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posted ago by fezg ago by fezg +494 / -11

If and when I have kids and they ask me what caused America’s downfall, I’m gonna say, “It started with the atheists and nonbelievers who rejected God and his son Jesus Christ and who became more and more corrupt as a result.”

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Fuck_the_Government 30 points ago +38 / -8

Atheism caused what? 70% of Americans are Christians. I'd look there first.

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Truinondupressure 26 points ago +28 / -2

Last I checked all my democrat friends are catholic.

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ItsBigLeagueNotBigly 15 points ago +17 / -2

They're not Christians. A Christian would never vote for people who celebrate babies getting murdered.

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cherryred 8 points ago +9 / -1

"A christian would never", bruv just look around. Identity politics is always wrong. Personal responsibility is where it's at.

Just don't pretend following a religion and calling yourself a "real christian" guarantees you're like Jesus. You have to actually live it.

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fezg [S] 22 points ago +30 / -8

Christians in name only.

Real Christians don’t support homosexuality, transgenderism, communism etc.

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ItsBigLeagueNotBigly 7 points ago +8 / -1

Gotta love those liberal "Christians" who have no problem with babies getting murdered.

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TGNX 7 points ago +8 / -1

No true Scotsman would put sugar on his porridge.

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fezg [S] 5 points ago +18 / -13

You don't see yourself, but your comment is full of hate and anger. This is what you don't understand. The vitriol that your spewing in itself is separating you from God because it's a form of unforgiveness.

"And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses” (Mark 11:25).

I have no anger or hate towards you, like you do for me. And, yet, you think your level of morality is adequate. This is the problem with subjective morality that's based on what you think is right. If everyone ran their life like that, then I hope you can see that there would be murderers and rapists out there claiming to be as moral as you, or I. You know that for morality to mean anything, there has to be a universal standard. And that's what comes from God and specifically, the words of Jesus Christ, who sets the highest standard of morality much higher than that of any other religion.

But, the whole point is to be able to really understand that you or I can't possibly adhere to these high standards, which is precisely why we need a savior and why we need Jesus Christ. That's what being saved is about. But, the beauty is, once we accept Christ, he helps to transform our minds and to become more like him. It takes humility to accept that you're a sinner. It's not about boasting. I am a sinner like anyone else, but that's why I need Jesus.

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TGNX 4 points ago +12 / -8

Since you are attacking him because he doesn't think like you, I'm betting that's the reason he's angry with you.

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fezg [S] 5 points ago +13 / -8

Haha he’s the one cussing me out and being nasty, but I’m the one “attacking” him. Ay ay ay

What was “attacking” about anything I said?

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habib_cuckbear 10 points ago +11 / -1

Any form of rebuttal or criticism is an attack on the Internet. Soyboys gonna soy. You can never get the reddit DNA out of this place.

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TGNX -1 points ago +1 / -2

You said he was responsible for all the worlds problems. Pretty sure that's an attack on his character.

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fezg [S] 2 points ago +3 / -1

Atheism is an idea not a person. Try again.

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GontMawr -1 points ago +1 / -2

"Fuck off with your purity tests..."

First words of your response "You don't see yourself...."

Your words don't need to be abusive to be offensive. That's in your character.

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fezg [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm just a guy who's trying to put a mirror up to you, like you would a family member who's an alcoholic, but who doesn't want to change or look at himself. People who do that care about you. I don't say this because I am trying to do harm. Besides, they're just words. You don't have to listen to me. Christianity is about the freedom to choose. Jesus gave us free will so we could choose Him. He doesn't want to force compliance. That's the big difference between leftists and us.

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SboneyLovesGod 3 points ago +3 / -0

God Bless You

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TedTheAtheist 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, sometimes people's replies are full of "hate and anger", and they SHOULD be... because they are expressing themselves towards that which upsets them, and in this case that thing that upsets them is RELIGION.. which is BAD.

It's GOOD to be angry towards BAD things like religion.

Jesus most likely never existed and you have NO idea what a "god" is.

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TedTheAtheist 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why would anyone talk about communism these days?

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BoughtByBloomberg2 1 point ago +2 / -1

Lol the no true christian right out of the gate. Christians are the problem. They are soft and malleable. Easily manipulated by communists.

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ItsBigLeagueNotBigly 17 points ago +20 / -3

Saying you're a Christian doesn't mean you're a Christian.

Saying you're a woman because you cut your dick off doesn't mean you're a woman.

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Fuck_the_Government 1 point ago +6 / -5

Are you some kind of mind reader? You can't just arbitrarily define "Christian" to exclude anyone you don't like.

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anon09 1 point ago +6 / -5

its not arbitrary, there's a very simple, clear definition. you might figure it out eventually.

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Fuck_the_Government 3 points ago +7 / -4

JFL Christians have been fighting over what it means to be a Christian for the better part of 2000 years. You're just some random nobody, not an expert.

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anon09 5 points ago +9 / -4

ahh, another one who only listens to the experts, huh?

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anon09 0 points ago +8 / -8

and yes, and a random nobody I shall remain. although I'm positive you've seen my work before out in the world.

