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texas4ever 193 points ago +197 / -4

Recounts are worthless, only audits help.

The wording on this measure was really confusing...wouldn't be surprised if quite a few people were tricked into voting against what they supported.

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YesImWhite 100 points ago +105 / -5

The wording is fucking RETARDED.

People really thought the amendment was going to trigger laws to ban every single abortion for any reason. "INCLUDING in cases of rape and incest and medical procedures"

Don't have hope. The Kansas Women around me have really opened my eyes to how brainwashed they are... And the ones Pro Life are too scared and shy to say anything.

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Robbybobbyrobbob 51 points ago +53 / -2

Brainwashed is a good term -- my sister is "PrO LIFe" but supports RoE vS WadE. And is not uneducated in the slightest.

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YesImWhite 9 points ago +9 / -0

Seriously. I had to tell my sister how is it a HUMAN right if I can't get one? If it only applies to 50% of us? How is it a right of all humans?

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Puppy528 6 points ago +6 / -0

To say nothing of the human being killed bu the "process", completely healthy and viable or not.

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YesImWhite 5 points ago +5 / -0

"Why are you ok with Acid baths and the cutting in half of children with giant scissors?"

Is a strong statement and question

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KGB82 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's part of this ignorant progression delivering additional rights to all non-white and non-male people. All Ive learned from liberalism is the white male is apparently the preeminent creature on earth, requiring no help and able to suffer every abuse.

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CarpenterRichard 44 points ago +44 / -0

Roe vs Wade IS the government dictating to others. It demands that every state allow abortion even if the people of that state don't want it.

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45fan 17 points ago +17 / -0

Exactly.

Our rights are spelled out in the Constitution as negative powers of government. Particularly the federal government.

Roe v Wade jumped right into the "Fuck right off Fed" zone

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GodHatesBiden -2 points ago +2 / -4

I think it dictates its available to women in said state so the state government doesn't dictate it to individual residents.

your case only makes sense if 100% of the people in the state, to a person, dont want abortion. in which case, who cares, as no one is getting them. but its really only like 20% of Americans that think abortion is wrong 100% of the time. the rest is a gradient.

just like say, Kansas cannot bar like...zoroastrian temples...just because the vast majority of Kansans might think its like anti-bible or satanic or something. the right to worship is protected.

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kernel 1 point ago +1 / -0

They can ban zoroastrian temples .. if they can ban you from entering a shop if you don't submit to a fucking virus scam and wear a muzzle then can do anything

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GodHatesBiden 1 point ago +1 / -0

the mask bit was more or less as legally binding as a dress code.

I for one cringe deeply when someone wears jeans or a shirt without a collar while golfing.

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MAGAMechEng -5 points ago +2 / -7

Democracy is just a Tyranny of the Majority. The state, whether federal or local, as an agent of majority groupthink enforced on the individual is communism, bar none. When the state enforces anything, it is communism. You are promoting collectivist ideology, and should wise up. The group has no place dictating what the individual can and can't do in a truly free society. Your morals and bible are not mine, and I am not subject to them.

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swift_water 5 points ago +5 / -0

Morality isn't subjective nor relative. You don't get to just declare rape isn't wrong and then get away with rape.

You don't get to declare you don't care if you're killing a baby and then kill a baby either.

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Yaemz123 4 points ago +4 / -0

Incorrect. In all other circumstances your rights end where another person's begin. Only in the case of abortion was the right to murder another human due to your desire to do so carved out. In all other cases, the State assigns criminal status to a murder, regardless of anyone's religious preferences.

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Neutral_admin 12 points ago +13 / -1

Are libertarians ok with rape and murder laws?

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Swolehas 15 points ago +16 / -1

Libertarians are retarded. They don't believe in any government

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Cbdminme 3 points ago +3 / -0

Anarchist.

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Friar_Pede 3 points ago +3 / -0

No government is better than what we have at the federal level

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VolareVia 6 points ago +6 / -0

You only say that because you haven't lived under a warlord, which is what you get when there really is no government.

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flashersenpai 1 point ago +1 / -0

They don't believe in any government

Then they are seeing the state of it clearly.

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Dictator_Bob 0 points ago +1 / -1

Only an actual retard would equate small government conservatives or minarchists with anarchists. While "libertarian" anarchists are definitely out there they are an sharp minority and completely non-hostile unlike leftist "anarchists" that are violent and tyrannical. Libertarians can be a lot of things and among those being an irritant to authoritarian cunts is my favorite feature.

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The_Yakuza 0 points ago +1 / -1

You’re retarded if you believe anarchism and libertarianism is the same. Libertarianism believes in small limited federal government and strong state rights. Unless you love the uniparty and having a giant over stepping federal government. If that’s the case idk why you are here. And besides I bet the majority of people who hate libertarians are actually libertarian themselves, but are ignorant to their philosophy.

