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posted ago by RedHawk44 ago by RedHawk44 +2505 / -2
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malkontent2024 119 points ago +121 / -2

Social Security is a ponzi scheme. That is all.

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WinstonSmith1984 70 points ago +71 / -1

Exactly. It really IS Federal money. Social Security is not an investment, or an annuity. It is literally giving money to the government so we can beg for the leavings later

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Ballind 21 points ago +22 / -1

You two aren't saying the same thing. Up until very recently, 100% of people receiving social security took more than they paid, even accounting for tvm. The only scenario you lose (right now, obviously it's going to bk) is two earners in a household who are close to the income cap, both working long careers, who would've otherwise saved and invested the money taken from their paycheck.

The problem is the exact opposite of what you're saying. The govt is giving away way too much of contributors' money to people who have been paying on and average or low income, or who have had short careers. Most people aren't getting "the leavings," they're using the govt to steal from the rest of us.

We'll see how this comment goes over during the work day though lol

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WinstonSmith1984 24 points ago +25 / -1

I see your point about pre-retirement age SS collection. However, a couple points:

  • ...100% of people receiving social security took more than they paid, even accounting for tvm.

This is simply untrue. Anybody who died before collecting what they had put in (in many cases before ever collecting anything!) was robbed of that money to give to other people. Their heirs don't get any of it (although a spouse might get some if living long enough).

  • The only scenario you lose (right now, obviously it's going to bk) is two earners in a household who are close to the income cap, both working long careers, who would've otherwise saved and invested the money taken from their paycheck.

ANYBODY could have invested and saved the money the Feds stole for SS. Whether it's $5 or $15000 a year, it's still money better used by the people that earned it.

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tom_machine 19 points ago +19 / -0

And the fact that the capital is deployed as a magical renewable lending bucket for the federal government during that time and not into actual businesses doing actual useful things, is the reason it doesn't grow as it could if invested by the people earning it. It's worse than a ponzi scheme. It's just outright stupid.

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WinstonSmith1984 6 points ago +6 / -0

agreed

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ArtLife 4 points ago +4 / -0

It does many bad things. for starters: pays people who did not pay into it, discourages people from making useful financial habits for their later years, and deprives people of money they themselves should be investing and saving. This was all by design.

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Ballind 3 points ago +3 / -0

You're right about the early death part, I should've been more precise in my wording. At retirement, 100% of people will take more than they paid...tvm.. Interest... Etc... Assuming they live an average lifespan.

Early deaths are stolen.

Regardless, our conclusion is the same. It needs to be ended.

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splink 5 points ago +5 / -0

Agreed. First thing I thought of was my dad who died after collecting only two of his allotted retirement payments. The rest of that money? Gone into the ether, certainly not a penny to be seen by any of his heirs.

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WinstonSmith1984 0 points ago +0 / -0

Concur. It's interesting that the ponzi scheme worked for a couple generations due to the combination of the US being the only country with an intact economy from roughly '45 to '85, and live expectancies being significantly lower in the 40's and 50's.

One reason our healthcare IS so expensive now is because there is so much more of it (although the benefits of some, especially at end-of-life) are debatable.

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S8-10 2 points ago +2 / -0

The main reason healthcare costs so much is insurance companies paying obscene amounts. If doctors had to charge what regular people can afford or go without customers prices would be much lower for everything

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WinstonSmith1984 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're right as far as it goes, but it starts with the government working with the insurance companies.

Medicare and Medicaid set rates, and discounts. The insurance companies also set rates, and discounts for approved and/or in-network physicians (providers).

So the providers "charge" $1000 for somethign they expect to be paid between (representative, could be off a bit) $100 to $300 depending on who the payer is (insurance, whether medicare or regular).

A lot of physicians that are independent (so few left; that is another issue entirely, although I think related to how convoluted and complex the insurance has become) will negotiate with a customer if they don't have insurance. It might be months before they get paid from the insurance companies, so when they say "that's going to be $1000) it's always worth tossing out "I'll give you $200 today" and many will take it as a win.

