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mytummyhurts 170 points ago +171 / -1

Haha, 3d printer go brrrrrr

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Coprolite 118 points ago +118 / -0

Milling machine go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Magatonin 100 points ago +100 / -0

CNC machine go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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heeeeeemeyer 188 points ago +188 / -0

My broke ass' Harbor Freight mill go brrrrrchchrgbrrrrrrchckrgh

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MagaDevildog2 33 points ago +33 / -0

XD

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TGNX 28 points ago +28 / -0

But it's still going.

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MySidesGoUp 21 points ago +21 / -0

Just needs new brushes 😂

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johnrambo 24 points ago +24 / -0

KEK!

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mytummyhurts 17 points ago +17 / -0

Lol

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Richy_Rich 6 points ago +6 / -0

As does mine good sir!

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Hanging_Chad 23 points ago +23 / -0

Wish the Mint's money shredder went brrrrr

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Emperorvoid 26 points ago +26 / -0

Can we get some BrrrrrrT at the border please?!

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AmericanJawa 13 points ago +13 / -0

Ghost Gun go 'BAN! BAN! BAN!'

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Hanging_Chad 9 points ago +9 / -0

Ghost of Kalashnikova

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DERedRider 4 points ago +5 / -1

The Mint makes coins. I believe the agency you are looking for is the Bureau of Engraving and Printing

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ShartMaster 3 points ago +3 / -0

Those were made at the BEP facility in Ft. Worth, TX.

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Hanging_Chad 3 points ago +3 / -0

They can't keep getting away with this

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DERedRider 2 points ago +2 / -0

The Fort Worth TX production facility:

https://www.bep.gov/visitor-centers/fort-worth-tx-tour-and-visitor-center

Just because the Mint sells shit on their website doesn't mean they made it.

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Hanging_Chad 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just because they don't make it doesn't mean they can't shred it

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HKgoneWild 2 points ago +2 / -0

Can the pedo shredder go brrrr as well then?

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NullifyAndSecede 8 points ago +8 / -0

This is a good a place of any to point out that Defense Distributed has now developed the 0% lower.

https://fullmagnews.com/2022/01/13/defense-distributed-releases-0-lower-to-mock-the-atf/

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gunteh 6 points ago +6 / -0

Why aren’t they selling a block of metal to New Jersey? Is there some legal loophole that could shut down even the 0%s?

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NullifyAndSecede 4 points ago +4 / -0

Good question

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HyperCarbs 0 points ago +7 / -7

“buy-build-shoot” kits

This has nothing to do with 3d printing or 80% receivers/lowers.

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NullifyAndSecede 25 points ago +25 / -0

Wrong:

JSD Supply asked the ATF if they could just stop selling the 80 percent frame and continue to sell all the other gun parts, and ATF won’t let them

But what’s really important is not just the other companies that are selling 80 percent receivers and gun parts, but there are hundreds of websites that sell only gun parts. No regulated part from before or after this final rule. And the question is, if I 3D print the frame and then I order a barrel and a trigger from one of those websites that only sells gun parts, is ATF trying to say that that company illegally helped me complete a firearm?

Most 3d printed weapons require (until now) unregulated parts like barrels, triggers, locking blocks etc....

The FGC-9 was specifically designed not to require any regulated parts by honorary American JStark who was living in Germany at the time.

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HyperCarbs 3 points ago +7 / -4

The kits were a bad idea in the first place. If the ATF were going after 80% everything, the would have reclassified an unfinished receiver as a firearm. It is perfectly legal to build a homemade firearm including the FGC-9.

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Junionthepipeline 7 points ago +7 / -0

They did

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TrumpoWon2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

This article is bullshit trash, that's why people aren't understanding.

Here's a real one:

https://www.ammoland.com/2022/05/jsd-supply-files-temporary-restraining-order-against-atf/

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HyperCarbs 0 points ago +3 / -3

When were 80% receivers classified as firearms?

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NullifyAndSecede 17 points ago +17 / -0

They aren't, they are classifying build kits as firearms and then claiming that you are circumventing the gun control act by buying parts individually.

This is exactly the sort of shenanigans that I hope the recent SEC ruling will stamp out across the alphabet agencies.

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HyperCarbs 1 point ago +1 / -0

I did. Some of you, and the article, are confusing 5 different issues with a simple gun kit ban, which is all this is.