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ItsBigLeagueNotBigly 4 points ago +4 / -0

I'm intrigued. What's your work?

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anon09 -1 points ago +4 / -5

can't say

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ItsBigLeagueNotBigly -4 points ago +2 / -6

Christians don't actively support evil people or things. A Christian knows what's good and what's evil.

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Fuck_the_Government 1 point ago +5 / -4

You're just making my point for me by arbitrarily defining "Christian" as above some standard of morality in order to exclude the ones you don't like.

Tonnes of Christians have actively supported evil people and things. This is obvious to anyone who has read a history book. These same Christians just interpret the bible in such a way as to justify their support of evil by calling it good.

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ItsBigLeagueNotBigly -1 points ago +2 / -3

Being a Christian means believing in Jesus Christ, and doing your best to live as he would. Murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, etc. It's not rocket science.

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TuckersLegalCouncil 0 points ago +2 / -2

now do 'collateral damage'

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seilgu 4 points ago +4 / -0

Fun Fact: Madalyn Murray O'Hair, the woman responsible for removing God and prayer from classrooms, was brutally murdered and decapitated by a fellow atheist. In addition to killing her, he also killed and decapitated her son and granddaughter, and robbed them of $500,000 in gold coins. 🤣😂

Here is the Forensic Files episode outlining the entire story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPrsitqV04g

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anon09 8 points ago +8 / -0

most of them just say that to get along, like how today they say boys can be girls.

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Southboundanddown 1 point ago +1 / -0

Interesting stat, where'd you get it?

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AnastasiusFocht 22 points ago +22 / -0

Communists infiltrating government, education and the military caused it.

You can blame the faithless all you want, but then you'd just be the willing pawn of the communists that want to push this blame shifting narrative

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anon09 -3 points ago +7 / -10

lol the communists are the faithless

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AnastasiusFocht 13 points ago +13 / -0

The communists have faith, it's the faith in their demon lord that they never publicly speak of.

They use the faith of others, and the absence of faith in some, to create division and hate.
They do this so that nobody looks at them while the world crumbles.
They make you look everywhere else but at them so they can avoid punishment for what they do.

Anytime there are two groups hostile to each other, there is a 3rd party encouraging them from the outside, today they are called communists, they have had many names throughout history.
They are always the ones who encourage others to bicker and fight so that they can profit from the outcome.

Be wary of those that encourage you to provoke violence towards others, while they speak poison in your ear, their hands are reaching for your wallet

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anon09 -1 points ago +3 / -4

faith in themselves. humanists. even though they'll also tell you that humans are mold.

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TGNX 8 points ago +8 / -0

No, they have faith in their idea of government. To them, government is god.

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Buff_cousin_Elroy 13 points ago +14 / -1

I am not religious. Red blooded pistol packin’ commie stomper here.

You think that makes me a communist because I don’t believe in your religion?

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anon09 0 points ago +4 / -4

I don't have a religion, so no

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Decanter -8 points ago +2 / -10

You’re susceptible, since your morality is subjective.

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Buff_cousin_Elroy 10 points ago +11 / -1

Hahaha sure thing lil buddy, you’re ridiculous. What sacrifices have you made for this country?

“Hurr de durr, you’s not a Christian! You are a non-believer! That means you are communist!”

To think if people don’t believe your religion they cannot be patriots is hilarious. That point of view makes you look and sound like a fuckin retard.

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anon09 -5 points ago +3 / -8

and he's right, without an understanding of where you come from, your morality is subjective and will change with a whim. I'm guilty of it as well, and its because this rot has occurred on a mass scale that we're even in the position we're in as a country today.

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Buff_cousin_Elroy 5 points ago +6 / -1

Nope. I know exactly where I come from. You know nothing of my morality lol. Because yours has self admittedly “changed on a whim” you think everyone else will too? You think you know what others think and will do? Haha speak only for yourself. You people are ridiculous.

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anon09 -4 points ago +2 / -6

and believe it or not, you're not that unique

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anon09 -5 points ago +2 / -7

I don't mean geographically

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Decanter -6 points ago +3 / -9

You don’t even understand what I said.

It’s a fact that if you’re not religious, your morality is subjective. Do you know what that means?

It means, you decide for yourself what’s right and wrong. So, you are much easier to influence than someone who knows what is objectively morally right and wrong.

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Buff_cousin_Elroy 9 points ago +10 / -1

You’re an idiot. That is not fact, a man’s beliefs and morals are not any stronger wether he is religious or not. You think that you have a better grasp of “right and wrong” and are morally above people that don’t believe in your religion, lol you pathetic weak man.

You are brainwashed into thinking you are better than non-believers. Why can’t people like you practice your religion without the massive superiority complex?

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Decanter -6 points ago +2 / -8

Calm down.

What is your source of moral right and wrong?