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flashersenpai 2 points ago +2 / -0

Law is irrelevant without force to enact them. If someone tries to murder or rape you, do something about it. The law won't help you.

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Jimmyprawns 2 points ago +2 / -0

The purpose of government is to protect property rights, provide for the common defence and provide a venue (a legal system) for settling disputes. Allowing them power over anything beyond that is inviting abuse.

When you have to go out back and duel to settle an argument, or hunt down a family member's killer. Shit has broke. When you're on your own for those things and government approved tyrants have unlimited power over you and yours, shits double broke.

We see leftist actions pushing us toward some kind of mad max scenario or some kind of 1984 scenario. Those two go hand in hand. Either way, the people are left vulnerable to the whims of assholes. But the dipshit, codependent, leftists fantasize about being dominated. And wish to force their unrealistic fantasies on everyone around them.

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Neutral_admin 1 point ago +1 / -0

So if someone successfully murders someone, then the murderer just gets on with their lives like nothing happens?

You giving a six year old a gun in case creepy uncle Joe just happens to be a pedo rapist?

Anarchy doesn't work.

Your description of libertarianism is nothing more than anarchy. But like a common commie, the name gets changed so it's totally different.

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Tardigrade 8 points ago +8 / -0

Wrong. The pro-life position is that the baby has a right to live, ie its not just a piece of the womans body that can be removed.

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Jimmyprawns 1 point ago +1 / -0

There are folks who, for personal reasons, morals, ethics and or principles, would not seek out an abortion or who would refuse one if offered. But they are willing to accommodate the morals, ethics, and or principles of others who would seek out an abortion or accept the offer of one. They have made a personal decision but not a decision to push those values on others.

The prolife crowd. Views the unborn as living children and abortion as murder. They are vehemently opposed to accommodating the morals, ethics and or principles of those who would abort a pregnancy. They want all abortions stopped.

Both parties may have similar views and beliefs. But both have reached vastly different conclusions on what should and what should not be legal. Or at minimum, how active versus passive a roll they want in the issue.

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swift_water 2 points ago +2 / -0

Morality isn't subjective. Just because someone declares they have a right to do wrong doesn't make it so.

This is an immutable law of the universe which governs the consequences of human behavior.

Just like you can't declare your religion says its okay to rape children and then proceed to rape children.

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Jimmyprawns 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Morality isn't subjective" that right there is a can of worms on its own.

I would wager that what you are arguing is a function of your belief system. A system once commonly held in the west but now increasingly being rejected in the west. In fact, what many leftists advocate is what they call 'moral relativity.'

This generally results in the rejection of all social moors. Intentionally "freeing" people from the unjust strictures of an external forces "morality." It started with the radicals among the boomers and has done all manner of damage to society across the board.

Also: "Just like you can't declare your religion says its okay to rape children and then proceed to rape children."

There are people in this world who do just that, and there are people in this world who accommodate it. Just ask anyone who spent enough time on the ground in Afghanistan. If you can get them to talk about it, your mind will be blown.

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HeavenlyTrumpets 2 points ago +5 / -3

Nope. You don't get to say it's okay to murder just because it's not you doing it.

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Meddlesom 2 points ago +2 / -0

The dumbfuck way.

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NonyaDB 7 points ago +8 / -1

Odd. The Kansas women - and men - around me tend to keep their fucking mouths shut, probably because I open-carry as is my right in this Constitutional Carry state.

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YesImWhite 3 points ago +3 / -0

IDK how far out of HS/College you are but most 20 something girls are extremely militant and vocal about their murder decision.

IDK about the open carry but you do you. I conceal carry everywhere in Kansas though

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Jimmyprawns 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'm not Catholic but have heard priests refer to the idea of a 'contraceptive mindset.' in context, they were discussing the degree to which the gravity of sex, it's potential consequences and thus people's reverence for marriage is reduced when sex can be recklessly engaged in as a form of recreation with strangers because pregnancy is removed from the possibilities list.

I don't have an anti birth control or anti condom view, but the words spoken got me thinking of the differing perspective when males and females do the big nasty.

Men almost always have the possibility of an 'oopsie' hanging over thier heads. Women however have a final and ultimate card they can play if anything doesn't go to plan. Mentally, they get to see themselves as able to turn on or off the consequences. This drives a wedge because taking away abortion levels the playing field in a way that infuriates women and goes mostly unnoticed by men.

If the guy knocks a girl up and she wants to kill it. He has no recourse. If she wants to keep it, he has no recourse. If she wants to keep the baby but also keep the man out of hers and The babys life but still extract monetary support from a distance, he has no recourse. The whole process puts a lot of power into the hands of sometimes randomly chosen women who may or may not be trustworthy.

Careful what you stick your dicks into gents. It is not a level field and if you make a decent living you are prime beef on the Serengeti. Women who refuse to seek out and exploit this power are rare indeed. If you happen across one, count yourself lucky and dont let her get away.

