Yeah, Islam is, but so are other mainstream religions and the less recognized modern religious belief systems, such as hedonistic nihilism, the worship of fake "science," communism, woketardianism, etc.
Here's an interesting point that I've noticed for many years now: Islam is currently in a state of conflict which Christianity was during the Inquisition about six hundred years ago. Also, Islam is about six hundreds years younger that Christianity. The big question is whether Islam will be in Christianity's current state another six hundreds years from now? It would be extremely interesting if there's a timeline pattern maintained here
No … Christianity took only a few decades to consolidate its theology and organization … way before Constantine
It’s been working out the kinks ever since
The dogma of Islam in itself allows for very little evolution … it’s holy book was written by god himself … there’s not a lot room there for changing stuff
Never forget that extreme Christians exist too, remember that idiot sect of American Baptists who banned dancing? America is a Christian nation, but also a nation of reason entwined within that.
It's similar just... to the more extreme. As a Christian, you're part of the "Church", which is the role of the 'Bride' of Christ.
The true difference is that Christianity sees forgiveness in all others outside them and teaches that one should endeavor to witness and 'save' them. By nature, it's a doomsday cult that believes the only way to save yourselves before the end of the world is to believe and thus, ascend.
In Islam, to spread their faith - it isn't to save anyone. It's to conquer. And they have no root of forgiveness for others outside, they're seen as infidels and thus are allowed to be lied to or killed. Conquest is the central pillar in spreading their belief system.
They do make special accommodations for Jews and Christians, though. They're supposed to respect Christians as lost brothers as the texts actually cite Christ and give a lot of respect to him.
But they make special hatred towards the Jews, calling them beneath human... mere monkeys. Not worthy of salvation.
What? You have a confusing theological mess in your hands man
Unlike progressives, Christianity is not up for personal interpretations
The church is the body of Christ and you belong to it … voluntarily
Forgiveness starts with the self
Christianity is unlike other religions because it actually believes in a glorious future … it looks forward.
Literally all other religions believe that the further you go away from the past the more heretical you become
Islam is a political system as much as it is a religion. It’s also a very detailed and dogmatic code of ethics.
Their vision is of a empire on earth same as heaven. Which is the opposite of the city of god Christian concept.
All empires of all religions in all civilizations make accommodations for minorities. Which include different legal status and taxes. There’s nothing special there.
It is dogma in Islam and for that matter in Judaism and Hinduism and Buddhism that there was a point in history in which man and god where in perfect communion … and is the duty of the members of these religions to follow a detailed ethics in order to RETURN to that glorious past.
Christianity has a beginning and an end … a genesis and a Armageddon… ergo … it is forward looking … you must improve yourself for the day of the judgement which is in the motherloving future …
No. Any similarity is the direct result of mohamad stealing aspects of Christianity when he made islam up. And you're wrong againg about the jews. They are not supposed to respect Christians as lost brothers. They are the sworn enemy of the one true Church.
Islam cannot and will not assimilate with any other culture. To them it is their way or no way. Period. If injected into another society, they will try to take over.
Lebanon is a prime example. Lebanon was a Christian country. They let in islamists. Within a decade they grew to control the entire country. In doing so, the crucified the Christian who fled to other countries.
Beware. Question as to who is coming into the US at the Southern Border.
Why yes my fun and semi lucid friend (I mean that literally, I like your posts) ragheadism doesn't make much sense.
Now, if you don't look at it as a religion but instead as a way to control people in primitive, nomadic and tribal cultures it makes a bunch more sense.
trump is way too pro muslim. he's the one who endorsed Oz isnt it? he has said a shitload of pro muslim shit over the years and some anti islam shit too.
I believe I've read about muslims rebuking extremists. Granted, I have not read the Quran. I don't know arabic and I dont know if there is context in interpreting/reading the quran like there is for the Bible. (New laws, old laws, what is a sin/how bad it is, seek salvation, etc). My examples would be saudi mass execution of extremists. Likely a control response, labeled as profligate by still living extremists. Versus securing the nation mindset. That dude who cut off the head of a woman and walked through the streets was scolded on twitter I think. Still, it is definitely a trend. I just dont have a good way to measure it because it's taboo to track ("weak and helpless") marginalized groups for negative behavior.
