They'll probably get huge tax credits for doing this. Believe it or not the average MPG of every model a company manufactures is how they're ranked and favored for tax credits. These car companies know what they're doing and they don't want to lose money to go green. They know you and I the taxpayer will make up for those loses not them.
That plus the fact that you are literally purchasing twice as much vehicle - mostly in the cabin or other useless shit
Look at the curb weight of an 89 Dodge Ram 3500. Now look at the curb weight of any modern 3500 series pickup. And towing capacity is pretty much the same
And they are fucking BIG!...new Ford ranger is the size of an old f150..I guess since they gotta reduce weight to get mpg they have to make bigger for collision mitigation?...I don't know but new f150s are as big as Mac trucks
That's part of it, but the bigger part is the size arms race. People don't want to be in the smaller vehicle. That's why SUV's, and pickups keep betting fucking bigger and bigger. Nobody will buy something the size of a Nissan B3000 anymore.
I'd love to have a small, efficient pickup. I need the space to carry shit, not the towing capacity. The only reason no one buys them is because no one sells them.
Even Toyota has gone this route. The Tacoma used to be a compact pickup. Now they're essentially a full size truck (with a cramped passenger compartment thanks to 'safety regs).
They need to increase the size of the vehicle footprint to meet emissions standards. The bigger they are the more inefficient they are allowed to be. So small duty trucks are impossible now.
Whenever I see a guy in a huge truck (and not actually using it for work) I automatically assume they are trying to compensate because they have a small penis.
If you see him stop for gas and he has to climb down his tire to get out, and he’s not driving a monster truck then you’re probably right. Those of us who are 6’5” or so kinda need some room in the truck to fit pede. I don’t step up into my truck, I slide into it sideways. And yes, it’s been used for work. 560000km and counting. I enjoy the fact that I’ve bounced 5 deer off my push grill and I’m still driving just fine. Try that in a fuel efficient shit box that’s basically a glorified office chair and enjoy your Bambi lap dance while I keep driving home and wash the fur off later.
That plus the fact that you are literally purchasing twice as much vehicle - mostly in the cabin or other useless shit.
Car manufacturers are shifting towards becoming integrators vs. vertical manufacturers. It's been happening for awhile with car interiors. Cars have ceased to become transportation and instead have become entertainment centers for the same bugmen types that wait for the latest iPhone releases and live inside their Oculus worlds. I look forward to watching them cry out when their car's lead-free solder ECB shit out on them.
My 96 Dodge 3500 Cummins dually is way lighter than the new 3500 Cummins. It's also way smaller and can tow way more.
Source? Friend has a 2021 we both just towed to Bristol he struggled over the mountains with a 5ft shorter trailer. Mine sat on Cruze control the entire trip.
I mean, you're right, but at what point do we just realize that when you can count on one hand the legit members of the RNC, that "Republicans" or RINOs are just actually the party.
Try 10 year, pede, with 0% if you have great credit. Artificial stimulus creates inflation that out paces wages. Every time.
If the housing market falls much further they will get 40 and 50 year mortgages on deck. Watch.
Financing here starts at 7% with good credit in the present climate. 0% is a thing of the past. And that's for a vehicle you don't even really want since to get the options or model you want (aka whatever the lot doesn't have) there's a 1 to 2 year wait due to "supply chain issues"
Dealerships have embraced Supply Chain issues....they have never seen fatter profits for less car sold in the entirety of car sales. Supply Chain issues will be hear to stay and will be the new normal.
Yep, changed pretty quickly in the last 6 months hasn't it?
Wife wants me to get rid of the 22 year old jeep because it's noisy and the ac doesn't work. Not happening. She has her princess car I have my ride. Not paying these prices.
Well it's bad, but it's not THAT bad. I'm in the middle of this process right now, and for a limited production car. An Audi RS3.
I put the deposit down in March, and it's expected to get here in October. And a couple of those months were due to the dealership I ordered from waiting for an "RS slot", because Audi dealerships can only order so many RS cars, based on their sales numbers.