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masterfulsky 1 point ago +1 / -0

oooh stand back we got a badass over here

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GodHatesBiden 0 points ago +1 / -1

you'd shoot someone over agreeing with a court case from the 70s?

open carrying to prevent hearing ideas you dont like sounds like micro dick energy, dude.

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AJoeDD 2 points ago +2 / -0

He didn't say he'd shoot someone over that, you just took a huge leap...

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GodHatesBiden 0 points ago +1 / -1

sure but the implication is "they don't talk because I have a gun"

tiny, tiny dick energy.

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AJoeDD 3 points ago +3 / -0

It doesn't imply anything other than they are afraid and cautious to speak around someone who openly carries, their paranoia doesn't have any bearing on the intent of the person who carries.

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NonyaDB 1 point ago +1 / -0

No, you're imposing your own reactions on my own.
I'm saying that they're so hoplophobic that the mere sight of a firearm shuts them the fuck up.

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GodHatesBiden 1 point ago +1 / -0

idk man I carry everyday and people speak their mind just fine.

this guys doing something else.

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NonyaDB 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do they come up to you and start yelling about gun control? No?
They don't with me either. Odd.

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GodHatesBiden 1 point ago +1 / -0

idk if people give a shit about handguns all that much. they mostly get fired up over AKs and fat asses in body armor.

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rightwing_duck -4 points ago +13 / -17

Are you known for shooting people who disagree with you?

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Standingoak 14 points ago +14 / -0

An armed society is a polite society.

In the South they don't speak slowly because they are dumb , but "Bless your Heart"

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NonyaDB 10 points ago +11 / -1

Not really but they don't know that so I'm OK with it.
Cops don't say shit either, but then again they have pushed BLM's shit in every time they try to "protest" around here.
BLM support here is microscopic in size. Last time they tried to protest in Westport on a Saturday night they had to run away because they were getting threats of beatdowns from the local black population that was out drinking there that night.
The KC Metro is decidedly not a hotbed of BLM/ANTIFA protests or violence.

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AnacronicA 5 points ago +5 / -0

The NPCs know they can't attack or threaten you which leaves them with nothing as talking to you would require actual thinking which is a big no-no.

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Rooster-J-Cogburn 1 point ago +1 / -0

Maybe that is what is wrong with America.

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TheSuperStableGenius 6 points ago +7 / -1

Kansas sounds as cucked as Utah...fake red state shit.

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Lockbidenup 1 point ago +1 / -0

Even west to Lawrence. Wow Lawrence is so cringey with all the fairies there.

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TheSuperStableGenius 1 point ago +1 / -0

Note to self... avoid Kansas...

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YesImWhite 1 point ago +1 / -0

yeah. Too rural and then a massive ivory-tower sheltered-kid JOCounty that is high population.

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Filthy_MALE 5 points ago +5 / -0

I think the RvW hysteria is over. I don’t think there’s much reason to be shy about being prolife if you are polite about it.

DeSantis called all childslayer chicks fat a month ago and didn’t suffer any repercussions

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AlohaSnackbar 5 points ago +5 / -0

That's part of what gave me hope for america actually.

This was seen, by and large, by almost everyone as a vote for a total ban on abortion. With that as a backdrop, getting 40% to directly vote for what they perceive to be a total ban is a HUGE win. Hell, even on this very based forum, I'm not sure that 60% or more would say " no abortion in cases of rape/incest in the first 6 weeks".

We keep treating this as a loss, but it's a giant fucking win.

Just need to be smart next time and pick a number of weeks that will get 50% +1, and then move forward with that.

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Wtf_socialismreally 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have come around on children of rape being born and put to adoption, but incest is still another story.

It's already illegal, and it's illegal for good reason. Inbreeding with your direct family may not present obvious issues within the first generation, but will likely have something in the DNA that may present two or more down the line.

I am definitely more in favor of banning all abortion than in favor of using it as a contraceptive or social justice badge of honor though. Why side with the baby murderers and groomers?

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GodHatesBiden 1 point ago +1 / -0

We keep treating this as a loss, but it's a giant fucking win.

if its 38% of Kansas then its probably 22-25% of the country at large after a generation of evangelical and fox-news types claiming "We are the moral majority"

You are the moral...minority?

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45totheSky 12 points ago +13 / -1

anybody got a photo of the ballot? or wording of it?

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GunsWithGooglyEyes [S] 16 points ago +17 / -1

https://sos.ks.gov/elections/22elec/2022-Primary-Election-Constitutional-Amendment-HCR-5003.pdf

I should also say that independent registered voters ONLY got this question and did NOT have the rest of the down ballot.

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PraiseBeToScience 7 points ago +7 / -0

Still less confusing than half the stupid questions that end up on a Florida ballot.

Here's the text of a controversial solar amendment from a few years ago.