On this I say just because you hide shocking numbers out of fear, doesnt mean it will just magically go away.
Extremist do extreme things and are definetly not the rule
However the mean is that Muslims consider holy war legit, they don’t repudiate terrorism as immoral just counterproductive and they’re working toward a theocracy
Islam and Christianity are two branches off the same Abrahamic tree. They are two ways of worshipping the same god. Hardly "incompatible."
Read your history. Read about Calvinism, because it used to encompass "Christian American values." Calvinists would feel the same way about you as contemporary Muslim radicals do.
The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked. His wrath towards you burns like fire; He looks upon you as worthy of nothing else but to be cast into the fire. He is of purer eyes than to bear you in His sight; you are ten thousand times as abominable in His eyes as the most hateful, venomous serpent is in ours.
What form of government do we have in the United States?
The United States, under its Constitution, is a federal, represent- ative, democratic republic, an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. With the exception of town meetings, a form of pure democ- racy, we have at the local, state, and national levels a government which is: ‘‘federal’’ because power is shared among these three lev- els; ‘‘democratic’’ because the people govern themselves and have the means to control the government; and ‘‘republic’’ because the people choose elected delegates by free and secret ballot.
I’m afraid that democracy and corruption are just parts of the same animal
You can’t have one without the other one
Democratically elected leaders will always be panderer ugly actors with a coalition of self interested voting blocks looking for government granted privileges and someone like that will always win
The electoral college system and the old fashion senate undemocratic way of election was the safeguards
They never assimilate to any culture other than their own. The ruin Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the UK, the US, Canada, the list goes on. They don't know how to or at the very least, don't care to. They don't deserve to enjoy the fruits of our labor to build this great country if they're going to keep prodding to turn it into their own eastern shit holes.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
You know, we read the Torah AND the Talmud to keep up on your kind. Why are you so lazy and not read the Bible: New Testament?
They just forbade the institution of state religion
A medieval standard that was repudiated during the age of empires
Medieval times kingdoms had no official church, however after the reformation and the creation of the empires … each one came up with its own state church … some of which survive to this day … Church of England, Finland Denmark and Sweden … they all get money from the government and their pastors and bishops are selected by a government bureau.
The US simply returned to the medieval standard.
But for most of this country’s history prayer, Christian morals and invocation of the Christian god where regular parts of civic life.
Your marxist college professors lied to you about that one too … sorry
Again with the deist lie … no that’s a lie … another stupid story your college professor told you.
The founding fathers belong to churches and prayed to God.
They expressed doubts and tribulations regarding their faith … but dude … that’s everyone.
Im not sure what about Calvinism was so offensive but I’m sure it has to do with communism … because I’m almost certain you read it in a commie indoctrination book.
I dont want to block you why the profanity. You want to debate this I am happy to. I know a bit about history not so much about the muslim religion but the USA was founded on peacefully co-exist of multiple religions without a problem.
You look at all the social justice nonsense don't you realize that religious types of any cloth are an antidote to that. I am not the one that is crying you are. Please try to be civil or just realize being an internet tough guy is silly.
If you wanted a discussion then state it … don’t just attack
America was founded on Christian principles and the peaceful coexistence of Christian sects
Not every religion share the values of free will, individual rights, dignity of every man, equality under the law … and many more
Not every religion shares your values of family, tolerance, peace and prosperity
Your college education has conditioned you to think that those values are natural … well they’re not … they were very painfully crafted by your catholic medieval European ancestors at a huge cost in time and blood …
Absolutely, papism is incompatible with common law. So is islamism. Ecclesiatic law is incompatible with common law. So is Sharia.
The catholics didn't try imposing social gospel and and temperance until after they achieved critical mass and were defended by white night traitors. The Muslims are doing the same, as they've done in literally every other country they've flooded.
The fact that you can be aware of the historical cultural incompatibility of other Christians and not see the coming problem with Muslims is just bizarre.
Yeah Catholics are more similar to us than Muslims. They don't get much credit for not rioting and not listening to a foreign leader for guidance, though.