Works for Dental too

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fskfsk 9 points ago +9 / -0

When you say "took more than they paid", that's assuming they were earning 0% interest. If, instead of paying social security taxes, they put an equivalent amount of money into a stock index fund, they would be much better off. Also remember to include both the employer and employee contribution in the "more than they paid" calculation.

If any private insurance company operated under the same accounting method as Social Security, it would be shut down for running a Ponzi scheme. It's "not a Ponzi scheme" due to a legal technicality, because it's really a tax with the government having no obligation of future payments.

In practice, the Social Security default will happen via inflation. The CPI understates true inflation. Instead of an actual benefit cut, there just will be huge inflation wiping out the value.

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Ballind 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your first sentence is incorrect and I already explained that in the comment you're responding to. "Tvm" stands for time value of money. Do some research on the subject and come back.

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fskfsk 4 points ago +4 / -0

The TVM interest rate used in those calculations assumes Treasury interest rates as the TVM discount factor. You can get a better return than that in the stock market (not guaranteed, but on average over almost every 30+ year period, equities outperform Treasuries by a lot).

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SuccessLoveJoy2U 2 points ago +2 / -0

Social security is the product sold to those that are hopeful for a comfortable retirement, but otherwise unwilling or unable to create their comfortable retirement using their own brain and choices.

Anytime someone sells you a product based upon hope that product will eventually fail.

No one else will ever solve a single problem for you and I without creating superior problems as a result of their “solution”.

The only people who truly deserve to comfortably retire are those who have taken the solution to the problem into their own hands. And not those who have handed over their problem for another to “solve” for them, as the average wagey-cagey does.

Hard truths are hard.

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SevenThunders 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not quite. If our government followed Norway's or Chile's retirement plan that invests in capital markets, we'd all retire as millionaires as they do in supposedly socialist Norway.

By taking our money and immediately spending it on useless government programs and graft, our government squanders Americans futures. We need a reset of government stooges. I suggest a vacation in gitmo for them.

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PaulieM91 1 point ago +1 / -0

TL;DR version; you can save just as much money by opting out of government programs, preventing the feds from skimming off the top...

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HuggableBear 13 points ago +13 / -0

So are Medicare and Medicaid.

For that matter, so is the entire government, so...

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Rerun1Central 8 points ago +8 / -0

worst 12% weekly investment I make is to SSN

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malkontent2024 8 points ago +9 / -1

Hey look at the bright side. If you live to be 400 years old you might get all of it back. Without interest.

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ADAM_SCHITT 1 point ago +1 / -0

Kek

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Zerofooo 6 points ago +7 / -1

Federal Social Security needs to be dissolved. There is no enumerated power granting Congress the authority to run a retirement plan for the country.

Take all the existing SS funds, send them back to the states (per citizen) and tell the states to either run a retirement plan for their citizens or not.

States already have retirement/pension systems for state workers. These systems should be opened to all taxpayers and administered ONLY at the state level.

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malkontent2024 7 points ago +8 / -1

You still dont get it. Get the government out of our lives. They are not your friends. They cant do shit. Freedom motherfucker, do you speak it.

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bluto36 2 points ago +2 / -0

this, and they crunched the numbers. they know they cant afford all the boomers. so increase the money and get rid of as many payouts as possible.

just a numbers game. hopefully all Gen X'ers realize they will not be getting Social Security when it is their time

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splink 5 points ago +5 / -0

Gen X has always known we won't get beans from the behemoth lumbering ahead of us. Not news to us if it all goes down the tubes.

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bluto36 3 points ago +3 / -0

this is true Gen X may be the only generation that understands Math

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NooneFor2024 2 points ago +2 / -0

GenXer here and I suck at math :(

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TehAgent 2 points ago +2 / -0

WE CAN HAS THE MATHS!

