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crossicus_rubiconus [S] 300 points ago +300 / -0

I hear Geraldo and other Dems stating that President Trump should release the details of the warrant to help shed light on The Raid. Howerver:

Now, here’s Trump attorney Christina Bobb on Real America’s Voice. She was the attorney who was on site. She explains that they initially wouldn’t even let her see the warrant, but then did; they were reluctant to let them have it. It’s not clear from what she says if they ultimately were able to obtain it at some point. She also explained that the probable cause for the warrant was sealed, so that they can’t even know what it was unless they go to court to find out.

There's serious fuckery afoot here.

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caw_86 271 points ago +271 / -0

Sealed probable cause sure does sound like unreasonable search

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K-Harbour 213 points ago +214 / -1

The warrant is not the important document. The important document is the oath or affirmation that caused the warrant to issue. That is constitutionally required — and it is not clear that the government is constitutionally allowed to have that under seal.

“no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seize”

WHERE IS THE OATH OR AFFIRMATION???

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AmericaFloats 62 points ago +62 / -0

i learned this today!

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SpaceOlympian 31 points ago +32 / -1

That’s the probable cause statement. Whoever affirmed the warrant would be the author of that document. It’s the same thing just different lingo.

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K-Harbour 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not the same thing. The oath or affirmation and the warrant are two different documents. One is made by the witness who swears that the stolen item or evidence is in possession of a specific person at a specific location and the warrant is what a judge issues to authorize a government official to go to that specific location and retrieve that specific item or specific evidence.

If the oath is false, there is civil liability on the person making the oath so the person subjected to the warrant can recover money damages for the inconvenience and defamation.

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45fan 15 points ago +15 / -0

Correct. Because otherwise in regards to the oath the government could just say, "Oh we totally have that!" And when they didn't because it was fake and gay they could scatter like rats without anyone's name tied to the affair directly.

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peterstrzoked 14 points ago +14 / -0

You mean like they did with the fraudulent FISA warrants that didn’t have the woods files and had materially false statements in them?

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barwhack 33 points ago +33 / -0

"Secret courts" are just another term for "lawless power"...

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TrumpTrainForever 16 points ago +16 / -0

Secret courts are unconstitutional and reminiscent of communist countries. There must be law and order, otherwise it is the duty of the people to overthrow such law and reestablish one that is more fitting to them for providing justice and security.

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K-Harbour 1 point ago +1 / -0

We need to abolish court powers to “seal” stuff.

We need to abolish the patriot act.

We need to abolish FISA courts.

There is nothing on this Earth that is so secret that it can’t be done in open court for the world to see. Especially someone accusing someone of something.

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MAGANYficent 33 points ago +33 / -0

Kevin Clinesmith probably put together the affirmation.

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Mrsattorney 33 points ago +33 / -0

Yes, he probably cited the Maggie Haberman NYT fake news article that suggested that Trump had a penchant for flushing WH docs down the toilet (a questionable article fhat was probably leaked to the NYT by a certain alphabet agency in order to give itself probable cause to allege that Trump was destroying documents ).

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Dangerous_donald1 17 points ago +17 / -0

This is how they use the media to harass us. The media makes a fake article and that fake article is cited as their reason for a warrant.

Trump was right all along! The fake news media is the enemy of the people!

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charlesthehammer 4 points ago +4 / -0

That’s how they justified the FISA warrants

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Elencher 4 points ago +4 / -0

We know this, and yet we flip out whenever other nations take actual action and throw their corrupt media in jail like we should be doing, ie Khashoggi who was pretty likely a piece of shit.

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Belleoffreedom 14 points ago +14 / -0

Maggie just might make things up.

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Mrsattorney 3 points ago +3 / -0

Well, there's that too.

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Burisma 8 points ago +8 / -0

That note was torn and thrown into the toilet by a childish Trump spite who wanted to take a defiant photo.

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Mrsattorney 10 points ago +10 / -0

The toilet photos were absolutely meaningless...totally out of context and were intended to create a narrative through innuendo without any ascertainable facts.

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charlesthehammer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Exactly

Torn up paper in a toilet. I mean nooooooooo one could ever fake that. Those toilets look like they could be from anywhere as well.

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Shamb3 1 point ago +1 / -0

anywhere but a trump residence

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TrumpVoter1 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yes, he probably cited the Maggie Haberman NYT fake news article

after everything else they have done that is likely how it went down

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Shamb3 3 points ago +3 / -0

Did you see her laughable evidence photos? some plain toilet in a non-millionaires bathroom and a torn piece of printer paper with big names hand written in sharpie sitting at the bottom of the bowl.

