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TheLeftIsAntiRight 262 points ago +262 / -0

Odd that it was so debunked that my religious exemption was granted due to this very reason...

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TexasPiper 126 points ago +128 / -2

As was my wife’s. Praise God.

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Voteordie 12 points ago +14 / -2

Depends on the direction the wind is blowing.

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imnotdeadyet 21 points ago +21 / -0

Depends on the definition of "Created". In this case the vaccines were "developed" using aborted cells.

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Litecola2 17 points ago +17 / -0

Sir Clarence Thomas said developed. The first two bullet points are accurate. Everything else is baloney.

Saddest part is that most people, myself included, had no idea how entrenched fetal cell research is in the R&D of everything.

Whole family is gradually swearing off injections of any kind...

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imnotdeadyet 13 points ago +13 / -0

Same here. I went to mu physical and my doctor asked if 1) I wanted a booster, 2) a Flu shot, 3) a pneumonia shot and 4) a Shingles vaccine. I looked at him and said "You can shove those vaccines up your ass." He laughed and said "A lot of that going around these days."

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RedPillForceFeed 5 points ago +6 / -1

Like the way you told him "no."

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DJTrump 2 points ago +2 / -0

When they ask me if I've had all my vaccinations, I say, "of course not," with a tone of voice that indicates I'd kill them before I let them shoot me up with any of that garbage. They then move immediately away from the topic and don't bring it up again.

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DickTick 22 points ago +22 / -0

No Trump told you that he was told the vaccine is safe. Trump has absolutely no way of knowing the vaccine is safe considering it hadn't been used on enough people and there was no real testing data at the time becaus, again, there wasn't enough people taking it yet.

Trump is not a chemist or in the pharmaceutical industry at all whatsoever, so he simply relayed a message that the so-called experts told him.

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Highspergamy 9 points ago +9 / -0

Trump just repeated the honks honked by the honksperts.

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imnotdeadyet 6 points ago +6 / -0

Agreed. He believed the lying medical community. So did a lot of people. Never again!

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madagea 10 points ago +10 / -0

Trump did not develop or create the gene therapies ,they are confirmed and proven not to be vaccines , he was told this by the experts we are told to listen to.Meanwhile those same experts were hiding trial data.

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wartooth6 6 points ago +6 / -0

He also mentioned alternative therapies and was accused of telling everyone to drink bleach

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Palazzolo1 3 points ago +3 / -0

I presume that GEOTUS may have been referring to this: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5019402A/en

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Litecola2 3 points ago +3 / -0

Niche religion rules? Simple- most major religions say one should not murder, nor profit from sin, sin like murder. Not very niche, but your ethics may vary.

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Voteordie -7 points ago +1 / -8

It’s not a rule, it’s an interpretation and they’re bent and molded to support whatever side they want to be on

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TrumpsBigBalls 1 point ago +2 / -1

wow these people are fucking stupid...they were used in testing, not in the actual vax...it says so right underneath the txt that was hi-lited.

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invalid_data 6 points ago +6 / -0

^^Found the leftist government drone trying to hide in here

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DickTick 4 points ago +5 / -1

Are you referring to the comment about it being used in the creation?

There is no argument to be made here, the aborted fetal cells are not an ingredient in any vaccine.

You create a vaccine and then once it is fully created, you then use the aborted fetal cells during the initial testing process in the lab, before you move on to possibly animals and then human trials. It's used in the first set of lab trials.

That's where the biggest discrepancy comes in, that for some reason a lot of people on our side have actually been led to believe, or simply misread, and think that the cells are actually used as an ingredient in the vaccines. They are not and this is not up for dispute to anyone that has actually read the source information themselves.

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Americansupremacist0 7 points ago +7 / -0

I find it funny that the media is explaining how the fetus cells aren’t an actual ingredient in the vaccine and that’s why it shouldn’t be a religious issue. But religious people (Christian specifically) object to abortion. So why the hell would they be ok with them being used in the testing lol? Not directed at you, just an observation I find hilarious.

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plasma 4 points ago +4 / -0

it's because the media is made not only of liars, but they're also idiots.

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Leb99 -1 points ago +1 / -2

Yeah, we should try directly on people who are against testing on cells from abortion tissues.

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Italianshamrock 2 points ago +2 / -0

According to Children’s Health Defense J&J has fetal cells. The mRNA vaccines were tested against them.

