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vote_for_MAGA_2020 112 points ago +118 / -6

Anyone buying an EV for towing is a dumbass. EV is ok as a daily driver to and from your local job if the infrastructure is available. But pulling a trailer on a road trip…nope.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 100 points ago +104 / -4

In other words, an EV pickup truck is worthless as a pickup truck.

Pretty expensive grocery getter, isn't it?

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ManlyFirmness 29 points ago +39 / -10

A vast majority of pickups are used as grocery getters. Even my wife’s - although at 40 mpg I don’t mind. But if I need to tow something or carry something larger than studs I just pick up an F250 from work.

If I didn’t have access to real trucks I probably would stay away from an EV truck.

If I bought an EV it would probably be for the purpose of keeping some capability to refuel off grid using solar. That’s about the only real benefit I see. I do think a lot of the hybrid technology out is cost effective.

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TrumpoWon2020 35 points ago +38 / -3

Then buy a cheaper EV car. The entire point of a pickup is hauling loads or towing. If it can't do that then it's pointless and a waste of money.

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KingMob 21 points ago +23 / -2

Bought a used electric that was coming off a lease, with 9k miles, as a daily commuter. Charge at home, late night at the lowest rate. With a single person in the car, costs about 2.5 cents a mile to run (for the power alone). We have found the insurance is higher. Car cost us 10k to buy, before the plandemic, it would sell for 18k now. It is small, 500e and is a death trap, but it is fast and has been trouble free. My wife likes it and is easy to park downtown. Couldn't give a shit about some mythical belief of saving the planet, it was just one of the cheapest cars to purchase and drive on a daily basis with a commute under 30 miles. We use it on the weekend for Costco runs, which saves on gas and prevents from buying too much.

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TheDTOMDon 8 points ago +8 / -0

I leased one in 2015 and loved it. The lease payment was just under $100 a month and it saved me $250 in gas. Quiet little car was nice on the drive home and being able to turn on the ac before I got in was nice.

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Basedsliceofwinning 6 points ago +6 / -0

You got a lease for $100 a month? How?

I believe you. I'm just generally retarded when it comes to buy vs lease of cars. I just buy whatever 1 year old model of Chevy when I need one.

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HawkDriverMN 3 points ago +3 / -0

Generally from a trade in that has residual value, or paying a decent size down payment.

Both can reduce the lease monthly payment.

But at the end of 40 months (or whatever the term is) you get the opportunity to buy it on another 60 month payment plan.

Leasing sucks.

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TheDTOMDon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Back in 2015 they were practically giving them away. There was a group of lease hackers who found a combination of incentives and discounts made a crazy low payment. Mine was on the high side, some guys got as low as $70 a month. Mine was a fully loaded sport with the sunroof. The sunroof was so nice on a coastal summer night.

I would have bought it out at the end of the lease but they wouldn’t cut me a deal. I went to buy a used one private party a few years ago and they were $7k. I should have pulled the trigger, they go for $20k now that gas is stupid.

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KingMob 1 point ago +1 / -0

In 2017, we leased a new sky blue Fiat 500e for 3500 down and 79 a month. The the state of California gave us a tax credit of 2500. That was a 1000 down and 79 month for 3 years. Dodge lost 10k on every car, just so the could sell their trucks in the state. It was an amazing deal.

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mobgrazer 4 points ago +4 / -0

I inherited a prius when my parents died...the car battery failed at around 90,000 miles, the battery replacement exceeded the value of the car. It then became a disposal problem. I donated it to get rid of the problem, it sold at auction for a couple hundred bucks.

edit: Until a significant percent of EV batteries show they last 20 years I wouldn't touch an EV

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johnny96816 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is the kind of reasoning I'll stand behind every time. u/KingMob did research and all factors fit his/his wife's use.

One question, what will you do when the battery needs replaced?

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KingMob 2 points ago +2 / -0

At the price we paid the car, it we get 25000 miles out it, it is still a good deal. This is our second Fiat, the first was a lease, and put 23k miles on it after 3 years, and gave it back. We looked around for a new car but kept going back to that Fiat, it was just perfect for the cost. We found one in the color she wanted with a moon roof. We could have paid less, I saw 3 year old cars like the one we handed back going for 7k, we paid 10k for one with 9k miles. It now has 25k, no issues but it is hard on tires, it is heavy for small car. I have seen used 500e with 80k miles. There in a 10 year 100k warranty on the battery from the manufacturer. I know people have had issues with Fiats, but that has been with the gas cars, especially the automatics. The electric drive was produced by Bosch and from what I have read seems to be a good design with few problems. Once the battery goes, I'm hoping there might be an after market pack available with better range, you never know.

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johnny96816 2 points ago +2 / -0

As with the other, you've done research....and have a plan. I figure the wife will keep you around for a bit and then some more. :)

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TrumpoWon2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

You don't enough beef and brauts then.

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ManlyFirmness 4 points ago +18 / -14

I get it, but fact is almost no one who buys a truck uses it to tow. The Ford marketing department knows that.

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LorettasKankles 14 points ago +15 / -1

Idk about that..

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Nerdrem1 3 points ago +3 / -0

I started working in construction when I was 18, got my first truck around the same time. In the following 18 years I've pulled a trailer maybe twice. I'm not afraid of doing it and I'm not actively avoiding it, I just legitimately haven't needed a trailer except for those two times. I don't have a boat or any toys like that, and if I need more materials than can fit in my truck it's a lot more convenient to have it delivered rather than getting a trailer, loading it, and unloading it.

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ManlyFirmness 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pretty much the same. I pulled various trailers every day at work for a decade.

I’m not sure if I have ever pulled a trailer outside of work. I’m sure I did once or twice but it’s been a very long time. I rented a box van to move.

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trump4045 -6 points ago +6 / -12

You must not live in the south where rednecks virtue signal with them.

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SouthernParadise 9 points ago +9 / -0

The only idiots I see down here in the south virtue signaling with a truck are the ones who put led lights under the running boards, hydraulics, and 40” rims and low pro tires. The majority of us “rednecks” use our trucks for work and hauling. I haul large horse trailers and a boat. I use my f-150 to haul hay and wood. So F off with your stereotyping of people in the south.

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PraiseBeToScience 0 points ago +5 / -5

Virtue signal isn't the right word. Peacocking is what it is. They're nothing more than redneck status symbols. I knew a guy in Idaho who got pissed when I scratched his Rhino Liner, I was like "that's what it's fucking for".

My inky dinky Rav4 has seen more off-road abuse and scratches and hauling in two years than most trucks see their entire lives.

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ManlyFirmness -4 points ago +3 / -7

Exactly. 90% never tow anything.

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jeepbeersleep 6 points ago +6 / -0

all the thousands of travel trailers per hr on the interstate are self propelled. or maybe some people do tow

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PraiseBeToScience 5 points ago +5 / -0

Did you see Toyota's new EV they're teasing? They're reviving the FJ Cruiser but it's fucking electric. Literally nobody who wants a vehicle for trail or off-road utility or camping is insane enough to use an EV for that. But Toyota knows that all these off-road utility vehicles are primarily sold to worthless women who want something big to feel rich and safe while they drive to Starbucks.