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Greenhills 56 points ago +58 / -2

The constitution should apply to healthcare workers too, no doubt. But in all honesty, if healthcare workers took a harder stand for America and prescribed therapeutics against CDC recommendations, didn’t cook the books on tests/case counts/deaths, refused to give the vaccines and send seniors to nursing homes to die, we wouldn’t be where we are right now. You were complicit in all this, in a major way.

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BadManOrange 24 points ago +24 / -0

Absolutely, but it doesn't just apply to doctors and nurses.

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IncredibleMrE1 9 points ago +9 / -0

Correct. Janitors, orderlies, security, IT, tech, the list goes on. Also, the military is already deploying thousands of its doctors and nurses to hospitals in multiple states because they fired all their Pureblood employees. This is only going to increase over time and will effectively result in a federalization by the military of the hospital system writ large.

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Kraken_V_Algorithm 7 points ago +7 / -0

How many doctors and nurses does the military really have to spare though? Seems like this is more propaganda. Not like military medical personnel are just sitting around waiting for a war to fix wounded. These people have day jobs at military hospitals, or are reservists with regular jobs at private hospitals. They are just being pulled from a job they are already doing to be deployed somewhere else.

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Powhattan 14 points ago +15 / -1

Listen dickhead. The constitution SHOULD NOT APPLY to healthcare workers. Why the fuck would it?

/s

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bluto36 7 points ago +8 / -1

they should really make some tiktoks about it

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SilverStarv5 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why would the Constitution apply to Americans?

/s

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FitOfficial 10 points ago +10 / -0

Agreed. The collateral damage for admins, IT workers, case managers, and insurance employees is the real shitty part.

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_-Th0r-_ 10 points ago +10 / -0

The biggest problem with American medical care is Medicare. They dictate so much for our hospitals. We’re kidding ourselves if we don’t think we have socialized medicine, because the government is the health care industry’s biggest paying customer.

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Corse46 1 point ago +1 / -0

The key is, it’s not just Medicare. It’s any federal money across many industries. You take the money, you are the government’s bitch. More broadly, anyone who takes anyones money becomes their bitch. That includes us borrowing money from banks.

I think this SCOTUS decision will lead to a much greater understanding of what it means to be addicted to government money or in debt to other people.

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n4freedom 6 points ago +7 / -1

Very true. A revolt of honesty in the medical community would have ended the scamdemic 18 months ago. They've brought it on themselves, though it's still outrageous.

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FitOfficial 45 points ago +45 / -0

Leave the field. Let it collapse.

Both my wife and I have lost our jobs; me due to advocating for ICD code division in April 2020 and her for refusing the vaccine.

There is life on the other side, and it's better. Open a private practice. Join a smaller company.

Do literally ANYTHING but continue to prop up these bloated, corrupt, government-funded hospitals.

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_-Th0r-_ 17 points ago +17 / -0

Private practice died bc a lot of private practice docs in the latter halves of their careers decided that hundreds of thousands of dollars out of their pockets just to comply with Obamacare wasn’t worth it.

So practice groups and hospitals bought them out, because Obamacare’s emphasis on bloating administrative work created a need for economies of scale/

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Consumerbot381732 2 points ago +2 / -0

By design, no doubt. Gotta consolidate power at every opportunity! Single payer would have been worse for sure, but Obamacare was still a giant win for the enemy.

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Dantalian 2 points ago +2 / -0

When Obamacare was passed, several analysts mentioned that it was designed to drive private doctors' practices out of business, and move the entire industry under the control of Fascist Big Govt / Big Business. What I didn't realize was that was Phase 1 of the Plandemic, because otherwise we would have been TREATING Covid instead of maximizing the death rate by waiting until hospitalization was required to do anything. I now suspect that hospitals are purposely killing patients, since 50% of hospitalized patients get the poison remdesivir, which killed 1/3 of those who got it in the clinical trials (for negligible, if any, benefit).