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Mrsattorney 3 points ago +3 / -0

I did indeed. I thought they were supposed to be WH toilets. The papers floating in them were unconnected to anyone, and were meaningless. How would we know who even put them there?

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BestTimeToBAlive 8 points ago +8 / -0

We need Tom Fitton Judicial Watch

FOIA request asap

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My2Cents 2 points ago +2 / -0

Like those FISA warrants, secret warrants, filed by secret courts.

Orwellian "justice."

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Wtf_socialismreally 87 points ago +87 / -0

That should be illegal. You should have to provide the warrant in order for it to be valid.

This justice system needs to be rebuilt.

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Qwikphaze 49 points ago +49 / -0

Government should be rebuilt

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frogface 16 points ago +21 / -5

It needs to be torn down completely so we can build it back better.

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Deadpool 3 points ago +3 / -0

💯👆

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frogface 1 point ago +1 / -0

OK, I'm good with that too.

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chickeninoven 7 points ago +9 / -2

Klaus Schwab is... fren???

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BunkerHill 3 points ago +3 / -0

Kek

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Objectivism 39 points ago +39 / -0

This is used to take down criminals or criminal organizations who will look at a warrant and take interfering action immediately based on its contents. I agree with you, just providing context as to why this is even a thing.

It's a pretty low move and it's also risky. Basically they told a judge that Trump is doing something so bad and the evidence is so damning that they can get it with an in-and-out raid that has to be conducted quickly enough not to trigger any countermeasures that might be used to hide or destroy what is specifically to be searched.

The bottom line is that if they didn't find what they are looking for, Trump will have multiple claims against each person involved. This makes this very likely to be a hail Mary, if they weren't 100% certain they would find what they had a warrant to find.

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TrudopesEyebrow 29 points ago +30 / -1

Interesting.

But considering the intelligence community made a fake pee dossier stick, it sure seems Biden’s Gestapo will do the same. They can leak their false accusations and fake fisa warrant to MSDNC again, once it becomes a mainstream headline, bam, the bullshit sticks.

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Objectivism 30 points ago +30 / -0

Yes this is the real threat. They've proven they are willing to fake evidence for these purposes.

Having access to MAL and a warrant that doesn't let lawyers record the actions of the FBI during the search is what you would need to find something you brought in. Normally the agency would be beyond repute, but it's the same agency that briefed a false memo that they knew was bogus when they briefed it in order to grant it legitimacy. That same agency - literally the same field office - can't be trusted not to pull something.

Thing is, they know that. The more this unfolds the more I suspect that they are actually goading us into violence. There's too much intentionality here, that has the effect of making our side angry and misunderstood by the people they have already decieved.

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TrudopesEyebrow 24 points ago +25 / -1

100% agreed

The same FBI arresting soccer moms for speaking loudly at PT meetings. Half the country at this point recognizes the FBI as a lying, rotten corrupt entity, in bed with MSDNC reporters.

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3percenterFan 7 points ago +7 / -0

I think it is much more than half. I don’t recall the FBIs reputation ever being this low.

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CrispyQuesoSalami 11 points ago +11 / -0

Yeah, this def reeks of then trying to get people to act out.

The most concerning thing to me over the last few years has been that they don't even try anymore. They don't even try for optics, they don't even try to lie effectively, they don't care anymore.

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Faulkner 3 points ago +3 / -0

I have noticed this.

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NotMyPresident2021 2 points ago +3 / -1

We shouldn't either.

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Mitschu 2 points ago +2 / -0

Personally, I'm tired of the idea of being "tricked", "goaded", etc. into violence.

There are times when violence is a viable solution, and there are times that it is the only solution. We're far past the second point, which is why people keep insisting that we don't "rush" to violence.

The issue is, we need organized violence, and yet at the same time if two people meet in private to discuss anything even adjacent to revolution or retaking our country, twelve people will show up. Ten of them will be wearing khakis and button downs carrying tiki torches and spend the entire meeting with their hand pressed against their ear.

Then the ten people will agree amongst themselves to commit to action and overrule by majority vote the other two, do something retarded for the waiting CNN fake news folk to record, get the two people arrested, then plea immunity.

I propose a simple litmus test. A secret handshake that, even reading it here, they won't really expect. Every person at any "insurrection meeting" must pick one other person and spontaneously start beating the life out of them. No fight club bullshit, no testing your limits nonsense, only a merciless asskicking that ends only when the other person falls unconscious. Likewise, it shall be a gentleman's contract that if you are beaten up by someone at a secret meeting, you voluntarily waive your right to press charges (at least, the first time it happens per meeting.)

