told today after this announcement? Did you mention this to them?

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 14 points ago +14 / -0

And private sector is only doing so cuz daddy govt wants them too. Spoiler alert…subverting the Constitution in this way is treason. The govt is not allowed to use private businesses to enforce tyrannical rule.

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hdhd66 9 points ago +9 / -0

Then blame the private sector too for not standing up. They’re ALL guilty

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whateverbruh 8 points ago +8 / -0

I think the biggest issue is that DeSantis is being ignored ( Hell, Trump was backstabbed and ignored A LOT while in office). IMO, It's easy to ignore DeSantis when the commies are backed by Xiden and all the federal government bodies.

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Snoman 4 points ago +4 / -0

Even state level Representatives have received money from Pharma, the Medical Industrial complex

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45isthebomb 4 points ago +4 / -0

Hi Anaconda!

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saltyviewer123 1 point ago +1 / -0

KEK, I haven't seen em around here for awhile.

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JerryNadlerBeltFund 5 points ago +5 / -0

Mine shows no signs of slowing down. HR is pressuring managers to get their direct reports to submit vax data ASAFP, even though the deadline is 12/8 (they didn't move back the timetable, just the enforcement after the temporary stay, and no movement since the permanent stay).

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Ipray4potus 6 points ago +6 / -0

Sounds like federal. That's my dates and my company Red Wing Shoes have federal contracts. Not the same as OSHA.

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JerryNadlerBeltFund 11 points ago +11 / -0

Yes, we're a fed contractor. . . What I don't understand is: if one mandate is unconstitutional (companies with 100+ employees), how is the other for fed contractors OK?

This whole thing is the product of compartmenatlized bureaucrats covering for each other:

  • FDA issues EUA for a few cherrypicked Big Pharma products (Moderna, Pfizer, J&J "vaccines"), actively suppressing any info about therapeutic treatment, natural immunity, etc.

  • OSHA Requires people to get FDA-approved products. Employees must take "legally available" drugs, so OSHA can claim its hands are tied and can only offer such limited scope, regardless of science, medicine. OSHA accepts false premise that "pandemic" poses a grave, direct threat to the workforce that can only be remedied by specific Big Pharma produts.

  • EEOC enforces exemption/enforcement. Denies any right to object to OSHA rules with anything other than religious. . . (political, philosophical reasons not OK). So they allow only religious exemptions for a purely evil/political/unnecessary vax drive.

Equal protections denied for organizations that are exempted, like congress, pfizer employees (the government buys tons from them. . . aren't they a "contractor?"), the white house staff, the usps. . . If the pandemic is real, it would be very reckless to NOT impose the same mandates on them.

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ThrolyHD 5 points ago +5 / -0

There is law... if you worked during and before the China virus and they fire you for not getting the poison stick... you have laws protecting you they are discriminating against you and your beliefs.... 4th and 14th amendment violations.... now if you just got hired and they say u need to be Vax then they might have standing to make u get it...

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 16 points ago +16 / -0

Doesn't apply if OSHA suspended the rule..... thus there is no rule to adhere to.

Now if they kept the rule in place, corporations are playing with fire by directly ignoring a court rule if they cite this as the reason for mandating it. Otherwise they can mandate whatever they want until employees start winning lawsuits.

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DinosOnNoahsArk 12 points ago +12 / -0

In point 1, corporations can (arguably) and will require mRNA shots as a corporate policy. Nothing to do with OSHA. They can (arguably) and will take Biden's advice and mirror the requirements from the OSHA rule, even if there is no OSHA rule any longer.

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Grady_Wilson 10 points ago +12 / -2

You cannot be forced or coerced to take a drug that is not FDA approved for ANY employment.

If they fire you because of not wanting to take the Clot Shot is illegal.

As long as the Clot Shot is under the EUA no one can mandate it.

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DinosOnNoahsArk 5 points ago +5 / -0

That's arguable. As of right now, the DoJ says you can and they back their opinion. That gives corporations credibility to do so.

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DiscoverAFire 2 points ago +2 / -0

When have they ever played by their rules? The only rule they understand is might.

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rossnix 1 point ago +1 / -0

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was FDA approved in August 2021. Although it is not approved for children under 16 years old and would have the same complaint if they required your kids to take it like in California.

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panthicc 7 points ago +7 / -0

This. It's all about the language they use.

A company can still, of their own volition, make the jab a requirement of employment. It's still unconstitutional and I think litigation will eventually go that way, but you'll be out of a job in the meantime.

If, however, they're trying to say it's because of the government mandate and absolve themselves of all responsibility (think Southwest), then this comes into play.

I think it's worth bringing up either way because a lot of companies are just implementing these mandates assuming they would be forced to eventually and not actually because they would have done otherwise. But just be prepared for a "so what?" in response.

This is why the Biden admin was encouraging employers to implement their own policies ahead of the ruling. They knew it wouldn't stand up to legal muster and wanted voluntary cooperation regardless.

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resoluteAction 4 points ago +4 / -0

Your corp has made it policy to fire all black people. They can fire anyone at will...

Of course they can't. Companies cannot fire someone based on medical discrimination. They can only fire someone based on performance and/or the economics of the business environment.

They have the power to do anything in the short term, but they will lose a wrongful termination lawsuit hands down.

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DinosOnNoahsArk 4 points ago +4 / -0

They wouldn't do it if they didn't think they had legal standing.

They have cover.

The DoJ says it's legal, and the moment that the DoJ made this announcement is the moment these companies started adding it to their policy. They have legal cover. They can and will use this cover in court if brought there.

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Guruchild 2 points ago +2 / -0

Lol who gives a shit about legality

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liberalshitlord 3 points ago +3 / -0

If you work for certain big hospital facilities, they can fire you for smoking. Source, I worked for the Cleveland Clinic Foundation and they not only drug test you, but they check for nicotine as well and it is their policy that if you work there, you will not smoke or use nicotine in any form.

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resoluteAction 1 point ago +1 / -0

That is 'drug use' in the workplace not medical status. I believe that should be off limits as well but there is legal precedent for some jobs to be able to drug test and exclude mind altering chemicals because of the impact on worker safety. This isn't the case with a vaccine where the only person at risk is the one taking the shot.

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DiscoverAFire 1 point ago +1 / -0

But if they thought the courts would protect them and firing the blacks would boost their bottom line.... do you really think they wouldn't?

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resoluteAction 1 point ago +2 / -1

I guarantee you there are Judges out there that will side with the workers. You just need to find them and file in their jurisdiction.

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SecedeNOW 2 points ago +2 / -0

They would have to make it a policy though and have all their employees agree to it and sign it. if you are an existing employing you should have an out on this easily.

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NavySTG 28 points ago +31 / -3

Nope. They are not required to provide a reason. However, if they need to in some state somewhere, they could simply claim that by not taking the gene therapy, you're putting unnecessary burden on the company to administer tests, etc.

Another way they'll dump people is via layoffs. They'll make being "vaccinated" a condition of employment, similar to degrees. In a short time, they'll RIF those who are not "vaccinated" (and a few that are, so it doesn't appear targeted).

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IvermectinWorks 11 points ago +18 / -7

If you file an appeal, they have to submit their reasons in writing. If they refuse, then file a discrimination case against them.

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Rerecursive 21 points ago +21 / -0

This is just false. If you are at-will, they can get rid of you for no reason at all. The only thing they can't do is get rid of you for an improper reason (e.g., because of your race, religion, etc.). Most employment lawyers recommend documenting reason for firing just to avoid the dispute, but they are not required to do so.

The plaintiff's bar will certainly challenge employers who get rid of people based on whether they've taken the death jab, but the law in this area (a) is not settled; (b) will vary by jurisdiction; and (c) will likely vary based on the judge/jury that evenutally hear your case.

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Walleye-vision71 9 points ago +10 / -1

They can just say they didn’t like the cut of your jib, or an infinite number of other reasons. At will employment is 100% reciprocal.

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JMaN 1 point ago +1 / -0

There is a lot more to it than that.

https://skloverworkingwisdom.com/dont-believe-the-big-at-will-lie-117-reasons-an-at-will-employee-cannot-be-fired-and-theres-plenty-more/

"And more will inevitably arise as time goes on based on common sense, fundamental fairness, and basic civil, human and moral rights."

The example that you give is basically like saying, "You are fired because I think you are ugly." If the job isn't a special type of job like working at Hooters and a vocal point of their business is hot chicks with nice boobies, then no one should really be fired for being ugly. The employer can fire that person, but it would be smart not to tell that person exactly why.