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texsnoop 2 points ago +2 / -0

What Th0r said, but also, the CMS rule applies to basically everyone that works in healthcare, private or not. The bullshit reason why is because even private practices that don't mandate the jab nor take medicare/medicaid need to be affiliated with a hospital for both their private insurance contracts as well as their liability insurance. So, the few based healthcare workers left are now completely fucked.

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Pederella 36 points ago +36 / -0

Exactly. It reaches farther than you think. Not just doctors/nurses. All medical related fields. Anyone with a job in a company or facility that takes M&M... office folk, janitors, cafeteria workers, vendors serving the location.

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Throwmeaway1235 21 points ago +21 / -0

The only silver lining that I can see is that it requires religious and medical exemptions be allowed which raises the likelihood that people who were unceremoniously fired or coerced into taking the shot by companies who refused accommodations have pretty strong grounds for lawsuits. Hopefully thousands of pissed off Americans will rain hell on these medical companies for the next decade.

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hoppy-kangaroos 3 points ago +3 / -0

That sounds a lot more appealing than quarantine camps for the unvaccinated.

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throwaway777 19 points ago +19 / -0

I don't think she's right, from what I read Healthcare workers that work at facilities that receives federal funds, can be forced to get the vaccine. If your a private health group, or private practice and you don't take federal grants and funds, there is no mandate.

Perhaps all these private hospital networks should stop taking funds from the people.

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FitOfficial 28 points ago +28 / -0

Bingo. It's time for government-funded healthcare to die.

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WinstonSmith1984 10 points ago +10 / -0

"It's time for government-funded healthcare to die."

That's over 100 million people. It's not going to happen smoothly

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DeadOverRed 10 points ago +10 / -0

I'm not so sure. If public healthcare begins to fail, people will stop using it, then they'll demand to stop funding it. Money will flood into a private system, and there should be plenty of it once we stop funding a hundred administrators for every doctor, and tranny surgeries.

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WinstonSmith1984 4 points ago +4 / -0

Many of the people that have become dependent on government largesse in healthcare are going to fight for it, or die. They don't and will never have the money to buy into a private system.

Public healthcare will inevitably fail, regardless. You are right about that.

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Ballind 5 points ago +5 / -0

100 million wards. I think it would go better than you'd expect

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AmericanJawa 2 points ago +2 / -0

But it will die one way or another.

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WinstonSmith1984 1 point ago +1 / -0

I sure hope so, eventually

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FitOfficial 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good.

Maybe when we conquer this mess the strife will guarantee that a few generations stay fervent enough to preserve what we have.

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WinstonSmith1984 2 points ago +2 / -0

It worked for the first 4 or 5 generations after 1776

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hoppy-kangaroos 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'll give them 2. By the 1830's the lessons had largely been forgotten. Jackson fought to keep us from selling our souls to central bankers, but it was the last hurrah.

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splink 2 points ago +2 / -0

It does leave me wondering about those who are honestly disabled. Are they going to be mandated to the jab as well to receive their support? There are scammers to be sure, but there are a lot of folks whose bodies really don't work right and they don't always have a network of relatives to fall back on.

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Dantalian 1 point ago +1 / -0

Health care in America had ALREADY died. Bill Whittle just had Covid & reports he got absolutely NOTHING to treat it, despite his doctor saying previously that he'd prescribe "the kitchen sink" - but nothing was available in the entire state. We need a parallel economy that includes health care, but they've grabbed total control of all medicines & have a law enforcement army that goes after anyone trying to save lives.

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_-Th0r-_ 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is correct. The thing is though, Medicare is a huge bully, and it is the industry’s #1 customer.

And if you stop taking Medicare, you can’t go back to it if your practice doesn’t pan out in 6 months. There is a waiting period.

Just because fuck anyone who wants off the government dole.

And even then if you refuse Medicare, most insurance companies set their reimbursement amounts based on Medicare.

It’s all just fucked.

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bangbus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Correct. This is how Trump was able to ban CRT at a lot of places. It’s pretty well accepted that the feds can condition receipt of federal funds on acceptance of other terms. It sucks, but I think Kav got it right. The OSHA one should have been 9-0 and this one should have been 9-0.