So the car was available to order in May, then I got my slot in July, and the car should show up this fall.
the resell price of the vehicle at that time will be significantly less than the price of Battery Replacement (Repair will not be worth it as batteries of that age will just start dying frequently). 10 year old Tesla Model S sell for 8-10K.....battery replacements start at 22K-27K. That doesn't take into consideration other looming electrical issues in the vehicle. EV's are a very bad purchase once they get past the 5-7 year old mark.
They'll ruin driving too - their goal is the cell phone model, upgrade every couple of years, trash the old one, just keep paying a monthly contract forever. They'll force upgrades by ending support, tie tolls and maintenance to the computer, make it undrivable if you don't pay the contract, mileage limits, etc. Fucking nightmare.
iirc the truck thing in particular was because of a trade war over a tariff on chickens. One of the things that ended up happening as a result was the tariff on foreign trucks was massively increased meaning companies have no reason to try to import trucks to the US for sale because they'll hardly make any money on, which means local manufacturers have no real competition and can charge whatever they want.
I don't feel that the taxes we citizens pay, and the money the Government spends, have much in common anymore.
The Government is spending money irregardless of taxes, whereas taxation is a tool to impoverish the citizenry.
The government deficit is a perpetual mortgage on the tax payers of a nation. The gov't increase it's spending because it is betting on two things, an increasing population and inflation. In fact that is the guarantee that ensures gov't can run deficits of 2-5 years their total gdp. Back during the gold standard they assumed the deficit was high at 50% of a year gdp and at 100% it was seem as the nation is about to collapse. No faith whatsoever.
Remember 10% inflation means around .7-1% more in sales taxes, for example something you like costed 2 bucks you may have paid 2,20 at the register now it costs 2,20 and you're paying 2,42 at the register. If the total sales in the u.s. is 1t that 1% is a 10b increase in taxes collected just on sales so instead of collecting 100b out of 1t they'll collect 110b out of 1.1t if spending habits remain unaltered. Inflation isn't a bad thing to gov't or bankers just for the middle class. If you want to see the fed scramble to stop something you need to wait for a deflation, when the dollar starts being valued more they'll literally start printing money non stop until they get a 1-2% inflation going.
The Government is running up inflation to do two things. #1 Is devalues debt. Who is carrying the greatest amount of debt in the world? The US Government. Debt is a paper asset, so when you devalue the USD, you also devalue said debt. Anyone who holds debt benefits from inflation. #2 it blows up tax revenue (as you point out). Because wages cannot keep pace with inflation, the Government gobbles up more of the money in circulation. This is especially hard on property owners. If you own property your taxes increase because the assessed value increases (because the USD has lost value). Retired property owners are hardest hit because their retirement pay (especially SSI) is always woefully behind inflation. Eventually owners won't be able to afford to pay taxes and will either sell or default.
What the [shadow] Government is betting on is making everyone poor and dependent. The State (and its proxies) will own everything. More and more people will own nothing, live in a pod, and eat their alloted portion of bugs.
The government makes a 5 year green plan and orders companies to follow it. The twist here is that it uses profit handouts to private companies instead of directly owning those companies. The Marxist Left's "Capitalism".
but say goodbye to people who travel a lot buying your Dodge chargers. no one's got time to sit at a fucking electrical outlet for 3 hours every 200 miles when ur on a road trip
electric vehicles can never replace gas powered vehicles so long as it takes 300 times longer to charge your electric vehicle than to refill your car at the pump
it's the difference between a 500 mi trip taking an extra 15 minutes total because you had to fill up three times or taking an extra 3 hours total because he had to recharge five times
electric cars are quite literally worse than gas powered cars by every metric in every single category except one: they're greener
electric cars don't go as far perfect. they take longer to recharge. there's a much more significant reduction in fuel economy when running the heat or AC in an electric car versus a gas power. simple things like music air conditioning charging your phone and headlights which are usually handled by the alternator are significant large drain on an electric car because it has no alternator..
there are some there are some more expensive to buy. more difficult to repair and more expensive to fix. there's a huge market for aftermarket parts and do it yourself repairs for regular cars but for an electric car it's much more difficult than costly to replace batteries and other things..
they don't do anything better than a gas-powered car. there's nothing in electric car can do to gas powered car couldn't be made to doo
so they are a worse product that costs more money to deliver worse performance all to solve a single problem that won't even be impacted much regardless
they created a worse product just to solve one problem
electric cars are like the Apple watch: completely useless but a status symbol for wealthy middle class suburban knights who don't really need it other than occasionally driving it to and from the store
edit: and before some Tesla Fanboys try to claim that Tesla has a bunch of features that other cars don't- there's absolutely no feature in a Tesla or any other electric car that couldn't also be ported over to a gas-powered car. none of the features that Tesla has require it to be an electric car..
