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NormalCitizen 58 points ago +59 / -1

Doctors are hive mind.

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schiff_for_brains 19 points ago +19 / -0

Most just follow the flow chart being suggested by Epic or Cerner and their hospital.

I had a doc like that. Suffered for months with untreated Lyme because she didn’t understand the flaws in the test that could lead to false negatives. Even had a male doctor come in and tell me she’s right and I’m a sexist a-hole for challenging her. I challenged him to see if he was familiar with my file and after he admitted he only glanced at it I told him to leave his own exam room. Lol Once they finally gave up and ran the full test and diagnosed Lyme I started recovering within days. Tried to play it off like they figured it out themselves. Still took a a Really long time to make it back to 100% because of the delay.

Today I split my visits between an old ER doc (they’ve seen everything) and an old crusty doc that will call you fat and cuss at the computer for making stupid suggestions. I’m in way better care with them.

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PatriotPirate 2 points ago +2 / -0

idk much about lyme disease. pls drop links/references to essential knowledge while you have this topic in the spotlight.

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TighterGradeofTail 4 points ago +5 / -1

Doctors (specifically General Practitioners) are simply "first-line Tech-Support" for Human beings.

They're not usually experts in disease or virology.

They run a few checks, make their best guess, advise you to apply the specific "patch" or "update" and use a certain brand of "anti-virus software" based on a Google search of the problem. If these basic first steps do not solve the issue they escalate your case to a Hospital for "second-line support".

They're actually more akin to Pfizer's version of "Apple Geniuses" at this point.

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ScoonerTuna 2 points ago +2 / -0

I had a top immunologist in our state tell me I didn’t have Lyme disease. Mountain biked 3x a week great shape racing dirt bikes. Got the nastiest flu in the dead of summer I’ve ever had, couldn’t work but no bullseye. A reg doc treated me three weeks doxy with no initial Lyme test which throws off future testing. Symptoms came back w a vengeance. Joints were falling apart fatigue. 2 knee surgeries later. Went on a multi year journey that still plagues me. Went to this immunologist did a standard test. He said you don’t have Lyme disease. Ok we got into an argument on the phone total clown show. I sent my blood off to igenix and whallah. He goes that’s not an fda approved test. I go why because it’s covers more strains. He goes I’m sorry I cannot help you. Meanwhile my bloodwork was a mess. Spent 900 bucks to see a LLMD to prescribe doxy for months. Things got better. Doctors can be retarded I’ve worked w them my whole life. Not the best problem solvers. They use their formula and if it doesn’t work sorry can’t help you.

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chickeninoven 43 points ago +44 / -1

Also -- doctors go nowhere if they don't play the game. You can go in with the best intentions, but the system will chew you up and spit you out if you bring your pesky principles with you.

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NC_patriot 29 points ago +29 / -0

Kind of like politics.

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macocontentfarmer 1 point ago +1 / -0

standard of care

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Bogey 33 points ago +33 / -0

I've been using the mechanic analogy for a while. It's very apt. They get trained on what they're expected to do. Get a basic knowledge of the fundamentals at play... then read the GM bulletin on how to diagnose and repair vehicles.

Doctors and mechanics differ in that the seriousness of killing a car versus a person means more focus on the subject.

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SBOJ_JOBS 29 points ago +29 / -0

Doctors are trained, above all, to stay in their lane. To never stray from the "best practice" handed down to them from above. Or else they will lose their insurance and thus their practice

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Doug 8 points ago +9 / -1

It makes sense, they fool around and end up killing people or look like Dr. Frankenstein sewing body parts together to get new shit figured out. Not a good look either way. They don't want to be pioneers because that essentially means experimenting on humans... Well, turns out they are now running the biggest experiment ever conducted. Good job.

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HiddenDekuScrub 3 points ago +3 / -0

Sounds like the rest of the corporate world.

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M8kMdlErthGr8Again 6 points ago +6 / -0

Except for in today’s world, I’d likely take medical advice from my mechanic rather than from my doctor.

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LurkieLou 29 points ago +29 / -0

This is so accurate. I had a doctor say she couldn't understand why people weren't trusting her. Also said she didn't research herself but trusts the CDC wouldn't lie to us. She was honest I'll give her that.

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Prussian_Pepe 13 points ago +13 / -0

Big pharma has trained them to be their acolytes and salesmen for the past century. They don't know any better. All their orders come from Big Pharma, and very few have a mind to look outside the box. And the ones who do are punished, hence constantly bowing down to the corrupt powers that be.