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JoeyBlowey 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can make that argument but it would have to come directly from regulatory agencies created by Congress specifically for the industry in question. That brings up the point of the court however that OSHA was created specifically to deal with workplace hazards and the methods to combat them. OSHA does not have the authority to dictate medical treatments for non-jkb related risk.

Using your logic, the contractor mandate is constitutional just because the government is placing the language in the PO. What authority does the GSA have to require a permanent medical treatment in a purchasing contract? What does that have to do with purchasing a fighter jet or lot of servers?

I think you'll find a similar outcome to the OSHA mandate when EO14042 hits the Supreme Court as well. The GSA has the authority to dictate prices, timelines, discrimination clauses, quantity, etc. not precautionary permanent medical intervention as riders to contracts.

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bangbus 1 point ago +1 / -0

You mention discrimination clauses. If the 8(a) crap that is blatantly discriminatory against whites and males is constitutional then discrimination against the unvaccinated is likely constitutional as well. I’m not saying I agree with it, it is shitty policy, but I think there’s a pretty strong case for it being legal. I understand your reasoned position on it though.

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texsnoop 1 point ago +1 / -0

The CMS rule applies to basically everyone that works in healthcare, private or not. The bullshit reason why is because even private practices that don't mandate the jab nor take medicare/medicaid need to be affiliated with a hospital for both their private insurance contracts as well as their liability insurance. So, the few based healthcare workers left are now completely fucked.

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Macynda 16 points ago +16 / -0

So next question. Will doctors stop taking Medicare patients?

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LauriThorne 11 points ago +11 / -0

Already have been. A lot of docs quit accepting Medicare and medicaid because it sucks.

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WinstonSmith1984 9 points ago +9 / -0

Exactly. This will be a result for some

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Chinese_spy2 2 points ago +2 / -0

I hope so! They make the worst patients.

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Shakakka99 15 points ago +15 / -0

THIS. You all were celebrating prematurely yesterday, saying "fuck the TikTok nurses." Well many people in the health industry are BASED, and they're sitting at home right now because they were fired for not taking a mandated experimental shot.

It doesn't matter what industry this happened to, or what subset of people it effects. It only matters that the SCOTUS ruled so heinously against the constitution, setting a precedent for more of the same bullshit in the not-so-distant future.

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noxousx 2 points ago +2 / -0

Reminds me of how everyone hated military all the sudden because of a group of shitty leaders.

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Moonlight -1 points ago +2 / -3

Many? I think most of them are shitty and in it for themselves. Let them get screwed over by their mentality that puts themselves on a pedestal.

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superglidemalibu 13 points ago +13 / -0

I totally get the post, it is by no measure a complete victory. The constitution is for EVERY American. I am, however, pretty stoked that 80 million + Americans can exercise their right to feed their families without the government stripping away their rights. SCOTUS, in particular, Kavanaugh, let those 10 million healthcare workers in the cold. Yes, the healthcare system has been fucking America for decades, and as a system, gets what they get, but the people in the trenches should not be required to give up their constitutional rights to remain unjabbed and employed. It's a win, that still stinks.

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DeadOverRed 3 points ago +4 / -1

You're looking at it wrong. They gave up no rights- they have the right to quit, and help tear down the broken system.

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Zerofooo 7 points ago +7 / -0

There is another view.

The federal government is using an unconstitutional agency (Medicare) to improperly influence what should be a state issue.

The constitution does not give Congress the authority to run an agency like Medicare. Using our own tax dollars to interfere in state's rights violates the separation of powers between the Federal Government and State Governments.

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DeadOverRed 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, sure, but we knew Medicare was unconstitutional when we started it. This is about destroying it.

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John_Smallberries 9 points ago +9 / -0

Drunk Brett was a massive, massive mistake.

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Ryan_ 2 points ago +2 / -0

I hope he really did rape Blasey Ford and contracted Super AIDS.