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QuickHands -9 points ago +2 / -11

Did you even read the fucking article? Jesus Goddamned Christ, you want to run your fucking mouth but can't even do the bare minimum. Maybe try shutting the fuck up before contradicting the article if you haven't even READ it

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TrumpVoter1 2 points ago +2 / -0

There is more going on here with JSD than has been told. The BBS kits are widely available still by the other major sellers in the market. The ATF may be using this as a pretext for something else they are doing or JSD is lying about what really is going on.

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TrumpoWon2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

That has nothing to do with this article.

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OPsMom 108 points ago +109 / -1

This ruling by the ATF reads in such a way that the sale of PVC pipe would also be illegal.

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impera 57 points ago +57 / -0

Lying in their letter is a stupid thing when JSD and other manufacturers has past statements by the ATF that contradict them now.

These kits are firearms under the gun Control Act and have always been firearms pursuant to statute.”

No they haven't, says the ATF.

But hey, if they want to say that everything is now a gun, then hold them to this and say they cant regulate or infringe on ANYTHING, at any time. Which means the budget can be zeroed out on all these fake regulator departments since they no longer have purpose.

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easyonthefiber 18 points ago +18 / -0

What’s more disconcerting is by saying:

“Those engaged in the business of selling these complete kits, as your company does, are in fact engaged in the business of dealing firearms,” the letter says.

That means by extension, anyone who bought a kit from JSD engaged in an illegal transfer. So how long before the ATF raids JSD again for sales records and starts arresting the customers who bought kits?

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impera 17 points ago +17 / -0

Under the same notion that retroactive laws are not just null and void but also illegal, there is no way that anyone can be held to laws that dont exist.

They sure like their monopoly on specific crimes though, so I dont doubt that the ATF will try.

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GorillaTactics 16 points ago +17 / -1

Problem is, this isn’t a new law. They are simply changing their interpretation of the existing law, so they’re claiming they just had it wrong all along, but now they have it right and these sales were illegal all along, they just didn’t realize it until now. Hopefully this abuse is used in a decisive court case to crush this behaviour and then nullify the ATFs authority and mission

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impera 13 points ago +13 / -0

'we just interpret things differently now!'

The case law and hearings and outcomes predicated on the old interpretation doesn't just go away in a puff of magic fairy dust, even though this is what they are claiming. Claiming all past verdicts are wrong should be enough to load the ATF up with enough contempt of court charges to sink their organization entirely in a normal functioning legal system. Its not the states problem or the defendants problem that the prosecutors now assert they have been idiots all along.

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GorillaTactics 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’m not in any way trying to support or justify their blatantly unconstitutional actions. Just trying to explain their twisted legal reasoning.

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NullifyAndSecede 10 points ago +10 / -0

Bump Stocks set this precedent.

Trumps worst move by far. If he gets back in office he needs to undo that somehow.

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yudsfpbc 6 points ago +7 / -1

If it sets us up for trying the NFA v. 2A in the SC, it will go down as the greatest 5D chess move in history.

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gunteh 5 points ago +5 / -0

I think Reagan signing the Firearm Owners Protection Act (banning civilian ownership of fully automatic weapons produced after 1986) was a bigger misdeed than a stupid bump stock ban, but neither are good. Trumps is the lesser of two evils.

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NullifyAndSecede 3 points ago +3 / -0

I would agree. I said it was Trump’s worst move, not the worst thing ever.

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TrumpoWon2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wrong. They are creating law without the authority to do so.

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easyonthefiber 8 points ago +8 / -0

I fully anticipate they will try.

With this creative re-interpretation, thousands, possible hundreds of thousands of Americans could be “criminals” in illegal possession of a firearm depending on state and federal laws.

This creates the left’s ultimate masturbatory fantasy of legal gun owners becoming felons, losing their right to vote, to bear arms, and possibly lose their job.

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gunteh 5 points ago +5 / -0

At a certain point, you need to realize that helping them achieve their goal of control isn’t helping the cause. I hope more people stop paying attention to what constitutes and AR Pistol and just tell the ATF to go f*ck itself.

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Rollyjogger 1 point ago +1 / -0

upvoted and agree.

Although I find it terrible for future generations I think things will need to get worse before it gets better. I hope I am wrong but I forsee a future with more laws, more illegaler firearms and blatant disregard for these BS laws becoming the norm given the disconnect between politicians and the people.

You already see it in the states with the most restrictive gun laws. People will not just let these agencies take their rights. Police are refusing to enforce laws (like the high cap mag ban in CA) even. Look at NY for their (4%?) safe act compliance rate.