No one here will be surprised if employers start (they already have) terminating people based on their personal medical decisions. This does not mean they are "legally" right or wrong. Many laws of the past were very, very wrong.

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JMaN 1 point ago +1 / -0

Found it on that link I sent you:

BO: In some locales, due to the employee’s physical appearance.

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_Sully_ 4 points ago +5 / -1

Then why are employers so hell bent on documenting reasons for firing? My last job took 6 months to fire someone because they needed to gather evidence. I'm thinking it's not a simple as "for no reason at all". They may be able to fire you for no reason at all but they will have to prove that it wasn't for reasons that are illegal. I'm not disagreeing with you but you can bet your ass companies are going to have to cover their asses when the hammer start swinging around over this vax bs.

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victory2024 8 points ago +8 / -0

To defend themselves in case someone brings a lawsuit for illegal discrimination.

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Snoman 5 points ago +5 / -0

To fight off unemployment claims, the stronger the case the less likely they have to pay said benefits

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Rerecursive 4 points ago +4 / -0

Typically corporations are fearful of litigation so they "paper the file" just to prepare for claims from discharged employees. They don't have to, but in this sue-happy world it is now considered standard operating procedure. Another trick is to keep the shitty employees around until there is a round of "reorganization" and throw them in with a bunch of people getting laid off. MUCH easier to avoid claims of wrongful termination if it's a layoff of many people.

Also common practice to offer a decent severance package in exchange for a release and agreement not to sue. Even for employees fired for cause, this is fairly normal.

So there is some validity to the advice here to sue no matter what, but it is based more on working the system than the actual substantive law.

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jzed 2 points ago +2 / -0

HR people need something to do I guess.

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JMaN 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have had probably hundreds of websites, so thousands of pages, open on my computer because of what happened at my "at will" employer.

I can tell you that it would have been much, much better for them to provide no reason at all for firing me... They did not... What they did do is really, really piss me off.

Here is something I found:

https://skloverworkingwisdom.com/dont-believe-the-big-at-will-lie-117-reasons-an-at-will-employee-cannot-be-fired-and-theres-plenty-more/

I am not even disagreeing with you on the subject. I'm basically pointing out that nothing is cut and dry in law... It appears to be a huge mess and it is often completely unjust and wrong...

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Walleye-vision71 3 points ago +4 / -1

Did you also believe that if the teacher didn’t show up within 5 minutes you could just leave class? By your argument, if you quit, the company could appeal and you’d have to submit a reason in writing.

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IvermectinWorks 0 points ago +1 / -1

I have absolutely no clue what your point is....

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Walleye-vision71 5 points ago +5 / -0

It’s a rule people used to say which was completely false, just like what you keep saying. The second part is an example how “at will employment” is reciprocal between employee and employer. Usually when you get a job, you have to sign paperwork stating you understand it is at will employment, and the person usually explains, “that means you can quit any time for any reason, and we can fire you at any time for any reason.” Maybe you don’t live in an “at will” state and that’s why you don’t get it.

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kornesque 7 points ago +8 / -1

Every single COVID test is EUA and requires informed consent. They can't compel consent as a condition of employment, same as the jab.

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Long_time_lurker 11 points ago +11 / -0

No, "at will" means they can fire you for any reason at all except for three classes of exceptions which are detailed here:

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2001/01/art1full.pdf

Just because OSHA doesn't mandate this doesn't mean your employer won't (or can't). Not getting vaxxed is not a legally protected category.

The only thing you can do with this is make them own up to being the ones mandating it, rather than OSHA. But that's not nothing, and they should own up to their decisions, even though this probably won't change their minds.

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Demonspawn -2 points ago +1 / -3

Not getting vaxxed is not a legally protected category.

Being forced to divulge medical information is a HIPAA violation. Without the OSHA mandate supposedly sidestepping HIPAA, your company has no legal right to any of your medical information and forcing you to divulge it is not allowed.

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Long_time_lurker 6 points ago +6 / -0

HHS doesn't agree to that:

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/guidance/hipaa-covid-19-vaccination-workplace/index.html

It probably should be covered under medical privacy, but arguing HIPAA doesn't actually work.

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itswood 0 points ago +1 / -1

This isn't true...

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stitching 6 points ago +8 / -2

no, they don't. I live in Oregon, an at will employment state. the only ones exempted by at will are those that have some kind of special circumstances, and even then it is iffy that you can get a wrongful termination case.

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IvermectinWorks 1 point ago +5 / -4

Then file an appeal and force them to cough up the reason.

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victory2024 4 points ago +4 / -0

The only thing you can appeal is being denied unemployment. You can't appeal your firing.

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IvermectinWorks -2 points ago +1 / -3

lol, oooookay....

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GhengisDon 4 points ago +4 / -0

"Your services are no longer required". That's literally what at will employment means. That can be, and generally is the reason for your termination...your services are no longer required.

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stitching 2 points ago +4 / -2

At will means they don't have to have a reason....

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TruuthSeeker 0 points ago +1 / -1

So it's not right to work?

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stitching 2 points ago +3 / -1

No, it is a clever play on words. that is what they do, twist words. What is really means is that they have the right to fire you for no reason unless you are in a protected class or have a contract (I found out that a contract, in Oregon, also, does not prevent an unlawful firing) , and you have the right to quit for no reason

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Nibba 3 points ago +4 / -1

Mine just said we will give you $500 to get jabbed by x date. If you don’t then you are admitting that you are willingly quitting.

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Nostracannibus7 1 point ago +1 / -0

That sounds familiar. NY?

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Nibba 0 points ago +1 / -1

Nah its a big F500 company. Its country wide unless the not At Will states can stop it in theirs. I happen to be in an At Will state so its either take it or get the boot. We have a fair amount of old timers retiring because it it.

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FreddyThePatriot 8 points ago +10 / -2

They need a better understanding of their homes on fire

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Jaqen 2 points ago +3 / -1

Will this change their minds, or force them even deeper into the psyop, while happily accepting the aid of the federal government to exterminate any and all dissenters?

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rightwing_duck 4 points ago +4 / -0

The literal definition of at will employment means they don’t have to have a reason.

It was created so they could fire people trying to form unions without cause.

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EpicBurns 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not every state is a right to work state.

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victory2024 1 point ago +3 / -2

49 states are. I believe only Montana is the exception.

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EpicBurns 5 points ago +5 / -0

No man. 21 states are not Right-To-Work states.

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victory2024 2 points ago +2 / -0

We were talking about at will employment here, not right to work. Right to work has nothing to do with this post.

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EpicBurns 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wow. I totally thought Right to Work encompassed at will employment. I was wrong.

Thanks for pointing that out. Apparently there is a widespread misunderstanding of that term in Florida. I never heard of it until I moved here and never thought to question it because everyone I met seemed to have the same understanding of the term. Wow. Thank you. SMH, LMAO

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Throwingway22 4 points ago +5 / -1

You're thinking of at-will employment. Right to work is about non-mandatory union fees as a condition of employment. Montana is indeed the only state that isn't at-will employment.

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victory2024 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's correct. But the original grandfather comment above my reply referenced "at will employment", so that is what I was trying to address.

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Awshit1 3 points ago +3 / -0

I work in healthcare and in order to get paid by medicare or medicaid all employees of said private business must abide by their holy declarations... I am stuck pedes! Just switched jobs a few months ago for the same reason and now this!

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therollingtroll 2 points ago +2 / -0

there is at least one lawsuit against that, also, as i understand it.

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mrs.rose 11 points ago +11 / -0

What about the assholes who are like "oh were government contractors"

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KILLARY4PRISON -1 points ago +6 / -7

Go find a real job.

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mrs.rose 13 points ago +13 / -0

No I'm making them fire me.

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Ep1ctetus 4 points ago +4 / -0

40% of businesses in the U.S. have federal contracts.

As for the mandate, it affects essentially 100% of people in the U.S.

If you drive by someone affected by the mandate, you are as well. It’s a super contagious bureaucratic virus.

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thisguy883 3 points ago +3 / -0

This kind of shit pisses me off.

I've been in both the fed contract world and private sector.

Being prior military, fed contractor seemed like an easy fit. I got this job almost 10 years ago and have worked my ass off helping build and manage an infrastructure for our military.

How the fuck was I supposed to know that some fucking senile commie piece of shit was going to steal the presidency and push all this bullshit on us?

"get a real job"

Fuck you. I have a real job and minus the stupid fucking vax mandate, its been the best damn job I've ever had in my life.