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Juzeza 8 points ago +8 / -0

Kabanaugh is a loser

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WinstonSmith1984 2 points ago +2 / -0

Did they not get a 5% raise last year? We don't really have "fixed" incomes here

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 7 points ago +7 / -0

That 'raise' is..

  • in the face of 7-9% inflation
  • only applicable to those who get Social Security (or other government-funded) payments
  • doesn't apply to 401ks, annuities, and other post-retirement forms of income.

I do agree that "fixed" income isn't the right description, but unless one is independently wealthy, the income is rather limited. Consider that the typical SSA recipient in his/her 70s receives maybe $1200/mo. 5% of that is $60, which was most likely swallowed by increased Medicare premiums.

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WinstonSmith1984 3 points ago +3 / -0

We concur

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tom_of_rj_fame 7 points ago +8 / -1

What if the shot worked 100% but had a 20% or heck 50% chance of sterilization - would it be ok then Roberts? What if it was 50% effective but had 5% fatality? What if it was negative efficacy and 1% chance of severe side effects? And this is why you little Potomac man-girls - is why you should not be making this decision. Congess and congress alone is the body to be making this call.

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splink 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'd say forget Congress as well and let it go to the states.

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Endis 5 points ago +5 / -0

Neither Congress nor the states need to be deciding whether people retain bodily autonomy.

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tonkabodhi 7 points ago +7 / -0

By using the very rationale that the court did to justify mandates for Medicare and Medicaid, which is to say because ‘they pay for it they have a right to dictate how it’s used’, then as the American public = taxpayers, who are actually paying for it, we have a right to dictate how it’s used ...ultimately.

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Consumerbot381732 2 points ago +2 / -0

The purse strings were also used to abuse states into adapting the federal minimum drinking age, via highway funds. They’ve been boiling the frog for a VERY long time.

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Pede 7 points ago +8 / -1

Healthcare workers are part of a medical system that forever has done everything they can to suppress alternative treatments to diseases and hold a monopoly on healthcare. Are they really shocked that the mainstream medical apparatus is corrupt and treating people this way, or is the problem only now that they're the ones who are being treated this way? I don't want them to get force vaxed more than anyone else, but they have some waking up to do.

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remindmelater 7 points ago +7 / -0

It's amazing that the supreme court did not even consider if the product they were making everyone take works as advertised. Even while they made this judgement people are being filmed falling down dead after receiving the death vax.....I mean...isn't OSHA supposed to protect your health....not destroy it....

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Chinese_spy2 3 points ago +3 / -0

Gorsuch and Thomas did speak on that point, if I recall correctly.

  • However, both are injected/"boosted", I believe.
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Redditcanblowme 7 points ago +7 / -0

Hospitals are no longer able to cite OSHA, they are now left with only CMS rules. CMS allows religious exemptions.

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TehAgent 6 points ago +6 / -0

The exemptions amount to punishment though. They have to wear masks and eye protection at all time, no matter what they do. No contact with patients? Doesnt matter - Halloween costume still required.

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JoeyBlowey 2 points ago +2 / -0

VS. perpetual unemployment, I think these people would be pretty happy with that anyway.

Do you really think these hospitals would not require those conditions now anyway?

My company (fed contractor) is still requiring ridiculous "job safety protocols" for those of us unvaccinated anyway. No in person meetings, no company travel, and 100% work from home (which is ironic as I've already been 100% remote).

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TehAgent 1 point ago +1 / -0

We're still doing a form of that. Some people wanted us all back in the office but we follow the CDC guidelines for better or worse. I still do a combination of work in person and work remote; a lot of my job is phone and computer based so I can do that.

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StadiumHopper 6 points ago +6 / -0

I don't even see how a single SCOTUS vote could be in favor of mandating an unlicensed EUA medical procedure on the workforce under any circumstance. This ruling is the most ludicrous since Obamacare was a tax and a complete stomping on individual human rights.