EDIT: look up the 2024 Compact Cruiser EV.

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NewNameIguess 3 points ago +3 / -0

Honestly an EV offroader doesn't sound that bad, the main issue is just that they're going full electric rather including a generator and making it a hybrid but I suppose that's due to some bullshit legislation which favors EVs over hybrids

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Tendies_or_GTFO 0 points ago +1 / -1

I'd look into an EV off-roader if I could reasonably charge it via solar power. That might make it useful.

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TrumpoWon2020 2 points ago +3 / -1

But buy a car then.

I just don't get irrational decisions. Im very pragmatic. I don't care if every neighbor has one and they all talk about it during the neighborhood barbeque. There has literally only been a single event in my entire life where I needed a pickup bed and realistically we could have used the top of the small SUV that has a cargo rack.

You could buy a brand new sports car for the price of an electric pickup. And you can actually use that for what it's designed for daily at any red light or stop sign if you choose.

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telan 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's why I daily a FiST that I bought new. It was cheaper, faster, better equipped, and MUCH more fun than even the base Escape on the lot at the time. I moved and basically lived out of the thing for almost a year (fled the hellscape that is Oregon, and yes, I took my guns with me).

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TrumpoWon2020 0 points ago +0 / -0

This one?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M981_FISTV

That's bad ass dude! Far better than shitty electric bullshit!

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NewNameIguess 2 points ago +2 / -0

There has literally only been a single event in my entire life where I needed a pickup bed and realistically we could have used the top of the small SUV that has a cargo rack.

SUVs are basically just fully enclosed pickups, honestly I'd argue that they're slightly less practical than a pick up just due to the fact that most SUVs have a carpeted floor in the back and no solid wall separating the trunk from the passenger compartment which makes cleaning much more involved than a simple hose down.

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TrumpoWon2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

I said small one. It's the size of a hatchback or minivan essentially.

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ManlyFirmness 1 point ago +3 / -2

I agree.

I’m just pointing out that towing ability is a non issue for 75%+ of the truck market.

Ford is pragmatic too. They sell dumb shit to willing buyers and make lots of cash.

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TrumpoWon2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nothing against ford for following the market. I just think it's silly for consumers to consooooooom just because it exists.

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slangin_paint 1 point ago +1 / -0

Come on, man. They are great for picking up pallets of pillows.

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TrumpoWon2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pallets of squish mallows? Count me in!

Squishy mellows are basically egg shaped pillows but as stuffed animals.

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stratocaster_patriot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Dude you'd be amazed at how many monster trucks are driven by accountants to work every day even in a place like Seattle area. I call that "all hat, no cattle". Something wrong with a man that thinks he needs a truck to be a man. Something wrong with a woman who thinks she needs to be just like a man that thinks he needs a truck to be a man.

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telan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Acquaintance of mine, to a damn tee. He works FROM HOME yet still bought a $70,000 AT4.

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Holyscmoly 1 point ago +1 / -0

In CA it’s also important for safety. When all the drunk Mexicans are driving trucks as well the best protection you have is a large crumple zone like that if a truck.

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NeverGiveUpTrump 13 points ago +13 / -0

Honestly, hybrid technology is where it’s at. You could get the performance of a Tesla plaid and the gas mileage of a Prius if done right.

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bclautz 9 points ago +9 / -0

Yes you are using kinetic energy and recovery it. Great for stop and go traffic

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PraiseBeToScience 3 points ago +3 / -0

And the battery banks were cheaper and easier to maintain since the were NiMH.

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NewNameIguess 3 points ago +3 / -0

I don't know about car scale but RC scale LiPo and NiHM batteries have evened out enough in price per performance to a degree that you'll often find price overlap. The difference is the Nickle based batteries are many times heavier as well as bulkier, they don't hold a charge as well, and I would also say that from my experience they really aren't much better if at all than liPos in terms of aging. The higher discharge capability of liPos would also mean that you'd be able to get the same peak acceleration as a much higher capacity nickel battery.

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SkullE 1 point ago +1 / -0

Also NiMH batteries degradation is a curve downward. Where as LiPO's hold their charge almost at 100% until they die.

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1n5aN3 5 points ago +6 / -1

Just fyi that most hybrids have almost no batteries. What you are talking about is called a “plug-in hybrid”. They have enough battery for most commutes, then have the hybrid engine allowing further travel when you want it.

And I agree. If I wanted one, that would be the way to go.

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Godred_Crovan 11 points ago +11 / -0

Try a diesel Volkswagen Golf for your wife. I get 65mpg out of mine and it's nearly 18 years old.

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ManlyFirmness 7 points ago +7 / -0

She’s heterosexual

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Godred_Crovan 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm not sure how driving a diesel Golf, or something similar, would make her a lesbian? German cars are pretty good quality, up there with Japanese cars and the fuel efficiency is crazy. Lots of cheap after market parts as well from scrap vehicles and loads of non-OEM made parts. Plenty of room in them too for you wife to do grocery runs as well.

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ManlyFirmness 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was just just giving you a hard time sir. Also, good morning.

She wanted a small pickup. Why? Your guess is as good as mine, but i don’t mind. So far I’ve actually used it to carry bags of dirt, studs, etc.

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Godred_Crovan 2 points ago +2 / -0

No worries fella. My mum owns three cars but only actually needs one, makes no sense

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fazaman 2 points ago +2 / -0

Can't get a diesel vw, or even a golf in the US anymore (new, that is). GTI? Sure. Regular golf? Nope!

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Godred_Crovan 1 point ago +1 / -0

I didn't realise. Not even an old model from the 2000s?

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Trumpftw2024 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yea anything pre 2016 is available, i have a 15 tdi thats 55-60 mpg on highway and 35-40 city with tons of torque its a fun car

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fazaman 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh, no. You can get used ones... Kinda. I think they gave people such sweet deals as part of the dieselgate settlement that almost no one kept them, though.

... I just looked it up, and apparently VW bought back something like 400,000 of them, and planned to fix the emissions systems, then resell them through VW dealers.

Haven't really found info on how successful they were at reselling them, though. There might be a bunch out there, given that, so might be a good deal!

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 4 points ago +4 / -0

I'd say that a lot of them are, but a lot of them are bought to occasionally haul a RV trailer, boat, or other oversized toy. I live in a somewhat remote rural area; I found out real quick that a truck isn't just a nice-to-have out here, it's a need-to-have. However, you don't tow or haul every day, even out here - maybe once a week. I think that only someone in the trades or using it for logistics would tow/haul every day.

You couldn't pay me enough to buy an EV truck right now though. Fuck that noise.

A small and light EV is also useless out here in the sticks, though. electricity is too expensive out here, and the roads in winter would destroy a Tesla pretty quick.

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trump1aj 3 points ago +3 / -0

My Colorado fits my hockey bag and sticks. Love the compact truck, love the price too. Until I get a boat I have no need to upgrade

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Henry_Cuntmantle 4 points ago +4 / -0

You have to wonder if THIS is what Elon found out that made him cancel the cyber truck...?