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KILLARY4PRISON 1 point ago +2 / -1

By "get a real job" I'm referring to getting a job that doesn't steal money from people to pay you. Join the productive sector - not the parasitic coercive sector that relies upon theft and violence to pay you commie.

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QLARP 9 points ago +11 / -2

Not really they can just slow walk you and blame performance as a reason for letting you go.

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IvermectinWorks 8 points ago +12 / -4

Then you sue them for racial or religious discrimination.

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DonJr2024 11 points ago +11 / -0

Yup now is a good time to come out of the closet! Be transsexual AND gay. Which 9 or 10 pronouns cover that?

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Sorosis 9 points ago +9 / -0

Be pansexual and take a skillet to work. Jizz on it every day in front of your coworkers. Done.

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Tellman125 5 points ago +6 / -1

PANsexual... I get it

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ThurstonHowell3rd 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm thinking you'd want a pan with a nonstick coating.

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thisguy883 1 point ago +1 / -0

I know this is a joke, but its sad that it even has to be mentioned that this could be an actual solution.

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Klaus73 4 points ago +8 / -4

And 100's of thousands of dollars and 6 months later...maybe you get a apollogy and your money back...

Or you end up using San Francisco as a potty while you suck dick for money...

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IvermectinWorks 8 points ago +10 / -2

You have to fight for your rights. Nobody is just going to give them to you. Life is hard, right?

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Klaus73 5 points ago +7 / -2

Yeah but talk is cheap - the reality that folks need to be mentally prepped for is that any "fight" worth having is going to be a world of shit.

The problem with using the court system is it is very much like in feudalism where your only recourse was to petition an audience with the king - if you were wealthy then you likely had the kings ear; but we plebs have less access to our governance then ever before - social media providing a convenient filter (notice how they took out the dislikes?)

The reality is that without $$$ your really making a big gamble and unless your wealthy - your going to suffer for it and in the end the mechanisms are in place to insulate the powers that be - so even if you make such a good argument that you win - they can still provide insult to injury and in some cases - outright retaliation.

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IvermectinWorks 2 points ago +3 / -1

It's easy to pick off one person alone in a fight. Now, a group, that's another matter.

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Tellman125 3 points ago +4 / -1

Or you end up using San Francisco as a potty while you suck dick for money.

You mean Kamala's career path? And look where it got her.

DON/RON 2024!!!!!!!!

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MasklessMarvel 1 point ago +1 / -0

EEOC complaints are handled by the government

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Tellman125 0 points ago +1 / -1

walk you a d? what's that mean?

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HerbertBailBondsh 1 point ago +1 / -0

slow walk you AND

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AlphaNathan 7 points ago +7 / -0

Why would this matter? They all jumped on board with the royal decree anyway.

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IvermectinWorks 3 points ago +5 / -2

That's why they needed Biden to give them legal cover first before they would do it. They said, yeah, it's wut they said...

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IvermectinWorks 7 points ago +10 / -3

So now your company has to choose between listening to Biden or the courts. If you're legal, which one would you choose?

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Lila_Quartermaine 1 point ago +2 / -1

It's a 3 way. They are trying to balance the decree vs the courts vs their own self interests (Somehow retaining their skilled labor assets who defy the decree).

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MugaUSA 214 points ago +216 / -2

"While OSHA remains confident in its authority to protect workers in emergencies, OSHA has suspended activities related to the implementation and enforcement of the ETS pending future developments in the litigation."

Suspended....for now. Commies will not stop until they are "stopped" permanently.

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Kekintosh2020 70 points ago +70 / -0

Must be made good commies

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IAmTheSenate 29 points ago +29 / -0

Augusto Pinochet has entered the chat

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Major_Nutt 6 points ago +6 / -0

Faint whispers of "Fortunate Son" can be heard in the distance under the roar of chopper blades

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__I_dindu__nufin_ 2 points ago +2 / -0

Conversion therapy

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chickeninoven 43 points ago +43 / -0

*OSHA remains confident in its authority to protect workers in emergencies

Since when has that been within their purview?

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Pepe_longcockings 14 points ago +14 / -0

fails to legally define emergency

checkmate

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KingOfTards 24 points ago +24 / -0

They know they will lose. Their goal was to pressure more people to take the jab.

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info_warrior 2 points ago +6 / -4

The supreme court thus far has upheld every single mandate that was challenged.

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BasedNtruth 2 points ago +3 / -1

Yessir. This one will be no different.

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WinkingPede 11 points ago +11 / -0

Yep, they're like Terminators, stuck in used up dilapidated commie meat sacks.

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JerryNadlerBeltFund 11 points ago +12 / -1

I don't dispute OSHA's authority to protect workers in emergencies. This just isn't an emergency with COVID, and the 5th circuit did a brilliant job of articulating why. OSHA is effectively pushing three specific pharma products as the only solution to a problem that is 100% treatable for the vast majority of people. Why take a vaccine for something that poses no threat?

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SteelBallRun1890 7 points ago +7 / -0

Not only that but the vaccine is basically ineffective. Unless you have serious health problems and are concerned from dying from the coof, there's no reason to get it. It doesn't reduce rate of infection, spread, or lower chances of getting sick. Yet somehow so many people think otherwise even when presented with real life cases of this, it's so sad.

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JerryNadlerBeltFund 6 points ago +6 / -0

If the fed contractor mandate holds (HOW??) then this goes from sad to very expensive in no time.

Maybe my company can hire an illegal from Somalia or an Afghan refugee to replace me. I'm sure they'll ramp up super quick, and apparently they don't have a mandate!

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AlphaNathan 159 points ago +160 / -1

Disband OSHA now.

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DemsHaveNoHomeHere 31 points ago +33 / -2

My industry depends on them when needed.

That said they rarely come through.

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mestama 62 points ago +62 / -0

Anything OSHA does for you, Congress is supposed to be doing for you. That way someone you voted for can make laws to help you. Not some appointed asshole making regulations that ignore the will of the people. All of the alphabet agencies need to burn because they destroy the very principle of representative government.

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45fan 15 points ago +15 / -0

Exactly this. Congress is supposed to be buried in rule-making and not deligation.

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BasedNtruth 5 points ago +5 / -0

OSHA has long been usurped and used as a cudgel against American industry.

Their entire task is to regulate entire sectors to death under the guise of safety.

Sounds familiar huh?

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Donaldino 3 points ago +3 / -0

It starts with the 16th amendment. Federal government was never meant to overrule states, but states want "fed-money" so they bow down to the bullshit.

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IAmTheSenate 18 points ago +18 / -0

Regulate workplace safety at the state level.

A bureaucrat who works in DC from Long Island doesn't have a single fucking clue how long the barbs on my barbed wire in Oklahoma should be.

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Lurking-My-Life-Away 3 points ago +3 / -0

EXACTLY! OSHA violates the 10th amendment.

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almond_activator 4 points ago +4 / -0

9th and 10th. Powers not specifically assigned to Congress are left to the people and the states.

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DemsHaveNoHomeHere 3 points ago +4 / -1

They have field offices, theyre not all from Washington. They do not have the manpower to enforce dick but karens and joggers can snitch and record ppl and osha can make rulings based on the evidence.

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Tallsie 4 points ago +4 / -0

Still should be state controlled. How exactly does osha fit into the commerce clause of the constitution.

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DemsHaveNoHomeHere 0 points ago +1 / -1

Well said fren

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jubyeonin 4 points ago +4 / -0

They don't have the presence to do what people would want them to do. Workplace safety is good, but OSHA can't and shouldn't be involved in it.

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1A2A 4 points ago +4 / -0

Ever see the OSHA accident chart? How once they were implemented accidents just fell off a cliff?!?

Look at the chart leading up to when OSHA was created, it was already falling at that same rate, if anything OSHA slowed it down.

OSHA is illegal, plain and simple. They have zero authority, just like the IRS.

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DemsHaveNoHomeHere 2 points ago +3 / -1

No hard hats per osha for Amish and sikhs. Fucking bullshit.

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PhilosoGuido 4 points ago +4 / -0

States can implement their own state level OSHA organizations.

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Fidget 2 points ago +2 / -0

There’s no need. The market was already handling it, accidents were on a steep decline for decades prior to OSHAs creation, they didn’t do fuck all for the workers.

Workers leave if their employer doesn’t listen to their safety recommendations.

Last thing we need is more fucking regulations.

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PhilosoGuido 2 points ago +2 / -0

I agree. I was just saying that if there were a need for an OSHA type organization, it could be done at the state level.

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Fidget 2 points ago +2 / -0

No ifs, ands or buts!