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Drael 7 points ago +7 / -0

she didn't research herself

Even she doesn't trust her!

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CMDRConanAAnderson 20 points ago +21 / -1

How many doctors who go through medical school do you think want to keep studying and become better doctors? Hell no, half of em want to pay off their medical school and the other half likely want to open up a practice and rake in the cash so they can vacation. Only a very small number of these doctors want to become even better doctors or specialists, this doesn't include dropouts and those who have their license revoked. Apart from the cream of the crop, the rest are easily coerced, bribed and intimidated with money.

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680-EVIL 9 points ago +9 / -0

Training them to be obedient and kiss ass starts in med school.

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macocontentfarmer 2 points ago +2 / -0

75 hr of continuing medical education is required over the previous three years to maintain your license

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JoseyMontana 13 points ago +13 / -0

In the old English class system, doctors were in the same class as house servants: trusted, perhaps beloved, valuable, but understood to be utterly incapable of providing leadership.

At least that's what Downton Abbey taught me ;-)

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NormalCitizen 1 point ago +1 / -0

+1 Downton Abbey reference

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yudsfpbc 13 points ago +13 / -0

Mechanics, Mechanical Engineers, and Physicists are way closer to each other than people realize.

It either works or it doesn't, and all three will agree on what work and what doesn't. The Physicist could probably tell you a story about particles and forces. The ME could use a computer program to calculate where you can cut back on materials, but the mechanic will make it all work.

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overeducated_redneck 7 points ago +7 / -0

The physicist will derive the equations that the engineer will apply to make the design that the mechanic will have to explain to both of them won't work in the real world.

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arebee 2 points ago +2 / -0

2 will be overpaid. One is useful and underpaid

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progressives4Trump 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can confirm.

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toasty867 2 points ago +2 / -0

Great analogy!

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HumbleCheeseFarmer 11 points ago +12 / -1

I think this applies in any profession. Take software development. There are probably only 10-15% who are rock stars that can tackle anything, and then the rest only “learned to code” and are not able to create new ideas or troubleshoot difficult situations.

Apply it to mechanics. Majority are “parts replacers”, while the top tier can actually diagnose issues.

Teachers..? I am sure everyone remembers at least one teacher that “got it” compared to all the others they had too.

This fact doesn’t apply only in the medical field, but is something that holds true in general.

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2008RonPaul2012 7 points ago +8 / -1

Yes of course, that's the whole point. Doctors are presumed to be different than other professions, when in fact they're not.

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overeducated_redneck 5 points ago +5 / -0

They're different in the level of rote memorization they have to do just to be competent. That also makes them perfect targets for being replaced by computers.

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_-Th0r-_ 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah the post isn’t totally accurate.

Not all doctors are surgeons, and not all surgeons are brain, spine or eye surgeons dealing with super sensitive surgeries.

But the worst thing that has happened is Obamacare virtually destroyed private practice, and groups and hospital systems started laying docs off for taking time to really listen to and care for patients.

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Foletado 1 point ago +2 / -1

Among software developers I have worked with, almost all are able to design new solutions. I wouldn't say they all do it well, but it is a basic part of the job if you get beyond creating simple WWW sites. With part of it, you can recognize when to apply commonly used design patterns and structures, but that applies to any engineering field. With some exceptions, software development is a highly creative field, demanding original thinking.

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Grunge 6 points ago +7 / -1

Software development is full of people that just use the methods they were told to solve the problem at hand. It is pathetic how poor most are at solving problems that jave not been solved already.

I have to push my team to not just use an existing framework or solution and hack it to fit their needs.

Btw most of them are fucking retarded, and so are the doctors we work with.

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overeducated_redneck 1 point ago +2 / -1

Yeah, software engineers have far better critical thinking in general than MDs.

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arebee 1 point ago +1 / -0

All the farmers are encouraged to go to university

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Miha 9 points ago +9 / -0

Sounds like my wife’s colleagues too

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Ex-libtard 7 points ago +7 / -0

Basically

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Cantshadowbanthemall 6 points ago +7 / -1

Always select for Doctors who currently publish research, they are your best bet

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Skogin 5 points ago +5 / -0

Just because they publish, doesn’t make them honest… in some cases a particular publication record is a negative indicator.

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Cantshadowbanthemall 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nothing is an absolute, hence why I said best bet. Bets aren't guaranteed

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Skogin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yep. Nothing is certain.