If any two or more people at a meeting are wearing the same "uniform" by sheer coincidence, that immunity is removed: they must stand in line until everyone else has had a turn at trying to kill them. If they somehow still pass the test, they will be given a MAGA hat, a drink of their choice, a sincere apology, and some advice not to pull this "hello fellow caterpillars" bullshit in the future. If their drink of choice is a Starbucks Soy Latte with extra homemade cream, see the section on how to deal with Antifa infiltrators. (This is a joke, everyone knows those faggots crumple after one punch and wouldn't be coherent enough to place a drink order.)

To pass the test, you must get charged with assaulting a federal agent. The rest, including the ones waiting outside who piled out of the van to scream in panic "FBI, you're under arrest!" to rescue their comrades, you shall execute on the spot. In Minecraft. No mercy for traitors.

After a few months of "grassroots meetings" like that springing up around the US, there wouldn't be any NEED for further meetings. Or to disband the FBI, for that matter.

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Objectivism 1 point ago +1 / -0

Violence is currently monopolized by the state, reinforced with a camera-clad and lawyer-on-speed-dial culture. Cameras work as a weapon because our gynocentric society can't seem to understand certain things - like that a father wrestling with his boys isn't "hurting them."

So, stating the problem clearly, meeting to even create the deterrent effect requires identity enough for security and anonymity enough to protect cleared identities. Those are at odds, and the core of the problem is that tension. Beyond that, being "shut off" is relatively easy because we don't grow our own food anymore, we work for corporations to trade for it in a currency our opponents control (and will soon digitize).

We can see right away that in a technology driven world you aren't going to get a solution with analog means like beating the shit out of each other. It's only a matter of time before everyone is wearing body cameras, cameras on doorbells, cars and buildings are all good enough to be networked, and drones idle thousands of feet in the sky passively recording movement. "For your safety." There's going to be almost no way to surprise anyone with an organized force. Hell they won't even know where to go without opening Google Maps.

What I'm saying is that the fight is now digital and that organized violence needs to be organized similarly.

Imagine a digital challenge coin, or using vetting software to identify feds. Facial recognition but used on authority not by it. These are the weapons of today and the only viable option. This is where to think

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The_Usurper 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ten years ago the FBI would have been beyond repute in the public eyes. The only positive to this is that they are exposing who they really are and have always been, a corrupt, vile, criminal organization.

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charlesthehammer 1 point ago +1 / -0

I now can sympathize with the mafia when they were harassed by the FBI and would tell them “you have nothing”.

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TrumpVoter1 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes this is the real threat. They've proven they are willing to fake evidence for these purposes.

True but this does not change our support for Trump. Does not move the needle in any negative way at this point and after everything else that has already been done. It just reinforces our support even more

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brutustyberius 13 points ago +13 / -0

Add to the fact that Trump was in New Jersey when the raid took place. No countermeasures possible.

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Objectivism 19 points ago +19 / -0

What is clear is that Trump's organization is being treated like a cartel, that substantial resources are deployed to surveil and curtail him and his organization and that there's enough risk tolerance at the FBI that they have both the media perception and the legal implications being run through experts and allies before they act.

This is not good. We might exaggerate saying the whole FBI is corrupt, but the DC field office is 99% certainly corrupt. This problem will get worse, because if they aren't already, they will try to defend themselves from being ripped out or at least have that strong interest. This means that the only man to challenge the establishment is going to need a fucking intelligence arm to survive the attempt. This is not the America we grew up in, and it's probably well past the hour of action.

But we are being given a clear target. The DC field office leadership has doxxed themselves as soldiers in a war we've been pretending and hoping isn't hot. This is the first real foe that has confirmed they are not mixed friendly. That's important, and something to think about for the future. If they continue to act like they are in need of a non legal deterrent to this kind of Soviet behavior they can get one. They will be the first to have fully crossed to line into forfeiting their rights such that the citizens can, without concern or moral quandary, reap them.

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HocusLocus 2 points ago +2 / -0

A 21st Century Church Committee. Hearkening back to the days when Congress had the balls to ask tough questions and really put people under oath.

Back THEN the damming revelations were in voluminous meticulously typed paper files that no one (having been asked a Question) could ever think they might purge fast enough. But NOW with the spook agencies covering for them and reasonable IT practices, it is easy to 'purge' data and even develop contingency plans for purging it. And they'll gladly purge it and lie to Congress because they know the shadow copies are tucked away deep in the NSA.

Aside from backup of government records (which is a good thing) the NSA has several megatons of unlawfully obtained intercepts and tabular data on its own citizens that would make a future dictator's job easy. The Patriot Act practically gutted its original Charter. And there is an egregious narrative surrounding unlawful intercepts that surveillance does not actually happen until these previously-stockpiled files are opened and displayed on the screen.