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MobileDev4Trump 13 points ago +13 / -0

My last employer was always trying to violate OSHA laws doing stuff they weren't qualified to do like climbing cell towers to put up a temporary radio antenna. Funny thing is they are insane about following every stupid little thing put out about Covid.

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jeffwingersballs 10 points ago +10 / -0

Disband the federal government.

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Saint_Floyd 5 points ago +5 / -0

Disband every last bit of the entire federal government and the things it funds (like NPR and PBS)

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porkrice 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was interrogated by OSHA once while at work due to a “concerned anonymous customer” submitting a complaint about my ladder safety. Weirdest thing I’ve ever gone through. They were straight up government officials.

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Legal_Beagle_10 117 points ago +120 / -3

This doesn’t really matter though as most companies are just enforcing their own policy of vaccination status.

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IvermectinWorks 75 points ago +79 / -4

Which is fine, because then they're taking legal responsibility for any vaxx injuries.

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sordfysh 40 points ago +40 / -0

The standard legal recourse for vaxx injuries is workers comp and short/long term disability.

That's not what I would consider full liability.

I know this because Bloomberg Law kept harping that employers should be aware that workers comp covers vaccine injuries, but to not tell your employees because it would scare them into not taking the vaccine.

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IvermectinWorks 26 points ago +27 / -1

This lawyer has gotten 5, 6, 7 million dollar worker's comp settlements, and that's not even the highest award: https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/west/2012/03/07/238613.htm

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sordfysh 5 points ago +5 / -0

Touche.

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IvermectinWorks 6 points ago +6 / -0

We're not even discussing the same thing.

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LibertarianXian 0 points ago +1 / -1

thus violating the NAP, resulting in your deportation and termination

/s

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hdhd66 1 point ago +1 / -0

Global warming isn’t real

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SHILL_DETECTOR 1 point ago +1 / -0

MUIH TITS THO

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RizzlieDoodad 13 points ago +13 / -0

My company stopped the minute OSHA was put on hold. They don't want the liability

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Legal_Beagle_10 -7 points ago +4 / -11

That would be a losing court case

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IvermectinWorks 10 points ago +13 / -3

Really? You do have court cases to cite to, right?

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IvermectinWorks 0 points ago +1 / -1

You need me to prove his claims? Why would I do that when I don't believe it?

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IvermectinWorks 1 point ago +2 / -1

Here's his claim: https://communities.win/c/TheDonald/p/140Is4Mc1H/osha-has-suspended-the-vaxx-mand/c/4JINnQ0wRwA

Next time figure out what the conversation is about before you opine.

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kvsdca 7 points ago +7 / -0

Not if you press them into putting in writing that they are taking 100% responsibility for any adverse reactions. If they aren't willing to do that, they shouldn't be mandating the clot shot.

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y_do_i_need_to_hide 4 points ago +5 / -1

Based on the fact that you don't know what you're talkin about?

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clueless_expert 25 points ago +25 / -0

October has come to be known as Black October at my company. They always have a reduction in force around this time. This year no RIF. They are letting the non-vaxxed go. “It’s not our fault - Joe said we have to do this.” And now it doesn’t matter what OSHA says, the train has left the station.

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MasklessMarvel 6 points ago +7 / -1

October has come to be known as Black October at my company.

i thought that meant it was the month they do diversity hiring

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clueless_expert 5 points ago +5 / -0

lol. Would love to see a sign out front that says "Now Firing"

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jimmycrack 20 points ago +20 / -0

Yup, biden basically got the ball rolling with this mandate shit, opened up the door for everyone to push it themselves

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45FortheWin [S] 11 points ago +11 / -0

Then make them sign something stating they agree to be liable for any vaccine harm.

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Legal_Beagle_10 8 points ago +11 / -3

And when they don’t and just fire you? You don’t have the upper hand on your employer.

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C0meandtakeit 9 points ago +11 / -2

You do if enough people are with you. We have power in numbers.

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Frostyfries -7 points ago +2 / -9

You're talking about unions. Fuck you and unions.

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C0meandtakeit 10 points ago +11 / -1

The idea of unions was not a bad thing. It's what they eventually morphed into witch is bad. But that being said wasn't there a police union in Chicago that was against the vax mandate if I recall correctly.

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Frostyfries 3 points ago +3 / -0

No. There was a time and a place for unions. they did a lot of good in the 20th century but have outlived their usefulness. Unions are socialism.

I belonged to local 770 ufcw for 10 years, and they didnt do dick. All we got were worse contracts, less vacation days, less overtime/holiday pay etc with each contract renewal. They took our union dues and got nothing in return.

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almond_activator 5 points ago +5 / -0

Any voluntary association has the potential to do good. The problem with unions, primarily, is that they are permanent, but the actual need for them is temporary, so they must continually justify their existence with increasingly insane bullshit.

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MasterOfIllusions 4 points ago +4 / -0

If you work basically anywhere but Starcucks', you are not disposable.

If you work in a skilled trade, you are not easy to replace.

If you have any amount of experience in a skilled trade, you can get a couple coworkers together and tell the company to fuck off.

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kilr0y 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sure for wrongful termination

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spezisacuckold 2 points ago +2 / -0

It depends on how valuable and hard to replace you are for the company. Most people can be replaced in a timely manner, unless enough collectively team up and walk out at once leaving a big enough gap.

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wartooth6 2 points ago +2 / -0

There's plenty of high value employees out there that bosses are scared of losing. They don't have the upper hand if firing you is bad for business.

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Deplorable_bastard 4 points ago +4 / -0

Wouldn’t you then have to get vaccinated? How is this a good tactic?

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sordfysh 6 points ago +7 / -1

It's a good tactic if you're comfortable bluffing.

If you can't play a hand of poker to save your life, trust in God and just get the religious exemption. I mean, trusting in God is always the best path forward no matter what you end up doing.

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45FortheWin [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

No, the statement just states if you do because they make it a workplace policy, then they are liable. Several employers have backed off when after being presented with this and they evaluate the potential cost.

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y_do_i_need_to_hide 7 points ago +8 / -1

It absolutely matters because the companies are individually taking on the risk. You can't sue the makers, but you could sue the people who made you.

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sordfysh 1 point ago +1 / -0

It goes to workers comp unless you make them sign something taking on greater liability.

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y_do_i_need_to_hide 4 points ago +4 / -0

Are you saying this based on the case law from other widespread experimental vaccination mandates?

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sordfysh 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is coming from existing legal analysis from big name legal publications.

There is likely existing case law around the flu vaccines, the anthrax vaccine, and the short-lived swine flu vaccine.

I'm sure you could make a different legal argument to fit your needs, but this is the published standard. It will be come precedent once the higher courts rule on it.

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y_do_i_need_to_hide 2 points ago +2 / -0

Right, so existing organizations are trying to tell us there is no case for this novel requirement. I could see why you would buy that, established organizations have a great track record the last 3 years.😁

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sordfysh 3 points ago +3 / -0

You can convince me of whatever, but I'm not going to be the judge.

The practice of law is not about finding convincing arguments, it's about finding convincing arguments to the judge, jury, or tribunal hearing the case.

I'm not telling you what I think is fair or just. In fact, I agree that these mandates are bullshit and the companies should be held liable. But regardless of what I think, the judge is going to look to existing authority. So if you expect to be able to sue your company for full liability, the judge might not buy that. In fact, if you get a lefty judge who regularly reads Bloomberg Law, they are likely going to rule as they read in Bloomberg Law.

I do my best to make the world more just and fair, but I'm not going to lie and tell people that their argument will hold up in court to a sinful, or potentially evil, judge. The world is just as evil as the Bible tells us it is. In fact, I expect that God will be stripping us of all of our idols soon, like He did to Israel in the book of Isaiah. And we will then be living as modern day serfs to modern day Babylon. Even the commies see this coming. Many of their hearts long for Jesus to be shown in the actions of Christians. But too many Chrisitans in the US are too concerned about their retirement accounts and what school their kids will go to to notice that the Devil has enslaved them to an evil religion of comfort and apathy. So the commies fill their hearts with Satan instead of Jesus. And the institutions now wither quickly like the olive tree Jesus saw that bore no fruit. You should not expect olives on that olive tree when you show up to court. It has not produced fruit in decades.

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y_do_i_need_to_hide 1 point ago +1 / -0

I understand. I was just telling you that it's ridiculous to pretend that there is no argument when this is a brand new situation. I admit powerful people are pretending. Regardless of the outcome at no point will I give them the cover of saying that I expected this. This is part of the way they manufacture consent.