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nautilus 1 point ago +2 / -1

Elon didn't cancel the Cybertruck. They have 1.5 million pre-orders. They are starting production later than they'd like due to supply chain issues, and needing to ramp up Fremont, Austin, Berlin and Shanghai due to OUTRAGEOUS DEMAND for 3 and Y.

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GainesvilleFlorida 3 points ago +3 / -0

This so stupid. There are plenty of reasons to have an open bed in a vehicle that gets 40min city.

Even some young guy developing a power washing company or light carpentry could be great. Then there’s lugging bicycles and kayaks.

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caKAG 2 points ago +3 / -1

EV are great for Exporting Emissions out of cities. An EV Truck with than range could only used in Urban Areas as a U-Haul. Until Battery Technology improves to give EV better range and faster charging they are good as commuter vehicles to urban areas.

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LorettasKankles 2 points ago +2 / -0

Might as well go get a Mazda b-1k

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vegeta_ban 13 points ago +15 / -2

I will eventually grab the cybertruck if the battery provides 500 mile range like it was announced to have. But I would never expect to be able to tow campers and the like like a normal ICE engine. Batteries just don’t have enough energy density yet.

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vegeta_ban 6 points ago +7 / -1

I will not eat ze bugz

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catsfive 1 point ago +1 / -0

YOU WILL TOW NOTHING

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PM_ME_UR_MAGIC_CARDS 2 points ago +3 / -1

Yeah Cybertruck got me very interested. We'll see though, it's probably going to be stupid expensive.

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Henry_Cuntmantle 0 points ago +1 / -1

It was canceled, last I heard.

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PM_ME_UR_MAGIC_CARDS 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not cancelled, just in production hell. It won't be out until mid-late next year at earliest, but they are very committed to bringing it to market.

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nautilus 0 points ago +1 / -1

It will hit the 40, 50, 70 price brackets. The thing with the Cybertruck is it will take less than 1/3 the production time of the F150: Stamp out the body and frame with one machine; no paint shop; speed-cast the front and rear bulkheads. Battery costs should drop by 1/3 in the next year. And it will retain at least 30% margins, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 40%.

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PM_ME_UR_MAGIC_CARDS 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm thinking quite a bit higher. They originally were going to sell the base model for $40k and I was very interested at that price. All the inflation + all the demand for all their other cars pushing deliveries half a year out, you can guarantee it will not be cheaper than the base Model 3. I think they want to make a strong case for an electric truck, so they aren't going to pull any punches. The Cybertruck will wipe the floor with its EV truck competitors.

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NewNameIguess 1 point ago +1 / -0

500 miles isn't much when you consider how far that will be knocked down when towing. Lets say you're only towing something that weighs the same amount as the truck, then you're down to 250, say that the battery is a decade old and then you're down to 125 mile range.

Now take all of those numbers and cut them in half for a round trip and take 20% off that range for a safe margin of error incase you use more power than estimated and you're left with a fifty mile travel radius

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vegeta_ban 1 point ago +1 / -0

It would suffice for my needs, but your move may vary. My main need is the ramp for my mom’s wheelchair. The current ramp on the outside isn’t working due to the salt in winter and it rusting like hell.

I wouldn’t need to tow often, but if I did I would just use my dad’s normal truck.

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Huntercole 8 points ago +9 / -1

The cybertruck is supposed to get 500 miles of range and 250 miles while towing (half) which is more like it’s gasoline counter parts, that’s if you mind driving something that looks like it’s out of a halo video game. I would still feel a lot more comfortable in a truck that takes gasoline especially driving across country.

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Tejas_Pepe 2 points ago +3 / -1

But how long does it take to recharge it?

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NewNameIguess 1 point ago +1 / -0

500 miles isn't much when you consider how far that will be knocked down when towing. Lets say you're only towing something that weighs the same amount as the truck, then you're down to 250, say that the battery is a decade old and then you're down to 125 mile range.

Now take all of those numbers and cut them in half for a round trip and take 20% off that range for a safe margin of error incase you use more power than estimated and you're left with a fifty mile travel radius

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MR_ROBOT1776 5 points ago +5 / -0

That’s definitely the state of it. If I’m being realistic though, I wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually become more efficient than gas. EVs used to be a joke when it came to torque and HP as well.

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

I truly hope they do. I’m not against EV technology. My only concern is how to dispose of or recycle the batteries. That’s a waste problem that’s new. I’m sure there’s a plan for that.

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MR_ROBOT1776 2 points ago +2 / -0

Very true. Pretty much every piece of tech we have uses a toxic battery that burns ridiculously hot if ignited and needs taken somewhere just like old oil. If a truck only goes 85 miles when towing on a whole charge and the charger is powered by coal, I’m not sure how this is about the environment at this time. Hopefully the incentive causes a ton of innovation but right now it seems like Dems are being irresponsible because of kickbacks.

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

I believe the theory is that it would be more efficient if we pulled the energy needed for our vehicles from the electric grid. I won’t get into the specifics, but generally I’m sure that’s true, I just don’t know by how much. I will say, eventually we will have to start using nuclear power, in which case things will really get better.

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boataholic 1 point ago +2 / -1

The plan will probably work fine in California. But in the middle of the USA where the parts dealer sees one of your flavor every six months, there is going to be a huge shipping premium for battery replacements.

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

That is correct. The transition won’t happen overnight. It’ll take years to get there.

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nautilus 1 point ago +2 / -1

There is a plan for those batteries, and most will actually be used for power storage. Within 5 years batteries won't fail before the rest of the car. Probably 1 million miles with 3% degradation... it's coming.

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 1 point ago +2 / -1

I believe that EV is good technology to invest in and research. I really do. We just aren’t at good place yet. But we are definitely getting there and I’m not against it, at all.

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I_am_the_glowie 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not even that. Especially if you live in area with snow. The defroster cuts miles in half.

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Good point 👌🏻

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K-Harbour 37 points ago +39 / -2

“EV’s suck”. — just like they did in 1917.

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MrSir 13 points ago +13 / -0

Even then they were for getting groceries.

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MrSir 2 points ago +2 / -0

Back in the day the cool electrics were for women to get to town.

They were easy to drive and didnt require a huge amount of technical know how to use. J lenos garage show had one on. I do not remember which episode it was, but the algorithm took me there after watching his steam cars.

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NewNameIguess 4 points ago +4 / -0

If you went back a few decades before that they weren't so bad compared to the rest of the options of the time.

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BunnyPicnic 28 points ago +40 / -12

In the construction industry, there's a big push for electric tools as well. I've seen electric power puggies and battery powered mini jack hammers. A battery pack is never going to beat a pneumatic Jack hammer. The only place batteries are better is with impacts and certain tools, like a jigsaw. Battery powered sawzalls get too hot and vibrate the battery pack loose. Has anyone tried charging batteries in July? Doesn't fucking work. What about January? Doesn't fucking work.