Temperance came about from social gospel, which is certainly not part of the calvinist tradition. And it was pushed as a solution to all these drunken catholic immigrants beating their families instead of working.
You're not above admitting the mistakes of letting social gospel fester, but you're beneath learning something from it. And who's the fucking communist out here trying to level what makes everyone different and make a more perfect citizen? Enough of my ancestors have died to determine what exactly makes someone a good American.
If you want to bring a snake into your house don’t act all surprised when it bites you
As for state policy … I’m not for any racial purity or religious test to become an American … however a senator with allegiances to a foreign Islamic nation that clearly doesn’t share your values … regardless of their genesis … it ain’t a good idea.
In order for friendship between to distinct nations and religions … there must be Distinction, Borders … between them.
Joe Rogan interview with Maajid Nawaz was really good. Give it a listen.
We can co-exist we have to figure it out. Religions are institutions that are controlled by man and all capable of harm.
Just try to think of this site as a whole stating really hard core stuff makes us into Voat and then the site goes down the drain.
You have no free will in Christianity either, but ignorance is bliss. That's the reason why Islam produces more radicals than Christianity does - they actually read their texts front to back repeatedly in true indoctrination fashion, most Christians don't. Most Christians are 'Luke warm' and beyond that, many practicing Christians focus on only the positive texts that are relevant for today's world, and ignore the texts that really were meant for a world 2000 years ago.
This is why I respect Christians more - they're are far more tolerant and lax. If they practiced Christianity like Muslims practices Islam, things would be a bit more... tense...
Calm down. Islam had problems with radicalization. You know what else had problems with radicalization? Literally every other group including Christians. You know one good way to radicalize people? Lump them in with an entire group of other radicalized people and tell them there is no proper place for them in society. Make them feel as if the only way they can fit in is with the group of crazy people. That's how you get radical anything. Perhaps just isolate certain qualities of oz that you don't like and don't think are appropriate values for the position. Putting all Muslims together is just plain insane.
We stopped burning the witches, now our world is filled with witches.
We stopped crusading, our lands are filled with invaders.
We stopped crushing degeneracy, our children are mutilated by homosexual cults.
Christian here, though I hate the term cause it assumes a lot of crap that isn't true. In fact I always distance myself from them because I'm often disgusted with them.
But I agree to an extent.
Here's what I hate about modern "Christianity":
It's largely been turned into a do nothing, just let everyone else fuck you in the ass way of life / "religion", and judging by your comment, I think you agree. I know a pastor personally who preaches shit that equates to this, and have seen HUNDREDS more just like him. He says you can murder, rape, steal, and do all kinds of evil shit which the Bible literally forbids in both the new and old testament, BUT IF YOU JUST SAY THE MAGIC WORDS!!!1!1evelen!1!!! Then you're going to heaven...
This kind of bullshit logic is used to justify anything, and is largely why we are at this point in the USA / world: lax reactions to overt evil. Government robs you via inflation, taxation, forces your kids to die in a war even though the 13th amendment forbids involuntary servitude?? "Well my pastor said God says Romans 13, and he's in control"...... "No lady, you just don't stand up for fucking shit, and let people ruin your life under the guise of it being God's will. You deserve what you get."
Because of this, many so called "Christians" don't even act like it's real, and many refuse to even read the book. It's more like just a bunch of feel good hopium they hear from some hypocrite "pastor". The lack of critical thought and action is also so lacking in much of modern day "Christianity", that it has made it do things that should never be done. So with all this in mind, I have a lot in common with Islam, because the radical ones at least act like it's real, and live it day to day.
But here's where I have potential problems with what you say
For example, you mentioned witches. Many of them happen to be into herbs and esoteric stuff for natural health (kinesiology, acupressure, etc). So am I. And I've seen / heard from a lot of so called Christians, whom when confronted with a health problem that I know is easily fixable with some herbs and other natural things that doesn't hurt anyone, well they would sooner take the services of a modern medical system that is flooded with things God would never have you do. Such as the mRNA shot. Recently I spoke to a guy who had the doctors shove a knife up his ass to kelp fix a problem he had. I told him to give me 1 day, and I could give him significant results, and it would only get better ---- JUST 1 DAY ---- but he wouldn't even do that, and it's not like he was under pressure either. After the surgery, he regretted it.