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anon09 -7 points ago +2 / -9

you seem to be confusing belief in God and patriotism

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Buff_cousin_Elroy 7 points ago +8 / -1

Lol, no you and the dipshit I was replying to has this confused. Essentially saying “I’m totally not a commie because I’m Christian, but since you’re not a Christian you don’t know right vs wrong and can be turned into a communist”

You guys logic is ridiculous

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anon09 -6 points ago +2 / -8

you brought up patriotism, and no, not at all what I said :D you argue like a woman

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TGNX 3 points ago +3 / -0

All morality is subjective, since it is created by a subject (something that acts/chooses), and not an object (something that does not act/choose) .

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Decanter -2 points ago +1 / -3

Incorrect. The Bible is an object, and is the same for everyone. Within it is God's moral code.

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loveshock 2 points ago +3 / -1

How do two people who read the Bible come away with two different answers to the same question?

Seems subjective me.

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Decanter 0 points ago +1 / -1

They're human. You'd admit their range of answers will be narrower than two atheists I assume? Also - that situation is precisely why the church exists. The Catholic Church was created to be the authority to help guide you on your journey.

Hopefully you can see and understand how two people, seeking truth from the Bible and seeking guidance from trusted clergy members, can arrive at similar if not identical conclusions on social issues.

Two people coming to their own conclusions, in their own heads, with no common starting framework inevitably wind up much further apart on many more issues.

Which scenario is more conducive to a healthy society?

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TGNX 1 point ago +2 / -1

The bible was written by men. A committee of men, to be precise.

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Decanter 0 points ago +1 / -1

The Bible was written through man, not by man.

And if ‘by committee’ you mean ‘tens of thousands of documents written over more than a thousand years by different people all over the world’, then yes.

But that’s not what I’d call a committee, and is hardly precise.

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Fuck_the_Government 6 points ago +6 / -0

LoL @ this cope. Plenty of Christians who are socialists and communists.

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anon09 -4 points ago +3 / -7

history isn't a cope you moron :D

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anon09 -4 points ago +3 / -7

stay triggered

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Fuck_the_Government 5 points ago +5 / -0

Christian communism is a thing. So is Christian socialism.

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anon09 -4 points ago +2 / -6

lol k, I bet the wiki article is a fascinating read

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TGNX 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wrong. They have absolute faith in their form of government, to the point where they reject any other faith.

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MadTrad -6 points ago +6 / -12

Communisms foundational evil is that it is Godless. All atheists are part communist.

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AnastasiusFocht 10 points ago +10 / -0

This is part of the lie that creates division.

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MadTrad -3 points ago +4 / -7

Sometimes divisions are real, not created.

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Patriot_Lettuce 2 points ago +3 / -1

If you were born into a leftist family, you would've been one of the brainwashed sheep that hate on religious people.

It's not religion or atheism, it's the evil elites, former nobles and royals. They are and always have been the enemy.

Stop falling for the age old tactic of pitting us against each other over petty differences.

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fezg [S] 3 points ago +4 / -1

No one is pitting anyone against each other.

If you, being my friend, got offended because I told you that there's a broken bottle behind your rear tire and you were getting ready to back your car out of the spot, wouldn't that be silly? That's all I'm doing is pointing something out to you.

We're on the same side because we both support conservative principles and I'm not trying to alienate you at all. I'm simply pointing out that one of the biggest differences between leftists and us is that we, by and large, are a people of faith. This fact cannot be denied and was the major reason America became one of the biggest superpowers on the planet.

If you doubt what I'm saying, consider what Alexis de Tocqueville said about America when he came over from France to try to figure out what made America different than other countries. He concluded that, "America is great because America is good" noting that Americans were a moral people who at that time were largely church-going with strong Christian values. Christianity is written into many of our state constitutions, many of our hospitals and universities were founded by Christians and faith in God is written into our U.S. Constitution, a document that protects everyone's freedoms, whether you're Christian or not.

All I'm saying is, Christianity is the fabric of what protects everyone's freedoms in this country. At least have a respect for that regardless of what you believe. History has shown us that when you remove Christianity, the vacuum created is statism and communism, which explicitly outlaws faith. This is why the communist Chinese outlaw churches and persecute and kill Christians. Same reason why in North Korea everyone is told that Kim Jong Un is God and the people actually believe that he can read everyone's thoughts. When you remove God, man inserts himself as God and that's when things go off the rails.

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MadTrad 0 points ago +3 / -3

Class warfare is both communist and globalist. Good Christian Monarchs served their people as Jesus commanded them to do. Separating the elite from their own people is what allows them to exploit and oppress their people. It's what allows them to prefer more servile foreigners. It's what allows them to elevate themselves to their own gods.

Atheism is the worship of self, and it is the dirtiest trick of the evil elites. Only through Jesus Christ can good rulers be elevated and bad rulers be held to account.

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Fuck_the_Government 2 points ago +2 / -0

Atheism is the worship of self, and it is the dirtiest trick of the evil elites.

LoL at the level of ignorance in this thread. Atheism is either denial of the existence of God/gods or lack of belief in the existence of God/gods. That's it. Stop spouting BS.

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Patriot_Lettuce 2 points ago +2 / -0

You clearly haven't read how violent and tyrannical most Christian monarchs were....