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NullifyAndSecede 5 points ago +5 / -0

The "law" hasn't changed anymore than it did when Trump's ATF forced everyone to destroy their bump stocks without compensation.

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impera 9 points ago +9 / -0

Well said. Another mindless and stupid thing that had another very glowy operation that preceded it, this time with Steven Paddock at Mandalay Bay. Along with very incriminating statements made by the FBI, another staple of these types of events.

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gunteh 0 points ago +1 / -1

In comparison to Reagan’s Firearm Owners Protection Act, which did change the law regarding fully automatic weapons in civilian hands. I guess Trumps bump stock “ban” was the lesser of two evils.

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NullifyAndSecede 2 points ago +2 / -0

You could argue it the other way as well. Reagan signed unconstitutional legislation.

Trump acted unilaterally without congress.

The effect of the FOPA is worse, but the bump stop ban is an abuse of executive power to reshape existing legislation.

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gunteh 2 points ago +2 / -0

Between the two, an executive order is easier to strike down in court than a Congressionally passed act. I don’t think either are constitutional, but I have yet to see a significant effort from any gun group to overturn FOPAs provision about machine guns.

However, the current court case on the bump stock ban is resting on FOPA because essentially the argument is whether bump stocks are a “machine gun” or not (Gun Owners of Am., Inc. v. Garland, 6th Cir. en banc, No. 19-01298, 12/3/21.)

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Hanging_Chad 11 points ago +11 / -0

Their purpose is a jobs program to keep their thugs off of the streets when not grabbing guns

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impera 12 points ago +12 / -0

Coincidentally, firearm owners have other strategies to keep thugs off the streets as well, that dont involve billions of spend. What a happy coincidence!

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lurker4 8 points ago +8 / -0

I mean ammo is pretty expensive these days. Might take billions worth.

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NullifyAndSecede 6 points ago +6 / -0

Their lawyers really need to bring up the recent SEC ruling about how they can't arbitrarily engage in legislation and enforcement on their own.

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residue69 2 points ago +2 / -0

We need more eyes on this:

https://patriots.win/p/15HvL1qXGz/breaking-5th-circuit-rules-sec-i/c/

The Dodd-Frank Act, passed after the 2008 financial crisis, empowered the SEC to bring cases before its own internal judges and institute penalties against defendants.

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gunteh 5 points ago +5 / -0

When are we going to start ignoring ATF memos? They’re not legislation, they’re not constitutional, and they only have power if people give them that power.

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impera 3 points ago +3 / -0

I agree, and businesses on the receiving end of threats like this should contact the sheriffs in their locality to appraise them of the situation like any other criminal threat.

Not elected, not legislators, not judicial even.

And its germane to the conversation that Biden armed terrorist groups like the taliban with $80B of military grade weapons with no arrests or charges bought against him. If anyone's in line for arrest, how about starting there?

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Dogelog 3 points ago +3 / -0

My friend got a drug paraphernalia because of a 2 foot pvc pipe in his trunk. Was nothing else to it just the pipe.

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TrumpoWon2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sounds like he didn't have a lawyer.

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Cantshadowbanthemall 1 point ago +1 / -0

It would be a shame if this was appealed in the 5th circuit

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Stolen 65 points ago +65 / -0

This is Lawfare. If they fight it will cost them. The Roman Empire abuse Lawfare before the fall.

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Plazma10 13 points ago +17 / -4

That's how Joseph got Pharaoh to sell the people into slavery. Same thing wth the Bankers during Henry's schism

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Schroeder09 7 points ago +8 / -1

Joseph sold the people into slavery?

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JoseyWalesEchidna 11 points ago +11 / -0

It's a bit of the twisting of account wherein Joseph ensures Egypt won't starve during the 7 years of famine. Pharaoh's dream predicted 7 years of plenty followed by 7 years of famine. Joseph's solution was to store up extra food during the 7 years of plenty (presumably via government taxes) and dole it out over the 7 years of famine. When people eventually couldn't pay for food during the famine, Joseph bought their land and the people became tenant farmers for Pharaoh. They had to give 20% of their yield to Pharaoh.

The people did all this at their own insistence. It's a bit disingenuous to characterize it as "Joseph got Pharaoh to sell the people into slavery." The people would have starved otherwise, they insisted on selling their livestock, and then their lives and land.

Genesis 41 & 47

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TrumpoWon2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Oooo, you are smart person. Your big brain knows things.