EDIT: and if someone like me were to be burned for "practicing witchraft" because someone else didn't understand that your body has more to it than the eye can see (meridians, etc)... Then I'm am so not cool with that. Meridians are not demons. There are just forces you and I know very little about, but do exist, and produce very real effects.
If people want things to change: they need to start with changing themselves, not cry to some fucking idiots in the government. All this shit these past 2 years are so well deserved on the average person. I'm so glad it happened. It's been the best thing to ever happen, because it's finally got many people to pull their head out of their ass.
That’s not exactly what I meant by witches.
I have no problem with holistic medicine.
I am tired of weak loser Christians who apologize for their views.
I’m tired of the doctrine of infinite forgiveness and no repercussions.
I’m tired of church services filled with weakness and justification.
I’m tired of hearing soccer moms complaining about mild first world discomfort and bunching up with others that have never suffered to console themselves.
Sorry friend … but assimilation is not a academic government success story
People are not keyboards
You can’t just play them
Regardless of what you presumption dictates … some human beings are stubborn in their ways … and no amount of bribery or punishment will change that.
The essential lie of multiculturalism is that is extremely bigoted … it tries to impose the modern values on ancient cultures … essentially demeaning them
I believe you want to destroy the Islamic way of life … I don’t mind it … I just don’t share it.
Every religion in the world is incompatible with Christianity.
There is no second best.
This.
Yeah, Islam is, but so are other mainstream religions and the less recognized modern religious belief systems, such as hedonistic nihilism, the worship of fake "science," communism, woketardianism, etc.
All other religions are from hell, they lead people away from Jesus. There’s no compromises. No second best as you said
And I would far prefer to disagree with a catholic than to deal with jews/muslims/Hindus shitting all over my moral code.
The last conflict that maybe was between Protestants and Catholics is Northern Ireland … and even that is a stretch since it’s more about nationalism.
Other than that I don’t recall any inter group violence since.
Now let’s take a look at the joyous world of Shia and Chite relations … currently IsIs, alshabab in Kenya and Somalia are conducting genocide.
All religions are the same … right?
Here's an interesting point that I've noticed for many years now: Islam is currently in a state of conflict which Christianity was during the Inquisition about six hundred years ago. Also, Islam is about six hundreds years younger that Christianity. The big question is whether Islam will be in Christianity's current state another six hundreds years from now? It would be extremely interesting if there's a timeline pattern maintained here
No … Christianity took only a few decades to consolidate its theology and organization … way before Constantine
It’s been working out the kinks ever since
The dogma of Islam in itself allows for very little evolution … it’s holy book was written by god himself … there’s not a lot room there for changing stuff
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Never forget that extreme Christians exist too, remember that idiot sect of American Baptists who banned dancing? America is a Christian nation, but also a nation of reason entwined within that.
I'd count Globohomo and BLM religions below Islam.
Easy Spanish Inquisition. Appropriate username though.
Yeah, we have more than enough muslims in congress already
~100% more than enough.
I think you're focused on the wrong Abrahamic faith.
One of the biggest differences is the word "innocent".
Islam only sees people who are Muslim as innocent - everyone else is fair game.
In islam there is no such thing as a individual … you are what you are identified with
I am Borg! Prepare to be assimilated!
It's similar just... to the more extreme. As a Christian, you're part of the "Church", which is the role of the 'Bride' of Christ.
The true difference is that Christianity sees forgiveness in all others outside them and teaches that one should endeavor to witness and 'save' them. By nature, it's a doomsday cult that believes the only way to save yourselves before the end of the world is to believe and thus, ascend.
In Islam, to spread their faith - it isn't to save anyone. It's to conquer. And they have no root of forgiveness for others outside, they're seen as infidels and thus are allowed to be lied to or killed. Conquest is the central pillar in spreading their belief system.
They do make special accommodations for Jews and Christians, though. They're supposed to respect Christians as lost brothers as the texts actually cite Christ and give a lot of respect to him.