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Mitschu 2 points ago +2 / -0

"If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don't want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return."

Bless you, Senator Church, for saying it better than anyone else could.

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BarnStorm 2 points ago +2 / -0

Multiple claims and evidence of shit investigation techniques fall on deaf ears with judges. (This is true for the election claims as well.) Shit judges are the stop-gap and if they are rats, the entire constitution is a thing of the past. Why the hell is everyone swearing an shitty oath to it?

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Wolfebane84 2 points ago +2 / -0

The warrant wasn't to find something.

It was to get access to plant things to SAY they found them and/or plant bugs or things to harm The President.

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Nw15062 23 points ago +23 / -0

Always two documents, warrant and oath of affirmation, one is void without the other.

The government is out of control, constitution is to regulate the governments actions, they don’t even pretend like it exist anymore.

Congress is pretending it is the judicial branch, executive office is pretending it is the legislative. Things are getting crazy.

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mark2398 17 points ago +17 / -0

The warrant has to specifically state what is being sought after and where it is located. I heard the Trump warrant was a 100 pages long and covered Mar-A-Lago which is a huge estate. Basically the FBI had a hall pass to go anywhere and take anything they wanted. A huge distortion of the intention of warrants.

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HEXEN 9 points ago +10 / -1

There's a lot of stuff that's illegal and it's done anyway. Like say, interfering with national elections.

People in power don't adhere to justice. It's only for us lemmings and plebs.

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Forgototherpassword 13 points ago +13 / -0

They're going to dig through his shit like when they did it to his lawyers and hide behind "can't discuss ongoing investigation" then start leaking bullshit lies to the media from anonymous sources to try to make him look bad.

We've seen this before.

Show me the man and I'll show you the crime

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talltellmanson 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nobody should be complying in ANY WAY to this fuckery.

Fuck the god damned leftists and their demands.

Fuck the leftist media and their requests.

Fuck the FBI and the DOJ.

Fuck Biden and the criminal government he's pretending to run.

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Italianshamrock 1 point ago +1 / -0

So they should get their asses in court!

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Dylan_da_Spider 132 points ago +132 / -0

The Left: You shouldn't be scared of FBI raids if you have nothing to hide.

Alright, then why are all the FBI documents and warrants sealed and hidden from the public?

The Left: That's (D)ifferent

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Desperado 39 points ago +39 / -0

"It wasn't a raid, Drumpftard! Just a regular execution of a warrant!"

"Can we see the warrant?"

"Nope!"

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BerkeleyKM 83 points ago +83 / -0

Not given a copy of an at least partially sealed warrant? That makes me think there is no legitimate warrant, this is some fake fisa warrant chicanery here

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MichelleObamasBulge 21 points ago +21 / -0

Seal the “warrant”

Raid the property

Find something that can be spun as incriminating

Reverse-engineer the probable cause from the freshly-spun “incrimination”

“Unseal” the blank warrants, fill them in with the info you just fished for, release them publicly as if they had been the cause for the raid in the first place

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HCQ_ZPAK_ZINC 4 points ago +4 / -0

That makes more sense than anythimg else so far.

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HCQ_ZPAK_ZINC 19 points ago +19 / -0

Who was the judge who approved this nonsense? The Hawaiian cuck?

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Foomer 52 points ago +52 / -0

Worse. A judge that used to work for Jeffrey Epstein.

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BlackJack1776 36 points ago +36 / -0

*Work for

Was Epstein's prosecutor (Got him that initial sweetheart deal). Quit to become Epstein's DEFENSE lawyer. Also, the defense lawyer for Epstein's employees and associates.

Then gets appointed as a federal magistrate (8 year term).

Have you seen this dudes picture? "Free candy" van man looking leftoid. Sheriff should be checking this Groomer sad sac's basement for missing kids.

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Taco_of_Kiev 18 points ago +18 / -0

Judge who got Epstein immunity years back, who than reshuffled positions and got a bunch of his clients immunity as well.

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Mountainous 15 points ago +17 / -2

USAG Merrick Garland. The guy who got snubbed in 16 for scotus. Sounds like he was more than happy to sign off on the raid.

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BunkerHill 8 points ago +8 / -0

Garland isn't a judge anymore and can't sign off on a warrant.

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PlatinumFMorgan 8 points ago +8 / -0

"That makes me think there is no legitimate warrant"

They do it to private citizens all the time.

However, when someone is under Secret Service protection, then they absolutely must give a copy of the warrant to the Secret service before being allowed to proceed, if not, then the Secret Service had an absolute DUTY to use kinetic force against them.