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LastOrder 2 points ago +2 / -0

This isn’t true though. They may not be an ingredient per se, but the JnJ vaccine uses PER.C6 cells in the manufacturing process, and there is residual DNA in the final product. This is the case for many therapies today. There are residual DNA tests to quantify the amount, and it is usually low (in the pg/mL range), but it is there. Offhand I don’t remember if there is a regulated threshold that specifies “too much” or if it is product-specific depending on the manufacturing process. I’ve tested phase I/phase II products that had 1000s of ng though, and these were being used in clinical trials.

The mRNA vaccines are manufactured differently, and they only used HEK293 in testing. It is my opinion though, that alternative cell lines should be adopted. There are many available that are not from aborted children.

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FormerGraveheart 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wish I knew what the leftist government drone was saying.

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Medtex1 15 points ago +15 / -0

Got a copy of that letter.....redacted?

Sounds an awful lot like mine. I would seriously love to read it.

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NavyGuy 3 points ago +4 / -1

I added mine here if you want to read mine.

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NavyGuy 3 points ago +4 / -1

Your very welcome shipmate. Happy early "Fuck those filthy redcoats" day fren!

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Medtex1 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thank you.....

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NavyGuy 8 points ago +9 / -1

Here is a redacted copy of mine. I put a lot of work into it and it was accepted.

To whom it may concern,

I, , hereby request a waiver of the COVID-19 immunization for religious reasons.

As a practicing Christian taking the vaccine goes against my religious beliefs for multiple reasons. The first reason is that all Covid-19 vaccines, and MRNA research used to prototype them, was developed using fetal cells collected from aborted fetal cell lines. It is well known that many born again Christians and Catholics are against abortion as well as the practice of using aborted fetal tissue.

The Bible states: Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder. Psalm 139:13-16 “13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.”Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”Proverbs 6:16-17 “16 There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood”Job 31:15 “15 Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers?”

I believe in the Bible and that God forms babies in the womb. God has a plan and a purpose for their lives. Aborting a baby in the womb is murder. It is taking away another human’s life and is a sin. Taking the vaccine which was created from tests on aborted fetal cell lines goes against my religion as it is the product of abortion which is a sin. The Bible states: Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”Genesis 3:22 “And the Lord God said, “Now that the man has become like one of us, knowing good and bad, what if he should stretch out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever!”

These verses explain that humans are made in the image of God and are given the same mental capacities as our creator. Therefore I am granted free will to think for myself and make my own decisions in this world. In Genesis 3:22 it is explaining how I have the consciousness to choose what is good and bad. With my conscious mind, I have the right to exercise my free will that was granted to me by God.

That being said, I am using my free will to reject the vaccine. I have numerous concerns about the vaccine. One important concern is that there is no research on the long term effects of the vaccine. I have met many people who have gotten sick with Covid after taking the vaccine which makes me doubt its effectiveness. Furthermore, the record setting reported vaccine injuries and side effects to https://vaers.hhs.gov makes me question it's safety.

  The Bible states:Genesis 1:28 “And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea,”

I do not want to partake in any vaccine that could jeopardize my ability to reproduce and have babies which is something God has called me to do.

Matthew 9:22 “Jesus turned, and seeing her he said, “Take heart, daughter; your faith has made you well.” And instantly the woman was made well.”

I have faith in the body that God gave me to fight Covid. I believe that taking the vaccine would be an expression of my lack of faith in my God given immune system. Matthew 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.James I :4 And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.I Corinthians 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.Isaiah 41:I0 Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

I prayed to god about accepting the mRNA medical device that will alter my body. I prayed for guidance if it was acceptable to modify the perfect DNA he gave me. I prayed for wisdom about permanently changing the foolproof genes he created. The lord spoke to me in his way and filled me with his holy spirit. He told me the only protection I needed was his and to refuse to stand with false idols that wished to destroy the holy temple of my body which he breathed life into.

The Bible is the highest authority for what I believe. I cannot in good conscience disobey the lord or the counsel he has provided me. I must obey the word of god. I have no choice; I cannot accept that which will destroy the creation of God and tarnish the perfect body he made for me. These beliefs are not uniquely personal. They are verified, endorsed, and espoused by many religious organizations as well as by my personal minister and pastor.

There is currently no constitutionally recognized, federal, state, or local law, EO order, or mandate, or legal ruling that affirms any mandatory vaccinations.