Rights of Electricity Consumers Regarding Solar Energy Choice

This amendment establishes a right under Florida's constitution for consumers to own or lease solar equipment installed on their property to generate electricity for their own use. State and local governments shall retain their abilities to protect consumer rights and public health, safety and welfare, and to ensure that consumers who do not choose to install solar are not required to subsidize the costs of backup power and electric grid access to those who do.

The entire thing was wholly written by the utility companies. It has zero benefit for consumers despite the deceptive wording, because you don't need any "right" established to own solar. It literally is already the law. The rest of it was to create an amendment to lock in a state utility company monopoly on solar installation and provision.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article109017387.html

The entire point of the amendment was to drive an actual citizen-backed amendment off the ballot that would've deregulated/opened the solar markets in Florida to competition.

So utility companies backed a fake PAC and created this fake question to fool people into voting to give utility companies the constitutional right to sue the state if the state ever tried to encourage solar, which would include laws requiring power companies to buy your surplus power when you contribute to the grid.

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Fitblue 4 points ago +4 / -0

Ya because forcing others to pay for solar rooftop owners share of grid maintenance is completely fair right? That was sarcasm by the way.

Rooftop solar is still connected to the grid and ongoing maintenance is required to keep that grid reliable. If they don’t want to pay maintenance, then perhaps they can request to be 100% disconnected from the grid.

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PraiseBeToScience 3 points ago +4 / -1

You're proving my point, you're being completely had by this amendment.

The entire point of it was to rely exclusively on people reading that text and think they're voting for something that they absolutely are not actually voting for. It was intentionally written to include every single phrase they could to bait voters.

The entire amendment was written by a fake PAC that was wholly funded by Florida utility companies, and they were caught on leaked audio bragging about how the amendment was a massive lie. If you think utility companies are ever going to do anything to benefit consumers, you're a retard, and the goal of the amendment was to sucker you into being their bitch on a leash.

There was supposed to be another amendment on the ballot that opened up the free market in Florida to solar companies, breaking a statewide utility monopoly (that's why it talks about "ensuring the safety of consumers", it's almost literally the exact argument California used to establish their handgun roster) that was actually backed by real people, so the power companies created a fake PAC and outspent them into the ground to get their amendment on by fooling everybody.

The actual goal was to argue that the utility company paying solar consumers for surplus power was "subsidizing the costs"... so the utility company could just take your power for free.

Honestly, where did you even get the foolish idea that solar consumers aren't paying for grid access or maintenance? They still get billed minimum-rate charges like everyone else. That you read that amendment and interpreted that they were not paying those fees is proof of how effective it was at fooling people.

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Fitblue 1 point ago +2 / -1

This amendment was from 2016.

Prior to that there was zero minimum fee. So if your creation or energy was more than you use, you would pay literally nothing.

Meanwhile the ongoing maintenance cost to ensure the reliability of the grid supporting the solar rooftop STILL needs to be paid. So the cost is shifted to others that don’t have solar units.

There is nothing confusing about the way it is written; maybe to idiots like you who just think “Dur dur big company bad”

Here is another example that a socialist like you can understand.

Electric cars use roads.

Gas tax pays for road maintenance.

Electric cars don’t use gas.

Should electric car registration pay additional fee to pay for road maintenance?

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PraiseBeToScience 1 point ago +1 / -0

Prior to that there was zero minimum fee. So if your creation or energy was more than you use, you would pay literally nothing.

So take that shit up with your utility company instead.

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GodHatesBiden 1 point ago +1 / -0

you think providing energy is the same as using a road?

what?

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BladesOfSteel2020 0 points ago +1 / -1

Right on, brother!

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akai_ferret 3 points ago +3 / -0

Apparently 100% disconnected from the grid is the way to go.
I recently learned if your panels are connected to the grid and the grid is down, you are shut off too (so you aren't putting power into the grid that can hurt line workers) and you can't even get power from your own panels. That defeats what I see as the primary reason to own them.

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Killroyusedtobehere 3 points ago +3 / -0

A stand alone off grid solar power system is a very expensive thing. You can buy your power from the power company for decades for what these systems cost even if you go DIY. I am building such a system for emergency power only. When I am done I will have 5 grand in a 4 panel system totaling 1.2 KW. I watched a video on you tube of a guy who powered a very small window unit air conditioner and it took 10 commercial cells to run the very tiny AC. Solar is not efficient, Solar is very expensive, If you use any lithium based storage battery you run the risk of burning down your home when they have a catastrophic failure ( Often, just look at EV losses).

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LibertarianXian 1 point ago +1 / -0

Reminds me of a James Kunstler article where he talks about how much of an expensive pain in the ass solar is: https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/its-not-working/

In a low-grade epiphany while going through this ordeal last week, I realized that back in 2013, instead of getting the solar electric system, I could have bought the Rolls Royce of home generators and buried a 500-gallon fuel tank outside the garage, and had a manual water pump piggy-backed onto the well, and maybe even purchased a fine, wood-fired cookstove — and had enough money left over for a two-week vacation in the South-of-France. Silly me.

