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StumpJumper52 3 points ago +3 / -0

The Catholic church has lost it's way quite a while back. It went woke....

PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 4 points ago +4 / -0

So long as the Magisterium sits unchanged and unchangeable, the Church hasn't "gone woke." When the deposit of faith is tossed to the winds and women start getting ordained/gay people married, then we can talk about the wokeness of the Church. As of now, that kind of thing is entirely limited to protestant spaces. The presence of people like James Martin actively agitating to overturn immutable truth is worrisome, certainly, but they haven't "crossed the Rubicon" as it were.

yeti1 2 points ago +2 / -0

I disagree, there are fallen people in the Church but it has actually not defected. If you can provide an example where the Church has defected in it’s actual teaching let me know. The only people who have even a remotely good argument are the hard core sedes - but I’ve gone down that rabbit hole and think there are fundamental errors there. This said, I personally follow the traditional liturgical practices.

Roadpower 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm not a Catholic or even religious for that matter but my POV has been ever since the current pope was installed that the Church visibly went over a cliff. So yes I do not agree with some practicing Catholics that things are not dire. They are in my view.

That said the Church should have cleaned up its act even before the current pope. It became a haven for people who should not be anywhere near such an institution. When that failure was not addressed it sort of cemented itself in a condition that is simply intolerable from any actually conservative or natural law view.

Further, you can not embrace modernity when modernity is itself a corruption.

Seventhson74 2 points ago +2 / -0

First, at this point I feel like my religion is also partly my culture. I cannot separate my family and my church, especially knowing how devout some in my family were and are. Next, the Roman Catholic Church is the church that brought my family from paganism into Christianity (probably yours too) likely 1800 to 1900 years ago. There is an unbroken chain from then till now in my family. I say this because I feel like the rules can change and the church can change but we do not and it's our kids that will change it. So I see these changes as reactions to things from a time before me and my parents. They move at a glacial pace. I remain unconcerned. There are things I wish my church would focus on, there are things I wish they would do. So in order for me to change them, I have to raise my kids with my beliefs and spread those beliefs IN the church, generation after generation.

BlueEyedDevil 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pope Francis is an Antipope. It's all going down just like the Book of Revelation and our Lady of Fatima said it would.

PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's true.

StJoan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Absolutely true.