If I see a person using a battery powered weed eater or mower, I know they voted for Biden, wear a mask to the store, and likely have some pedo tendencies.

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ManlyFirmness 51 points ago +51 / -0

Depends on the tool. Klaus Shaub didn’t make me buy a battery leaf blower - it was $99 and does the job good enough.

I also used to sweep my house with it, but then I got married and bought furniture.

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TrumpoWon2020 14 points ago +15 / -1

Leaf blowers don't carry a load. Those are one of the few tools that work electrically.

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OrenthalGMudbone 12 points ago +12 / -0

Yeah the corded leaf blower I've used a few times to blow shit off my mom's roof is surprisingly awesome. Big fan - the thing weighs half as much as the 2 stroke and is 90% less bullshit to deal with.

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T_DforTrump2020 7 points ago +7 / -0

"Big fan". Haha!

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OrenthalGMudbone 8 points ago +8 / -0

Lol, damn it. I even typed that I was "blown away" by how well it worked and erased it because the inadvertent pun was so lame.

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MAGASQUAD 3 points ago +3 / -0

My FIL has the dewalt 60v leaf blower and its junk. Battery dies super fast. I have a Stihl gas powered one and its way better.

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TrumpoWon2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh, so even leaf blowers suck with batteries.

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Constitutionalist_73 9 points ago +9 / -0

kek!

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captain-shitpost -2 points ago +2 / -4

does your wife let you watch from the corner when tyrone comes over? or do you have to stand in the closet?

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ManlyFirmness 3 points ago +3 / -0

Lol you let your wife buy furniture! SIMP!

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invalid_data 28 points ago +29 / -1

Ehh lawn tools the batteries make them very convenient for quick maintenance if you don't have a massive lawn. Personally I got a battery mower because it's very quiet, I needed a way to mow at dusk or early when people might be sleeping....like the wife.

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agremlinintheworks 3 points ago +3 / -0

I did the same before I moved somewhere with a larger yard. Bought a little battery mower and it took me all of about 30m to mow the entire thing. It was convenient to never have to run out and buy gas before mowing. Gave it to a friend after I moved and bought a gas powered rider.

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thehumbleme 1 point ago +1 / -0

It’s not yet reasonably priced, but the EGO ride on is absolutely amazing. It can very well replace a gas powered rider if you have up to 3 acres.

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telan 2 points ago +2 / -0

We have just enough grass around our place that a battery powered weed eater does it all several times on a charge. Just take it outside and go. No setup needed.

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BunnyPicnic -31 points ago +5 / -36

So wife runs the house? Do you wear gloves and hearing protection too?

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Redditcensorsyouandi 26 points ago +26 / -0

A good pair of work gloves is essential

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I_Used_to_be_me 14 points ago +15 / -1

I'm incredibly quiet when my wife is sleeping as to not wake her, and I expect her to be equally as quiet when I'm sleeping. It's called 'not being an asshole'

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TrumpoWon2020 13 points ago +13 / -0

A good pair of electric hearing muffs with music is essential.

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MachoMadness 5 points ago +5 / -0

Tinnitus isn't fun. I would definitely recommend hearing protection.

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Friar_Pede 21 points ago +22 / -1

Hey bud my light duty battery powered hedge trimmer works great.

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referencevariable 19 points ago +19 / -0

My weed eater is battery. Expensive DeWalt. HIGHLY recommend it. No more two-stokes in my house except my chainsaw!

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wartooth6 15 points ago +15 / -0

Also have electric trimmer, it kicks ass. Also worked the trades, everyone switched to electric power tools long ago.
Thus, OP is kinda gay.

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Huntercole 6 points ago +6 / -0

DeWalt is way ahead of the competition. That’s the only power tools I use. Way lighter and way longer battery range. It’s amazing the difference compared to other brands.

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Cmon 6 points ago +6 / -0

I have the eGo trimmer, lawn edger and leaf blower. They work great for me and I don't have to worry about maintaining a bunch of two stroke engine tools. 10/10 recommend battery tools for residential lawn care.

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thehumbleme 3 points ago +3 / -0

I prefer the EGO chainsaw. It’s quick, easy, and again no maintenance. Unless you’re a professional, I see absolutely no reason to go gas, even for moderate use.

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TheCandorist 3 points ago +3 / -0

My 40v Ryobi is doing the job well. Especially with the oversized battery. I was simply too tired of engine maintenance every season on the gas powered one.

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TonsOfSalt 11 points ago +11 / -0

If I see a person using a battery powered weed eater or mower

I took one of those old shitty electric mowers and put a large lithium pack where the lead acid battery used to be. Just attached the leads to the terminals and it was good to go. Waaaaaaay better than gas. Tons of power, no maintenance, can mow my lawn twice on a charge if I wanted to push it.

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Maga2020Maga2020 21 points ago +22 / -1

Worse yet, lets assume they somehow become AWESOME in 2-3 years.

We do not have the grid that can support them at all.

Simple fucking math, they will not work.

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Cmon 6 points ago +6 / -0

You're absolutely right. The CEO of Toyota has made this point repeatedly on justifying their hydrogen bets. However, if I had to guess, they don't want the grid to handle this outside of charging stations. They are going to push everyone to visit the same convenience/fuel stations that they do today.

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Pravda 2 points ago +2 / -0

Oil companies love wind and solar, they pretty much guarantee their survival. You need a consistent power you can ratchet up when there’s not enough wind or solar. They get to continue selling their services at a marketable premium for emergencies. It’s like getting paid to do your 40 hour a week job for a couple hours a week instead when shit breaks.

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coinneach007 2 points ago +2 / -0

That of course they are getting a cut of.

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Jerome 1 point ago +1 / -0

Energy centers is what i’ve seen their gonna call them

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Shamb3 2 points ago +2 / -0

Don't worry we will probably use up all the easy to get to "rare" earth minerals by then, so we won't have any good batteries. :D

More seriously, I hope that isn't true, because I love battery powered tools.

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cyberrigger 1 point ago +1 / -0

battery powered tools aren't the problem

that pile of dead batteries is

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Maga2020Maga2020 8 points ago +8 / -0

It takes decades to do it with all the red tape.

No way they pull it off.

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BoberFett 2 points ago +2 / -0

Does that include upgrading every 70-100 year old neighborhood where every home has a 100amp, or worse, 60 amp panel? Grid modernization to the point where everyone can charge an EV at home is going to take decades. And the price of copper isn't going down...

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OneAboveAll 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can charge on a 120v, better if you have a 240v. People will have to go to charging stations, just like they go to gas stations. Charging is going to have to happen quicker too.

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OneAboveAll 1 point ago +1 / -0

You don't need that. You can charge from a 20 amp and be fine.

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stratocaster_patriot 1 point ago +1 / -0

And by then they will start forcing you into public transit and self-driving.