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KrellKrypto 3 points ago +3 / -0

Pretty sure you do?

You can’t just start burning coal and make your own power can you?

You can’t even collect fucking rainwater lol

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PraiseBeToScience 2 points ago +2 / -0

"You do" what?

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KrellKrypto 1 point ago +1 / -0

The right to generate your own electricity.

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PraiseBeToScience 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you start burning coal to generate your own power, you're going to be shut down but it's going to have literally nothing to do with 'generating your own power' and everything to do with the giant cloud of black soot pouring out of your property.

You already have a legal right in Florida to own solar panels, and you always did, because there's nothing that says you can't. The amendment was a lie, whatever nonsense you think you're interpreting from it is completely false, don't try to argue this, you can just ask the utility lobbyists who wrote the damn thing.

There was another amendment that was trying to get on the ballot that would've deregulated the solar market in Florida, breaking a state-wide monopoly. Utility companies couldn't have that, so they created a fake PAC with a fake name ("Consumers for Smart Solar") and wrote this fake amendment full of flowery language specifically to drive the other initiative off the ballot and replace it with something that was going to give utility companies even more control over solar.

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LibertarianXian 1 point ago +1 / -0

"You can’t even collect fucking rainwater lol"

depends on the state

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GodHatesBiden 1 point ago +1 / -0

I consider myself a savvy reader of ballot measures but my god thats brilliantly 180 degrees.

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antho_2000 5 points ago +5 / -0

I can’t tell what A yes or a No would mean.

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FreeUrsulaHaverbeck 4 points ago +4 / -0

Holy shit that wording is outrageously confusing.

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RachetQueen2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Like me! I at least was told about the voting situation unlike other people.

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Arkanicide2022 2 points ago +3 / -1

I'm unaffiliated in Kansas and had the choice of which primary to vote in - R, D, or L. The fourth option was to claim unaffiliated and only vote on the abortion amendment, which is presumably how hundreds of thousands of people voted based on the vote totals of the primary races.

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Hunters10incher 11 points ago +12 / -1

It was written by republican legislators and church groups. Gotta wonder why they chose to phrase it that way.

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usdodsgssog 6 points ago +6 / -0

👀 Holy crap, I looked at the ballot wording and I have no idea which choice bans abortion. Saying "for" and "against" and then asking "yes" or "no" is confusing as hell. I probably would have chosen wrong.

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45totheSky -2 points ago +1 / -3

reading comprehension is hard!

research your ballots before voting, you're on the internet.

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BunnyPicnic 6 points ago +6 / -0

The wording was very misleading, especially if you are a normie and don't quite understand what's going on.

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deus_vult 78 points ago +78 / -0

Time to ban double-negatives on ballot questions.

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Groundpounder 34 points ago +34 / -0

You mean like, “if you don’t want to not ban abortions but really do want not to, circle yes”

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MAGA_Toaster 12 points ago +12 / -0

Direct democracy at its finest!

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Liquid_Hot_MAGA 0 points ago +1 / -1

Only who can prevent forest fires?

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SpecialOfficerDoofy 42 points ago +42 / -0

The wording on that 'question' was pretty bullshit.

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NvrTRUMPersRLeftists 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yeah, no clear statement of intent or scope. It reads like they are simply describing the state of the law currently with no discernable item in question to be for or against. They aborted that ballot measure, showed the mangled fetus to the voter and asked “is it dead or is it baby?”

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MakeAmericaGreat9 6 points ago +6 / -0

They do this on purpose and always have.

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tellittothedead1 30 points ago +30 / -0

Good. Why not?

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Formerlurker92 35 points ago +35 / -0

Audit everything, every time. Death sentences for cheaters

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Smarmcastic 8 points ago +10 / -2

You literally have fuckass Satanic pedophile drag queens allowed to teach and display children ..... and you think cheaters are gonna get the death penalty? Welcome to Earth.

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Formerlurker92 11 points ago +11 / -0

I'm stating my goals and wishes, step one to seeing them manifest

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Smarmcastic 2 points ago +2 / -0

Maybe it should be more this: https://youtu.be/htCJTPu8GPE?t=6

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Meddlesom 1 point ago +1 / -0

and nobody has beaten the shit out of a single one of them yet.

...but we're winning.

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Dontstopbelieving 1 point ago +1 / -0

That actually is the penalty for treason now. If Americans are selling out the country with foreign actors like dominion, china, italy, germany, uk, etc, then that is treason.

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madeaprofilejustforu 16 points ago +17 / -1

A recount won’t retroactively change the deceptive wording on the question asked, not will it change the answer given by deceived voters. Ho hum.