But they make special hatred towards the Jews, calling them beneath human... mere monkeys. Not worthy of salvation.
What? You have a confusing theological mess in your hands man
Unlike progressives, Christianity is not up for personal interpretations
The church is the body of Christ and you belong to it … voluntarily
Forgiveness starts with the self
Christianity is unlike other religions because it actually believes in a glorious future … it looks forward.
Literally all other religions believe that the further you go away from the past the more heretical you become
Islam is a political system as much as it is a religion. It’s also a very detailed and dogmatic code of ethics. Their vision is of a empire on earth same as heaven. Which is the opposite of the city of god Christian concept.
All empires of all religions in all civilizations make accommodations for minorities. Which include different legal status and taxes. There’s nothing special there.
Wrong!
It is dogma in Islam and for that matter in Judaism and Hinduism and Buddhism that there was a point in history in which man and god where in perfect communion … and is the duty of the members of these religions to follow a detailed ethics in order to RETURN to that glorious past.
Christianity has a beginning and an end … a genesis and a Armageddon… ergo … it is forward looking … you must improve yourself for the day of the judgement which is in the motherloving future …
Capisce!?
No. Any similarity is the direct result of mohamad stealing aspects of Christianity when he made islam up. And you're wrong againg about the jews. They are not supposed to respect Christians as lost brothers. They are the sworn enemy of the one true Church.
Unfortunately there is more than one type of Islamist and each group hates the other group.
(Same with Christians)
Islam is not a race.
Islam is not an ethnicity.
Islamophobia is a poorly named rational aversion to Islam.
You have the freedom to worship.
You do not have the freedom to subvert the Republic.
Taqqiya.
Islam is not a religion. It’s a system of governance.
Because it would taint my argument with the ink of irrationality
But your argument reaffirms that “Islam is a race” to the ignorant. We all know it is not a race
But it can also be a instinctual reaction
The nuance is lost in a lot of people
Personally I think neither is morally reproachable but that’s just me
Islam cannot and will not assimilate with any other culture. To them it is their way or no way. Period. If injected into another society, they will try to take over.
Lebanon is a prime example. Lebanon was a Christian country. They let in islamists. Within a decade they grew to control the entire country. In doing so, the crucified the Christian who fled to other countries.
Beware. Question as to who is coming into the US at the Southern Border.
Islam is incompatible with anything but Islam.
The problem with the statement is the last sentence. We do not elect rulers, we elect representatives.
Otherwise, I agree. Islamic beliefs are incompatible with those he would represent, and he's shown that.
Mehmet probably disagrees with you
He can take it up with me directly, then. Got 35 acres and commercially-produced fertilizer is expensive, win-win.
Since when is a religion a race? OP?
Stop associating the two and we won't have to make these arguments at all
Don’t tell me what to do cocksucker
I’m not ordering you to suck cock … I’m just implying that you do because you’re acting like a man who does
Why yes my fun and semi lucid friend (I mean that literally, I like your posts) ragheadism doesn't make much sense.
Now, if you don't look at it as a religion but instead as a way to control people in primitive, nomadic and tribal cultures it makes a bunch more sense.
It’s just a return to paganism in a post christian world
Islam is not a race so saying it’s racist is inherently disingenuous
Islam is better then globalism. We got more in common with islam then we do democrats.
Yeah … how many Parisian concert goers have you executed, tortured, gutted, castrated and feed their testicles while rejoicing in their agony?
I don’t recall any democrat doing that.
how can u be racist against an idea?
trump is way too pro muslim. he's the one who endorsed Oz isnt it? he has said a shitload of pro muslim shit over the years and some anti islam shit too.
He is smart … we are not yet a Christian movement … we are still infected with the virus of good feelings …
how can you say Mehmet isnt good but the guy who endorsed him is okay
Because I’m not autistic
Christian values.
We are all Christians before we are Americans or whatever else.