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Ex-libtard 15 points ago +19 / -4

Electric vehicles are not robust

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TonsOfSalt -9 points ago +11 / -20

In what way? The maintenance schedule of a gas car is universally worse. I can see if you live where it is constantly below freezing and you don't have a garage to charge the EV where it would be a bad choice, but there are benefits and drawbacks to both platforms. The amount of wear items on gas cars is annoying. Oil changes are annoying. Brake jobs are annoying. Etc

Loving the downvotes. The butthurt is real, but it doesn't change reality.

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masterdrake 15 points ago +18 / -3

Spending 20k to replace batteries is annoying

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TonsOfSalt 2 points ago +9 / -7

I agree. I'm glad that Tesla's are designed to last 300k-500k miles and have a drivetrain warranty for 8 years and 120k miles. It's about 3x better than the warranty that almost every major ICE car manufacturer offers.

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PM_ME_UR_MAGIC_CARDS 5 points ago +8 / -3

I really do not understand why some here hate electric vehicles. It's a fucking appliance on wheels... does anyone get this impassioned about gas vs electric dryers? Stoves?

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markolbb 6 points ago +7 / -1

I've always been a huge car guy and don't get why people hate so much on electric. The instant acceleration and torque are rad. They're quick, they're quiet, they often have the best technology, etc. I will always love ICE vehicles too but there is room for both in the world. More options is better

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BoberFett 3 points ago +3 / -0

I think the pushback is because the corrupt assholes running the world don't want people to have options. They want to eliminate the ICE, even though it is demonstrably better for many tasks.

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PraiseBeToScience 4 points ago +4 / -0

Anybody who likes cooking will be passionate about gas ranges and how shit electric ones are.

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Pravda 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am passionate about cooking and prefer electric ranges now having used one. Easier clean up.

The oven takes longer to heat up than a gas oven though.

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SHALL_NOT 1 point ago +1 / -0

I recently learned of induction stovetops that apparently put gas ranges to shame.

Induction tops actually turn the entire pot/pan into the heating element and provide the most even heat, and the fastest and most precise temperature control. Plus, no combustion byproducts indoors.

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PraiseBeToScience 1 point ago +1 / -0

Even heat, yes, but temperature control on induction sucks. Unless they have changed they usually do a cycle on/cycle off which makes gauging applied heat difficult, because "how hot is setting 7?" is always an issue, where as you can just look at a burner flame. Induction also tends to really hold heat, wheras gas is instant off. Boil a pot of water on gas and electric and turn off the gas, boiling stops almost instantly on gas but tends to persist on electric because the induction element retains so much thermal energy.

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magaspif 2 points ago +2 / -0

because it assumes you can afford a second vehicle. most normal people want ONE car to do everything. the luxury of owning an ev as a second vehicle is just not realistic. living in an apartment complex (which many do) makes it a no brainer right now (ev is just not a realistic option for your only vehicle).

When you do the actual math, a second car that is an EV is a waste of money no matter how you try to wiggle out of reality. owning a single ICE is vastly cheaper.

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PM_ME_UR_MAGIC_CARDS 1 point ago +1 / -0

One vehicle being EV is a realistic option. I know because that's all I have. 300 miles of range a day, I wake up with a full tank every morning, and to fill up costs me 50 cents.

Oh yeah, and the car is worth over $7k more than I paid for it at the beginning of the year. "Waste of money" my ass.

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magaspif 1 point ago +1 / -0

and if you don't have access to a charger at home it's a complete pain in the ass - for all the people that live in apartments it's a completely insane idea to think that we are ready for this. for some people, yes it could work, but if you live in extreme weather locations (heavy winter or super hot) the EVs are also completely worthless. but you be you completely ignorant of reality for most people

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thehumbleme 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes. I do electric for construction and yard tools, gas for cooking, and if I had the money, would get an EV as a daily commuter if I didn’t do construction. For construction, there is no replacing a gas truck or other type of vehicle. I would love to figure out how to do straight ethanol if it weren’t for the damage it causes. I could literally grow my own fuel that way.

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PM_ME_UR_MAGIC_CARDS 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's fine, my point was that you don't hate a subset of tools that operate on one fuel vs the other, just that they have different advantages and disadvantages, which is obviously the case.

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NewNameIguess 0 points ago +1 / -1

It's a fucking appliance on wheels

It's more than an appliance, it's where you spend a notable portion of your day.

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Pravda 1 point ago +1 / -0

A refrigerator is where Pritzker spends most of his day too, still an appliance.

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masterdrake 3 points ago +3 / -0

They are not designed to last 300k-500k miles. That will be clear in a few years and junkyards start filling up with them

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NewNameIguess 2 points ago +2 / -0

I can actually believe the high mileage claim, there aren't many wear components beyond things like bearings and a perfect charging cycle isn't hard on the batteries.

However the only way you're actually going to reasonably make it to that mileage with the battery in decent shape is with constant long drives so that you can get those miles in before time takes it's toll and making sure that you always drain the battery to 3.3v per cell or whatever it's meant to be before sticking it on the charger.

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TonsOfSalt 2 points ago +2 / -0

How many years exactly? There are plenty 6+ year 220k+ mile teslas rolling around already, and the battery tech has only improved since then.

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NewNameIguess 2 points ago +2 / -0

Warranty doesn't matter long term. By 8 years and 120k miles it's still struggling to reach the point where it's an actually affordable car.

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TonsOfSalt 1 point ago +1 / -0

The base Model 3 is $46k. It's the same price as a mid-range Acura TLX.

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NewNameIguess 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, that's kind of my point, by the time the price drops to a tenth of that on the used market the battery will be mostly fucked.

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TonsOfSalt 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's kind of how all cars behave on the market far out of warranty with 120k+ miles.

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TheCandorist 1 point ago +1 / -0

So what you are saying is is disposable because no one is going to pay 20k to fix a 10 year old Tesla's batteries

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TonsOfSalt 0 points ago +1 / -1

So what you are saying is

Is this a Jordan Peterson interview? No, that is not what I was saying.

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masterdrake 3 points ago +4 / -1

All batteries in existence have a limited number of charging cycles, every time you charge the battery capacity is lessened. The more you charge the less capacity your battery has. 300,000 miles on the first battery my ass. From what ive seen EVs are going about 7-10 years before they need battery replaced. I can drive an ICE vehicle alot longer than 7-10 years without repairs costing 18k+

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YOLOSwag_McFartnut 3 points ago +3 / -0

The 7-10 years thing is complete horseshit for vehicles that manage the thermals of the battery. Hell, GM's nationwide battery warranty is 8 years, either or 10 or 15 in CARB states. There's a 2012 Chevy Volt out there on it's original battery with over 400,000 miles on it. I believe Tesla is similar.

I just traded in our 2 2013 Volts for 2 2018 Volts last November and they had exactly the same range they did when they rolled off the assembly line.

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nautilus 0 points ago +1 / -1

There is a vast difference in the battery management between Tesla and everyone else. The earliest Teslas are lasting an average of 14 years, with only 6% degradation, but then the cells start failing... although there are some that have WAY more miles on them doing just fine. Mark my words - very soon (5 years) cells won't fail, ever.