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MAGAguitar 15 points ago +15 / -0

Will they count the hands of the dead, aborted children who never had an opportunity to breathe let alone vote?

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NvrTRUMPersRLeftists 4 points ago +4 / -0

They would vote conservative, so no.

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defiant_liberty 10 points ago +10 / -0

The problem with Kansas is that the populated Kansas city metro area is deep blue, but the rest of the state is deep red. What Kansas needs to do is have a US 10th amendment for the state constitution, but for counties.

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RachetQueen2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Who need to be voted out in November.

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cantrememberpassword 8 points ago +8 / -0

They had confusing verbiage to this bill. Perhaps intentionally. It should have been (pick one):

  • No abortion period.
  • Abortion within 1 week so morning after pill will work (used for rape victims, or people who know they want zero risk of being pregnant).
  • Abortion up to 6 weeks or heart beat of the fetus.
  • Abortion up to first trimester.
  • Abortion up 20 - 24 weeks (as it was before).
  • Abortion up to birth.
  • Post birth abortion.
  • I don't care (legislators have full control)
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MAGAzineman 4 points ago +6 / -2

That's not how a ballot to change the constitution works

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Liquid_Hot_MAGA 1 point ago +2 / -1

Post birth? Lol wtf

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Wtf_socialismreally 0 points ago +1 / -1

Normal day for Planned Parenthood

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Yignuced 7 points ago +7 / -0

They intentionally worded it such that many people who would have voted no voted yes and vice versa, I’m sure.

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dagoat4l 7 points ago +7 / -0

They wording was awful. Maybe later on someone with a brain can revisit this. Never worry New York and California will allow abortions whenever you want to do one.

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Zskills 6 points ago +6 / -0

Good!! Do hand recount and audit, every single time.

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We_Like_The_Stock 5 points ago +5 / -0

At the end of the day, I want states to come up with their own decision (without fraud).

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ufkyflflfguio 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why not let individuals come up with their own decision? Government is never going to make better choices than individuals.

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MAGAzineman 1 point ago +3 / -2

This was a landslide in Kansas. No amount of found discrepancies are going to overturn it.

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We_Like_The_Stock 2 points ago +2 / -0

True. But just remember bleeding Kansas.

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MAGAzineman -2 points ago +1 / -3

That was a good thing, right?

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We_Like_The_Stock 1 point ago +1 / -0

I guess you could see it that way because it ultimately led to the abolition of slavery.

What I'm saying though, is that we should try so solve our differences peacefully rather than rushing towards a civil war.

Now that I think about, the modern bleeding Kansas may have already kicked off with the summer of love.

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MAGAzineman -2 points ago +1 / -3

Yes I am also for peaceful resolution of conflicts. The ballot measure was completely peaceful and there has been no violence there regarding this matter that I am aware of.

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narvster 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wonder if you went on twitter and cried about how fraud meant you couldn't kill your babies, would they strike you?

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MAGAzineman -3 points ago +1 / -4

I have no idea what you just said.

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yarg 5 points ago +6 / -1

All votes should be counted by hand.

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ManOfThePeople 5 points ago +6 / -1

to aid with counting by hand, kansas says they're pairing up with planned parenthood because they have a surplus of hands.

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GunsWithGooglyEyes [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's gonna to be a big fucking yikes from me, my dude.

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StolenElectionsKill 2 points ago +2 / -0

Oh come on. A little gallows humor is good some times.

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GunsWithGooglyEyes [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh don't get me wrong, I laughed at that too. Gonna need to take a shower after that one though lol.

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KiritoKatz 5 points ago +6 / -1

It was confusing at first. The left was putting out lots of lies about killing women if you vote yes. And that it would be a total ban which is also a lie. But the yard signs did help. You see the vote no signs and stickers on the woke liberal women's cars. Saw one at work that said "fuck amerikkka vote no". There were some good folks running for various positions. Of course they all lost. I do like Kobach tho.

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Dontstopbelieving 5 points ago +5 / -0

Enough evidence of machine corruption to mandate automatic hand count every single time. Dominion CEO should be sitting on a horse with noose already fixed. The moment the hand count shows vote flipped, then someone slaps the horses ass. Eventually nobody will want to sell machines to the cheaters.

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Wtf_socialismreally 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm pretty sure slapping AOC or Chelsea Clinton on the ass would be sexual assault

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MobileDev4Trump 5 points ago +6 / -1

Oh now it's okay. Republicans are bringing fists to a knife fight.

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RachetQueen2020 4 points ago +4 / -0

A group I am involved in is working on this. We have some sharp minds.

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NvrTRUMPersRLeftists 3 points ago +3 / -0

Maybe you can rewrite the proposition then.

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RachetQueen2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

It was worded horribly and was confusing. I don't want this place to become an Abortion Vacay.