On November 12, 2021, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit granted a motion to stay OSHA's COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard, published on November 5, 2021 (86 Fed. Reg. 61402) ("ETS"). The court ordered that OSHA "take no steps to implement or enforce" the ETS "until further court order."

https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2

We do however have expressly written law prohibiting forced medical procedures in the Nuremberg Code. Article 6, Sections 1 and 3.

Thank you for taking the time to read my letter and considering my religious exemption request. I look forward to continuing being part of (enter company here).

Sincerely,

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UnitedStatesofSmash 2 points ago +2 / -0

I pretty much went straight to the Constitution and Divine Right for mine, and I let it rip on the subject of bodily autonomy. Worked out pretty well in my case.

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DickTick -9 points ago +2 / -11

The vaccines don't actually contain the damn cells. You can't show me one single reliable source that says they do. They are only used once you get to the testing phase.

Anyone who actually read the original source material about the process would understand.....

The reason the exemptions still work is because they don't need to be an actual ingredient in the vaccine itself for that exemption to still apply since they are still used in the process of getting it to the open market.....

Where the confusion comes in is that people hear stuff like "they can't come to market without the cells being used". What is actually meant by that is that the cells are used in the very initial lab testing phase and if you can't get past that part, well then you can't get into the later trials and on to full release.

If anyone would actually go back and read about the technology they would understand that.

You create the vaccine and then once it is fully created, you then have to start your trials before it can be released to the public. In the very first initial trials they don't use live animals or humans. It starts in a lab setting and they use the aborted fetal cells to test the vaccine on initially

Again, a reasoning for religious exemption would still apply but not for the reason that a lot of our folks seem to think. Lots of people on our side were either partially misled or they simply misread it when they originally saw information about it.

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resoluteAction 3 points ago +3 / -0

The vaccine is made from aborted fetal cells, but once it has replicated with the virus it is no longer the same cell genetically. It is 100% manufactured using aborted fetal cells, not just tested.

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LastOrder 0 points ago +1 / -1

This is only true for the JnJ vaccine (and many other real vaccines available, not just Covid). The mRNA therapies do not use cell cultures in their manufacturing process. They did, however, use them for early testing. Alternate cell lines should absolutely be adopted though.

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resoluteAction 1 point ago +1 / -0

They are both manufactured using aborted stem cells but jnj uses viral vector vs mrna; the claim is that jnj uses a different but similar live virus to covid19 and won't alter the patients DNA. But because it is a live virus it requires the use of stem cells to replicate.

The semantics game they play is that once the mrna is changed or viral replicated the end result is genetically different than the original fetal cell. Who cares? To manufacture both you still need to murder babies and harvest their stem cells.

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LastOrder 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wrote a quite long response below, but I don’t think I understand what you mean by “once the mrna is changed or viral replicated the end result is genetically different than the original fetal cell.”

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resoluteAction 1 point ago +1 / -0

Read it again and read the literature from the company; they all use stem cells in manufacture and testing.

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LastOrder 1 point ago +1 / -0

I did extensive research on these when they came out, but I will look into it again. I know how hard these companies tried to keep it all quiet, so maybe I did miss something.

But you’re calling them stem cells, so may I ask what kind? I don’t recall seeing anything about stem cells in the manufacturing processes at all.

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resoluteAction 1 point ago +1 / -0

They need fetal stem cells because they can turn them into anything.

But you are right that they aren't all stem cells. https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/fetal

The other reason they want it from a fetus is that the cell has a longer clock on available cell divisions. I believe they harvest mostly stem cells then code them as the type of cell line that they want.

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LastOrder 1 point ago +1 / -0

Here you go:

“Each dose may also contain residual amounts of host cell proteins (≤0.15 mcg) and/or host cell DNA (≤3 ng).” https://www.janssenlabels.com/emergency-use-authorization/Janssen+COVID-19+Vaccine-HCP-fact-sheet.pdf

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Fabius 1 point ago +1 / -0

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

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MythArcana 15 points ago +16 / -1

The letter will be in the mail first thing on Tuesday.

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Reassess_Reevaluate 4 points ago +4 / -0

Before I even typed the first word of my religious exemption, my company preemptively told me that it wouldn't be granted due to aborted fetal tissue because one of the available vaccines "wasn't created using that process".

So I had to use that reason in conjunction with the reason that my faith prevents me from putting any part of a diseased organism in my body, since my body is a temple to God.

I basically had to combine several of my beliefs together to get it granted and even then they were skeptical and told me it probably wouldn't be granted. But, by God it was.