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chuckachookah 68 points ago +69 / -1

We need to have this happen with CMS also. CMS is COERCING private businesses to carry out illegal and gravely unconstitutional mandate in the healthcare system.

Missouri AG filed a very similar lawsuit that was filed against OSHA, but I can not find ANY information on when the hearing is on this.

I see the filing here: https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/doc-1---complaint-cms.pdf?sfvrsn=7953e41b_2

I see the Missouri AG's press release about it: https://ago.mo.gov/home/news/2021/11/10/missouri-attorney-general-leads-10-state-coalition-in-challenging-cms-vaccine-mandate-first-states-to-file-suit

I looked through the dockets here: https://www.moed.uscourts.gov/docket. This filing is not scheduled from any time today through the end of this month.

There are hospitals that are threatening fire, unpaid leave, unpaid suspensions, etc by Dec 1 (or the 5th?).

The OSHA thing is big, but to me this CMS thing could be worse, especially as the vaxxed start showing up at hospitals with seizures, cardiac issues, etc.

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Fauxvid_Chineteen 16 points ago +16 / -0

I've been trying to follow this case as well—I did find the judge that is appointed to it—is a Trump appointee and was one of Eric Greitens' attorneys during all that scandal, so it would appear that he's not afraid to take on the messy stuff. Fingers crossed.

I did find this, yesterday! https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/42600713/Missouri,_State_of_et_al_v_Biden_et_al

and here is the judge's bio: https://ballotpedia.org/Matthew_Schelp

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chuckachookah 4 points ago +4 / -0

Nice work, Pede.

Good place to track that it's getting attention. Can't read the PDFs (well, I'm not subscribing to that service).

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Fauxvid_Chineteen 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thanks, fren!

So, the latest action is that the defense has asked the courts not to grand an expedited review. Their PDF asserting why, is nauseating as you can imagine. (I went around that particular service, and signed up for an individual PACER acct right from the PACER website, so I can view docs.)

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chuckachookah 3 points ago +3 / -0

Any date on when their would be a ruling on the submitted filings?

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Fauxvid_Chineteen 3 points ago +3 / -0

Right now, they're bickering back and forth on whether it should be expedited (which, from what I can tell, means having some sort of injunctive relief BEFORE the first jab deadline of 12/6). Plaintiff is now accusing the defendants of purposefully causing more of a time crunch with their opposition to the motion to expedite, and has yet again, expressed why this is 100% necessary.

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chuckachookah 1 point ago +1 / -0

Figures.

They are streamrolling this thing into the health care industry. There is going to be a mass exodus of 30-40% of the employees at hospitals. This imbalance of staff will trigger outcrys of "massive health crisis". It will be blamed on the "unvaxxed" and they will push the Overton window further into our eroding civic and constitutional rights.

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Fauxvid_Chineteen 2 points ago +2 / -0

https://patriots.win/p/140IwameEp/latest-filing-by-the-defense-in-/

Here is a post I made with the latest filings. (Defense's is the photo, and Plaintiff's response to that, made this afternoon, is in the comments).

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Noslack 5 points ago +5 / -0

Executive Order 14042 as well. Any subcontractor, at all levels, is supposedly roped into this if they deliver to the gubmint.

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Stinger554 4 points ago +4 / -0

I will confirm it's December 5th either get the first shot (or J&J shot) or have an allowed exemption otherwise it's unpaid suspension until you either comply or Jan 5 in which case the employee will be "removed from payroll".

At least for the Hospital I'm working at.

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Boinger1988 1 point ago +1 / -0

Same at mine as well. Complete BS

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Boinger1988 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’m one of those healthcare workers…Just found out our hospital was enforcing it today. The religious exemption seems next to impossible to achieve. They’ve let themselves lots of room to fire for endangering patients or staff because youre unvaxxed.

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chuckachookah 2 points ago +2 / -0

I feel for you. I have a few friends in the field (including a surgeon) and they are feeling coerced.

I strongly encourage you to file the religious exemption.

And, the lawyer in Florida that beat the mask and jab mandate, put out two blogs on how to do it right.

I wish you the best. I'm hopeful that the court dealing with the CMS-coercion follows the same route as the OSHA-coercion.

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Boinger1988 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thanks friend!!! That blog is great, those are the exact questions my hospital is forcing me to answer. They leave all kinds of room for entrapment and subjective opinions. thanks for the info

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empiretc 66 points ago +66 / -0

as long as your employer is not the gubment.

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jimmycrack 34 points ago +34 / -0

That's the predicament I'm in. Waiting to hear back about religious exemption.

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Diotima 19 points ago +20 / -1

SAME HERE FREN... I'm working for a federal contractor on a extremely sensitive mission

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Lurking-My-Life-Away 3 points ago +3 / -0

If they can afford to fire you it reality isn't that sensitive, is it?

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ShitOfPeace 7 points ago +7 / -0

Or maybe they're stupid and overconfident in their ability to extort people.

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BadCompany 2 points ago +2 / -0

The fed doesn’t care, it’s up to the contractor to figure that out.

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ROGERHOUSTON999 8 points ago +8 / -0

Good luck I am in the same holding pattern.

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empiretc 6 points ago +6 / -0

good luck, pede!

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Shadow3 5 points ago +5 / -0

Thing is, the religious exemption isn't an exemption. They still can force you into second class employment via "health and safety accommodations".

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 5 points ago +5 / -0

Same boat. Contract Mod received yesterday to include the mandate clause. DoD contract.

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FAA_Pede 1 point ago +1 / -0

So, the FAR is still in effect? No chance that's being shot down.

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yeah per the Fed Contractor EO. Texas sued on Monday, so hopefully it'll be stayed, but for now, all new contracts post Oct 15th are to require it, a new OYs exercised are to include it and for active contracts, CORs have the option to include the clause as a Mod. Of course these cuck CORs are doing that even though they don't need to.

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FAA_Pede 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wonder if they'll send those MODs faster than a simple FOB origin change LOL

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ThisTrainHasNoBrakes 7 points ago +7 / -0

Makes me think maybe the government should be a bit smaller…

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Idontevenknow 4 points ago +4 / -0

Lol, good luck on your upcoming no-knock raid thinking such crazy things! ;-)

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GhostPepperedLabia 1 point ago +1 / -0

Don't ask about all the banana peels on the sidewalk.

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empiretc 1 point ago +1 / -0

x2

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amopheldupsidedown 1 point ago +1 / -0

So does the gubment fine itself when you live in freedom?

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Callix 1 point ago +1 / -0

Or an acceptor of Medicare. This doesn’t help anyone in healthcare, sadly.

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SuperFreedomMan 55 points ago +56 / -1

Anybody caught pushing these death jabs should be put against the wall.

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iideathyii 11 points ago +12 / -1

soon

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TexasPiper 3 points ago +4 / -1

When will then be now?

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TrumpAndGodWin 4 points ago +4 / -0

Anyone can do things if they're willing to pay the price.

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Xuvial 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just 2 more weeks.

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trump_2077 2 points ago +2 / -0

THIS kek

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RStroud 0 points ago +3 / -3

Captain Planet fedposting: "The Power is Yours"

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Just_An_Idahoan 6 points ago +7 / -1

So Big Mike can de-flower them. 🍌😯

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Stanwyk74 2 points ago +2 / -0

I remember getting hammered by conservatives 6 months ago whem I said I hope any company mandating this should be sued out of existence.

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Shadow3 2 points ago +2 / -0

Squad up.

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CMDRConanAAnderson 51 points ago +53 / -2

They will lie. This is why it's important to have them expressly fire you. ASK them if they will fire you for not getting jabbed.

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Xuvial 1 point ago +2 / -1

"Oh we're not firing you for not being jabbed, it's just that your role has been disestablished. Very unfortunate. Now kindly get the fuck out of our building".

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NotAHandshake 45 points ago +46 / -1

While OSHA remains confident in its authority to protect workers in emergencies ...

God, I fucking hate these people so fucking much.

THE COURTS ARE STRIKING YOUR BULLSHIT DOWN. They're getting a dose of their own, "that's how you know it's working" from our judicial system.

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akira2501 12 points ago +12 / -0

OSHA doesn't even protect workers. They make rules. Then when the rules are broken, they show up and write a report. They have no active enforcement arm, they're almost entirely complaints driven, and they don't seem to do any investigations unless a dead body turns up.

In what world do they imagine they're "protecting" people?

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ShitOfPeace 2 points ago +2 / -0

No, you see, in these cases it's because these particular judges are biased. They were probably even appointed by Republicans. That's how you know they're the worst.