This is government saying you are not a sovereign. I should think Madison and Hamilton would be rolling over in their graves right now.

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KrellKrypto 6 points ago +11 / -5

Hot take.

Fuck seniors. They are the reason we are in the mess we are in.

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DeadOverRed 6 points ago +7 / -1

Yep. Fuck seniors, and fuck doctors.

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Riehlpissed 5 points ago +5 / -0

I get $1131 p/month after $150 p/ month deducted for Medicare. 40 hr job wage wise I avg $6.58 p/hr. I worked 35 yrs machine shops. 15 places in my resume, all closed. Mostly 60 to 68 hrs p/week mandatory. 10 yrs managing home care Drs offices. With the selling out of American jobs without SS I'd be homeless and probably dead. Just something to think about

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princessalala 1 point ago +1 / -0

thanks for adding your experience :)

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pingpongdingdong 5 points ago +5 / -0

Fucking FDR. putting retirees on govt money means govt controls them.

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Areyoukidding15 4 points ago +4 / -0

This isn’t over. The case is still making its way. Don’t lose hope.

Long story short, they can only make (good) decisions on the case that is right in front of them. There are others coming where you can have hope the mandates will die all across the board, section by economic section.

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VoltronGreen1981 4 points ago +5 / -1

If enough healthcare workers quit then the whole thing blows up in their face. They will have no choice but to hire back unvaccinated healthcare workers.

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splink 6 points ago +6 / -0

Nah, they'll probably just use it to justify trucking in more illegals to "help".

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tabularasa_556 1 point ago +1 / -0

That won't actually fix the problems that the hospitals have though because none of them can even speak English let alone find the right medicines to administer, perform surgical procedures, or operate the machinery. They might be able to serve as hospital janitors but they won't be able to replace anyone.

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AngelMark 4 points ago +4 / -0

Maybe if those same health care workers 1) didn’t go along w 2 years of helping kill thousands of people while their families weren’t allowed in to see them 2) if they weren’t twerking while every other illness in the country took a backseat to COVID 3) if every patient that came in from a car accident weren’t put down as died from Covid maybe I would have some sympathy but I don’t! The medical industrial complex needs to implode!

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LightBringerFlex 3 points ago +4 / -1

Just abolish gov.

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Therightisright 3 points ago +3 / -0

Reminder that social security and Medicare are socialist policies.

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BumpForTrump 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is about purging the government and Healthcare workers of right wingers.

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Dantalian 1 point ago +1 / -0

With "right wingers" being defined as anyone with a conscience or a brain.

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Do_the_Math 3 points ago +3 / -0

Time for health care workers to go on strike. Unfortunately, many lives would be lost from the lack of health care, but it is a necessary sacrifice to maintain personal freedom. We need the Boston Tea Party equivalent in the health care industry.

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Bigger_igloo 3 points ago +3 / -0

1 step forward, 2 steps back.

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jdog 3 points ago +3 / -0

To me this was keeping the foot in the door to mandate vaxxes or God knows what later.

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Cywar01 3 points ago +3 / -0

This extermination is the solution to the Social Security "problem."

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SALTYBALLS 3 points ago +3 / -0

Because the elderly don't contribute to society anymore. They dont work. They dont pay taxes. And they are a "drain" on the gubments bank account. It doesn't matter how hard you worked. Or how much they stole from you through taxation.

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JohnCocktoastin 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is not accurate, albeit the logic from the opinion would lead you down that road. This was a petition by the government to remove the stay. All of the bullshit they said there is not necessarily what would be found in an actual hearing on the case. It has been remanded to 2 respective circuits for further proceedings. The only really strange thing about the order that I can’t say I’ve ever seen: The stay is in place regardless of the lower court ruling. If they lose in the lower court, SCOTUS is still staying the decision pending a grant of certiorari.

None of what is in this order is binding precedent. It isn’t even precedent. About as useless as the paper its written on. But sadly, it resulted in the lifting of the stay.