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masterdrake 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have 10 year bumper to bumper warranty on my truck that cost me $1200. My whole vehicle plus warranty probably cost less than the average Tesla

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eightysix -2 points ago +5 / -7

you're a tesla owning faggot, faggot. go vote democrat bitch

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Ex-libtard 3 points ago +4 / -1

If EVs are so great -- why arent EVs so great?

Over 100 years of failure.

No one is switching today.

Not robust. Cannot tow. Cannot last in cold weather. Cannot be kept at low-cost for eternity (hello full battery replacements)

Nice try hippie

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nautilus 0 points ago +1 / -1

No one is switching? Apparently you didn't listen to Tesla's earnings call from the other day. EVERY automaker posted double-digit losses this year... except Tesla who was up 70% in sales. Tesla, who is growing 50% year over year for the last and next decade. Tesla, who sold out of Model Y preorders in Australia in 90 minutes... who has 1.5 million Cybertrucks pre-ordered. You need to stop being a fucking dinosaur and open your eyes; the future is coming with or without you. I can't stress this enough - the next decade is going to be unrecognizable. Most of today's automakers will be long gone. Most of the DRIVERS today will be unemployed. You need to understand this stuff so you can navigate and hopefully aim yourself to a better future, because: it will be BRUTAL for those who aren't prepared.

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BoberFett 2 points ago +2 / -0

Uh... don't EVs need brakes also?

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TonsOfSalt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Under normal driving conditions, the mechanical brakes are not used at all. I drove through 5 states without needing to touch them once. Regenerative braking puts the energy back into the battery rather than heating up a brake pad. You will almost never need to service brakes / wear out pads on EV's unless you are racing it on a road course for sport.

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logicallyevil 1 point ago +2 / -1

Um... $100 oil change and tire rotation 2x year?

At 40k i have to have the front differential serviced. At 80k the rear. At 100 the transmission fluid changed. Coolant at 100k or whenever it goes out of spec. What are you talking about?.

Brakes are a 50k item if you don't drive like a jackass.

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Scuffers 11 points ago +19 / -8

in a massive shocker, Ford makes yet another bag-O-shite

not all EVs suck, however, all Ford/GM/Nissan ones do!

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PhoneBandit 11 points ago +11 / -0

Just wait till each company goes the way of Apple/Android where they change their plug style every few years. You'll be rolling up to charging stations that are Ford or Tesla exclusive.

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Scuffers 2 points ago +2 / -0

well, as Ford have no charging infrastructure, that's not going to happen any time soon...

also, the whole point in standards is to prevent this, hence why most of the world is going CCS for charging, to the point that Tesla are opening up their charging network to non-Tesla's, and Tesla's have always been able to charge from non-tesla chargers (some did require a convertor, but Tesla make and sell them).

I personally have never used anybody else's DC chargers for two reasons, (1) There are fuck all decent, operation ones in the UK, and (2) I still get free charging from Tesla!

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FelixtheMan 5 points ago +7 / -2

I have a bolt and it certainly doesn't suck. It will go 250 to 275 miles around town driving. The only thing it sucks at is fast charging. It makes it around 50 kwh or so which is way slower than anything else out there.

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Scuffers 4 points ago +7 / -3

Great, and how long do you expect the battery to last like this?

What I'm getting at is this, EV's need to be good enough so that you are not having to change your usage to fit them as opposed to the EV working how you need it to, in your context, if you never leave town, then fine, but how many people does that apply to with normal car usage?

I hammer the shit out of my Tesla, it regularly does 3-400 miles a day, and being blunt, I would not use it if it was a PITA to have to work around it’s issues, ie, slow charging, short battery life, etc etc.

Mine's 5 years old now and so far, the battery shows no great signs of wear, I can only guess how much longer it will go for before it get's to needing to be replaced, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

The flip to this is I have seen way too many Bolt's needing new batteries when the cars are not even 3 years old and stuff all miles on them, same deal with the Ford EV story doing the rounds this week, and we all know about how terrific the Nissan Leaf batteries were...

If manufacturers want to stop being slagging of EV's, they need to make better ones that actually work as a car should.

The Ford 150 EV is a perfect example, it's the product of 'we have to make an EV truck', and it shows, it's shite as a truck, fuck all real range, etc. way too may compromise.

The Rivan at leat came at it from the direction of what can we come up with to make it better than XYZ, time will tell if they can actually live up to their hopes, but we will soon know.

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fauxgnaws 4 points ago +4 / -0

Bolts were recalled to replace the battery because of defects where a very tiny number of cars would catch fire. Tesla just lets the few people with bad batteries drive around until it catches fire. That's why you see more Bolts getting replacement batteries.

Your Tesla one day will just have a bad battery and not turn on. No warning, one day it'll be fine with 90% capacity and the next it's toast. Could be tomorrow, could be a few years out yet.

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Scuffers 1 point ago +3 / -2

what utter bollocks.

How can you spout such bull with a straight face?

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SkullE 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not bollocks. That is how lithium ion batteries work. Their power curve is a cliff. Perfectly fine until it suddenly isn't. Ever notice the difference between old nickel batteries and a newer lithium one in a drill? The old ones will get slower and slower until you say fuck it, better put it on the charger. The newer ones will keep almost full power until it suddenly dies and you need to charge it again. That is how it will die at the end of its life. You may notice a power problem for a few days until it just doesn't work anymore. Same with the car battery.

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telan 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have seen that with several iPhones. 85% battery health might as well be 20%. They'll shut off at 70-75% charge. The way I have learned when to replace a NiMH battery, on the other hand, is when it takes 24 hours to charge.

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Scuffers 1 point ago +1 / -0

and what has that got to do with claiming tesla's all catch fire all on their own?

NOTHING!

As for degradation, yes, I am aware, mines showing some 4-5% after 5 years so far thanks...

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FelixtheMan 2 points ago +3 / -1

Tldr but at 240/month on a lease it will be fine for the next 2 yrs until my lease ends

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Scuffers 2 points ago +2 / -0

I agree, right up to the point about the Germans...

VAG have fucked up royally their battery management, the Tycan's are killing their batteries, last I read, something like 30% so far have had new packs fitted - quietly!

The Audi version is fairing a bit better as it has a completely different management and charger setup, but it’s far from perfect.

The other problem they are suffering is inconsistent battery quality from LG, who put bluntly, don't have the capacity to produce what they have committed to, and are really struggling to make any headway, this has also stuff any work on product improvement, leaving LG lagging to almost everybody else.

Tesla make more EV's (by kWh) than anybody, yet they are always fighting for more battery production, hence they are taking a lot of it in-house as well as their deals with Panasonic and CATL.

What I don't get is how VAG and the other OEM's think they will catch up simply buying batteries on the open market?

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Scuffers 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'll give you the last bit, Tesla still not up to Audi build quality (mind you, Ford is nowhere near either!), I would Audi to make a car using Tesla powertrain etc.

Panasonic will be unlikely to play ball with Ford (or GM for that matter), they are already 100% committed to Tesla, and their non-car maker customers.

LG are already over-committed, and are desperately looking to build new capacity, however, that takes time and money, both of which they don't have.