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EagleI 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is what's messed up. How does a company get to decide on the validity of your religious belief?

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bringbackthe80s 2 points ago +2 / -0

Mine, too!

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BibleProphecyFulfill 100 points ago +100 / -0

I'm convinced that the definition of "debunked" is: "Reeeeeeeeee!"

Did we get any fact checks or debunks when Sotomayor claimed that 100,000 kids died from Covid?

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lockxirup 40 points ago +40 / -0

We choose truth over facts.

- Some retarded asshole

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Soundwave 13 points ago +14 / -1

That sounds like that faggot governor of New York, who said she doesn’t need to see the data that people who have concealed gun permits commit crimes ( because they don’t)

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Some_Rando_Web_Dev 9 points ago +9 / -0

That sounds like AOC

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Meddlesom 5 points ago +5 / -0

Same fag, different cup size.

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NavyGuy 2 points ago +3 / -1

🤣

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CrustySockpuppet 1 point ago +1 / -0

And one is a rat, one is a donkey

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bosticetudis 11 points ago +11 / -0

The left always rewrites the dictionary when things don't go their way.

https://youtu.be/OKL_I4pJs84

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captain-shitpost 2 points ago +2 / -0

"debunked", "conspiracy theory", and "misinformation" are just leftist doublespeak for "spoiler alert"

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Sick_of_the_bs 66 points ago +67 / -1

I saw a post on Reddit last night about this. People we're REEEE-ing without even reading the article. He fucking cited the plaintiffs claims. No one said "there's babies in the vaxx", just that the cells were used in the testing process.

There's no hope for these people.

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victory2024 39 points ago +39 / -0

Liberals are fundamentally dishonest about this stuff. I've tried discussing the same thing with one, and they will completely misrepresent the objectors point to try to "debunk" it.

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ZyramRo 22 points ago +22 / -0

Oh yes, the good old fashioned "so what you're saying is" method of deboonk. They put their twist on it and since it's an article they can't be rebutted, I freaking hate our "news" media, this shit is why they're truly the enemy of the people.

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ParticleCannon 7 points ago +7 / -0

Strawman is 99% of their material

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Skogin 5 points ago +6 / -1

When debating someone directly, reject their statement every time: “No, that is not what I’m saying.” Next time, “No, you aren’t listening to my argument.” And finally, “No, you are repeating claims that I never made.”

Best case, their head explodes.

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BasedCostanza91 5 points ago +5 / -0

The objective truth is their worst enemy

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KILLARY4PRISON 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's why one of their favorite slogans is "your truth"

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Soundwave 16 points ago +16 / -0

They went absolutely nuts on Reddit when that crazy woman said Trump commandeered the limousine. It didn’t matter that it sounded completely implausible and any rational human being would be skeptical of such a story. Trump is evil so of course he would do that.

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Skogin 5 points ago +6 / -1

“I’ve heard he cheats at golf, because of course he does!”

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UpTrump 4 points ago +4 / -0

Remember that Mary Trump said he cheated on the SAT - before she was even born!

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Apersonofinterest 4 points ago +4 / -0

I used to think he slept with Stormy Daniels back at the beginning of all of this. I didn’t really care at the time but I believed it. Now I think it was all a bunch of lies just like everything else. They lie about him over feeding fucking fish. These people are insane.

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DickTick 2 points ago +2 / -0

Then they should be absolutely horrified to hear all of the countless stories about things other presidents have done when they lost their temper

If we were to assume the Trump story was real, then I can point you to thousands of stories about Democrat presidents that should make them want to post humorously indict and impeach them if they think Trump was bad......

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LoobintheToobin 10 points ago +10 / -0

They won’t readily admit it but the fda allows a certain amount of the testing cells to make it into the final product... like mouse droppings in cereal.

MRC-5 and WI-38 Names of aborted fetal lines HEK-293, a kidney cell line widely used in research and industry that comes from a fetus aborted in about 1972; and PER.C6, a proprietary cell line owned by Janssen, a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson, developed from retinal cells from an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985 https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/abortion-opponents-protest-covid-19-vaccines-use-fetal-cells The Tortured Travesty immortalized in perpetual slavery. Black mirror level confinement. Free the sacrificed children in perpetual cellular slavery!

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DickTick 2 points ago +2 / -0

How is that even possible since they are only used in the initial lab testing phases?