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Karma 2 points ago +2 / -0

When hospitals and doctors accept Medicare patients and Medicaid patients there are strings attached. I've seen first hand several times when healthcare facilities and doctors planned to stop seeing these patients because the reimbursement was ridiculously low. When Medicare denies a payment they cannot bill the patient unless they knew in advance that the service was not covered and informed the patient. It's a money loser. So the industry stops accepting Medicare and Medicaid. That is the only way to cut the strings from the feds. The vaccine mandate for healthcare workers is now another string. This has nothing to do with individual private citizens collecting social security because CMS (Medicare) has zero control over social security.

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SuccessLoveJoy2U 2 points ago +2 / -0

Time to consider shorting the medical corporations and hospitals. It’s possible by the time 18 months have passed our medical industry is a hollowed shell of what it was 10 years ago. Even compared to now.

Any large enough industry that requires employees to vaccinate will, in time, be dealing with the consequences of that choice for years in the future with a sickened and gradually reducing and less effective work force. They will be competing with companies that are not dealing with those issues to the same extent and the result will be a loss of market share.

The two industries that I can think of that will be hurt most is medical and any white collar cubical setting corporations. It’s possible we are actually seeing the beginning of the death throws off a huge portion of western business.

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DMFT 2 points ago +2 / -0

So if you take Medicare, you have to get the vax?

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JoeyBlowey 2 points ago +2 / -0

No. Healthcare facilities that take medicare/aid payments must require vaccines for all employees or stop accepting medicare/aid.

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texsnoop 1 point ago +1 / -0

No. The CMS rule applies to basically everyone that works in healthcare, private or not. The bullshit reason why is because even private practices that don't mandate the jab nor take medicare/medicaid need to be affiliated with a hospital for both their private insurance contracts as well as their liability insurance. So, the few based healthcare workers left are now completely fucked.

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Huginn 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pedes here: "See? Told ya, doomers. SCOTUS shut it down." Me: "You think that ruling was a victory?"

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PonySoldier66 2 points ago +2 / -0

Maybe those healthcare workers should have stood by their oath. Maybe clean house and expose bullshit.

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Chubiber 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes I am mad, but I will take victories where I can

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slimcoat 2 points ago +2 / -0

Maybe we should just stop paying medicare/medicaid taxes.

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Global_Tornado 1 point ago +1 / -0

You have to not have an income to achieve that.

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SenorTrumper 0 points ago +1 / -1

You do that, poindexter. Good luck.

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DudeNoOne 2 points ago +2 / -0

The same way Highway funds are the work around to the tenth amendment.

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Foomer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dancing nurses are upset. Lol

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JoeVoter 2 points ago +2 / -0

Where do the court jesters think the funds for medicare/Medicaid come from??? They take money from the sovereign serfs and then use the distribution of those same funds as the rationale for compelling compliance with a medical experiment, overriding our sovereignty. Hell no.

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RedPillosopher1776 2 points ago +2 / -0

Refuse the clotshots, healthcare workers hold all the power here, they cannot replace you and your skills are valuable everywhere.

DO NOT GIVE IN.

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Global_Tornado 1 point ago +1 / -0

They can replace you.

With foreign crimigrants.

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HelloUncleDonny 2 points ago +2 / -0

I personally give two shits about the health workers....There all puppets who have to abide or lose there job and or license to practice....and they push families to pump there new born babies with dozens of vaccines the after there born....That evil as fuck.... and they're all being fed by a corrupt government and Big Pharm on what to say and what to do for decades. They should all just quit and become Ronin.

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concealedaces 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well if they make a dance on TikTok then complain about how "tired" they are it might change

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Ballind 1 point ago +2 / -1

What I'm getting from this is Medicare and Medicaid are clearly unconstitutional

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DeadOverRed 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's for health workers, not patients, right?

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MrStep 1 point ago +1 / -0

100%, the point was that the Federal government has no right to mandate this shit period, not that they can only mandate to when giving people back their own money.