You also have a VERY bias, absurd, and detached-from-reality view of what atheists are like and what they actually believe.

Lot of us here are atheists, good people with good ethics and values. Yet some of you Christians would rather fight us than fight a pedophiliac satanic death cult that is trying to take over the entire world. On top of that, you fight us with a holier-than-thou-art attitude. The lack of self-awareness and awareness of reality is honestly startling.

Our founding fathers were deeply religious, but they believed and understood the importance of religious freedom, and not forcing their religious views onto others. They creating a nation where Christianity could prosper and live freely, as well as other religions, philosophies, and worldviews. I think this is a good thing(except for communism, that shit should be outlawed).

Remember that when you next start spouting off pro-theocratic government shit. The founding fathers would've scolded you for such an absurd idea.

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MadTrad 0 points ago +2 / -2

Yes some Christian monarchs were bad. They were humans after all. However, they were far less tyrannical and violent than their contemporaries and their non-Christian successors. Regardless, no theistic monarchs compare in scale, ruthlessness and disregard for their own people to the atheist communist regimes. As America moves toward atheism we see more violence, tyranny and oppression, not less. Not to mention the genocide of babies in utero.

You have been sold a narrative that doesn't comport with reality. It's good that you have broken away from some of globo-communist indoctrination. But the every atheist has to be confronted with the fact that the majority of the evil of globalism and communism derives from its rejection of God

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Patriot_Lettuce 2 points ago +2 / -0

However, they were far less tyrannical and violent than their contemporaries and their non-Christian successors.

Not fucking true at all. Actually Christian Monarchs used the church to oppress and execute any who they wanted. You really REALLY need to read up on history. Note how I am not saying that due to evil Christian monarchs does that discredit Christianity. (That's because I am sane, and fair, unlike all your presuppositions of me and atheism and Christianity for that matter.)

Holy shit dude, you make more presuppositions than anyone I've ever talked to.

You have been sold a narrative that doesn't comport with reality.

You have literally no knowledge as to who I am or what I was taught or how I was raised.

It's good that you have broken away from some of globo-communist indoctrination.

The fuck you talking about? You think you know me? Did I say I believed in that shit? The way you prime and frame things is just like the mainstream media. Fuck you, seriously.

You're genuinely ignorant as fuck. Think for yourself instead of regurgitating the horrible teachings you've been taught. I've had plenty of good discussions with non-ignorant Christians, so it's totally possible, but you sir are like WAY off in the deep end. Like WAY!

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Fuck_the_Government 2 points ago +2 / -0

As America moves toward atheism we see more violence, tyranny and oppression, not less. Not to mention the genocide of babies in utero.

Enough of the Christian idiocy.

Atheists are only a very small percentage of the US population. America is not moving toward atheism. All of the violence, tyranny, oppression and even abortion you see are not coming from atheists, it's coming from Christians like yourself!

Take a look in the mirror!

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live3ordye 18 points ago +22 / -4

If I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible what was the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: 'Men had forgotten God; that is why all this has happened.'

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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tellmywifehello 16 points ago +24 / -8

Does your religion stop working unless other people take it too?

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anon09 10 points ago +13 / -3

Truth isn't a religion. and yes, as you can see, when people stop taking in truth, everything goes to shit for everyone.

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TGNX 7 points ago +8 / -1

Your religion isn't truth, regardless of how much you believe in it. Otherwise Muslims would have just as much truth as you do, and some would have more.

Just because you believe something, doesn't mean it's real.

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anon09 -3 points ago +2 / -5

and you don't seem to get it, people form religions around the Truth, the Truth is not a religion

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TGNX 2 points ago +2 / -0

No, people form religions around their ideas of what is true. If it were based on what is actually true, there would only ever have been a single religion, not thousands.

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anon09 0 points ago +1 / -1

you mean their interpretation of Truth*, and thousands? let's focus on the 12 major ones. like the 12 tribes. they're all fairly similar. but you don't know much about any of them, do you?

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TGNX 1 point ago +2 / -1

There are thousands of denominations within Christianity. And who knows how many variant orders within Judaism. Your "12 tribes" rhetoric further divides them.

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anon09 0 points ago +1 / -1

you might want to learn what the 12 tribes are first before trying to lecture me on them

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MadTrad -2 points ago +1 / -3

Atheism is the worship of self. It is the antithesis of Truth. The false religions at least look for Truth in creation, but Atheism is inward looking.

What distinguishes Christianity as the One, True religion is that it looks to Divine Logic to find Truth. We Christians are imperfect and thus miss our mark, but we are properly oriented toward the source of Truth.

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Fuck_the_Government 2 points ago +2 / -0

LoL I bet you've never the read the bible or read it from cover to cover, like most Christians. Sometimes the best way for Christians to find out their religion is complete bullshit is to actually sit down and read their holy book.

I suggest you do the same.

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anon09 -4 points ago +2 / -6

cool story bro

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TGNX 0 points ago +1 / -1

Argument from incredulity.

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anon09 0 points ago +1 / -1

lol you're an ass. take care.