That's like saying that "in the animal testing phase, before they give it to humans, they tested on some horses and now because of that some of the horse parts have ended up in some of the vaccines....... That shit doesn't even make sense.....

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Spicemustfiow 5 points ago +6 / -1

I saw the /r/politics shitshow.

Think about how desperate they are right now.

Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito just unwound Roe v Wade. And despite the opinion containing 213 pages the best option liberals have is to attack a black man for his obviously correct take on vaccine manufacturing in a completely different situation.

Lol.

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akira2501 2 points ago +2 / -0

They're just playing a different game.

The truth does not matter to them, and they're not embarrassed about that in the slightest.. even though they call themselves "journalists."

This is an ideological war, not a debate on the merits.

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untumulted 66 points ago +66 / -0

Let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything more comes from the devil.

Jesus

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R-A-T-S- 22 points ago +22 / -0

Well...

They don't view it as abortions of children, which is what the claim says the cells came from. Therefore: Didn't come from aborted children.

The tests were done on the cells, but the vaccine isn't made out of the cells.

Its common tactics Debookers use though. This is the kind of shuffling tricks where they get extremely pedantic with things so they can get a "False!" Like if you where to get out of your car in the desert and say "Its like the surface of the sun!" the debookers might change the wordage of your claim to "Its the surface of the sun!" or "Bob compared desert to surface of sun!" to get a False "It is not actually the surface of the sun." when Bob is just trying to say its hot.

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OldGloryUnfurled 4 points ago +4 / -0

I came here to post this as well. It is a vaccine derived from the testing of fetal cells.... but is not manufactured, currently, with those cells. It is synthesized protein chains.

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ThirteenPercenter 4 points ago +4 / -0

It is in fact manufactured with those cells. It’s not manufactured from those cells. With and from are different words with different meanings.

I can make an omelette with a spatula and pan, but that doesn’t mean the omelette has spatula and pan in it.

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R-A-T-S- 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, but when you're a Debooonker, its these kinds of linguistically shell games that you wanna play in order to get the result (True or False) you want. For people who have brains, its harder for them to fall into it. But many of the "educated" types will not even give it a second glance, and just assume "fact checkers" are completely legit. (As long as they're on the side of the borg that is)

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captain-shitpost 2 points ago +2 / -0

this. they're debunking a meaningless tangential strawman while refusing to address the meat of the argument.

they used the same "logic" to claim the jab doesn't alter your DNA. you see, what happens is that your cells are constantly making new cells, many with ever-so-slight variations in DNA, and the jab makes it so certain cells replicate while others do not. it doesn't matter to them that the jab was the proximate cause of this change. the fact that the jab didn't go into your cells and directly alter them, just caused certain ones to replicate and others to not replicate... well YOU'RE DEBONNKNKEEDDD

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fazaman 2 points ago +2 / -0

They won't even go that far. They'll say "the surface of a sun is made up of superheated plasma. The desert is made up of sand, not plasma, therefore the two are nothing aline. Debooonked!!!!

Ignoring that it's obvious hyperbole.

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MythArcana 15 points ago +15 / -0

So, you can't be a conscious objector to their practices, you just have to go with the idea of Planned Parenthood harvesting children for Big Pharma's medical experiments and Fauci's human rat army. Got it.

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LoobintheToobin 6 points ago +6 / -0

Government needs its fresh heads, who are the peons to protest.

Fresh never frozen baby heads https://rumble.com/vmnevo-fitton-documents-show-obama-fda-buying-fetal-heads-fresh-never-frozen.html

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MythArcana 4 points ago +5 / -1

Always fresh, never frozen, folks.

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HillarysBeaverMunch 4 points ago +4 / -0

Wow, what a selling point.

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Controlgroup 12 points ago +12 / -0

It’s true that use the cells of aborted children in the testing of the vaccine. So….. it’s true liars

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jctbg20 10 points ago +10 / -0

They think because the "fetal cell lines" have been replicated, instead of getting new ones, that somehow means the fetal cell lines they use now are not from abortions

It's like saying Soda doesn't have water in it because it's carbonated, so it's no longer like the original sourced water

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LoobintheToobin 3 points ago +3 / -0

The Tortured Travesty immortalized in perpetual slavery. Black mirror level confinement. Free the sacrificed children in perpetual cellular slavery!

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captain-shitpost 2 points ago +2 / -0

(1) if you look at the story on the girl who had that abortion, the baby was fucking tortured to death.