EDIT: Typos.

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MarcusAurelius 5 points ago +5 / -0

Which may be why they waited until Trump was out of town.

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PlatinumFMorgan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Eric Trump was there and he has Secret Service protection.

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Necrovoter 76 points ago +77 / -1

De Santis should use the FL National Guard, arrest the judge, the FBI and all involved and hold them incommunicado for Insurrection against the duly elected president - Trump.

Let the leftists stew on that one. Other states could do something similar, and put all the FBI in their states in prison for conspiracy to commit treason and insurrection.

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yukondave 9 points ago +9 / -0

The great state of Florida can in fact do what they want. Montana a few years ago ignored some federal law and the fed was able to coerce them by withholding money for roads and education. Without that, the Fed has very hard time enforcing laws in a Sovereign State without local participation.

The state could arrest the federal officers for anything they want, the repercussions will be money as well as arrest when they leave the state and go to a federal friendly state. This type of stuff gets messy

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308freedom 8 points ago +8 / -0

States need to get off the federal teat and be financially responsible. This is required in order to start making real changes in this country.

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DaayTerkErJerbs 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hard to do when so much money is taxed by the feds, mass amounts of money are borrowed an then distributed back to the states.

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YouNeedVPN 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's bandaid ripping time.

Gone to go back to being the united STATES.

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BostonVoter 5 points ago +7 / -2

Hold those FBI agents in a small prison. Indefinitely. Forever. Fuck them forever. Hahahaha

Torture them! Let them get raped ! Hahahaha

Wanna be corrupt ? Look in the Mirror! Now.uou are being ass raped!
How do you like those apples?!

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Necrovoter 1 point ago +2 / -1

Free butt sex (even on the receiving end) might entice them. Locking them up with no kind of sex at all (solitary) would be better.

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Asilimum 0 points ago +1 / -1

lmao DeSantis? He is all words, no action

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HCQ_ZPAK_ZINC 62 points ago +62 / -0

Find the wiretaps....quickly. They sure planted them.

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Need4Pede 30 points ago +30 / -0

Yup or relocate till 2024. They are in panick mode.

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Mr_Beanths 36 points ago +36 / -0

There is a reason President Trump spent so much time down there during his Presidency. They only had Trump Tower wire tapped. They sure as shit did some planting down there.

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lolzor21 10 points ago +10 / -0

I bet we will see every one of them. Reminds me of the concrete embassy in russia.

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BallsackPaneer 9 points ago +9 / -0

Remember the wandering Chinese lady that was apprehended there?

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Taco_of_Kiev 2 points ago +2 / -0

Las Vegas time (he owns a casino there and good tax benefits).

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9x10again 10 points ago +10 / -0

Trump International owns 50%. There is no casino, just a big, beautiful and very gold hotel.

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yukondave 3 points ago +3 / -0

That was not panic. That was intimidation in his face. I expect warrants and visits to other family members as well.

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Tellsyouhow 19 points ago +19 / -0

They'll keep the wiretaps switched off for about a year so there is nothing detectable. Once forgotten about and presumed clear they'll switch them back on closer to the 2024 election to dig up dirt on him and find out his tactics

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Objectivism 23 points ago +23 / -0

The newer devices have memory. They do not need to transmit live. They record, store to memory and then transmit when they can best hide. E.g. at 4am on a Sunday, or when they are most likely to be mistaken for a different device, or flyby upload to a drone.

They also wake up on sound, and stay in very low power states.

This is all what you can buy now at a hobbyist shop.

We have an outdated perception of what is possible with surveillance technology today. The iPhone came out in 2007. Real spook surveillance equipment tends to be ahead of the consumer markets by several years.

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Forgototherpassword 5 points ago +5 / -0

Remember the thermostat transmitting to China story?

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HocusLocus 3 points ago +3 / -0

Jovan Hutton Pulitzer was chock full of shit -- at least in the IT sense. He poisoned the well with his wireless sniffing by claiming that several Wifi-enabled consumer devices (thermostat, TV) were communicating with China. He then proceeded to display their MAC station addresses (without discussing the volume of traffic, and he was certainly unable to see plaintext) as if that was *proof* But packets sent to a manufacturer's cloud network is common Internet-of-Things practice and he knew that. He was trying to Q the fuck out of everyone. He did not even have access to the plaintext packets that would show China IP addresses. He probably got his "proof" from the "Made in China" labels in back of the products.

In terms of paper ballot forensics he is on target, but true expertise in one area does not imply expertise in another, especially those grandiose claims.