The only reason Panasonic did the deal with Tesla is because Tesla put up some serious commitment over and above just placing orders, I don't see Ford or GM doing this, do you?

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YOLOSwag_McFartnut 2 points ago +2 / -0

GM has some of the best battery management out there, 11 year old Volts with negligible battery degradation show that. Nissan, on the other hand, completely screwed the pooch with the Leaf.

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Pravda 1 point ago +1 / -0

I bought an explorer in 2020. Boy howdy is it a piece of trash.

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RecreationalNyquil 10 points ago +10 / -0

The stress of having an electric vehicle is not a stress I want in my life.

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Liver_Kick 10 points ago +10 / -0

But the virtue is priceless.

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Tendies_or_GTFO 1 point ago +2 / -1

The tires are still rubber and burn the same. It'll be a while before you freeze to death if you have a jack and the ability to get a tire lit. That goes for any vehicle with tires though so...

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telan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Even better: stab the battery. Instant bonfire/signal fire. For the next county.

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Legion681 10 points ago +11 / -1

This is hilarious.

And this is only the beginning: these EVs batteries suffer degradation just like any other good ole rechargeable battery. While brands generally give you a 8 year warranty against that, you can imagine what happens to the value of one of these EVs say at 5-6 years. Original owners will want to unload these and only an idiot would want to buy one, knowing that there‘s a very strong chance that the battery pack will need to be replaced, at a cost of 20 grand or so. Look up the story of the dude in Sweden who found himself in this situation with his Tesla and rather than spend the 20 grand, he blew his car up in a quarry.

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ATK69 9 points ago +9 / -0

Holy hell. Now try pulling it up a mountain in the snow. You’d make it probably 30 miles.

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WoodChipperGoesBRRR 9 points ago +9 / -0

My god, the amount of sponsored content they stuffed into one video is hysterical. And people think they're getting "content."

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MakeWiscoGreatAgain 11 points ago +11 / -0

“My Sierra Denali ultimate comes equipped with” This might as well be a commercial haha

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stratocaster_patriot 3 points ago +3 / -0

This world is void of content. I recently was looking to figure out how to do some specific chemical processes and realized that the top 50 sites that Google will come back with are just people copying and pasting the same info as everybody else but their own affiliate links instead. What separates any of them from the pack: nothing but the ability to write a good headline and do search engine optimization. They call that a career and everybody is doing it. What a trash generation.

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telan 1 point ago +1 / -0

"This video is sponsored by RAID Shadow Legends/Ray Con/NordVPN/Hello Fresh"

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GrayManNumber333 8 points ago +8 / -0

Fit my prediction perfectly.

“Same range as a gasoline truck, and watch it win a tug of war!”

How about with a load? Was always my question.

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eightysix 7 points ago +7 / -0

electric cars are for FAGGOTS. period.

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SCP0073 7 points ago +7 / -0

This green energy is fucking retarded.

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LogicalPatriot 6 points ago +6 / -0

Right now the only thing good about EV is compact drives and the power delivery, allowing for exceptional performance for the size. However, EVs are notoriously inefficient, wasting way more Joules per kg of fuel burned than if you just burned regular fucking fuel to begin with. The conversion rate is stupid due to thermal loss and electron /polaron pooling - neither of which are easy to solve or cheap to solve. While we have a good idea and are making heaps of progress towards the solution, it will be decades before Lithium is replaced as the primary media for rechargeable battery cells.

Graphene would be awesome but likely impractical. The other option is designing extremely small cell structures so that electrons do not become locked on orbital planes with the surrounding structures, thus anchoring the host Ion - this is how Polaron Pooling happens and while designing extremely precise and small structures is far more efficient at ensuring the de-localization of the electron so it can freely flow - mass producing something so detailed at such scales would be absolutely cost prohibitive.

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Tendies_or_GTFO 1 point ago +2 / -1

They're still in use. Pittsburgh has maintained it's light rail system since the Streetcar era in 1902, switching over to modern LRVs back in the mid 1980s.

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PEPEpeepee 6 points ago +6 / -0

Bro wait 150 years and they'll be good. That's why we have to switch to them now.

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MDV5 6 points ago +6 / -0

EV phone home

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RizzlieDoodad 5 points ago +5 / -0

Talk about a meme

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coreyworks 4 points ago +5 / -1

I hope cops (the tv show) is still around when we have ev police car chases.

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BoberFett 4 points ago +4 / -0

With the laws that are going in place, there won't be car chases in the future. Cops will just push a button, and your car will pull itself over.

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arkivx 4 points ago +4 / -0

These are useless for anyone who doesnt live in a city. They are expensive toys for rich people, nothing else.

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PollyB 2 points ago +2 / -0

Palm Springs allows golf carts on the roads. They even have license plates.

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Basedsliceofwinning 2 points ago +2 / -0

A buddy of mine got a DUI on a golf cart in St Petersburg lol. Golf carts all over there.

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arkivx 1 point ago +1 / -0

Here too and tractors, but no ATVs. the goverment is crazy.

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ChynahIzAzzhole 4 points ago +4 / -0

Needs more COAL.

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AtrisFlex 4 points ago +4 / -0

How mad I would be if I had to wait for an hour or two to recharge my car, so dumb.

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SwampDonkey2 4 points ago +4 / -0

Our country isn't set up for eletric cars. People can't afford them. Most people buy used cars. Not enough charging stations .New batterys can cost up to $14k . Imagine buying a $12k used EV car and 6 months later the batteries are shot.

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captain-shitpost 2 points ago +2 / -0

that's all part of the scam... it's not supposed to be better in any way. it's supposed to be worse so that most useless eaters stop driving cars, and putting everyone under the fist of social credit.

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Xilient 4 points ago +4 / -0

I don't use my truck (a rusty 90s work truck) for towing at all, I use it for hauling stuff, especially large amounts of wood. In that regard the ideal pickup truck is one with a large (8') bed. The only possible way I could use an EV pickup would be if it was the exact opposite of this: regular cab, long bed, bare bones with no excess technology, and as inexpensive as possible. We will never see an EV like that, I guarantee it. They are cash grabs.

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telan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Pretty much what all new or new-ish trucks are now. $79k for a two year old Sierra HD at the dealership here. I began hearing either last year or two years ago about the 8 year car loan because of this kind of thing.

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Block_Helen 4 points ago +4 / -0

They don't want you to have the kind of autonomy provided by cheap gas and normal cars. They want you under their control. Ergo: self-driving electric vehicles and mass transit and unaffordable fuel.

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NewNameIguess 2 points ago +2 / -0

What autonomy do we even have though? Most travel is meaningless.

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Block_Helen 1 point ago +1 / -0

I can decide when to get in my car, where to go, how fast to drive, what route to take, where and when to stop on the way, where to park, etc. That is the definition of autonomy. Whether the travel is "meaningful" is irrelevant.