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Kaboom22 0 points ago +1 / -1

Doctors that have time to do research have to divide that time between doing research and clinical time. Just doing research is not going to make you a better diagnostician, except in that very tiny slice of whatever you're researching.

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Cantshadowbanthemall 1 point ago +1 / -0

100% disagree. To do research, you have to be up to date. You have to read and understand other research bring done, what you can cite, what you can expand on, what you can present against.

Most doctors don't read current publications, they don't have to. Their continuing education requirements, I think they need to score a 60, and that's after 5 half days of attending CE lectures.

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Kaboom22 0 points ago +1 / -1

That's a load of crap. If you're going to be up to date on everything then you're going to be reading all day, and never seeing a patient.

There has to be balance, and reading journals is a complete and total chore most of the time. That's why we have text books and other sources that condense the most important details, and guidelines that can be rapidly reviewed because it is absolutely impossible to know everything.

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Cantshadowbanthemall 1 point ago +1 / -0

Up to date doesn't mean you read everything in say endocrine. You have a subject of expertise in endocrine and you are well read on those studies, reading methods and data of ones that are particularly interesting.

Not all studies are worth reading. Most aren't imo. Text books are just like Google, subject to curating. If you trust Google to tell you everything you should know, you probably voted for Xiden.

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TheSHazDroid 5 points ago +5 / -0

The entire medical profession is going to face retribution soon.

As the narrative falls apart bit by bit, when they get to the point that they knew there were effective treatments for COVID but instead threw people on ventilators and waited for them to die.

How many people died unnecessarily just to ramp up the fear factor?

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TheSHazDroid 2 points ago +2 / -0

Those "medical guidelines" did not include therapeutics that they knew were effective.

The medical community was complicit in all of this. Yes some doctors did speak out and were silenced, but not enough spoke out IMHO.

As for medical malpractice, I bet they didn't think that far ahead with the assurance that the secret would not come out.

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SnowflakeJuice 1 point ago +1 / -0

Strangely NYU and Ford Medical Center both had reports early on about the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, and the press completely buried it

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TheSHazDroid 1 point ago +1 / -0

It wasn't just the press burying it. Hospitals across the country ignored it and their protocol was....

  1. If patient struggles to breathe, put them on a ventilator
  2. Wait for patent to die.
  3. Make media announcement to jack the fear up
  4. Collect government $$$
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Karma_Bus_Route_20 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hospitals are exempt from liability for deaths due to bad COVID treatment.

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stagolee 5 points ago +5 / -0

Confirmed. Grew up in a medical family. The doctors weren’t the smartest ones in the family. They work hard. They put the time in and learn how to do the specific tasks that they do and that’s admirable, but do not ask them to figure out any problems they haven’t seen before. Unless they’re are doing research at a university, they absolutely are mechanics.

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Riderdie 4 points ago +4 / -0

I mean engineers are for the most part the same thing. Only a very few engineers are creating new technology while most are working as technicians, finding solutions and plans for projects that have been done before 1000 times.

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progressives4Trump 4 points ago +4 / -0

Graduating from engineering was quite disillusioning. I had to learn how to design structures from scratch only to get out into the industry and discover that everything was Lincoln logs

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Riderdie 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hahaha yep you get it. But with tears of experience you’ll get to the good stuff.

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Kaboom22 1 point ago +1 / -0

What people here are failing to understand is the absolute false equivalence here. The human body does not come with a service manual, and every one of those treatments that are described have been discovered over several centuries of learning, sometimes by trial and error and sometimes with directed research. Therefore, a doctor is studying the correct answers, or most correct as far as anyone has figured out, that have been accumulated over a very long time. So for most conditions, you don't just figure out your own thing because that hard work has already been done. Theres a damned good reason why guidelines exist, and this has nothing to do wtih the current COVID shitstorm.

Your doctor has to take an often vague set of complaints, and choose from a palette of literally thousands of possible causes, ranging from specific questions, specific physical examinations, specific tests and bedside measurements and arrive at a most likely diagnosis. But not only that, they have to keep an eye out for the rare and sinister problems, and be open to the possiblity of an unusual presentation of an unexpected problem.

So it's no wonder that heuristics and pattern matching is critical for figuring out problems. And your GP can go from a newborn patient in one 15 minute time slot, to a terminal geriatric patient in the next, and absolutely anything in between, and must know enough about every single specialty to determine what's serious and what's self-limiting.