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TGNX -1 points ago +1 / -2

Those who speak the truth are often mocked and ridiculed by liars.

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anon09 0 points ago +1 / -1

k

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anon09 0 points ago +1 / -1

is that why you started pesturing me?

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anon09 -4 points ago +3 / -7

do you know what muslims believe? do you know what christians believe? what is the difference? otherwise, I don't know why you're talking about or trying to deboonk any of it.

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TGNX 2 points ago +2 / -0

Irrelevant distractions from the core point. Which means you know you're wrong but don't want to admit it.

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anon09 0 points ago +1 / -1

and what am I wrong about? you think Truth IS a religion? what are you even on about? go try to sound smart somewhere else, man.

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TGNX 2 points ago +2 / -0

No. Truth is not a religion, but people believe they have special access to truth because of their religion. That their personal religion has exclusive rights to truth, and thus only their beliefs are true.

This isn't sounding smart, this is called "being honest." Understandable that you wouldn't recognize it.

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anon09 0 points ago +1 / -1

weird, not at all what I believe, so you're wrong I guess :/

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anon09 0 points ago +1 / -1

being honest? you haven't said anything. lol. now please, piss off. you're annoying.

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anon09 0 points ago +1 / -1

ok don't bring up muslims next time lol wtf, you distracted

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TGNX -1 points ago +1 / -2

Don't get into a discussion you aren't equipped to have, then.

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anon09 0 points ago +1 / -1

you brought up muslims, so I engaged in discussion about it, then you tell me I'm distracting from the point. you are a moron. go away.

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fezg [S] -1 points ago +1 / -2

You missed his point. He’s throwing it out there that possibly, you don’t care to find out the truth for yourself, or you would have done some deep research of your own on Christianity, Islam etc.

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TGNX 2 points ago +2 / -0

Grew up Southern Baptist. Read the bible cover to cover. Went to bible camps all growing up. It amazes me that people who don't do these things think that others haven't, as well.

Islam means "submission." Currently, most Muslims (over 2/3rds, in fact) live in Indonesia. There is a prayer for every single activity humanly possible in Islam that Muslims are supposed to recite, including getting into a car. Slavery is OK in Islam, until the slave converts to Islam. Treating kaffir as slaves and extracting wealth from them is accepted. Lying about Islam and Muslims is fine if it furthers the faith.

That enough to get you started on your own research?

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BeefyBelisarius 6 points ago +7 / -1

Only the part that stabilizes society.

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Truinondupressure 4 points ago +6 / -2

They are sjw classic. Now that things are starting to go their way they show their true colors.

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tellmywifehello 2 points ago +3 / -1

I've also heard the time-share sales pitch from the bible thumpers my whole life. "If you aren't religious, what stops you from murdering, raping, and robbing?". Holee fuck, is the bible all that stops these fruit loop moonies from murdering, robbing, and raping? The day I really thought about it I stopped talking down religion. If they can't live by the golden rule without a bible, then fucking have those bibles, memorize away and cry about your original sin, because they'd be a fucking monster without it.

Side note-. original sin was shoved in our faces the way they try and sell white privilege now. What an excellent grooming tool for today's woke society.

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fezg [S] -2 points ago +1 / -3

Sales pitch? You know that whoever it was that shared the Gospel with you didn’t stand to gain anything for it, monetarily or otherwise right? In fact, they likely shared it with you knowing the backlash they’d get.

Same with the early Christians who gained nothing, zero from sharing the Gospel. They were killed for it, thrown to the lions. Now, why would someone do that?

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Fuck_the_Government 2 points ago +2 / -0

Same with the early Christians who gained nothing, zero from sharing the Gospel. They were killed for it, thrown to the lions. Now, why would someone do that?

So? Tonnes of people were martyred for bullshit throughout history. Doesn't make it true.

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fezg [S] -1 points ago +7 / -8

Real simple. Corrupt actions are the result of people who have no morals. Where does morality come from?

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KennethsFrequency 7 points ago +7 / -0

Morality comes from EXPERIENCE

In hopes of sparing future generations their sufferings, our ancestors enshrined ethics into memorization tales

Ethics is a Greek word for a "pen" for keeping animals, those animals "inside" the pen, the ethic..are useful , those outside are wild and prone to the inherent vices of risky behaviour

There is a direct correlation

In America this distinction is important

The founders genius was to divert power downwards into localities so as to avoid the " power corruots..." dillemna,..but in this system morality is key,..if every citizen is not upholding his duty and responsibilities of free men...we get what we have now,..a soft underbelly of a capitalist society where every participant is a mini tyrant taking as much as they can and leaving nothing in return

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fezg [S] -1 points ago +1 / -2

If morality comes from experience, how do you explain a young child who was never taught that murder is wrong to recoil at the idea of murder, or to implicitly know that it's wrong without being told?

The truth is, God's laws are written on our hearts, like the Bible says.

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TGNX 4 points ago +4 / -0

People's beliefs.