(2) there's no fucking way all testing was done solely on the HEK293T cell line. you can bet money they've used other "medical waste" over the years.

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jealousminarchist 1 point ago +1 / -0

But a big part of the research is to use a standardized sample so that the studies can be replicated. Just like bioengineered seeds, they are all clones of a single being because that makes it easier for other companies to develop pesticides if they know exactly how all the (cloned) plants are gonna respond to it.

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captain-shitpost 1 point ago +1 / -0

scientifically, sure.

but what happens in theory and what happens in real life are two entirely different things.

for example, one of the biggest labs in the covid clinical trials has an ongoing scandal because it turns out they massively excluded thousands of vax recipients from covid testing during the test. the patients confirmed with the lab that they had covid-like symptoms, were told to come in for a test. then what the lab did ...

  • the lab had unblinded everyone,
  • had the placebo recipients come in first and get covid tested (many came back positive).
  • then they scheduled the jabbed appointments later during the days, but frequently and intentionally closed and locked the doors early. repeatedly.
  • the result was placebo recipients were tested as normal and counted as covid infections, but people who got the sick after the real jab were sent home untested, and ultimately not counted.
  • when the office director complained that this reeks of fraud, they fired her. unfortunately for them, she kept copies of the documentation proving it. she's now suing them for wrongful termination.

because of the piss poor absolute risk reduction, even a small amount of covid infections in that group would blow out the study.

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jealousminarchist 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's impossible to get absolute risk reduction to a disease which starting risk is already ~0. COVID was an accident-turned-political tool, that is all.

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lucifer_fit_deus 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's not the DEBONK. They think the DEBONK is that vaccines were tested on fetal cell lines and were not created with or contain material from fetal lines.

The problem is that Thomas does not claim that the vaccines were "created with cells of 'aborted children'" as this headline says. In his dissent he writes that "they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children."

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todiwan -5 points ago +1 / -6

That's exactly what it means. You're dishonest, lmao.

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jctbg20 6 points ago +6 / -0

Fetal cell lines only exist because of an abortion

Just like Soda only exists because of water

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DickTick 1 point ago +1 / -0

They didn't have to though....

I'm assuming they would want them from a healthy baby, but there are tons of ways that babies die during childbirth while being otherwise perfectly healthy

They could have easily started the chain back over by starting with cells from a baby that simply died of natural causes at birth, which happens all over the world every single day.

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thedaynos 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're (probably intentionally) missing the point. You can't really build a company around something that may or may not happen (accidental baby death) but America has built entire industries on aborting healthy living babies and all that goes with that.

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4DHopscotch 7 points ago +7 / -0

So which one of the so called based Trump judges upheld this?

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ModernKnight 10 points ago +10 / -0

One? It was two. Kavanaugh and Barrett both sided with the liberal justices to refuse to hear the case.

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DickTick 1 point ago +1 / -0

Anyone who thinks that any one of those judges is going to side with Trump 100% of the time is a fucking fool

Hell I don't even want them to necessarily side with him 100% of the time. I want them to do their job and interpret the law from a constitutionalist originalist standpoint and absolutely nothing about that means that they will agree with Trump 100% of the time........

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Djonpow 6 points ago +6 / -0

DEBOOOONKED.....Debunk.

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PunishedSnek 4 points ago +4 / -0

REDDITOR HERE

I can't believe people are still saying this. It has been DEBOOOOOOOOOOOONKED

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DeboonkedFact 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have been summoned

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Djonpow 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes...do your debooonkiest madlad.

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footinmouth 6 points ago +6 / -0

As someone who works in this field I have exposure to these cells so much.

I am 100% against using cells from elective abortion. I won't use them in my research or help others in research using these, which has harmed my career.

We have so many cells from healthy donor adults who died of accidents, and for 99% of experiments we do not need to use fetal cells and healthy adult primary cells can be used. The main argument that people use for these is that they typically do not have a bunch of random endogenous viruses that people get through life, but again 99% of the time that doesn't effect the experiment.

It is an issue of consent for me, the murder cannot give consent to use the victim.

For the SMALL amount of experiments that actually need fetal cells, they can compete for donations of fetal cells from non-elective abortions. The fetal stem cells are also a non-issue as they can be obtained en masse from cord blood samples and placenta.

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Skogin 0 points ago +1 / -1

After two decades of academic laboratory experience, I’ve changed my mind entirely. Combining the expense, the waste, and the uncertainty due to error, what’s the value?