It's much easier if getting a result you don't like is justified by going further down some rabbit hole of crazy. That way you can never be wrong.

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Fauxvid_Chineteen 44 points ago +44 / -0

This also does not apply to all of the healthcare workers who fall under the CMS mandate. That one, while being litigated against by a total of 22 states, now—is STILL active. 😓

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theglynn 14 points ago +14 / -0

What a mess and a crime that we have segregated classes of people with the same constitutional rights.

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Cyer6 14 points ago +14 / -0

Our TX AG is going after that one too!

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iIndianaJones 43 points ago +44 / -1

But it doesn't apply to Federal Workers or Contractors.

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theglynn 15 points ago +16 / -1

Yet you are protected by the same constitution.

Was their anything in your contract for employment that said you give up those rights?

Who would give them up?

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iIndianaJones 17 points ago +17 / -0

My wife is a healthcare worker at a local hospital. She is considered a Federal Contractor. They already rejected her religious exemption, and sent an email today that said regardless of OSHA, Dec 6th or be gone.

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invalid_data 8 points ago +8 / -0

This is the march of these communists to pledge their allegiance to the Party. Everything else be damned because the Party rules above all.

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oklahomacentristmd 4 points ago +4 / -0

CMS (Medicare/Medicaid) has its own mandate as well. It has a similar time frame, different rules for testing and is not currently suspended by the courts.

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sordfysh 5 points ago +5 / -0

The constitution only protects you from being forced to do something against your will. An employer's personal decision to require experimental gene therapies for their employees is not an issue that pertains to the US Constitution because it's not your right to be employed by that employer.

This is what people are waking up to these days: we need to work for moral citizens, not authoritatians, even though the authoritarians pay more and give better benefits. The authoritarians will eventually treat you like a slave. The moral citizens will treat you like a neighbor.

The golden handcuffs are Satanic, but you can take them off if you put your trust in the Lord. But you generally cannot ask the earthly justice system to remove your golden handcuffs because it's not human nature to have sympathy for someone with golden handcuffs.

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theglynn 3 points ago +3 / -0

"The constitution only protects you from being forced to do something against your will."

There is more to it. We have liberty where we have freedom act according to our own will. We are also afforded equal protection, we can be trusted to govern ourselves, and the government is of OUR consent. By working for the government, it makes no sense that we give up our consent.

Yes we can switch jobs and we can argue about all the made up "bureaucracy to make you cry" statutes, but the principles of self-governance and equal protection remain.

The people making decisions about employees better take note that they are ethically responsible for harm done by injections ... morals and ethics used to be taught. Being moral citizens as you say is exactly what we need.

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SteelBallRun1890 3 points ago +3 / -0

I keep coming across quite a few comments of yours in this thread, you seem to carry wise words fren. What's a good place to start working at now? I just moved town and have a great opportunity to search for a new job but I'm not quite sure what to look at. All of these mandates makes me nervous about finding a new place.

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sordfysh 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thank you for the appreciation! Any wisdom I profess to have is God's doing, but my heart isn't perfect.

I would start at your church and other churches. Find a Christian fellowship, especially with people who share your profession or industry. A Christian professional will be ecstatic to hire or partner with another Christian. Especially in the same church.

It's a two way street. If your employee is Christian, they will be less likely to lie and cheat. And you will know that they will more likely use their wages to glorify God. And if you work for a Christian, you are more likely to be treated fairly and respectfully as a child of God. You might not get paid as much, but you are more likely to know that the profit you drive for your employer will be used to glorify God.

And when you seek to glorify God, your cup will overflow. You might not get wealthy, but your blessings will be great.

As an aside, it can be very beneficial to volunteer some of your time to a Christian mission, especially if it's something you have a particular knack for. It helps build Christian fellowship, and it bonds you spiritually to your community.

But also, if you don't already have Christian fellowship, remember the story of Joseph. Joseph worked as a slave in a pagan noble's house and after being wrongly accused and spending time in prison, he then worked in a pagan prison. Joseph had no fellowship besides God. And God used Jospeh's work to bless the entire nation of Israel.

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hdhd66 2 points ago +2 / -0

The solution has ALWAYS been to build your own company. It dates back to the times of people complaining about working on holidays at Walmart. Well then go build your own company. The solution is easy. It’s just that people don’t like hard work

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sordfysh 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's actually worse than that. It's because people lost what it means to be a community.

People would rather buy their eggs from Walmart instead of from the small shop down the road. Yes, it is cheaper right now, but eventually they will own you.

You can't compete with slave labor if the consumers are driven by greed. But everytime you buy local or buy American, you deprive the slavers of another profit that will be used to enslave you.

Yes, you need leaders in a community, but you also need moral citizens to follow the leaders. Otherwise the sheep will go to the trough and line up for slaughter.

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CrossTheRubiconTrump 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yep got my five day notice of termination on Monday. USDA employee that works with rural farmers. They don't care that I have a pending religious accommodation request.

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trump_2077 1 point ago +1 / -0

THE COURTS ARE STRIKING YOUR BULLSHIT DOWN. They're getting a dose of their own, "that's how you know it's working" from our judicial system.

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Chainsaw 37 points ago +37 / -0

Now get the federal contractor mandate canned.

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thisguy883 5 points ago +5 / -0

too late for me unfortunately.

But I'm hoping something will happen before they decide to mandate boosters.

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Deplorable_bastard 27 points ago +27 / -0

Companies can mandate it anyway though. And that’s what they’ll do. What we need is state legislatures to make it illegal for companies to mandate anything medical on their employees.

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Shadow3 5 points ago +5 / -0

"bubut.. that's applying moar regulations upon the businesses!" - their actual rebuttal in state legislature

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hdhd66 2 points ago +2 / -0

Less regulation IS better. I think a better solution is employees wising up and dropping like flys. If all of these businesses are bad then leave already! Everyone talks so much shit but they don’t want to leave or build their own. Gotta take it into your own hands. What would businesses around the world do if everyone said peace out tomorrow? That’s how you get shit done

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realPhantomFuck 26 points ago +26 / -0

I work for a Fortune 500

Yesterday the President and CEO both said they're dropping the jab mandate

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RPchill1 11 points ago +11 / -0

Me too. Mine has not mandated yet and said they're "monitoring" for further developments before making a decision. Seems like they don't really want to mandate unless they have to.

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thatyoungerolderguy 4 points ago +4 / -0

I work in a Fortune 500 company too that's considered critical. Last Friday they announced they are going along with the mandate starting on Dec. 6. Not sure if there will be an option to work from home or not yet, they have given us zero information on how any employee can get around this mandate.

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realPhantomFuck 8 points ago +8 / -0

Request to WFH or accept a dismissal

I've been WFH since when the WuFlu started and they wanted me back in the office in July '21 and I would HAVE to be vaccinated...

I told them no. Kept my job and now we're in November and they dropped the jab all together. Stay strong!

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jtt888 3 points ago +3 / -0

How are they asking for confirmation? Tell them you don't share your medical records. See what happens. If they say you must, tell them your religious beliefs tell you not to take the shot. See what happens. Good luck.

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trump_2077 1 point ago +1 / -0

THE COURTS ARE STRIKING YOUR BULLSHIT DOWN. They're getting a dose of their own, "that's how you know it's working" from our judicial system.

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paupertoapawn 24 points ago +24 / -0

This doesn't mean anything. There was already a stay on the mandate from the courts that would prevent enforcement until lawsuits settle. OSHA is literally just saying "ok we will comply and not enforce until the lawsuits settle." Everyone is doing this. My company has said "we arent going to force anyone to get the vaccine and dont plan to unless the lawsuits fail and we are required to."

The big question is going to be how cucked our courts are.

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sustainable_saltmine 8 points ago +9 / -1

employers are still being allowed to impose their own mandates, they just aren't being forced by OSHA to do it. Until you have laws that explicitly ban individual employers from mandating their own, you got nothing.

This is like Youngkin now saying the STATE of VA won't impose a STATE mandate but he won't interfere with any local city/town order or employer imposing a mandate.

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paupertoapawn 8 points ago +8 / -0

I agree, but thay wont happen in most states. There is already legal precident for state vaccine mandates. Sucks but thats the truth. Legal precident shouldnt really mean that much, but our court system puts a lot of weight behind it when doing so favorably grants power to the state.

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Burritoqueen 3 points ago +3 / -0

My counterargument is that "freedom" practically doesn't exist in cases where the costs/consequences of exercising that freedom are too high for an ordinary person to bear, so there needs to be statutory limits on those consequences to ensure that they remain proportionate and surmountable for an ordinary person.