I believe I've read about muslims rebuking extremists. Granted, I have not read the Quran. I don't know arabic and I dont know if there is context in interpreting/reading the quran like there is for the Bible. (New laws, old laws, what is a sin/how bad it is, seek salvation, etc). My examples would be saudi mass execution of extremists. Likely a control response, labeled as profligate by still living extremists. Versus securing the nation mindset. That dude who cut off the head of a woman and walked through the streets was scolded on twitter I think. Still, it is definitely a trend. I just dont have a good way to measure it because it's taboo to track ("weak and helpless") marginalized groups for negative behavior. On this I say just because you hide shocking numbers out of fear, doesnt mean it will just magically go away.
Extremist do extreme things and are definetly not the rule
However the mean is that Muslims consider holy war legit, they don’t repudiate terrorism as immoral just counterproductive and they’re working toward a theocracy
Also, pedophilia.
Islam and Christianity are two branches off the same Abrahamic tree. They are two ways of worshipping the same god. Hardly "incompatible."
Read your history. Read about Calvinism, because it used to encompass "Christian American values." Calvinists would feel the same way about you as contemporary Muslim radicals do.
--Jonathan Edwards, 1741
I’m not sure what your concept of Christianity is … but a unloving god it is not it
That’s like the basis of all of it … God is love is not just a feel good phrase … it is the seed of the whole thing
This is the truth.
Only for the straw man of Islam you construct a f then burn down.
"Islam" is not a monolith.
American Islamic Forum for Democracy
https://aifdemocracy.org/
Democracy is not American
We are a republic
Yawn. The US is a Democratic Republic.
Nope … this is why your values are incompatible with this great nation
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-108hdoc94/pdf/CDOC-108hdoc94.pdf
Democracy is what’s wrong with government
Demonrat voter fraud is what's wrong
I’m afraid that democracy and corruption are just parts of the same animal
You can’t have one without the other one
Democratically elected leaders will always be panderer ugly actors with a coalition of self interested voting blocks looking for government granted privileges and someone like that will always win
The electoral college system and the old fashion senate undemocratic way of election was the safeguards
What's his position on Hagia Sophia?
They never assimilate to any culture other than their own. The ruin Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the UK, the US, Canada, the list goes on. They don't know how to or at the very least, don't care to. They don't deserve to enjoy the fruits of our labor to build this great country if they're going to keep prodding to turn it into their own eastern shit holes.
Yeah I know … but people are less receptive to that
Reference? That's bunch of satanic bullshit. Which verse does he denounce Judaism?
John 8:44-45 King James Version
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
You know, we read the Torah AND the Talmud to keep up on your kind. Why are you so lazy and not read the Bible: New Testament?
He's talking with a specific audience, not denouncing Judaism... Basic text comprehension... Deport this satanic shill...
Mecca & Medina need a reboot of what we did to Japan.
Despite what idiots might proclaim, it is not possible to be 'racist' against a religion as religion and race are entirely separate things.
American values. The founding fathers separated the church from the state for a reason. The church sucks.
Well actually they didn’t …
They just forbade the institution of state religion
A medieval standard that was repudiated during the age of empires
Medieval times kingdoms had no official church, however after the reformation and the creation of the empires … each one came up with its own state church … some of which survive to this day … Church of England, Finland Denmark and Sweden … they all get money from the government and their pastors and bishops are selected by a government bureau.
The US simply returned to the medieval standard.
But for most of this country’s history prayer, Christian morals and invocation of the Christian god where regular parts of civic life.
Your marxist college professors lied to you about that one too … sorry
Again with the deist lie … no that’s a lie … another stupid story your college professor told you.
The founding fathers belong to churches and prayed to God.
They expressed doubts and tribulations regarding their faith … but dude … that’s everyone.
Im not sure what about Calvinism was so offensive but I’m sure it has to do with communism … because I’m almost certain you read it in a commie indoctrination book.
bUt mUh fAt-bUrNiNg sNaK3 oIL oN mUh tV!
Also, Islam is not a race. It's impossible to be racist for insulting Islam.
No kidding, beavis?
All Müslis must be exterminated!
Nice try special agent glowie
It is our sacred duty to remove islam from our lands.
Nah … just don’t feed it
Yall mother fuckers have clearly never read the Bible.