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Schroeder09 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thanks for the rational explanation. I just posted in response to the other guy that it sure seems like he's posting an insane "iTs thE j00oz!!!" comment. 🙄

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Plazma10 2 points ago +3 / -1

Genesis 47:15 to 47:25 explains how Joseph's promises of inflationary good times brought communism into Pharaoh's Egypt

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Schroeder09 2 points ago +2 / -0

Why would Joseph want his own people sold into slavery? Is this some insane "iTz tHE jO0zzZe!!!" post?

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Plazma10 1 point ago +1 / -0

No. It's in the Bible and describes inflation by bureaucrats and those who control the money. Joseph was a Canaanite. Same thing happened with the Babylonian and Roman monetary policies

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Stolen 5 points ago +5 / -0

I am a recovering Episcopalian.

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Hambeast 4 points ago +4 / -0

So, Catholic lite?

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TiaTisa 2 points ago +2 / -0

There are Catholic lites and cafeterian Catholics. They pick and choose what they want.

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jimmityjimjimjim 2 points ago +2 / -0

What and what?

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ThatAnonGuyAgain 8 points ago +8 / -0

They use your money to fight you. It costs you.

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I_Love_45-70_Gov 3 points ago +3 / -0

It'll cost them? Whose money do you think they'd be burning through?

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TDAF 62 points ago +62 / -0

In Soviet America, ghost gun bans YOU.

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OGpsywar 12 points ago +12 / -0

Einstein did say something about 'spooky action at a distance'.

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MasterChef 56 points ago +56 / -0

ATF has held that kits which include all components necessary to produce a functional firearm, including the jig or template used to finish the unfinished frame or receiver, the slide assembly, and the necessary components to complete the frame or receiver are themselves properly classified as firearms under the Gun Control Act

A block of steel and a cnc machine is now considered a firearm.

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OPsMom 40 points ago +40 / -0

Home Depot is now the largest arms dealer in the USA

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MakeFreedomRing 7 points ago +7 / -0

No more potato guns...

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OGpsywar 19 points ago +19 / -0

Michaelangelo would advise that the gun was already inside the block of steel .. and all that he would be doing is setting it free.

It's simply Fate.

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NADSAQ 13 points ago +13 / -0

Daoist astronaut: “Always has been”

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Whoopies_tds 12 points ago +12 / -0

Gang bangers in Chiraq with stolen or Eric Holder guns aren't making their own nor would they have any idea how to operate a CNC machine

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Junionthepipeline 7 points ago +7 / -0

The govt dosent care about them.

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MagaDistributor 4 points ago +4 / -0

So they'll selectively enforce their ambiguous law.

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Coprolite 27 points ago +29 / -2

Symbolic move at most. This will be yet another kick in the balls for this stupid son of a bitch.

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TrumpIsMyyPresident 22 points ago +22 / -0

Meanwhile, JSD Supply is essentially OOB, so while it's "symbolic" longterm in regards to the finally ruling, it is very much real now.

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RolandDelacroix 11 points ago +11 / -0

Pisses me off I got a jig and can't get blanks now.

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TheGunFairy 3 points ago +3 / -0

Deltateamtactical.com

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Coprolite 3 points ago +3 / -0

That's racist!!!!

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Trump2024 2 points ago +2 / -0

Jiggers gonna jig!

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johnrambo 0 points ago +1 / -1

A quick search and they still show up for sale.

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RolandDelacroix 1 point ago +1 / -0

Link please, they're sold out everywhere I looked

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TrumpoWon2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Being sold out is not the same as JSD not offering them until their filed injunction is granted.

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TrumpoWon2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

They already filed for an injunction which will probably be granted.

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RolandDelacroix 9 points ago +9 / -0

Nope, all the 80% manufacturers have ceased production. They're selling through what they have and closing down.

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HyperCarbs 2 points ago +3 / -1

Really? Because prices are almost back to normal on the 80% stuff.

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Crappydatum 27 points ago +27 / -0

If you see any male ATF agent, call them a RAPIST!

If they claim they aren't, say they have all the equipment, so by definition, they're a rapist.

If they're a woman, I don't know, call them a whore? Same basic logic

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MagaDevildog2 11 points ago +11 / -0

I just call them Fertilizer ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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AlphaOmaga 1 point ago +1 / -0

I just call 611

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Reefay 4 points ago +4 / -0

Birthing unit. That'll get em

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Trump2024 3 points ago +3 / -0

Because women can't rape? And I'm not talking about trannies.