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LucretiaReflection 10 points ago +10 / -0

We need to be more concerned with fixing things instead of blaming. There are people still alive that are directly responsible through their criminal actions. Blaming old people for shit they didn't do isn't gonna fix anything.

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fezg [S] -2 points ago +2 / -4

How are you going to fix things if you don’t know what went wrong in the first place?

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RootinTootin 4 points ago +5 / -1

You said atheism cause this. That's wrong. Open your Bible: it is always the religious who first turn their back on God that brings on the suffering and death. The Church failed. Atheism didn't just come from nothing

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fezg [S] -1 points ago +1 / -2

Well, yea, obviously, believers, being human beings, are susceptible to sin and thus turning their back on God, which brings on suffering and death.

I agree, the rot starts with the church and then spreads. This is why the Bible says that judgment comes first on the house of God, then others.

The church has failed in many ways, but the mission of the church is righteous and the solution is to fix or revive the church, not to get rid of it.

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Balzenburg 10 points ago +11 / -1

Weak argument. Try again

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Yeti2 8 points ago +15 / -7

Correct. And, we as a church grew lukewarm too.

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CaptainHempbeard 7 points ago +14 / -7

I blame the "silent generation" and boomers for the destruction of this great nation.

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fezg [S] -1 points ago +1 / -2

Why just those generations?

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CaptainHempbeard 2 points ago +4 / -2

They bred the most apathy regarding politics.

They are the ones who taught us not to talk about "religion and politics."

They helped enable selling off their jobs overseas after making their pensions and retirements.

They continued the apathetic approach while raising their kids.

Now look at where we are.

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Mtnlion667 7 points ago +7 / -0

Whatever bro, do what makes you happy.

I've been agnostic for most of my life, tried church, read the bible, wasn't convinced.

I feed my elderly neighbors and maintain their property. I always offer help to stranded motorists and anyone else that needs help. I taught my daughter to be a good to others and keep herself strong physically and morally. I never once pushed my lack of belief on her or anyone else.

You trying to act like a belief system is required to be a good person is insulting. However, if that's how you feel I support your right to say it. Just wish you met more people that are good just because it's the right thing to do.

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fezg [S] -2 points ago +4 / -6

Hey, my dad is an atheist and he’s got a lot of good qualities, but at the end of the day, the reason he voted for Biden and doesn’t want to hear the truth about election fraud or covid is because he rejects God, who is the source of all truth. I say that because his heart is so full of hate that he can’t extricate himself from it to see clearly. A relationship with God would solve that because he would understand that hate and bitterness originate from unforgiveness which is a sin that separates us from God.

I’m sure you’re a great guy as well. All I’m saying is that if you say you’re a conservative and want the truth about the origins of covid, the global elites, election fraud etc. then it stands to reason that you would want to know the truth about everything, including Jesus Christ. If you haven’t gotten there yet, that’s fine. Keep searching. I think saying that you’re an atheist is laziness. I respect agnostics more than atheists because at least agnostics admit that they don’t know, but are willing to learn more and keep searching.

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Mtnlion667 5 points ago +5 / -0

Right on. Sorry to hear about your father.

Don't hate me, but I'm not a conservative (nor dem or libertarian). I'm a Trump supporting motherfucker though.

I'm all about personal responsibility and supporting my community. Because it's the right thing to do.

I'm really glad that religion gives so many people strength of character. Whatever it is that makes somebody a good person, I support.

My basic rule of life after all these years... Don't be a dick. And live it while you can.

Who knows, maybe one day God will come to me and show me the truth. Crazier shit has happened. But until then, I'm really content to live and let live and deal w the world as I experience it. Until someone fucks w my family or friends, then it's on.

I've been seeking truth for 30+ years now. Back when all the newspapers were saying the stealth fighter was a conspiracy theory (late 80s or so) and I could simply look up while visiting my father in NM over the summer and see the thing flying, I realized there was more than what we were being told. 9/11 and GW starts going on about the 1000 points of light and the new world order. Election fraud and covid are just the latest moves in a long game of fuckery. We are all in this together. Some players haven't learned the rules or the stakes, like your father and most of my family, but we have. We're on the same team bro. Just because you've got a Jesus jersey and I'm wearing one w a question mark doesn't mean we can't work together to beat these immoral and evil bastards trying to rule our world.

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fezg [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

Of course, bro. We need to work together to fight this evil.

I don't know if you listen to Alex Jones at all, but if you don't, you should. He really has been great at making the case for why what's happening is ultimately a spiritual battle between good and evil.

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Knowbody 6 points ago +6 / -0

This is divide and conquer shit. The enemy is communism.

To prove the point: Japan doesn't have much Christianity. But they don't have a communism problem.

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magnokor 2 points ago +3 / -1

there have been eight Christian Prime Ministers in Japan.

They do seem to think having a Christian in an important position is a good idea.

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fezg [S] 0 points ago +3 / -3

Communism is a system who’s state religion is atheism. First thing the commies did when they seized power in Russia was to kill all the Christians. That’s not by accident. Followers of Christ who subscribe to morals are a direct threat to the amoral. It’s as simple as that.

