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_Sully_ 24 points ago +24 / -0

Keep in mind Finland is not paying their bills for their energy use. They are refusing to pay in Rubles.

deplorabetty 10 points ago +10 / -0

Didn't Finland already tell them to f off? They only get 10% of their gas from Russia and are planning to get that from Sweden instead.

DrCowboyPresident 10 points ago +10 / -0

That's electricity.

deplorabetty 5 points ago +5 / -0

Really? My bad. Thanks for the info!

anatidaephobia 1 point ago +2 / -1

Either way, most Nordic countries use low amounts of natural gas, as electricity has historically always been cheaper. The use of gas has increased recently within the transport sector where "for the environment" many trucks and buses now runs on locally produced biogas, which of course always was a lie, because Russia natural gas is much cheaper. In theory tho, locally made biogas or even producer gas will be a fully functional replacement.

Cesare_Borgia 8 points ago +8 / -0

Finland is 100 percent reliant on Russian natural gas and there's no quickly available alternative.

imnotdeadyet 7 points ago +7 / -0

We have plenty in Texas if they let us pull it out of the ground!

Cesare_Borgia 3 points ago +3 / -0

True but it's really expensive and complicated to ship NG across the ocean. Even with the huge rise in natural gas prices here in the USA we're still only in the 8 buck per million BTU range. In Europe right now it's more like 30 to 40. Japan is around 17 bucks but that's only because they have longer existing contracts.

We do export as much gas as possible due to the higher prices elsewhere but the facilities to both send and receive natural gas overseas are truly modern marvels of engineering. And in Finlands case there's zero extra gas importing capacity anywhere close to Finland.

Sorry for the unsolicited rant!

imnotdeadyet 4 points ago +4 / -0

No worries. It highlights the BS energy policy from the Biden Administration.

that_sound 4 points ago +4 / -0

I think this all plays out slowly until maybe late fall when people turn their heat on. Then it might get interesting.

anatidaephobia 2 points ago +3 / -1

Few people in the Nordic countries heat with natural gas, electricity is the most common way for small one family homes. And that's gonna hurt bad in the wallet, even tho supply will be available for the most part.

Apartment dwellers in the cities rely on remote heating from centralized boilers burning biomass or garbage. So those. fucker will be fine when it comes to heating.

Rural properties with wooden stove, no or off grid electricity and outhouse will survive winter the best and pay practically nothing.

that_sound 1 point ago +1 / -0

"electricity is the most common way"

How do Finland and Sweden make electricity? What percentage of electrical power generation is from natural gas in those countries?

In the States, my (extremely limited) understanding is that nuclear and coal are pretty much always on to some set level (base load). And gas plants are the ones they turn on and off, or change power to deal with changes in power needs.

anatidaephobia 2 points ago +3 / -1

Sweden currently produces 15 749 MW, and consumes 12 874 MW, that's a net export of 2 875 MW (~20% of the total production). 50% of that is hydro, 35% nuclear, 5% thermal (geothermal, biomass, oil backup power) and 7% wind. All wind goes to export and it's currently low wind.

Finland is 34% hydro, 30% nuclear, 30% thermal (geothermal, biomass, oil, coal, gas, garbage), 5% wind. Current production: 6 065 MW, and 7 990 MW consumption. That's 1 844 MW net import from Sweden, about ~25% of Finland's total consumption.

Most power grids around the world are based on what was cheapest at the time they where built, the US has plenty of natural resources that can cheaply be extracted, hence coal, gas and oil makes sense. The Nordic countries has the mountains with strong currents of water, perfect for hydroelectric dams as base source. This energy source was in fact so cheap that the entire train network where electrified over 100 years ago.

So all in all, generally low reliance on Russian gas. The gas that is used, is mostly used for transportation, buses and some big rigs, these are still combustion engines that could easily be converted, or run on biogas or producer gas instead. Then there's Norway which just like Russia has it's own oil and natural gas extraction.

that_sound 2 points ago +2 / -0

How dare you make me actually learn something and change my ignorant opinion?! That's not why I go on the internet!

Thanks for all that. I appreciate the info and the time you put into it.

AllTheWayTrump 8 points ago +8 / -0

They shouldn't have even informed them. Just cut them off.

Edinedii 6 points ago +6 / -0

The only thing leftist/NATO stuck-ups worry about is their people's revolt.

Freyjaschild 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yeah their female PM is responsible yet fox puts a pic of the male president as if it is his fault.

Jackhererer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Projection projection projection!!!

Rerecursive 3 points ago +3 / -0

Women and children vs former KGB testosterone juiced Russian killer. No contest.

crash7863 2 points ago +2 / -0

Women are not men and cannot handle power. Women should have no voice in political matters. Change my mind. The Bible backs my claims.

Pumpingiron_Patriot1 1 point ago +1 / -0

Topple the West? War is great for the West (in a very evil way).

War scares European countries and thus more countries want to Join Nato, thus increasing the US sphere of influence.

Countries increase their military budgets.

They buy weapons from the US.

US has a plan for "The Quad" (similar to Nato) around China.

Sylvester1212 1 point ago +1 / -0

They gotta topple the US and Russia to implement their NWO.