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Kaboom22 1 point ago +1 / -0

No. But unless the concepts align well enough, they're useless and at best are only helpful in assisting understanding of a concept.

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Smurfection 4 points ago +4 / -0

Did Ben Shapiro write this, because "my wife is a doctor" certainly sounds like Ben Shapiro.

anyway next up: teachers.

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Dathurtz 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pretty similar. My ed training was geared toward how to teach the perfect student. Reality was a different.

The only really difficult part of teaching is figuring out what misunderstandings a kid has and devising a method to help them correct it.

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BoughtByBloomberg2 3 points ago +3 / -0

Can confirm. Mostly because patients want too much in too little time. You want an actual science based treatment? Let me get back to you in a month. Oh you want it in 15 minutes? Well the FDA says these pills should help you. Have a nice day!

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Zskills 3 points ago +5 / -2

Lots of truth in there but clearly half baked.

Doctor TV shows are not created to fool doctors into thinking they are adored. They are created because the masses think it's entertaining.

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Smurfection 8 points ago +8 / -0

You're both wrong. hahahaha! Doctors shows are created because they're a good backdrop for life and death story lines. Look, no one is going to create a story line around Subway workers because no one cares that much about a sandwich. Anything that deals with life and death is high drama and entertainment is largely about....drama.

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MakeAmericaVapeAgain 1 point ago +1 / -0

the shows are created to reinforce the viewing public’s impression that doctors are capable servants of the public. same with law, police, and other procedural shows. the entertainment aspect is there to keep viewers watching while they are being indoctrinated.

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Zskills 1 point ago +2 / -1

It's true that the IC has their tentacles in Hollywood, but I don't think to that extent. It's known that they review scripts, particularly blockbuster war/political movies, but they aren't telling studios that they should create shows like Scrubs. They make shows like Scrubs because people WATCH shows like scrubs. They make money.

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Grond999 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes, and nothing has changed for hundreds of years.

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680-EVIL 2 points ago +2 / -0

I am an MD and then went into basic research (immunology). Can confirm everything the guy says.

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Dev404 2 points ago +2 / -0

Been saying stuff like this for a long time. Most docs aren't geniuses or critical thinkers. They're good at regurgitating stuff without much thought. Some are brilliant and ethical, but that's a rare combination. In fact, just being ethical is proving to be a rare trait among them because money and status is the only language most of them understand.

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Gildoom 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yup. There is a reason pharmacists and doctors don't get along.

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ColonelKlink 2 points ago +2 / -0

Call them flow chart doctors and see the reaction they give.

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JimmyJam 2 points ago +2 / -0

i always say this when someone says "but they are a doctor" - ok, yes they might have more learned information to interpret the results of a study, but unless they are doing original research themselves, they are only relaying someone else's conclusions. Their entire profession is based on intellectual hierarchy, basically - trust those above you. Read the manual and do what we say. It goes even further, because the more you stray from the herd, the more liability you expose yourself to.

Sure, they have more personal exposure, so they can see patterns, but then again the people they see are self selected - it is why when doctors say "I work in a hospital and we are overrun with covid patients, it doesn't really hold much more water than a poison control hotline operator warning how her day is filled with bleach poisoning.

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Kaboom22 1 point ago +1 / -0

So if you don't do the original research yourself, then you're not able to be knowledgeable about a topic? Have you seen the size of the knowledge base and library of journals? No single human could reasonably read even the entire catalogue of one journal. This is illogical.

Explain how a GP or ED doctor gets to self-select a particular population of people (other than "sick people")?

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JimmyJam 2 points ago +2 / -0

i am not suggesting that they need to do research themselves - but while the data is still emerging and the science is not long settled it would be more appropriate for doctors to take a "we don't know" approach. The only people with any particular insight worth listening to during emerging and evolving discovery are the people doing the discovering. Science is not a democracy.

and if all they see are sick people - the conclusion that sick people are sick, is logical. But humans see trends based on what is in front of them. So the completely non scientific "my ER was filled the last two weeks" is just an emotional appeal and has no more basis in actual science, than the observations of ivermectin which they pan.

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Kaboom22 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fair enough.

And this Ivermectin thing pisses me off. If it's rubbish, then that needs to be proven objectively or at the least argued against robustly; I have not seen anything so far that even comes close. And it does not make one scrap of sense to outright ban it (Australia) and prevent primary care doctors from prescribing it lest they be brought before the board for "Please Explain".