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johnrambo 3 points ago +3 / -0

Rapist that identifies as female

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Wfdeacon88 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just yell and scream loudly "stop raping me, he/she/them/they, stop raping me, stop groping me!!!! They touched me"

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hogstooth01 24 points ago +24 / -0

I’d like the Biden administration to demonstrate the ease of milling out an 80% lower using an online jig kit and household tools. I want it live on National TV, in plain view with a little stopwatch in the corner of everyone’s TV set. I want the person doing the milling to be a competent individual but no ringers. Show us how “simple and fast it is for just to make a ghost gun at home.” They have to be able to assemble and function check it at the end as well. They can even blur out the important bits so they aren’t teaching a class.
I will bet a million dollars it takes ALOT longer than they seem to believe.

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easyonthefiber 10 points ago +10 / -0

A couple years ago, PA AG Josh Shapiro (rabidly antigun nutjob) reinterpreted the PA constitution and state laws. His new interpretation required all 80% lower sales to have a background check like a handgun. This was impossible to do thought, as the 80% doesn’t have a serial number.

Shapiro’s argument was that “anyone, including prohibited persons, could make a firearm at home in less than 30 minutes” which is laughably untrue. The average person probably needs 4+ hours their first time. Maybe after completing a dozen or so they could do it in 30 mins.

He got overruled by the commonwealth’s Supreme Court, thankfully. Unfortunately though, this same asshat is running for Governor currently.

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PraiseBeToScience 2 points ago +4 / -2

Even after having done half a dozen it still takes me like 3 hours, minimum. You can go faster but you risk doing severe damage to your mill and you might compromise the receiver. The jig, drill press, router, cutting flue, and mill bits alone cost like $600, minimum.

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TrumpoWon2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

That's because you can only do like 5 thousandths of an inch per pass with a mill. It's inherently slow. Doesn't matter what you're making.

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Yignuced 5 points ago +5 / -0

I’d bet if you put any lefty on that show, they couldn’t even do it at all.

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IBentMyWookie 7 points ago +7 / -0

They’d mill arms alright; mill half of their dang arm off.

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DiscoverAFire 4 points ago +4 / -0

No, make Biden do it

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johnrambo 3 points ago +3 / -0

That and it probably won't even work right firing 100 rounds.

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NullifyAndSecede 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’ve not done an 80% but 3d printing is way more involved than it would seem and took a few hours of trial and error to get right the first time.

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VA-Pede 15 points ago +15 / -0

GOA is preparing a lawsuit challenging the new regulation

Notice how the NRA is not mentioned once in this article.

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bratt 8 points ago +8 / -0

The NRA lobbyist's expensive suits sure have the ATF quaking in their jack boots.

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NullifyAndSecede 7 points ago +7 / -0

Because the NRA is a gun manufacturer lobby masquerading as a rights organization.

They have no incentive to protect home production.

They’ve sold us out before and will sell us out again.

GOA and FPC are where it’s at.

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runonce 3 points ago +3 / -0

That's why the GOA gets my money and the NRA goes begging.

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MythArcana 15 points ago +15 / -0

No.

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TheOutlawPepeWales 12 points ago +12 / -0

What is in the Constitution: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

What is NOT in the Constitution: The ATF

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rextexMG 12 points ago +12 / -0

They can’t do that.

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CaptainButthurt 32 points ago +32 / -0

Laughs in Post-Constitutional America

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Krat 15 points ago +15 / -0

Hahahahahaahaha they can do anything people aren't willing to do anything about

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TrumpoWon2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nope. The vendor in question already filed an injunction against the AFT which is expected to be granted.

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Snack_Destroyer 11 points ago +11 / -0

More infringement, big fucking surprise.

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mikethemarine 10 points ago +12 / -2

order each part of the kit 2 days apart, now it's not a kit, and you are just buying the tools to do it yourself, problem averted

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keepamericagreat102 17 points ago +17 / -0

or we fight unconstitutional faggot rules

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easyonthefiber 13 points ago +13 / -0

The article specifically addresses that scenario:

“Further, selling the necessary components to produce a functional firearm to the same person through multiple purchases or structure to transactions at different times instead of a single sale is equivalent to selling the complete kit to the customer. That is, the complete set of component parts necessary to create a firearm need not be packaged or sold in a single container or a single transaction in order to be considered a firearm. These piecemeal sales circumvent requirements of the Gun Control Act and are unlawful.”

