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wiseracer 2 points ago +3 / -1

Rank choice is a system to better rig elections.

FPTP isn't a bad system. It becomes a two party system because it's the natural outcome. If you try to add more candidates, the two most similar candidates will always take votes from each other and lose.

I would support a two stage election where you vote for the top 2 and then vote for the winner on a different day. But we can't seem to manage one day of voting so my confidence in this is not very high.

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TravlingThr0ugh [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

Rank choice is has been implemented like ass with jungle primaries. Where incumbents have a huge advantages it weakens primary challenges making them nonexistent.

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JackLemon 3 points ago +3 / -0

Like nonpartisan primaries, rank choice is designed to prevent MAGA or any anti-establishment candidates from winning. Any time Dims are allowed to vote in Republican primaries, you can expect fraud. This and vote splitting is how the traitors Valadao and Newhouse won their primaries with less than 26 percent of the vote.

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TravlingThr0ugh [S] 7 points ago +7 / -0

No it ain’t. Ranked choice doesn’t allow for independent runs with small war chests. Ranked choice is a leftist project.

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ufkyflflfguio -3 points ago +1 / -4

What on earth are you talking about? The current system is what doesn't allow for independent runs with small war chests. Why do you think we are locked into a stupid 2 party system?

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ufkyflflfguio -3 points ago +1 / -4

You know that the GOP doesn't even have to run a primary at all, right? They could literally tell you to go fuck yourselves and run the RINO, knowing you'll dutifully show up in November to keep the Dems out anyway.

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ufkyflflfguio 0 points ago +1 / -1

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that ranked choice is a benefit to the RINO? Or are you just repeating what you're told without thinking about it?

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TravlingThr0ugh [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

In regular elections independents candidates don’t have to go through the primary that means they don’t spend money in a primary race. An independent candidate goes straight to the general election. Rank choice doesn’t help third parties either it actually keeps the two party intact. Third parties will be killed off right away. Also, rank choice doesn’t allow for primary challenges within the party system against an incumbent. There would be no Kari Lake in a ranked choice system.

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NPC_DREAM 5 points ago +5 / -0

Libertarians are retarded. Open borders, drug addiction as freedom.

Jeffrey Epstein was giving money to the Libertarian Party Pedo caucus.

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IWanttotalknow 1 point ago +2 / -1

Before damning the two party system to eternal damnation, just going to point out to you that Trudeau won in Canada with slightly over 30% of the vote.

It's very much worth considering sticking with the devil you know.

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IWanttotalknow 3 points ago +3 / -0

Your "voice" doesn't get heard though - it gets appropriated. The candidate you put as your second choice doesn't care about you. They don't even represent their own voters and you're thinking your SECOND choice is going to make YOUR voice heard by someone who doesn't care about the people who vote for them FIRST?

Ranked choice voting steals your voice by insuring your candidate NEVER gets elected but "our voice is heard"? Yeah, heard loud and clear by people like Murkowski who's only concern about your vote is "How can I trick these people?" You're not a libertarian voter, you're voting to ENSHRINE the two party system forever.

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ufkyflflfguio -3 points ago +1 / -4

Your "voice" doesn't get heard though - it gets appropriated. The candidate you put as your second choice doesn't care about you. They don't even represent their own voters and you're thinking your SECOND choice is going to make YOUR voice heard by someone who doesn't care about the people who vote for them FIRST?

Nobody knows how I ordered the candidates but me. But they DO know that, for example, libertarians get 20% of the vote instead of ~0%.

Ranked choice voting steals your voice by insuring your candidate NEVER gets elected but "our voice is heard"?

Do you even know how the system works? Seems like you don't. You get to put your boy Trump as #1. And I get to put him as #2 to ensure my vote isn't just thrown in the trash. And if Trump wins, he can SEE that those 20% of libertarians pushed him over the finish line. So he HAS to care about us.

You're not a libertarian voter, you're voting to ENSHRINE the two party system forever.

I don't know how much dumber a person could be... it works the way you want AND THERE ARE ONLY 2 VIABLE PARTIES. You're literally arguing against change because it might lead to the results WE ALREADY HAVE.

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IWanttotalknow 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nobody knows how I ordered the candidates but me. But they DO know that, for example, libertarians get 20% of the vote instead of ~0%.

The people counting the vote do. And they do know "Ah, that's 20% of the vote I can manipulate via this method - while they think their voice is being heard."

Do you even know how the system works? Seems like you don't. You get to put your boy Trump as #1. And I get to put him as #2 to ensure my vote isn't just thrown in the trash. And if Trump wins, he can SEE that those 20% of libertarians pushed him over the finish line. So he HAS to care about us.

When you lose, your vote isn't thrown in the trash - that's actually your voice being heard. Your second choice is your REAL choice, which in this case is a choice to reinforce the two party system. You weaken your voice with ranked choice voting. You don't get out of a two party system by by weakening your voice - you get out of it by electing the candidate of your party.

I don't know how much dumber a person could be... it works the way you want AND THERE ARE ONLY 2 VIABLE PARTIES. You're literally arguing against change because it might lead to the results WE ALREADY HAVE.

You're the one who wants to change the system and wants ranked choice voting to enshrine it forever. You're too myopically obsessed with "having your voice heard" by a candidate you don't want instead of building your own party's candidate into a position to win. You get to a third party system by building a movement, a party, a candidate - not by tossing your vote to someone who isn't your first choice. It'd be like putting a moderate Democrat who hates AOC putting AOC as their second choice. Keep on big braining it.

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KonyHawk_ProSlaver 3 points ago +3 / -0

You are a useful idiot for the left.

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Spicemustfiow 1 point ago +2 / -1

Bro.

You're a leftist. Go away. The language oozes it.

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ufkyflflfguio -2 points ago +1 / -3

No answer then? Keep coping then as the left locks Trump and everyone who supports him behind bars over bullshit.