Ok … Hemingway
Come on this is just a bullshit comment that degrades this site.
Say whatever you want but its a stupid argument. Take a look again.
If you ain’t have an opinion … Then fuck off
And please block me … I don’t want my feed infected with your squeamishness
And no … your comment is not a criticism is a fucking attack so don’t start crying now
I dont want to block you why the profanity. You want to debate this I am happy to. I know a bit about history not so much about the muslim religion but the USA was founded on peacefully co-exist of multiple religions without a problem.
You look at all the social justice nonsense don't you realize that religious types of any cloth are an antidote to that. I am not the one that is crying you are. Please try to be civil or just realize being an internet tough guy is silly.
No … you’re wrong
If you wanted a discussion then state it … don’t just attack
America was founded on Christian principles and the peaceful coexistence of Christian sects
Not every religion share the values of free will, individual rights, dignity of every man, equality under the law … and many more
Not every religion shares your values of family, tolerance, peace and prosperity
Your college education has conditioned you to think that those values are natural … well they’re not … they were very painfully crafted by your catholic medieval European ancestors at a huge cost in time and blood …
Absolutely, papism is incompatible with common law. So is islamism. Ecclesiatic law is incompatible with common law. So is Sharia.
The catholics didn't try imposing social gospel and and temperance until after they achieved critical mass and were defended by white night traitors. The Muslims are doing the same, as they've done in literally every other country they've flooded.
The fact that you can be aware of the historical cultural incompatibility of other Christians and not see the coming problem with Muslims is just bizarre.
Temperance wasn’t a catholic popish conspiracy … it was a Christian inspired movement I grant you that.
I’m not above recognizing the mistakes the ventures into public policy made in the name of god … and prohibition is certainly one of them.
However I don’t recall any Christian or catholic terrorizing civilian populations when prohibition was repealed… perhaps you can enlighten me.
Or I don’t recall that time when the pope said it is the duty of all Catholics to ignore the authority of the federal government.
Sounds like your dreams of a great Christian conspiracy are more about your communist sympathies than reality
Yeah Catholics are more similar to us than Muslims. They don't get much credit for not rioting and not listening to a foreign leader for guidance, though.
Temperance came about from social gospel, which is certainly not part of the calvinist tradition. And it was pushed as a solution to all these drunken catholic immigrants beating their families instead of working.
You're not above admitting the mistakes of letting social gospel fester, but you're beneath learning something from it. And who's the fucking communist out here trying to level what makes everyone different and make a more perfect citizen? Enough of my ancestors have died to determine what exactly makes someone a good American.
I’m not imposing anything on you
If you want to bring a snake into your house don’t act all surprised when it bites you
As for state policy … I’m not for any racial purity or religious test to become an American … however a senator with allegiances to a foreign Islamic nation that clearly doesn’t share your values … regardless of their genesis … it ain’t a good idea.
In order for friendship between to distinct nations and religions … there must be Distinction, Borders … between them.
Joe Rogan interview with Maajid Nawaz was really good. Give it a listen. We can co-exist we have to figure it out. Religions are institutions that are controlled by man and all capable of harm.
Just try to think of this site as a whole stating really hard core stuff makes us into Voat and then the site goes down the drain.
No
I’m Afraid that reason has limitations
Thereligionofpeace.com
You have no free will in Christianity either, but ignorance is bliss. That's the reason why Islam produces more radicals than Christianity does - they actually read their texts front to back repeatedly in true indoctrination fashion, most Christians don't. Most Christians are 'Luke warm' and beyond that, many practicing Christians focus on only the positive texts that are relevant for today's world, and ignore the texts that really were meant for a world 2000 years ago.
This is why I respect Christians more - they're are far more tolerant and lax. If they practiced Christianity like Muslims practices Islam, things would be a bit more... tense...