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DiscoverAFire 2 points ago +2 / -0

Just raid again in 6 months and pick up all your bugs, they'd never need to transmit and could use very little power.

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Wtfbombs 1 point ago +1 / -0

But all devices need a power source, just need to find where it was wired to

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DiscoverAFire 2 points ago +2 / -0

So they swap out a powerbrick for your laptop, or your router, with another one. Looks the same, works the same, just has a bug in it. They count on you to keep it powered.

Plus, you can get a bug to last 6 months on a big coincell. Lots of sleep-mode, very little transmit, etc. They even have chips that will stay in sleep mode until they hear a sound, wake up only partially until they hear a specific word, and then the chip will wake up all the way to record, process, transmit in a single burst, and then go back to sleep.

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Patriot210 2 points ago +2 / -0

I wonder if this is why diplomats were getting sick in Cuba. They were shooting beams of RF at them all day activating Soviet bugs all over the offices

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PMSocks 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wow - and that was 1940s tech ... We could of had remote charging of cell phones batteries for decades.

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TrudopesEyebrow 16 points ago +17 / -1

The Newyork Post article said the FBI gestapo brought a bunch of DOJ lawyers with them who supervised the raid and who refused to allow Trumps attorneys inside to obverse them. They ordered Trumps staff to shut off the security cameras, but Trumps lawyers told them to go fuck themselves and left them on. The DOJ lawyers also brought a safe expert.

They raided the whole house from 8am til 7pm. They definitely played dirty.

Stinks to high heavens

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PMSocks 5 points ago +5 / -0

That's a mighty long day for a public sector worker.

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Salty_Dad 2 points ago +2 / -0

Terret down and rebuild

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mark2398 12 points ago +12 / -0

Hell, I would worry about the planting of some sort of low grade poisoning too.

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GuerillaYourDreams 5 points ago +5 / -0

That’s absolutely correct. I would be very concerned about any electronic surveillance that they planted — but maybe more concerned that they might’ve put something in the family’s quarters that would slowly kill them.

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HocusLocus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Cats can sense bugs and will alert their owners to them.

Cats also sometimes chase (and eat) cockroaches. What we need is a really big cat.

If this has happened it is likely to be an old story involving early low frequency radio bugs (the components can whine softly) or much more likely, the scent of a stranger's hands. Modern bugs built from chipsets would not have any audible clues.

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StolenElectionsKill 31 points ago +31 / -0

The FIB was only there to plant "incriminating evidence" against Trump, and to seize whatever evidence they could find that Trump has against them.

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Kamalasflappymoosear 4 points ago +4 / -0

What if it isn’t that at all. Suppose they planted something that could be detonated remotely, or start a fire, or maybe some nasty bio weapon that they can use to keep him from becoming POTUS. He should never set foot in that residence again. Just build a new one, and have the old one dismantled piece by piece, and inspected in detail. No reason to believe that they wouldn’t want to see him dead. He is the guy that is going to tear their playhouse down, and they know what’s coming. Edit to correct myself on the “becoming POTUS” statement. He is the legitimate POTUS already, so no need to “become”. What I should have said was “ Prevent him from serving his 3rd term”.

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StolenElectionsKill 5 points ago +5 / -0

You can't rule anything out with these people. I would imagine Trump will have a massive team of 'scrubbers' going through everything the FIB touched at MAL before setting foot back in there. I know I would.

Probably would be only prudent to inspect and replace their wardrobes, all the furniture, carpets, light fixtures, switches, phones, TVs, internet routers, modems, switches and servers, doors & windows, etc., sweep every square inch for cameras, bugs, listening devices, bombs, chemical or biological booby-traps etc.

This is for all the marbles now.

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Kamalasflappymoosear 3 points ago +3 / -0

Be easier to build anew. Turn the former residence into a suite for Democrat guests.

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Ophelia 2 points ago +2 / -0

That sucks for them. He really loves that place.

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Smurfection 29 points ago +30 / -1

She explains that they initially wouldn’t even let her see the warrant, but then did; they were reluctant to let them have it. It’s not clear from what she says if they ultimately were able to obtain it at some point. She also explained that the probable cause for the warrant was sealed, so that they can’t even know what it was unless they go to court to find out.

the FBI also wanted the Mar-a-Lago security cameras shut off while they were conducting their raid. Why? The only thing one can think is that they didn’t want the camera to catch something that they were doing.

This stinks so bad. The FBI is literally a domestic enemy of the Republic.

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thisguy883 11 points ago +11 / -0

yea i cant think of one legal reason why they would want the cameras turned off.

I guess its so if there is an active investigation, they don't want the person they are investigating to study their tactics.