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MobileDev4Trump 1 point ago +2 / -1

that's exactly what I'm complaining about. They sat around while the whole thing was sabotaged from the start. They are being reactive and proactive.

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BuzzLightyearSux 4 points ago +4 / -0

There's two images out there right now. First is the image that was plastered on this forum. The second shows a larger image in which 1) has proper spelling and grammar and 2) has a few paragraphs above which explains the legalize pretty clearly, even if the legalize itself was still strangely worded. Idk if either of those images have been confirmed.

Candidly, I'm not surprised it didn't pass. Constitutional amendments are tough, and I think that's the only conclusion you can draw from it. Unless there's some special legal reason I don't know why an amendment was ever necessary.

Most people are pro choice because they think it's a health issue. It's not, and when you point that out they get flooded with emotion because they've been told otherwise.

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DoNotCower 1 point ago +1 / -0

My understanding from lawyer friend was KS judge decision in 2019 made any abortion legal in KS, further court or legislative actions on abortion would not matter. Would need to overrule Roe vs Wade plus add clause to state constitution for legislative powers.

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mailinvoter 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's odd that the difference was 165,000 vote difference when Johnson County had a high turnout with 170,000 "NO" votes for genociding the unborn.

Unfortunately, the secretary of state, who happens to have the last name Schwab (no relation to Charles?), thinks recounts are audits and the sheriff is clueless about elections and has his thumb up his ass.

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Freedom4545 4 points ago +4 / -0

worth nothing this was placed on ballot before the roe decision came down. That said we already vote for our reps to represent our will in the government I don't really understand why this was ever put on a ballot, just do the will of the people who dominate Kansas.

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MAGAzineman -2 points ago +2 / -4

Legislators can't just change the constitution. This was a ballot to change the state constitution. And it was the will of the people that the provision protecting abortion should stay.

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Bernier4Canada 1 point ago +1 / -0

if anything this just proves that kansas is not completely against abortion, which is fine. It kills the left's most powerful talking point, which is that "republicans want to ban all abortion"

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flashersenpai 2 points ago +2 / -0

that's not something to be proud of

never moderate in the face of extremists

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Bernier4Canada 1 point ago +1 / -0

either:

A) Kansas is a republican state that does not oppose abortion entirely

or

B) Kansas is now a democrat state that will vote blue in midterms

this isn't about moderation, this is about kansas deciding they will keep abortion because that's what they want to do, republican or democrat.

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MAGAzineman -3 points ago +1 / -4

Historically it was the Catholics who were always against abortion. It wasn't until late 70s that US evangelicals started up against it. I think it is a recently manufactured religious issue. The Bible can be interpreted either way on this.

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Skywise 4 points ago +4 / -0

In this case I think the count is valid - the wording of that proposition was so twisted that even on my first and even 2nd reading I was against it as it sounded "pro abortion" to me.

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GunsWithGooglyEyes [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Good. Fuck those baby killing cucks.

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CommieCucker 3 points ago +3 / -0

their logic is so retarded....."my body my choice" is their main rallying cry, and that's objectively wrong on it's face. It's LITERALLY someone else's body.. They aren't sending their best, folks.

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SuperMagat 3 points ago +3 / -0

They are so secure in their misguided and naive beliefs.

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PureBloodedSuperStr8 3 points ago +3 / -0

Interesting development. Maybe someone knows something we don’t. We can hope, anyway.

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AbrahamLincoln 3 points ago +3 / -0

An election where they actually count the votes?

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KrellKrypto 3 points ago +3 / -0

Why not just keep holding re votes until it passes.

We are a clown republic now anyways.

Time to stop listening to made up rules

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BMAGAKING 3 points ago +3 / -0

Kansas is full of liberal Karen's so I doubt it changes.

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Servine 3 points ago +3 / -0

The Referendum read like a Liberal Meme, so no surprises there

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Ep1ctetus 3 points ago +3 / -0

Frens, the women supporting the current thing are running off emotion, not reason.

You will never be able to reason with women.

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Testosteroneape2000 2 points ago +2 / -0

That vote was bullshit.

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War_Hamster 2 points ago +2 / -0

The problem was the confusion over the wording in the bill.

Nobody could figure out what they were voting for.

The election could have easily been conducted fairly, but the electioneering was not.

Sneaky bastards.

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Ocineaa 2 points ago +2 / -0

How about an AUDIT

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Badradness 2 points ago +2 / -0

Excellent news, expose the fraud!

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TheTudes 2 points ago +2 / -0

oh my goodness -- they are applying logic here!

yes

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MajJamesMcFarlane 2 points ago +2 / -0

Here's hoping they don't fuck it up for women. The only state that has the balls to do the right thing

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KrellKrypto 2 points ago +2 / -0

Guess that’s what happens when most of your states population live in universities : /

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CommieCucker 2 points ago +2 / -0

What do Kansas' cities look like? Is it possible you just got outvoted by demographic? Forgive me if that's a dumb question, but I don't know the populations of your state

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GunsWithGooglyEyes [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Topeka, Lawrence, and the Kansas Half of Kansas City are VERY liberal. Wichita is also another liberal city. Lot's of blacks, illegals and a very sharp spike in blue-hair population. I live very close to Wichita, and a lot of the people around here are conservatives, though a good chunk of them believe what ever Fox News tells them.