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/pdf/pmed.0020124.pdf

Experiments are only “needed” or “necessary” for the rat race of publication, research funding, and career advancement. Just heap more data on the pile.

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Lol_Garrus 6 points ago +6 / -0

They "debunk" him in the title but then "rebunk" him in the article.

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x79q3pb 4 points ago +4 / -0

Knowing that their readers only read the headline. Lowest level manipulation at play.

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jealousminarchist 2 points ago +2 / -0

More like 1 in 5 can read the headline and then tell the ones that can't read what it says.

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OrangeFruitGood 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm gonna start using that term, "rebunked", whenever they prove something they tried to disprove.

And "reeeeebunk" when it particularly upsets them.

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Stanwyk74 5 points ago +5 / -0

Sickening this was upheld.

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Alienus 5 points ago +5 / -0

Dutchman here! Allow me to provide some extra facts! :)

  • Cells obtained from Dutch 'fetuses' in the 70's were in fact probably viable/late pregnancy babies; the HEKC culture, Human Embrionic Kidney cells take some time to harvest and cannot be harvested from a corpse.
  • These cells were used to test as the cell lines dating directly back to these cells, were used to let the virus replicate.
  • Extra fun fact: many of the vaccines kids get as part of national vaccination programs still contain some of these cells, as they are "attenuated" (weakened) version of the viruses. Meaning many of us got parts of dead babies injected, sacrificed in the name of science and our 'protection'.

Bonus facts:

  • In the 70s there was a legalization of abortion in the Netherlands. Sadly, even catholic priests at that time thought it was a good idea if "the mother's life otherwise was in danger". A potential source of danger would be a future mother saying somethign like "I don't know how I can continue living like this, or how to manage".

  • Child-sacrifice and the burrying of dead babies inside the walls of Babylon was thought to keep that city safe.

  • Vaccines, while often effective at reducing the mortality from the disease being innoculated against... unfortunately seem to result in an increased overal mortality of a factor of 10. This means that "vaccines in general" seem to kill far more people than they help.

  • I was an atheist and pro-vaccines prior to corona, and found Jesus shortly after emigrating to Norway. You need Jesus. God bless you all.

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SordidPontification 2 points ago +2 / -0

Bonus bonus facts:

The JNJ and AstraZeneca COVID vaccines, which use adenoviruses, are manufactured (read: replicated) using these lines.

So, for the article to make the claim that they're used strictly in testing is itself also wrong!

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jealousminarchist 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yea but they kind of took some leeway with "in the US" to mean Pfizer's mRNA type; and if I recall correctly, AstraZeneca is all but withdrawn from the market due to clotting.

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Skogin 1 point ago +2 / -1

Bless you too, Dutchman!

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captain-shitpost 1 point ago +2 / -1

the HEK cell line was taken from a baby that was born alive through c-section, and then tortured while still alive to remove and preserve all the parts. it's an abomination.

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Tbonius45maximus 5 points ago +5 / -0

An offering was still made to Malloch for health and prosperity with an aborted baby.

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GEOTUSMAGA 5 points ago +5 / -0

So many conflicting statements in a single image.

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Meddlesom 4 points ago +4 / -0

So it's true, but they don't like that it's true, so it's false.

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superp321 3 points ago +3 / -0

Rebunked

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RaberContour 3 points ago +3 / -0

Clarence said 'derived from' not created, so the fact checker is just outright lying

False fact checkers should get jail time

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boomerbutnotOKBoomer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wizard of Oz level material -- PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!

Things are unraveling so fast for the DS that I'm gonna need to make an excel spread sheet to keep track!

It's a helluva time to be alive!

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TaxDollarsHardAtWork 2 points ago +3 / -1

a common practice in vaccine testing.

Translation: all vaccines are made this way.

Fun Fact: PepsiCo uses similar fetal cell "testing" in the production of its flavoring for its products.

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MetalRiddle 2 points ago +2 / -0

Deboonked is just another word for true.

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Bullet3250 2 points ago +2 / -0

I debunk your debunk with my own debunk!

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sustainable_saltmine 2 points ago +2 / -0

DEBOOOONKED!
Achkshually a lot of vaccines and injectable treatments ARE made with fillers, aborted fetal cells and toxic chemicals

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aboardthegravyboat 2 points ago +2 / -0

He was quoting the plaintiffs complaint.