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HighVoltage 2 points ago +2 / -0

Same here. Its the perfect analogy

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HazelHen 2 points ago +2 / -0

Let me preface by mentioning the wife is a medial doctor with a prior master’s degree in biology—I have a PhD in engineering—and the plandemic has forced both of us to come to the same realization.

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CommieCrats 1 point ago +1 / -0

They must be indoctrinated at their special commie schools the longest. Tibeten monks will show how to kick off mountain! HarOOOm!

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PonySoldier66 1 point ago +1 / -0

fucking horror story

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Greenhills 1 point ago +1 / -0

I will say this is a war and we’re finding out the doctors who really meant they wanted to help people and be heroes and the cowards who are so afraid to be investigated by the state medical boards and yelled at by brainwashed patients that they’d actually kill people to mitigate threats.

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HighVoltage 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fucking spot on!

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STIDGIT64 1 point ago +1 / -0

DRS practice medicine maybe someday they will actually learn it.

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Kaboom22 1 point ago +1 / -0

You are seeing shit doctors then.

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swifty123456 1 point ago +1 / -0

having studied aerospace engeneering

i compare it to mechanic vs designer engeneer!

sure mechanics can do shit i never dreamed off

but ask an mechanic how the steel of the engine block needs to be fabricated! does it need to be brittle ductile! should the steel be quenched? tempered! and they dont know shit

having studied aerospace engeneering, if i recall the lectures correctly i know all these answers, the how why en what! a mechanic does not

but i repsect the hell out of mechanics. hope to one day build a harley/motorcycle all from seperatly bought pars

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Schelsky 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is a general phenomenon of the modern age, where the complexity of the society (that we created!) exceeds our ability of understanding. But the Enlightenment gave us the promise that we actually can understand the world (that we are "mature"), a promise that could not be redeemed. In reality the society can be understood only by "division of insight" in analogy to the "division of labour". That's where topic centric message boards come into the game that make this crowd-sourcing of truth-finding possible.

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Recalcitrant_Texan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Grandfather is a doctor, my father is an engineer. I grew up hearing these words from both of them. I became an engineer.

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starboard 1 point ago +1 / -0

Exactly. GPs have become lazy and rather than look into a problem their patient has they pass the problem patient to a doctor specialist to solve.

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that_sound 1 point ago +1 / -0

What do you call the guy who graduated last in his class at the worst medical school in the country?

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HighVoltage 2 points ago +2 / -0

Doctor

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heeeeeemeyer 2 points ago +2 / -0

fauci

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BidensWetNurse 1 point ago +1 / -0

The same wankers who were banging pans and clapping whilst "massively overworked" nurses and doctors made TikToks are PRECISELY the same cunts who are cheering on the sacking of any RNHS worker who doesn't take the experimental "vaccine". Fuck I hate those sheep with every fibre of my being.

Anyways, yeah, your average GP is literally a referral service if they're good and can spot patterns or a dispensary if they're not very good. Hospital doctors tend to specialise and are somewhat better if you get referred to one, which is pretty hard. In my experience, they absolutely refuse to consider that you have an ailment if you're "too young" to have it. I nearly fucking died because of that shit and many young women die of cervical and breast cancer because GPs won't refer them. Socialised medicine is a statistics game.

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Damadhatter 1 point ago +1 / -0

My reaction to the first line was "benji? Is that you?"

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toasty867 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nailed it!

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Freedom_physician 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sad but true, lots of procedures in medicine are driven by profit. The cost of a stent is 1000 dollars. If you look at the trials, they have no benefit over pills (courage trial, ischemia trial) but they are still being inserted on patients left and right. Even when someone is having a legit heart attack the benefit of a stent is marginally better than clot busters, but you can’t question dogma. If a patient expects it, better I put it in and be the one to get that Benz paid off. Best thing you can do for yourself is keep a normal weight, eat healthy and exercise. Few people will need blood pressure pills and cholesterol pills. Diabetes is for the most part a disease of the glutton. Only type 1 diabetics should have to burden the yoke of insulin injections.

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Nopa 0 points ago +1 / -1

Doctors and dentists are so inept that despite their income they have to get a special loan officer when they get a loan due to how irresponsinle they are with money.

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idrago01 -1 points ago +1 / -2

methinks he has an inferiority complex due to his wife being a doctor

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HighVoltage 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not at all. He is spot on.

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2008RonPaul2012 2 points ago +4 / -2

Backstory please. I'm invested in whatever this story is.

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