By this logic, any sale of parts which can be used to complete an 80% are a willful and unlawful action to circumvent the GCA. I’d imagine they would consider purchases from multiple sources a circumvention as well. This is probably why JSD is seeking legal action, because the ATF targeted him specifically, and states that he cannot just stop selling the 80% hunk of plastic while continuing to sell other parts.

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HyperCarbs 6 points ago +6 / -0

The ATF plans to go after every company selling 80% receivers then? I think they are making an example of JSD, and JSD will probably win in court.

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easyonthefiber 9 points ago +9 / -0

Everything about this creative re-interpretation is contradictory to the ATF’s previous interpretations and comment responses during the draft.

It is almost like they want us to challenge them in court.

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mikethemarine 5 points ago +5 / -0

you just need a lath a drill press, some files and a few other tools, it's just easier to buy them.

the only reason they want them banned is cause when they come to collect the registered ones they can't find these ones, and they can just fuck offf

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easyonthefiber 4 points ago +4 / -0

Agreed, much easier to buy than to build. Even with a drill press and files, I would make the argument that it takes more than 30 minutes for a reasonably competent individual to drill, file, and assemble an 80% on their first try.

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mikethemarine 3 points ago +3 / -0

I agree, but if you have a jig made, it's not that bad, but I never said anything about 30 minutes, it would take a couple-5 hours if you want it right

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almond_activator 2 points ago +2 / -0

The average person would spend more than 30 minutes on a 100% receiver build.

The average gun enthusiast could probably do it faster, but getting all the parts into place takes some time.

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easyonthefiber 3 points ago +3 / -0

Especially those damn roll pins for the trigger guard on an AR. I swear I spent more time on that than anything else!

That did, though, better prepare me for doing a Glock build later. I took my time over several evenings to carefully fit everything, after spending hours of research and reading tutorials.

I want to try to hand fit a 1911 next.

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Trump2024 9 points ago +9 / -0

The problem is not averted. The problem is they don't want you to DIY at all. They don't want you to possess any of the parts.

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mikethemarine 5 points ago +5 / -0

agree, they don't want us to have weapons at ALL

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ihatedemocrats 5 points ago +5 / -0

This is the answer. They want you weak, demoralized, hungry and disarmed.

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NullifyAndSecede 3 points ago +3 / -0

“Those engaged in the business of selling these complete kits, as your company does, are in fact engaged in the business of dealing firearms,” the letter says.

“Further, selling the necessary components to produce a functional firearm to the same person through multiple purchases or structure to transactions at different times instead of a single sale is equivalent to selling the complete kit to the customer. That is, the complete set of component parts necessary to create a firearm need not be packaged or sold in a single container or a single transaction in order to be considered a firearm. These piecemeal sales circumvent requirements of the Gun Control Act and are unlawful.”

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mikethemarine 4 points ago +4 / -0

by from different companies, cause they don't have the right from stopping the public per the constitution from making them,they can fuck right off.

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PepePinochet 9 points ago +9 / -0

Didn't the 5th circuit say that federal agencies lack legislative and judicial authority and therefore their rules are meaningless?

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ihatedemocrats 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yeah but that was like 2 days ago…

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residue69 2 points ago +2 / -0

We need more eyes on this:

https://patriots.win/p/15HvL1qXGz/breaking-5th-circuit-rules-sec-i/c/

The Dodd-Frank Act, passed after the 2008 financial crisis, empowered the SEC to bring cases before its own internal judges and institute penalties against defendants.

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Clandestiny 8 points ago +8 / -0

What guns?

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NazisWereSocialist 6 points ago +7 / -1

It was always illegal to sell homemade guns? No? Unless you have an FFL?

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NullifyAndSecede 7 points ago +7 / -0

The title is bad, they are banning a company from selling parts.

Not just full kits either, even if they stop selling 80% lowers the ATF wont let them keep selling triggers, slides etc...

All of which have long been agreed by all to have been unregulated parts.

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NazisWereSocialist 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yeah from the title I thought this was referring to individuals selling fully completed homemade guns

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RolandDelacroix 2 points ago +2 / -0

Theoretically it's just illegal to sell and make a profit.

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NullifyAndSecede 6 points ago +6 / -0

No, you can sell and make a profit.

The actual federal law is that you cannot manufacture with the intent to distribute/sell.

If you build a gun, and later decide you don't want it or can't have it (say laws change or you move states) it is legal to sell, but it has to be serialized at this point and you'd better have good evidence you didn't build with intent to distribute.

In most cases, probably not worth trying so it's effectively illegal to sell homebuilt firearms without a FFL.