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heightnoise 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's because they don't distinguish between "created with" and "product of testing with". Not that there's any difference, but because they're ideologically abhorrent

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Chosimbaone 2 points ago +2 / -0

They're playing with the facts. It's true that there aren't baby stem cells actually IN the vaccine. However we use fetal clones (cells from dead babies) to TEST vaccines and all sorts of things. So it's factual, but not truthful.

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Psyk0Tripp 2 points ago +2 / -0

I never got the vaccine. Shit hurt people I know and one even died but...

Lots of medications were used using this. They're cloned cells used for testing. None of it is in the medication like many believe. Nice excuse for religious exceptions though. I refuse to use any excuse like religious exemption. My excuse is "No".

No is the answer anyone should use otherwise you're playing their game and they will find another way.

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Justlooking250 2 points ago +2 / -0

EVEN IF IT WAS OR WASNT, WE DON'T WANT IT. FUCK THE BULLSHIT MANDATE. Thats the bottom line, dont like it ? Stay home if you're scared. We've had enough. 2 weeks to flatten the curve turned into 2 years of communism and statism were done

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BringTheCat789 2 points ago +2 / -0

"Clarence Thomas says COVID vaccines were developed using cells of aborted children, but that's debunked because, while they were developed using cells of aborted fetuses, we insist that he was implying that they contain cells of aborted fetuses, also we insist that fetuses are not children."

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downwithuppish 2 points ago +2 / -0

The point is they're freaking out over people thinking they might contain aborted fetus cells. Why? Because the abortion industry knows they'd be burnt to the ground if people knew what they got up to and started asking questons about what happens to the babies.

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magafren 2 points ago +2 / -0

DEEEEEEBOOOOOONKED

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Medtex1 2 points ago +2 / -0

My exemption was granted due to this...

they want to argue "created" using vs "developed" using like it's some difference.

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RealRedneck 2 points ago +2 / -0

They're justices, not biologists. 🤷‍♂️

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sir_rockness 2 points ago +2 / -0

DEBOOOOONKKED!!!

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T_DforTrump2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Those two things don't mean the same thing, I don't think. Sounds like they tested it on the aborted baby cells, not crested the vaccine from them. I could be wrong though. I'm on vacation until Tuesday, so I turned my brain off.

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DisbandTheCIA 1 point ago +1 / -0

Liberals who don't understand the issue: "lol these dumb rednecks dont even understand the issue"

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Reclaimer69 1 point ago +1 / -0

These idiotic wordsmiths...

Debunking the claim that the shot was made with the cell line, when clearly it's not an ingredient, but a step in the testing phase. This stuff is going to bite all the news agencies in the butt soon. They can't get away with this doublespeaking forever.

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CnnWillBlackmailYou 1 point ago +1 / -0

See, our products aren't CREATED by torturing small animals. Our products are created and THEN we torture small animals during testing. So it's perfectly okay! Don't worry about it! Our products are definitely not CREATED by torturing small animals!

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deez-nutz 1 point ago +1 / -0

These consistent attacks on Clarence Thomas are rooted in white supremacy.

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Ghostof_PatrickHenry 1 point ago +1 / -0

No wonder they keep calling him the N word.

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chahn1138 1 point ago +1 / -0

That is the basis for my Exception at work.

THANKS FOR NOTHING

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hillaryforprison 1 point ago +1 / -0

It happened SO SO long ago that its now okay now to inject random abortion substances in your body that will injure and maybe kill you.

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LWGII 1 point ago +1 / -0

So, if it were true, it would be "bunked." It has to be bunked before it can be debunked.

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OK_Citizen 1 point ago +1 / -0

Journalism. It’s dead, Jim.

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ParticleCannon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Company disoriented at the end of pride month accidentally reboonks a deboonk

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Light_HIV_Effect 1 point ago +1 / -0

Are they really parsing words create/made to mean tested or contains?

These aren't fact checks, they are some neckbeard saying "well ackshually"

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Joshua2001 1 point ago +1 / -0

They keep saying this is debunked but the Johnson and Johnson Vaccine is made using aborted fetal cells. It may not have the fetal cells in it but every dose is made using them. This isn't just the testing phase, at least for the J&J Vaccine.

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VoteRepublicanAgain 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yet another reason not to take that shit.

Sadly my entire Trump Supporting family has taken it except for me. Proud to be a white Christian conservative pure-blood man who likes women!

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BloodAngel 1 point ago +1 / -0

DEBOOOONKED!