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Knowbody 4 points ago +4 / -0

The reason communism tends to be atheistic is because they want you to see the state as your god. And they don't want competition.
If people hold a belief in something being more powerful than the state, it undermines the state.

It's also why, for example, the CCP tends to even ban fictional books with magic. They don't want people to think there are things the state can't control.

If somebody is an atheist, it doesn't mean they're a communist.

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fezg [S] -1 points ago +1 / -2

No one is saying that if somebody is an atheist, that means they're a communist.

I know that there are some atheists out there who support conservative principles.

However, if you look at the people who are our enemies: liberals, the media, the elites, globalists, CCP etc. the vast majority of them are atheists who worship wokism. They would be a lot better off if they believed in universal morality, don't you think?

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Fuck_the_Government 2 points ago +2 / -0

However, if you look at the people who are our enemies: liberals, the media, the elites, globalists, CCP etc. the vast majority of them are atheists who worship wokism. They would be a lot better off if they believed in universal morality, don't you think?

No they aren't. Your worst enemies are other Christians. Most of the people pushing the woke BS are Christians.

It's not atheists, a tiny minority with ZERO political influence.

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mbman76 0 points ago +1 / -1

Communism would be a great system if the heart of man wasn’t corrupted. Selfishness, greed, lust for power, all that stuff makes it completely unobtainable. Early Christians had a form of communism but it didn’t workout due to second sentence.

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fezg [S] -2 points ago +3 / -5

Great point about twisted values and liberal causes done “in the name of helping.”

Just like how churches are embracing transgenderism and what not.

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codefender 4 points ago +4 / -0

Not all of them. The ones in the government in the 60s when they took God and Jesus out of the American school system and started teaching life is meaningless and you're a speck on a giant spinning ball in space rhetoric. Today is a byproduct of that generation disassembling what made America strong on a fundamental level.

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cherryred 4 points ago +4 / -0

Controversial: Christianity led to this mess equally, and isn't the true religion. God is mightier than any man-made religion, and morality is much more complex than some scriptures that are constantly taken out of context from a book that's been edited like crazy to fit the needs of all kinds of elites.

All the people arguing that the U.S. needs to be Christian to keep the world pure and safe are actual bootlickers who ignore history and reaaaaaally want to be morally superior and virtue signal even when they barely follow their own religion correctly.

I don't care how big Christianity is, or if it managed to spread universal truths padded in a bunch of dirt and fluff, the country was built for protection against the often morbidly stupid majority.

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onemoretimeagain22 4 points ago +4 / -0

communist whores caused the downfall

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tiamat 3 points ago +4 / -1

no, fuck off

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Canadian4Freedom 3 points ago +9 / -6

More cult brainwashing is what's needed...

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KaliyugaNavigator 3 points ago +4 / -1

The NWO is a secular, materialist (Luciferian) movement. Which is why most of their nobles are literal faggots.

However, the modern Christian religion is nothing more than a brick in their pyramid. Most of you don’t live by the teachings of Christ nor do you seek the spiritual tabernacle. You’re not pious - you worship money and material objects. You’re drunkards and sexually charged revelers. You indulge in the godless modern world and tolerate your sodomite rulers. You think loving peace, and caring for the Earth, fellow man, and the animals is for stupid hippies. I could go on. But worst of all you quantify all of it on the belief that Jesus died for your right to live like a pagan heathen.

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MrVegan 2 points ago +3 / -1

Pulled my kid out of public school and found what I thought was the no mask most based Christian school in town and all I get are these diversity and inclusion emails from the headmaster. Christianity has been hacked by narcissism virtue seekers. Atheists are who stand up to the cults

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fezg [S] -2 points ago +1 / -3

Christianity has been coopted by liberals, sadly. But, that's not the way it used to be, or the way it should be. There's no theological basis for it.

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seilgu 2 points ago +3 / -1

Fun Fact: Madalyn Murray O'Hair, the woman responsible for removing God and prayer from classrooms, was brutally murdered and decapitated by a fellow atheist. In addition to killing her, he also killed and decapitated her son and granddaughter, and robbed them of $500,000 in gold coins. 🤣😂

Here is the Forensic Files episode outlining the entire story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPrsitqV04g

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BidenIsAPedoFreak 2 points ago +3 / -1

Thanks for the tip. Here’s a funny excerpt from her Wikipedia page:

“In 1980, she publicly rejected her estranged son Bill, when he announced that he had converted to Christianity.[21]”

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Tenspot20 2 points ago +2 / -0

Diet Religion

Now with less calories

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GontMawr 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ye, I'm gonna need a fact check on that. I thought it was only the muzzies who thought 2000 year old writings to be apt in modern life at all.... But you do you.

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fezg [S] -1 points ago +1 / -2

You need a fact check on atheism causing catastrophes? Well, in the Bible, every time Israel departed from God, bad things happened, which created a cycle where the people would suffer, then return to God, then prosper, then depart from God again etc.

You can see this same cycle in action today in countries like the former Soviet Union, Cuba, basically any communist country where the state religion is atheism. The country is a shell of its former self.