"Shall not be infringed" my ass.

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NazisWereSocialist 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sure, but when dealing with feds that like to come up with bullshit like “constructive intent” I’ll let someone with deeper pockets for lawyers push it lol

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Final212 2 points ago +2 / -0

No these guys sell the parts unassembled. The person still has to put the parts together.

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NazisWereSocialist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Oh ok, hadn’t read that yet, this is the nonsense trying to ban 80%s from being sold with everything you need

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NavySTG 6 points ago +6 / -0

States should tell the feds to fuck off, then allow citizens to make/sell all small arms.

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NullifyAndSecede 4 points ago +4 / -0

Unfortunately some states are doing the opposite and outright banning possession of home-built firearms.

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DZP1 4 points ago +4 / -0

We can all feel safe now that the government has decided to enforce laws before they go into effect. That is why the Department of Shut the Fuck Up has banned free speech prior to Pelosi's 'If You're Not a Democrat You're a Terrorist' bill passing in October before the elections.

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first_amendment 4 points ago +5 / -1

what are they going to do next? Ban blacksmithing? That's racist.

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ethan123 4 points ago +4 / -0

In before "food used to fuel the operator of the machine that puts together the gun" is a firearm therefore you need a license to buy food

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AmericaFloats 3 points ago +3 / -0

Your family members don't read? Let them watch instead: "i've explained like they're 5."

https://rumble.com/v15kp5t-gun-control-act-expanded-illegally-to-ban-ghost-guns-now-ahead-of-schedule.html

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blackswans 3 points ago +3 / -0

They outlawed homemade liquor too. How'd that work out for them?

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Unboosted 3 points ago +3 / -0

Shall not be infringed

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TheRougarou 3 points ago +3 / -0

Their laws mean nothing to me

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SuitableHumanSoul 3 points ago +3 / -0

the 2nd amendment states the free people should ought to have enough guns and ammuination for those who would abuse them ,that would include their own government.

"In certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue… natural justice. Punishment."

Waiting for that day where commie fucks start dying by patriots, one by one....

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RogueLeaderX 3 points ago +3 / -0

Feds need to get their hands out of self defense.

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Pepper2 3 points ago +3 / -0

Im not going to buy somebody's homemade gun anyway. I may exchange a product and in return receive some components however

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Just_dumping_fuel 3 points ago +3 / -0

these rulings here are what is going to get me into metal casting.

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TrumpChampBelt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Uhhhh can't make us stop, dumbasses lol

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BoDude 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fuck the ABC's of the U.S Government. Their the fucking criminals

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DRKMSTR 2 points ago +2 / -0

Next, firearm plans / drawings are now guns too.

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Latakia 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fags.

I would like a 3D printed hipower frame

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NullifyAndSecede 3 points ago +3 / -0

That is a thing:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/02/04/3d-printing-browning-hi-power/

I believe the design is by Ivan the Troll.

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Latakia 2 points ago +2 / -0

That’s the one… I wonder if it has a metal frame rail insert ?

This is what FN should make with a detective length slide

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NullifyAndSecede 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not sure, but likely. All the other handgun frames I've seen use some metal bits to interface with the slide.

I do think Ivan does development pieces that are pure plastic but they wear out quickly without the metal bits.

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Latakia 4 points ago +4 / -0

The weight reduction would put it on par with a Glock 17 or 19.

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residue69 1 point ago +1 / -0

FTA:

I can print frames for 3 bucks, drop some milled aluminum rail inserts in, and be all set. One of the “rail vendors” (a shop that sells rails for 3D printed gun builds) ran off a couple sets of the BHP rails I designed on a CNC mill (I used a manual for mine and wanted to verify that my spec was spot-on), and those rails work great – which was really the biggest speedbump in this project – the rails can be sold from a vendor and work great with no fitting of the rails. Cost on the rails might end up being $50ish since they are more complex than Glock rails, but that beats coughing up hundreds for a new frame.

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grenades_and_ham 2 points ago +2 / -0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1TXEE_QK4&noapp=1

Importing a couple of these guys!

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residue69 1 point ago +1 / -0

That video really left a lot out. Hard to believe they're making guns in a jungle hut with a hacksaw.

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grenades_and_ham 2 points ago +2 / -0

I remember seeing that video a few years back. Whatever the government tries to outlaw just goes under ground.

That's why legal law abiding citizens need to push back on this shit. Criminals give 0 fucks about the laws. They're going to get their weapons.