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NewNameIguess 1 point ago +1 / -0

All of that can be legislated away, and is fairly meaningless because you're getting to the same destination regardless. On top of that gasoline cars have all been electronically controlled for decades and use even more complicated controllers than an electric motor needs. I get the argument against public transit though because then you're trapped in an enclosed box full of undesirables going slowly along an inconvenient route constantly stopping and with the point where you get out being three miles away from where you want to get to.

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Pelosi_Halitosis 4 points ago +5 / -1

The "good" Ford Lightning is $80k+, they have a shitty one that's about $40k yet both cannot do actual truck stuff for very long.

Meanwhile, I can hook a 5000lb trailer to my truck and be about 500 miles away from where I am right now in about 8 hours.

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realgeotus2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Found

On

Road

Dead.

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Wolverines556 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wait until an EV school bus catches fire.

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telan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Locking the doors shut, no less.

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Les_Deplorables 3 points ago +3 / -0

Did they send an Electric Tow Truck to rescue it?

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Bubblegumbro 3 points ago +3 / -0

There is some asshole in a campground with one of these electric fords . It has a gay little back noise. Not like heavy equipment but gay

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raytheater 3 points ago +3 / -0

I got three people in my office right now looking at the lightning. Had to send the vdo to them.

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grassshrimp 3 points ago +4 / -1

EV's serve a purpose, but everyone needs to understand their limitations.

I have a Jeep that is a hybrid, but has a pure EV mode. Only gets around 50 miles, but it's perfect for my needs. Living on an island, almost all of my Jeep requirements are local running around, I have a type 2 charger at home and can charge it up in no time. I never use gas mode until the Jeep demands that I run the engine to circulate the oil and make sure the gas doesn't get stale.

For me, it's perfect, I don't have to bother to leave the island for long periods of time for gas fill-ups.

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Dinglehopper 3 points ago +3 / -0

My brother just got one and likes to take his camper on long trips. I can’t wait for him to find out the hard way that he wasted his money.

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Freedombunker 3 points ago +3 / -0

i can't understand why we are dumping the most efficient, powerful, and portable engine humans have devised for this bullshit. EVs will never, ever have the power and range of ICE.

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catch-a-penny 2 points ago +2 / -0

As a technology in general they don't suck, but clearly they are not the solution to replacing the combustion engine either.

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Euphemism 2 points ago +3 / -1

When did we lose the lesson about : "A tool for every job". mentality?

EV vehicles aren't bad because they can't tow a load - anymore than a hammer is bad because it can't change the TV channels.. Right?

As a standup comic once said: "A Hummer being driven in the rain forest is a tool. A Hummer being driven in downtown Toronto, is being driven by a tool.".

That said - as much as I love EV's, they have a very specific use case (At least until battery/energy storage gets a whole lot better) and towing or going distance just isn't one of them(yet - or likely will be as long as energy isn't free)

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Plugthegamey 2 points ago +2 / -0

We already have electric cars. They're called golf carts. But you get a ticket if you drive one on the road.

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Gumnut 2 points ago +2 / -0

That’s the whole point

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PollyB 2 points ago +2 / -0

Remember all the hype 5 years ago when Elon was trying to push his electric 18 wheeler? Have you heard anything about it since? Yeah same thing happened in early development and the Tesla-Semi project was shelved indefinitely. Turns out batteries run out of energy super fast under heavy load and would need a trailer full of batteries to drive any distance.

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Basedsliceofwinning 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm still waiting for my Tesla truck. Why is that shit STILL not available lol.

I want to like Elon, and I always root for him. But man, sometimes he seems like a...well....scheisty car salesman to me lol.

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notCIA 2 points ago +2 / -0

We have a long way to go before EVs are a solution for very much. I could probably use one for my 14 mile round trip to work, but that's about it.

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Dinglehopper 2 points ago +2 / -0

My brother just got one and like to take his camper on long trips. I can’t wait for him to find out the hard way that he wasted his money.

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Sempiternus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Doing quick rough math, where he spent $27 dollars to charge from 9% to 75%, I figured that trip cost around $37 dollars (a full "tank" would cost about $41). Meaning that to cover the same distance, it would cost him about $74. That really isn't that much cheaper than the gas. He saved $20, total cost is 79% of the cost of gas.

Taking a quick look as MSRPs, the electric Ford F150 vehicle is $16K more than the non electric with out tax credits. Used isn't likely an option for electric, so actual cost difference would be even more. Ford is also likely bowing to pressure to keep EV's price down as much as possible.

Then there are maintenance costs. What are those and how do they compare?

How much do you want to bet the electricity at these stations is also subsidized?

I fear we are at the mercy of religious zealots.

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Basedsliceofwinning 2 points ago +2 / -0

And he only saved that 20 bucks because gas is at 5 a gallon. Normal price gas, and he mighta paid more lol.

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IronWolve 2 points ago +2 / -0

28 bux to charge per 85 miles, and you wait an hour 85 miles to charge. Fuck that.

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crash7863 2 points ago +2 / -0

Electronic vehicles are office workers vehicles. An electronic truck? That's an pencil neck buying a truck to appear masculine.

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Jhenk 2 points ago +2 / -0

At least it's wheels stay on

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TLDC 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have the Ford F-150 Hybrid.

Ford got it right with this model.

From the factory I've got ~455HP with an average MPG of 23.9 at 7,000 miles. That is including using the built in generator during a weekend camping trip.

I think there is a happy medium to be found in a hybrid vehicle, especially one with a regenerative charging system.

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someoldcoderguy 1 point ago +1 / -0

I actually thought that this was the right feature for trucks. Trucks are utility vehicles. Having a built-in generator would be awesome for contractors.

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Undying 2 points ago +2 / -0

We are still 10 to 20 years away from EVs being viable

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nautilus 0 points ago +1 / -1

Go drive a model 3 base, and let us know if you still think that.

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Undying 1 point ago +1 / -0

How much is the replacement battery?

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todayabetterme 2 points ago +2 / -0

Imagine the relaxation vacation you'll have! Stopping to charge for 6 hours every 1.5 hours of driving.

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CaJuN-Polak 2 points ago +2 / -0

I am truly amazed that the reported fuel mileage for the GMC was only 7mpg ... towing a measly 6000 pounds.

When I would use my 98 4dr 4wd Tahoe (sbc, 4spd auto) to drag my 6000+lb travel trailer all over the west half of the US, I would get 11-13mpg, depending on hills and headwinds. Even crossing the Continental Divide in August with the AC on high, I never saw less than 9mpg. And I never towed in OD.

That brand new Denali should have been at least 13mpg. Either that guy doesn't know how to drive while towing or that truck was not broken in, yet, nor "learned" efficient towing parameters. If the tires weren't fully inflated, that would drop mpg by a 1 or more, as well. Still .... 7mpg? That's terrible.

I wonder if they set out to make the gas truck look bad, but didn't expect the electric truck to be as pathetic as it was?

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ethtirlomalral 1 point ago +1 / -0

That surprised me as well. I have a nearly 20 year old 6.0L v8 SUV that always tows a 5k lb trailer mostly city driving and I get around 10mpg on average. I would have expected more than 7mpg on the highway from a brand new truck under similar conditions.