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JesusPay 2 points ago +3 / -1

+1. People of a small government are asking for more regulations.

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Silmarien 0 points ago +1 / -1

Contract law does not supersede medical freedom and natural rights. Your medical rights cannot be violated by any entity, because they are your birthright. No matter what you sign. No one can sign away their natural rights. The protection of your rights against employers' bad faith contracts is one legitimate function of government.

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Zskills 1 point ago +1 / -0

Totally sour grapes. Bunch of children.

They made this announcement as a direct result of the court decision, now pretending it was their idea.

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CaptWigWag 19 points ago +19 / -0

From what I understand, the CMS mandate still stands for healthcare industry workers and there are still lawsuits trying to get it thrown out.

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Patriot6969 16 points ago +16 / -0

They were ordered to do it by the court. They are still persuing the case and wont stop

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NotAHandshake 13 points ago +13 / -0

Yep, notice they all have consistent messaging, from OSHA to the WH -- "we're confident in our ability blahblahblah" which is to say "we're gonna fucking do it anyway, what are you gonna do to stop us?"

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TheOutlawPepeWales 14 points ago +14 / -0

They never expected to win. It was a coercion tactic.

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Falling_ferret 6 points ago +6 / -0

The heat from this crisis is cooling off. Even people in my extremely liberal city are taking off masks and ignoring the mandates. They are taking boosters, but not with the same enthusiasm.

Just wait, winter is coming and so will a new crisis that the normies will buy into. There isn't enough fear in the air to push through this mandate, though they tried. Simply, they learned they need to dive a bit deeper.

Buckle up. Notice how the mask arguments faded when the vax came around? Well, the next phase will be the same. Being forced to take the vax for your job will be of little concern in comparison to what they push next...

I have no idea what it will be, passports? Hardcore lockdowns? Australia and NYC are the template, I'm sure it'll be something similar.

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WinterSoldier82 13 points ago +13 / -0

Ugh that word, Suspended...For now....

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wartooth6 6 points ago +6 / -0

How many deadlines have there been now? Sounds like this can just keeps getting kicked down the road. We need to punt the fucker outta here.

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WinterSoldier82 3 points ago +3 / -0

100%

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_soundwave_ 11 points ago +11 / -0

Most larger corporations carry insurance against wrongful termination suits. They will absolutely settle up to that deductible limit (usually 6 figures or so).

If you are going to be forced out. Make them bleed. Edit: yes even in an “at will” state.

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_soundwave_ 3 points ago +3 / -0

Referring to the company settling not insurance. The company will settle up to the deductible. Workers comp and wrongful termination are not the same.

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naahbruh 1 point ago +1 / -0

I've been in talks with a lawyer going through my religious exemption. It's an astounding position the employer is putting themself in from a religious standpoint. Since religion doesn't have to defined by an actual "religion" so to speak, they can either A. Deny your religious belief but let someone else get theirs exempted and bring on a suit that states your religion isn't as legitimate as the others or B. Deny all religious exemptions and then face an even larger suit where they're going to have to pay their way through a decision based on Title VII.

The reason I brought up the lawyer, I only paid for a consultation to review pitfalls of the exemption form and make sure I didn't trap myself. He's kept in touch since then to see how things are going because I think he's aware that if this goes sideways it would be, as he put it, "a case that they've been looking for".

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myswedishfriend 10 points ago +10 / -0

Unless your employer has set an earlier deadline than the government. Getting the OSHA rule cancelled does nothing to prevent business from requiring the jab anyway.

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chuckachookah 7 points ago +8 / -1

True, but the business is VOLUNTARILY taking on all liability from all resulting actions --that's a) injuries linked to the vaccine and b) unfounded discipline or firing.

Their actions will (literally) be AFTER a court has declared a mandate as gravely unconstitutional as the foundation for their business decision.

They are still acting as an extension of State pressure and in that situation, the BUSINESS must uphold our constitutional and civil rights the same what that the State.

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thisguy883 1 point ago +1 / -0

but the business is VOLUNTARILY taking on all liability from all resulting actions --that's a) injuries linked to the vaccine and b) unfounded discipline or firing.

only applies if its written and has to be signed by both representative of the company and the employee.

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chuckachookah 1 point ago +1 / -0

Explain what you mean?

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KingOfTards 5 points ago +5 / -0

I work for the biggest cucked company and they never followed up with a deadline.

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leakmouth 9 points ago +9 / -0

Let the lawsuits begin! Anypede Who got the fax because they felt coerced or threaten to be fired etc. should seek legal counsel NOW. Whether or not you got any kind of vax injury.

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CensoredByMarxists 8 points ago +8 / -0

First Statement is true, but no court is stopping any private company to date from issuing a mandate regardless of OSHA mandate being suspended.

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123notimeforme 8 points ago +8 / -0

Buddy works for a big company, very huge company. They told him get jabbed or fired. He said well I guess I'm fired then. He is a year from retirement. They put him on disability and sent him home. Now he sits home and gets paid to do nothing until they decide to fire him or bring him back. If it was so concrete that this will be legal huge company woulda axed him by now. They have buildings full of lawyers working for them. They can pretty much fire you for showing up for work on time and get away with it if they want to. For them to not fire him tells me they know something is gonna change. I could be wrong though.

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GainesvilleFlorida 1 point ago +1 / -0

intriguing.

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Jleinf 8 points ago +8 / -0

They can’t mandate an experimental vaccine. Until the FDA releases their safety and efficacy data and accepts liability that vaccine is not FDA approved. Do you hear me CMS?

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SaltySteffie 3 points ago +3 / -0

This⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

It was never FDA-approved; they only extended the EUA. And an EUA shot can’t be mandated.

If everyone would just be shouting this everywhere all the time, we wouldn’t be here at this juncture. I’ve been saying this since the summer 🤬

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BBWasHere 1 point ago +1 / -0

So does that mean since the data is reportedly being suppressed until 2076 that it will never be "approved"?

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sub-collector 7 points ago +7 / -0

>While OSHA remains confident in its authority to protect workers in emergencies
It needs to be burned down to the ground and its ashes scattered over the Gobi desert.

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sustainable_saltmine 3 points ago +3 / -0

Their authority is slip and fall, not medical

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sub-collector 1 point ago +1 / -0

And even then, they've done more harm than good.

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Snoozebum 7 points ago +7 / -0

“We can’t make you get vaxxed at the moment due to a court order, but we’re chomping at the bit for the day that we can. We hate your guts.”

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IronPatriot1 7 points ago +7 / -0

These bastards are not going to give up on this crap. They're going to go the route of making medical insurance companies deny you insurance or make it stupid extensive unless you vaxx. Kind of a reverse pre-existing condition clause. We're sorry but you have a pre-existing condition of being free and we can't give you insurance.

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hdhd66 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ok so then all unvaxxed won’t be paying them anymore. Is that not an issue?

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FredRedd 7 points ago +7 / -0

While this is isn’t the complete victory we want and need, it is OSHA backing down to the Patriots’; “because, Fuck You!”

…For this round, at any rate.

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VoteMAGA 7 points ago +7 / -0

My employer falls under "federal contractor" -- I'm in the utilities industry. Luckily we had a huge uprising of over 40% of employees demanding religious exemptions or threatening lawsuits. The feds reversed course and gave utilities an exemption because they didn't want rolling blackouts across the country.

So, my company now falls under OSHA rules as far as the mandate goes. Our CEO just released a statement today saying we won't be required to be vaxxed, and can instead opt for routine testing. He said he's not in favor of a vax mandate and wants to give people options.

Hold the line!

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aKekabove 3 points ago +3 / -0

they will get you on testing... they will make you pay for it... they will make it cost hundreds a month ... the pcr test goes out the window in December... the approved one to replace it is gonna cost a ton of money on your end to routinely take... its a trap....

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VoteMAGA 3 points ago +3 / -0

My company is paying for it as they have been during the whole plandemic. If they stop paying, i'll use it as a tax deduction.

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aKekabove 3 points ago +3 / -0

my friend has testing ... her company paid for it to ... until they didnt... they annoucnhed they wont be paying for it past the new year...... also she has to pay 60 more a week on her insurance because she is unvexxed... they are pulling out all the stops to force everyone into the passport vex system

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thisguy883 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yup.

Not to mention the travel industry. This is how they will get a lot of people. Hell, its how they got my wife and her family.

They cant visit family back in their home country unless they get vaxxed.