Just a guess. But legally, I don't think they can do that since the camera is on private property.

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mickusa1 4 points ago +4 / -0

This exactly !!

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TearofLys 26 points ago +26 / -0

the details are meaningless. The real issue has never changed - Donald Trump has challenged the deep state and now the deep state is fighting back. We as citizens have to choose which side we are on. Speaking for myself, I am with The Don.

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Granny 7 points ago +7 / -0

This always gets me wondering. I was surprised in 2016 when Trump began to say he would "drain the swamp". Now he is talking about seriously cleaning house in DC. In all my years of exposure to corporate politics, I never saw such strategy. Corporate executives always maintained a posture of professional neutrality, while they stealthily destroy their adversaries. With Geotus, it's cards on the table, face up!

What is the advantage of that? The only thing I can think of, is that it forces the adversary to panic and take drastic action, which doesn't work in their favor, thereby they ultimately destroy themselves. Does that make sense?

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Philhelm 5 points ago +5 / -0

It also garners support though.

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TrumpVoter1 3 points ago +3 / -0

without that strategy can you see him ever have garnering the support he did? what would have distinguished him over any other politician basically?

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TearofLys 2 points ago +2 / -0

This situation is as surreal to me as it is to you. I can only tell you that it is real, and you must decide what you are going to do. Crawl into bed and wait for the sweet embrace of death, or do the hard thing... stand up and fight until your dying breath for the America you want your grand children, and your grand children's children to experience. The time is now.

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TDS_Consultant 13 points ago +13 / -0

I sure hope they didn't turn off the cameras as the FBI demanded.

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Taco_of_Kiev 13 points ago +13 / -0

I read yesterday that Trump’s lawyers refused.

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findthewarmspot 13 points ago +13 / -0

Bastards went through Melania’s wardrobe too. Sickos probably stole some of her undergarments.

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Kamalasflappymoosear 7 points ago +7 / -0

Nah, she’s about 48 years to old, and the wrong gender for their tastes. They were just trying stuff on, and sending pics to their boyfriends.

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Barrysstash 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think the FBI agents and DOJ attorneys were hopping to dress some kids up like melania… idk, I’m not a pedophile like federal agents are so I don’t totally understand their ways

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Kamalasflappymoosear 1 point ago +1 / -0

Me either!

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1st_Covfefe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Naw, it's the FBI we're talking about here. If thet stole anyone's undergarments it was Barrons giant boxers for sniffing by Chris Wray and other lower-level faggots.

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Salty_Dad 1 point ago +1 / -0

It’s the FBI, it was Trumps used chones they were after…

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Philhelm 1 point ago +1 / -0

Only to wear.

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SavvyEngineer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Especially the dirty ones.

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LibertyOrDeath43 12 points ago +12 / -0

Trump should “accidentally” loose MAL to an electrical fire and sort out the rebuild with insurance.

There is no way they did not plant surveillance devices and technology, the likes of which he may never find.

At trump tower they reconfigured the DNS servers of the internet routers, to route traffic through a corporate operatives company for traffic monitoring and inspection. (Or and that operatives buddy provides SSL “inspection” tech to the government too, so they had access to ALL comms encrypted or not)

Things like that and other subtle “hacks” could take years to catch, if ever. The bounty is too big, the mission too critical to fool around.

Leave Melania’s curling iron on and go to Wyoming.

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BallsackPaneer 6 points ago +6 / -0

Bug planting or not rest assured that's their intentions. It's always been about fucking with Trump. The left is petty, very petty. They want him to be inconvenienced while he tears down and rebuilds everything in MAL. They probably also destroyed some of the First Lady's clothing just for spite.

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GuerillaYourDreams 5 points ago +5 / -0

The truth is since the FBI faggots were there for over nine hours (that’s right, nine hours) that you may be right and maybe he should burn the whole place down. Time to rebuild!

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Granny 4 points ago +4 / -0

Sue the FBI for the cost.

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preferredfault 3 points ago +3 / -0

And I think their brazenness of planting bugs means they probably are using some top secret tech that can't be detected through normal means and too small to be visually found.

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Registered 8 points ago +8 / -0

Has that fat KFC eating faggot Barr made a statement on this raid?

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todayabetterme 7 points ago +7 / -0

FUCK THE FBI

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MAGANYficent 7 points ago +7 / -0

From reports, the FBI asked MAL personnel turn off the security cameras as well during their raid. WTHF? The USSS said no, so they should have an idea of what the agents movements were, though not sure if there are cameras inside the actual residence.