Not all religions are created equal, my friend. Christianity has had more of an impact on the world than any other religion. Our timeline is based on the date Christ died for God's sake e.g. B.C. (before Christ), A.D. (anno domino meaning 'after Christ').

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GontMawr 3 points ago +3 / -0

I said a fact check not a fairy tale.

But again, you do you.

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fezg [S] -3 points ago +1 / -4

Keep ignoring facts.

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loveshock 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, no.

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CousinLennyrd 2 points ago +2 / -0

Who is John Galt?

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SoldierofKek 2 points ago +2 / -0

No it didn't you're a fucking moron

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BoughtByBloomberg2 2 points ago +2 / -0

The biggest Christian charity and many churches went full woke. The buggest driving factor on the southern border are christ cucks running "refugee charities" the Lutherans are literally funding migrant busses.

Here's the real news. Your church is fucking soft and got exploited through it.

Go spit shine some black man's shoes like a good Christian to repent for your sins like Chick-fil-a told you.

I'll be here holding the line distracted by no god but my love of country.

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fezg [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

I'm in full agreement with what you said about the modern church. It's disgusting and has been coopted completely. That's the main problem. You hit the nail on the head. The church has fallen away from the teachings of Jesus.

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HuggableBear 2 points ago +2 / -0

I believe I'd tell them it all started with women's suffrage and men who were too weak to deny the pussy pass.

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Semmelweis 2 points ago +2 / -0

I believe good ol fashioned human greed is the root.

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ripley88 1 point ago +2 / -1

The real problem is, if you don't believe in God that hole will inevitably be filled with something else. Unless it is something bigger than yourself, it will be something frivolous and make you a fickle, weak person wìth no principles.

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OfficerNasty 1 point ago +2 / -1

It's the result when society has no standards.

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13ISHOP80 1 point ago +2 / -1

Well..let's just pray about it.

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fezg [S] 0 points ago +2 / -2

Agreed. "Everything except Christ caused this." 100%

Yup, the comments under this post confirmed for me why America is in such dire straights. The people who purportedly support conservatism don't even realize where conservative ideas come from. Hopefully, we can change that.

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MasterVader2U 1 point ago +2 / -1

Yes. Now it's the atheists. Keep making enemies, and splitting lines, asshole.

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fezg [S] -1 points ago +1 / -2

Well, what is the source of the problem in your view?

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TedTheAtheist 1 point ago +1 / -0

Haha! Everyone is born an atheist! haha this has to be a joke.

More and more people are becoming/remaining atheists! Religion is DYING! Yay!

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NADSAQ 1 point ago +2 / -1

is this thread just bait to get someone to say it’s not me, it’s jew

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fezg [S] -1 points ago +1 / -2

You really shouldn't call people online who you don't know dumb mfers. I promise you that if you were face to face with me, you wouldn't talk to me like that. Don't write checks your body can't cash.

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basedboston 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yep. I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND this film https://enemieswithinthechurch.com/

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you-know-im-right 0 points ago +1 / -1

You’re right

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OwlHoller 0 points ago +2 / -2

Atheist ITT about to seethe.

They are allowed to hate religion or the Bible but can’t stand it when others actually love it.

Imagine that.

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cherryred 3 points ago +3 / -0

"lolzzzzz ITT Atheists are allowed to hate religion! Who said anything about that! But it's soooo funny that they can't stand people who are simply kind hearted christians uwu."

Title of thread: Atheists caused the whole problem.

Hmmmmm.

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MillionDollarDon2020 0 points ago +1 / -1

This is true.

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LoobintheToobin 0 points ago +1 / -1

“Then my anger will blaze forth against them. I will abandon them, hiding my face from them, and they will be devoured. Terrible trouble will come down on them, and on that day they will say, ‘These disasters have come down on us because God is no longer among us!’” ‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:17‬ ‭NLT‬‬

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mshecubis -1 points ago +1 / -2

Atheism causes nihilism. Nihilism causes the collapse of civilization.

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Fuck_the_Government 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yet America is majority Christian and on the verge of collapse...

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fezg [S] -2 points ago +1 / -3

Boy, trying to get atheists to see the obvious is harder than trying to get a liberal to admit that there was voter fraud in the 2020 election.

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Kinkinnatus -3 points ago +1 / -4

Most of the people claiming to be atheists truly worship the state more than any other faithful worship their gods.

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magnokor -4 points ago +4 / -8

The atheists don't understand, or want to know, what happens when Christianity is removed.

It isn't some magic happy fantasy world that is created.

It is a vacuum.

The islamists, hindu nationalists, communists, globalists, they pour into the vacuum.

They take control.

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fezg [S] -2 points ago +2 / -4

Exactly. You got it.

If we as a movement seeking change don’t understand this simple point, then there’s no way we will fix this country.

People need to understand that Christianity is the literal fabric of this country that grants us our freedoms like freedom of speech, freedom of religion etc,

Yes, without Christianity, there is no freedom of religion or freedom of speech. I hope people understand that and are seeing that.