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sustainable_saltmine 1 point ago +1 / -0

every business in the US falls under OSHA. Your little mom and pop operation employs a non-family member and they have a slip and fall, they could call OSHA and they can come do an audit of your safety record and procedures at your place of business and could fine you if they find negligence. It's not just federally-attached business. It's not just schools, factories or places of public accommodation. It's any workplace that has employees. The "point" of OSHA is to look out for the safety of the employees and stop unsafe work conditions like employers cutting corners and not doing proper maintenance or knowingly hiding safety issues to save a few bucks that could get someone hurt. But mandating every employee take a questionable medical treatment as a condition of their employment should not fall under that umbrella

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VoteMAGA 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree.

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mikejones 7 points ago +7 / -0

Now do federal contractors next.

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Goatboy66 7 points ago +7 / -0

Osha didnt suspend the Biden Mandate. The 5 Circuit Court Did.

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seeyouinvalhalla 1 point ago +1 / -0

There was a 50/50 chance that OSHa says "fuck the 5th, we're doing it anyways", so it's glad to see that they are backing off.

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SkullE 1 point ago +1 / -0

OSHA gets payed from issuing fines to companies. It is not govt funded. The second Florida kicked osha out of their state, the ruling was doomed. Don’t want any more states to say no. No, means no money from fines.

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Smashley 6 points ago +6 / -0

More importantly, if you work at a place that is doing this and not sticking up for you , get the hell out of there. Find something better. My best advise is to start a business in something you have some proficiency in. Get your 10,000 hours in and be free.

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kcidgib 6 points ago +6 / -0

I work for a large religious organization. The head of the church mentioned they will grant no religious exemptions. WTF?

I know of a respiratory therapist that did not want to get vaxxed and the hospital gave her a fake vax card.

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TOPDAWG23 1 point ago +1 / -0

salvation army?

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dres3 2 points ago +2 / -0

Chances are that the hospital saw writing on wall a little earlier than others and gave out fake ones meant to last as long as possible for 'things to work out' like Courts versus employer mandate.

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dakin116 6 points ago +6 / -0

That's great, Bill Lee also signed legislation into law banning all Covid theater and yet the school districts in the cities are still forcing masks on kids. Communists don't care

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MaxineWaters4Prez 6 points ago +6 / -0

Printing money fast as possible to drive up an inflation crisis.

Shipping intentionally halted creating a supply chain crisis.

Pipelines being shut down to create a gas and heating crisis.

Forced (coerced) medical procedures to create an employment crisis.

Healthcare worker shortage will cause a medical/Healthcare delivery and provision crisis.

Fire and police departments shutting down over staffing being insufficient.

Do you get it yet? They are sabotaging the essentials of everyday life over this fake flu.

Food, energy, and other necessities are about to become crazy scarce and your money is becoming more worthless by the day.

This is intentional.

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HyperCarbs 6 points ago +6 / -0

OSHA has suspended activities related to the implementation and enforcement of the ETS pending future developments in the litigation.

Let's Go Brandon!

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americaeffyeah 6 points ago +6 / -0

and if your employer already made you get the jab...be lookin for attorneys

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QueensOwn 6 points ago +6 / -0

The banner headline is wrong. The US Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit issued a stay ORDERING that OSHA take no steps to “implement or enforce”.

OSHA did not suspend the vaxx mandate. They were ORDERED to by the court.

Not trying to be a pain but this terminology is important. We need to stop giving these government agencies credit for powers they don’t have.

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Patriots_Spike 5 points ago +5 / -0

Does this also go for government contract jobs? I have a friend who makes ships for the government, and they fired over 1000 employees who didn't get vaccinated already.

My friend has an appointment for this Friday to get his vax reluctantly. Will forward it along either way!

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SaltySteffie 3 points ago +3 / -0

OMG ask your friend what good his job will be to him and his family if he’s fucking dead?

Why can’t people see this? THERE WILL BE OTHER JOBS! He’s a man, so ask him if it will be worth it if the shots make his dick flaccid for life? Would he still take it if he knew he would never get a hard-on again? That’s a distinct possibility, because he may have a massive stroke like so many others, and end up paralyzed on half his body or unable to move or talk- in which case he won’t be able to work anyway. And if people think these companies are going to take care of them if they end up disabled, they are fucking stupid.

Please try to get through to your friend. He’s really being a baby and a dumbass.

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Patriots_Spike 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh he knows, and he's been against it this whole time. But he let his greed take over and got the Johnson and Johnson today. For a job that pays only $6k more a year. He lives alone too so if he died it'll be awhile before anyone finds him!

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Snoman 5 points ago +5 / -0

Are the employers accepting responsibility for the mandate, that’s the question.

They should be required to sign a document accepting full responsibility, given OSHA has backed out.

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45FortheWin [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

Correct. They can no longer hide behind OSHA and the businesses assume the liability. I have to wonder if all businesses understand that. It's not something you want to first learn about when a vaxx injury lawsuit is dropped on you.

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Snoman 5 points ago +5 / -0

If those who have already been injured or lost family members started suing the employers asap, this course would be corrected.

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Destroy_WithLove 5 points ago +6 / -1

We are at war. We're fighting for our lives, our families, our nation, Western Civilization, and yes, even the future of mankind.

We're dead in the middle of an engineered mass extinction event. Those that survive will be enslaved down to their DNA. There's an injectable ID in that serum, and those in power will wield it like a club- step out of line, and you'll be denied access to all of life's necessities, including food. The upcoming famines will make the Great Leap Forward look like a kids game.

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AmazinKrackin2 5 points ago +5 / -0

build back better is based on the vaccine and getting everyone on a cycle of booster shots which will lead to a social credit score system.

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jsnforce 5 points ago +5 / -0

I would argue that unless the mandate is fully rejected, or that there is an extended deadline due to the suspension, most employers who are complying will proceed.

Consider the situation from the perspective of the employer who delayed their compliance policies, only to find that the mandate resumed or was reissued with the same deadline.

Recall the eviction moratorium. We all know that even if the OSHA rule is thrown out, Biden has no problem issuing another slightly-modified, unconstitutional, illegal executive order knowing that even if he only pushes his agenda along a month at a time, he will eventually effectively achieve his goal.

Businesses will take it upon themselves to enforce this mandate for fear of being out of compliance later.

As long as we continue to allow this, our corrupt government can do whatever they want for short periods, and only short periods where there is meaningful resistance. How often can we rely on The Daily Wire or Project Veritas to file suits to intercept these dictates?

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SaltySteffie 1 point ago +1 / -0

That’s why resisting by trying to get an exemption is problematic- it shows how unwilling we are to just fucking say no and resist.

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jsnforce 1 point ago +1 / -0

I intend to file for an exemption based on "strongly held beliefs" that the government has no goddamn business telling me what medical procedures to have.

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SaltySteffie 2 points ago +2 / -0

Right on. I hope it works for you.

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Watch_TheKarma_Burn 5 points ago +5 / -0

Wife was already fired in November.

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Women4Trump2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Good for her, standing for freedom. I hope she finds a much better job

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AssPhixEAtion627 5 points ago +5 / -0

If your company is reimbursed through medicare/medicaid you still have to comply with joe shartdens CMS vax mandate.

Ken Paxton has a lawsuit filed yesterday but the fed got the small print and is trying to destroy the US healthcare system and keep us sick with fucked up drugs.

Turn off the tv amd get off the big pharma. (There are some beneficial meds, dont get me wrong, but if you taking the pills for fun you are part of the problem. Get sober and find some spirituality. This world about to get darker.

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FAAFO 5 points ago +5 / -0

Not true. If they require the jab, that’s their prerogative. What this DOES mean is they don’t have osha to hide their liability behind.

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TOPDAWG23 2 points ago +2 / -0

What's funny all them only did the mandates because of buying the b*******. It's like now they started it they're scared to death to stop it. They know Biden will just do this over and over and over again with different wording.

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FAAFO 2 points ago +2 / -0

History shows he will. What a brave new world were in

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SkullE 1 point ago +1 / -0

This right here. Liability is the name of the game.

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Faix 4 points ago +4 / -0

OH MY GOD SO MUCH WEIGHT LIFTED OFF MY SHOULDERS! THIS IS WHAT WINNING FEELS LIKE BABY!

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Peep45 5 points ago +5 / -0

That's our problem. Apparently no relief there. Separate issue being handled by separate lawsuits. Until everything gets rolled into one giant case in front of 6th circuit, then supreme court. Very confusing, so, that's just my understanding.

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Gnometard 4 points ago +4 / -0

It was never about it being official, it was getting businesses to do it on their own.

His announcement of intention got it started, this court fiasco is doing the same.

Anything short of BANNING the mandates is a loss.