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preferredfault 5 points ago +5 / -0

If there are camera's in the home they certainly wouldn't be everywhere. And the idea that they wanted them off is pretty telling -- it means they were bugging the place, but needed to place one in every room to have full coverage. With camera's rolling, they wouldn't be able to do that, so they'd lose some coverage.

And when people think bugs, they think some visible device planted in a wall or something, but I'd say that by now they can probably produce them at the microscopic scale, and in a way that isn't electronically or radiowave detectable and could draw power directly from the environment in some way, rather than from a battery or the mains. Or in other words, they'd be virtually impossible to find.

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Philhelm 3 points ago +3 / -0

I wouldn't be surprised if they had similar means to assassinate Trump; perhaps a chemical agent to induce a heart attack so the death would appear to be natural.

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-jjjjjjjjjj- 6 points ago +6 / -0

Refused to allow attorneys to oversee the agents. Made them shut cameras off. Sounds like they were definitely doing things above board there. I forgot that “if you’re not doing anything wrong you’ve got nothing to hide” only applies to citizens not the government.

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just-a-normal-dude 5 points ago +5 / -0

Secret police doing secret raids secretly for secret reasons. Land of the fucking free huh.

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RabidZoo 5 points ago +5 / -0

F U C K T H E F B I

D I C K G A R G L I N G F A G S

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True_Patriot1776 5 points ago +5 / -0

Did the attorney’s even bother to get names and badge numbers from them?

Seems a clear cut case of abuse of 4th Amendment

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Chuj 4 points ago +4 / -0

It is good that the idea is firmly put forward that evidence might be planted. That compromises anything they find, even if seemingly legit. Biden and crew damaged themselves

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Psalm_109_8-13 4 points ago +4 / -0

Could this raid have something to do with the lawsuit the President has filed against hitlary clinton?

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Pelosiwashammered 4 points ago +4 / -0

I heard Geraldo opened the safe

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Coprolite 4 points ago +4 / -0

This raid is like a the meltdown of Fukushima. You know it's really bad, then as the days go on it just keeps getting worse.

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KajensAngel 4 points ago +4 / -0

I really need to hear from Trump. Ideally addressing this and announcing his run.

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Asilimum 3 points ago +3 / -0

They need to post the WHOLE warrant right now

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DaayTerkErJerbs 3 points ago +3 / -0

What are the odds they placed bugs that are turned off around so they wont trip bug sweepers an intend to activate them closer to 2024 remotely or something? They clearly wanted access for a reason theyre not stating.

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patriot68 3 points ago +5 / -2

Call me the odd man out, but I really feel this was a good thing to happen. Those who were paying attention noticed that Trump was immediately surrounded with a bubble of Obama sycophants. He was isolated from the truth that we read about every day in these pages. He still believed in the fundamental goodness of America, your right to a fair trial, and to a fair judge.

Now he knows without a doubt that the swamp is so powerful that it will send the FBI into your house and fuck you up. I hope his game theory is in good hands, and the right people are advising him that the entire lying, utterly corrupt justice system is now focused on putting him in Epstein's old jail cell.

His ivory tower has crumbled, and he is now truly one of us. Let's hope he makes the best of his brand new grasp of reality.

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stagolee 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’ll bet they were planting surveillance devices. Trump needs to strip down any place they were in and find whatever was left behind.

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username7 2 points ago +2 / -0

If Trump had something he wanted to keep from the FBI, I seriously doubt he would keep it at one of his residences/offices.

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Wishdonwasdad 2 points ago +2 / -0

We need fucking outrage! I don't wanna hear or see another republican go on fox news and talk about it being wrong. We need fucking outrage!

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KarenLukasik 2 points ago +2 / -0

Friendly reminder: Biden cheated and stole the presidency.

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Belleoffreedom 2 points ago +2 / -0

paywall. please archive

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caw_86 2 points ago +2 / -0

Foia would be a waste, denied due to ongoing inveatigation

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TrumpVoter1 1 point ago +1 / -0

nah. just keep up pressure on them over this fuckup

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Sumarongi 1 point ago +1 / -0

QRD anyone?

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kent 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes you're not crazy. You're seeing a political hatchet job.

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45ForEver2024 -4 points ago +3 / -7

I love how minorities have been complaining about the justice system, the jails and the whole court system. But no one cares until it effects them or someone they care about.

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Bramage 4 points ago +4 / -0

Blacks mainly, who commit a disproportiantely high percentage of all violent crime but cry racsim.

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argumentative77 -3 points ago +2 / -5

no one on this site cares about minorities only maga

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ragnarokrobo -1 points ago +2 / -3

At least until one of them makes a vaguely conservative tweet then this site will trip over themselves to suck their dick.