The very concept of free will was invented in medieval catholic Europe
Most Christian’s don’t follow written codes of behavior because that’s what differentiates Christianity from the false religions
Zealotry is not built in … it repudiates it … is why Christianity gave birth to the modern world
Sects of perfectionists where consistently shunned and denounced as heretics
Your ignorance is bliss for sure
Calm down. Islam had problems with radicalization. You know what else had problems with radicalization? Literally every other group including Christians. You know one good way to radicalize people? Lump them in with an entire group of other radicalized people and tell them there is no proper place for them in society. Make them feel as if the only way they can fit in is with the group of crazy people. That's how you get radical anything. Perhaps just isolate certain qualities of oz that you don't like and don't think are appropriate values for the position. Putting all Muslims together is just plain insane.
Bring back radical Christianity.
We stopped burning the witches, now our world is filled with witches.
We stopped crusading, our lands are filled with invaders.
We stopped crushing degeneracy, our children are mutilated by homosexual cults.
Deus Vult.
Christian here, though I hate the term cause it assumes a lot of crap that isn't true. In fact I always distance myself from them because I'm often disgusted with them.
But I agree to an extent.
Here's what I hate about modern "Christianity":
This kind of bullshit logic is used to justify anything, and is largely why we are at this point in the USA / world: lax reactions to overt evil. Government robs you via inflation, taxation, forces your kids to die in a war even though the 13th amendment forbids involuntary servitude?? "Well my pastor said God says Romans 13, and he's in control"...... "No lady, you just don't stand up for fucking shit, and let people ruin your life under the guise of it being God's will. You deserve what you get."
Because of this, many so called "Christians" don't even act like it's real, and many refuse to even read the book. It's more like just a bunch of feel good hopium they hear from some hypocrite "pastor". The lack of critical thought and action is also so lacking in much of modern day "Christianity", that it has made it do things that should never be done. So with all this in mind, I have a lot in common with Islam, because the radical ones at least act like it's real, and live it day to day.
But here's where I have potential problems with what you say
For example, you mentioned witches. Many of them happen to be into herbs and esoteric stuff for natural health (kinesiology, acupressure, etc). So am I. And I've seen / heard from a lot of so called Christians, whom when confronted with a health problem that I know is easily fixable with some herbs and other natural things that doesn't hurt anyone, well they would sooner take the services of a modern medical system that is flooded with things God would never have you do. Such as the mRNA shot. Recently I spoke to a guy who had the doctors shove a knife up his ass to kelp fix a problem he had. I told him to give me 1 day, and I could give him significant results, and it would only get better ---- JUST 1 DAY ---- but he wouldn't even do that, and it's not like he was under pressure either. After the surgery, he regretted it.
EDIT: and if someone like me were to be burned for "practicing witchraft" because someone else didn't understand that your body has more to it than the eye can see (meridians, etc)... Then I'm am so not cool with that. Meridians are not demons. There are just forces you and I know very little about, but do exist, and produce very real effects.
If people want things to change: they need to start with changing themselves, not cry to some fucking idiots in the government. All this shit these past 2 years are so well deserved on the average person. I'm so glad it happened. It's been the best thing to ever happen, because it's finally got many people to pull their head out of their ass.
That’s not exactly what I meant by witches.
I have no problem with holistic medicine.
I am tired of weak loser Christians who apologize for their views.
I’m tired of the doctrine of infinite forgiveness and no repercussions.
I’m tired of church services filled with weakness and justification.
I’m tired of hearing soccer moms complaining about mild first world discomfort and bunching up with others that have never suffered to console themselves.
I would like some strength back in the faith.
Totally agree.
No
Read the Quran
Listen to the speeches of their leaders
Walk in a no-go zone
You are blind and you’ll pay with the future of your civilization
The feel good, kumbaya, let’s all get along … that was a Christian invention to unify Christendom … outsiders don’t share your values
And no amount of good feelings will change that … that’s why Islamic countries where celebrating 9/11
Lol
Sorry friend … but assimilation is not a academic government success story
People are not keyboards
You can’t just play them
Regardless of what you presumption dictates … some human beings are stubborn in their ways … and no amount of bribery or punishment will change that.
The essential lie of multiculturalism is that is extremely bigoted … it tries to impose the modern values on ancient cultures … essentially demeaning them
I believe you want to destroy the Islamic way of life … I don’t mind it … I just don’t share it.
Good feelings are great and all … but they won’t bring you paradise
You can’t hug this problem away