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CommieCucker 2 points ago +2 / -0

these population concentrations are exactly why we have an electoral college, but even the hard barrier of geography is being attacked now (the government and soros and the catholic church and others bussing these fuckers around where they're needed). I think people as a whole are starting to wake up to the old guard propaganda, though, i do think things are going to get better informationally for us soon (whether that means eventual civil war and whether that's good or bad, i can't say)

edit: i think states need their OWN electoral colleges, but it's too late for that now

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GunsWithGooglyEyes [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pisses me off ever time I see our state's election results map and it is red through out with little blue spots, and the commies still win. People are waking up to what is going on here. I do my best to keep people informed of the shenanigans these fuckers try to pull. We need to be fed up with it.

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Gizmo17 2 points ago +2 / -0

Everyone is commenting on the ambiguous wording. But doesn’t that hurt both sides? Maybe I’m missing something.

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GunsWithGooglyEyes [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

The only thing I could think up is that it may look like Kansan people are too stupid to read. ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE, but that would be the only thing I could see that is bad

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TrumpChampBelt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Kansas. A reminder that the only thing communist democrats have to do to completely undermine the will of a state's people is to pack one "big" city in the state with California retards like sardines.

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MerlynTrump 2 points ago +2 / -0

wording should be "the constitution of this state is neutral in regards to abortion". Then a few years later "the legislature may not permit abortions passed 12 weeks gestation, nor may tax payer funds be used to pay for abortions" then "a minor under the age of 21 must get the consent of a parent".

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GuerillaYourDreams 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's not the count. It's the WORDING. The measure was worded in a way where those who wanted more regulation against abortion voted the opposite way. Democrat trickery, once again.

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Hunters10incher 0 points ago +1 / -1

It was written by republican legislators and pro life church groups. So if there's trickery it was their's. Why?

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6daysandrest 2 points ago +2 / -0

There were people here who voted against this amendment because it wasn't a total ban on abortion.

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SteelDriver 2 points ago +2 / -0

Why bother. Take a page from the leftists - run the same damn referendum over and over until the voters 'get it right'.

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GunsWithGooglyEyes [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I am going to have to correct you, my fellow pede. It's until the vote COUNTERS get it right.

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K-Harbour 2 points ago +2 / -0

They learned long ago to repress the people by controlling the wording that goes on the ballot.

An issue is won or lost before the ballots are even printed.

We need to wake up to the reality that we only pretend to have a democracy.

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Swimmer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Come to Kansas and murder your baby. New Kansas slogan.

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UberPatr10t 2 points ago +2 / -0

Exercise in futility

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jctbg20 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why is this vote not happening on election day

Truth be told, pro life people generally as obsessed with this topic as pro abortion people are... I'm not sure why, since it's literally life or death, but it is what it is

Were older conservatives even aware this vote was happening?

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GunsWithGooglyEyes [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

In my area at least, it was the largest turnout that I had seen for an off-season election. Lots of older folk, as well as commies that stood out like a sore thumb.

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ufkyflflfguio -1 points ago +1 / -2

Because it doesn't affect YOU personally, but it does affect the individual who wants an abortion directly.

Which makes me wonder why you pretend to actually care so much?

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jctbg20 1 point ago +1 / -0

Because I don't want to set a precedent that allows one kind of murder

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ufkyflflfguio -1 points ago +1 / -2

You believe it's ok to kill someone in self-defense, right?

Well what do you call it when someone is invading your very body and you kill them in order to stop them?

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jctbg20 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes

And umm, self defense from rape?

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ufkyflflfguio 0 points ago +1 / -1

You can call it rape if you want, but I don't believe the fetus is invading somebody else's body for sexual reasons.

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jctbg20 1 point ago +1 / -0

How is it invading a woman's body if it was born there?

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ufkyflflfguio -1 points ago +1 / -2

Let's say I invite you over for dinner. But during dinner, for whatever reason, I change my mind and I want you to leave.

What happens if you refuse to leave?

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teamshred 1 point ago +1 / -0

My state does not have ballot initiatives which I always thought was kind of bogus but shit like this makes me think people are too stupid to have that level of influence over policy.

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Obeisiak 1 point ago +1 / -0

wondering why they wouldnt do that for the presidential election, seems like losing children and possible taxpayers is prioritized higher than the presidential election. only lets you guess how much impact in politics you have by voting

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IvIA6A 1 point ago +1 / -0

Buying time to find a bunch of ballots in a trunk.