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Dirk_Nager 2 points ago +2 / -0

Are 3d printed guns durable enough to be worth bc the expense of building them and making them safe?

I genuinely don’t know just seems like plastic wouldn’t bc work long term

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ModernDayMao 3 points ago +4 / -1

No they aren’t long term viable firearms more of a freedom inspired novelty than a real tool. This ATF rule is more to do with 80%kits where you get a block of metal and instructions on how to mill it out into a real gun frame.

If you do it right it will make a real, durable gun. Honestly I wouldn’t buy anyone’s homemade 80% kit or 3D printed gun but that doesn’t mean the Fed’s are allowed to infringe.

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Dirk_Nager 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you very much for your reply. This is what I was kind of thinking but I didn’t know if there had been some sort of revolution in 3-D printing where all the sudden they could print metal now

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ModernDayMao 3 points ago +3 / -0

You’re welcome I was confused by them at first too how everyone talks them up like it’s Star Trek level shit.

It’s just a plastic frame which is the serialized part in the US. In Europe and other less free places they serialize and restrict most all gun parts.

You can’t “print” a gun at home unless you can get all the other parts which is impossible in most cucked countries.

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NullifyAndSecede 1 point ago +2 / -1

Research the FGC-9.

It’s meant to be buildable in oppressive regimes like the EU and has seen combat in Myanmar.

Durability of 3d printed frames will depend on the specific materials/settings used.

Pistol caliber 3d guns can last hundreds to thousands of rounds. Rifle calibers don’t do as well.

With some printer upgrades and more exotic materials like glass filled zytel you can approach durability of standard polymer frames.

The biggest weakness of the PLA most folks use is heat exposure, a PLA Glock will handle consecutive mag dumps fine but the frame can easily melt if you leave it in a hot car.

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ModernDayMao 1 point ago +1 / -0

I know exactly what the FGC-9 is and to say it’s a viable tool against gun control is laughable. 80% kits or luty smgs the way.

“3D printed guns” are not even a thing in my opinion, you can 3D print a garbage frame if you have access to all the other gun parts. All it is, is a buzzword/news headline “3D printed Guns danger to America”

Most oppressive regimes don’t allow you to ship glock slides and barrels to your house so they are worthless in my opinion.

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DiscoverAFire 3 points ago +3 / -0

You can, but it takes a $50k machine and the powder is super expensive too. Nobody is doing guns on them.

So yeah what Mao said.

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residue69 1 point ago +1 / -0

A Vo-Tech near me has one of the $180K machines and only charges 25 cents per gram of material to print on it.

It prints in color, too!

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RolandDelacroix 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not yet, probably within a couple years.

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Icepck 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sell paintings like Hunter.

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shithotseaman 2 points ago +2 / -0

Abide the Constitution, particularly the second amendment on this one. As per Marbury v. Madison, all other guns laws are null and void.

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RealTXPatriot 1 point ago +2 / -1

How do you halt homemade sales? Lol

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keepamericagreat102 5 points ago +5 / -0

by telling obedient sheep new rules, they will comply

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RealTXPatriot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Soooooo... you wanna buy a gun? If you're local enough I can just meet you and sell it, write up a bill of sale - i sign, you sign, cheers mate!

Kinda how it works.

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keepamericagreat102 2 points ago +2 / -0

can you turn 80% receiver into 100? if yes let me know we will talk

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runonce 1 point ago +1 / -0

Whelp, looks like we're going a la carte, and aluminum bar stock is back on the menu boys.

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Just_dumping_fuel 1 point ago +1 / -0

Does the ATF think I am made of money? I can afford to buy all these gun parts.

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savagememes 1 point ago +1 / -0

BEST ADVERTISEMENT EVER ! thanks faggot feds I never knew about them until now and will definitely be buying from them

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jarvis 1 point ago +1 / -0

I better stop putting profits from homemade gun sales on my tax returns then.

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ChynahIzAzzhole 1 point ago +1 / -0

Home Depot.. ACE, Lowes... are Gun Stores.

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RusherOfDin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Who the fuck are they targeting? I can't think of anyone that makes homemade guns to sell unless they're talking about ghetto kids making a zip guns.

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NullifyAndSecede 2 points ago +2 / -0

Title is bad, they are banning parts.

Selling homemade firearms with an FFL was already effectively illegal.

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mainsoda 1 point ago +1 / -0

Doesn't anybody care about the constitution anymore?

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Joe_Snow 2 points ago +2 / -0

Everyone except law enforcement