Put this way - it would take 100+ years of driving that new EV before it made up for the material and energy tossed aside in getting rid of my half-ton pickup in exchange for it. As a bonus, my truck isn't powered by materials mined by child or Uighur forced labor.
Don't worry, I'm sure someone with a masters in social justice pottery is working hard on their concept of putting windmills on top of electric vehicles after getting a government grant.
They aren't even greener. The manufacturing of the battery is equivalent almost a decade of gas emissions alone. Once you factor in the strip mines and industrial waste there is no possible argument that they win out.
Of course, the people pushing them already know this and that's why they have already openly stated that it won't matter anyway. They do not intend for the unwashed masses to drive at all.
if you own a phone for more tahn 2 years you know well that batteries will hold less charge and you have to change batteries sooner or later. Batteries aren't eternal they eventually need replacing.
I couldn't agree more. I used to work as a mechanic before when I was younger. I was/am certified in electrical systems. An electric car might be fun for some small purposes. like if you don't ever plan on going for a long trip. Just like a grocery getter. I love going to K1 and racing the electric go karts indoors. That's a lot of fun. And another thing, our modern gas vehicles are so damn clean. You can't even commit suicide by running them in the garage anymore. I heard about a guy who tried in a newer Honda civic. "SULEV" rated. I think he was in there for a few hours and all he had was a headache.
lol you think electric cars are for travelling. the goal is to keep you autonomous with a vehicle within 50 miles of your home. If you have to travel you'll fly (boost airline stocks), there you'll rent (boost rental company stocks), on and on. Meanwhile they'll let highways deteriorate and save billions in maintenance costs by having less cars travelling. The government make billions on gas taxes but the problem is that money is spent in road maintenance so in a politician hand it's not money easy to steal.
the whole objective of this futuristic future is to make money go around, but instead of you buying things you're always spending to maintain a certain standard. hell i can envision a future where you don't even buy electric cars anymore you buy a subscription to use them and everytime you go to your brands charging lot it'll be full of cars charging so what you do is swap cars instead of waiting it to recharge.
You go to some cities and there are shareable electric mopeds, cars, bikes, electric scooters on and on. It's a fucking mess and all those things edge cars out of the roads and out of parking spaces.
edit: just to add some real life reasons why they want to push this. In Europe there are countries where groceries are more expensive across a border so many europeans will travel to go shopping in a neighboring country specially those who live near borders. Canada does that with the U.S> the U.s. does it with Mexico (medicine) and I am sure people in expensive u.s. states do so as well. This is all an attempt to keep tax cows corralled to their tax designated areas.
but say goodbye to people who travel a lot buying your Dodge chargers. no one's got time to sit at a fucking electrical outlet for 3 hours every 200 miles when ur on a road trip
The goal is to end road trips.
Between EVs, fuel prices, "mass" transit, light rail, self-driving cars and every other gubmint-subsidized freedom-stealing boondoggle, the goal is to make you as dependent as possible on others (read: the government) for transit.
You can drive 6 hours straight on a Tesla, charge for 15 minutes, then drive another three hours. You aren't going to do the 16 hour straight trip on red bull, but besides that you are fine
Buying? Dudes spearheading the new world order where a honda civic will be 100k and infinitely back order and u need to jerk off a robot dick if u want to use it for leisure
Chrysler got a bunch of money to develop a BSG, it's the thing that kills your engine when stopped. It's a piece of crap, the only incentive to develop it was to get the free money, can you imagine the motivation to make it actually work?
it's kind of insane that after five generations of updates they finally got a semi-decent car that doesn't break down all the time and they're going to massively overhaul it almost immediately
everybody remember the first generation Chrysler 300? the piece of crap that looked bad and broke down all the time? just wait till you get the first generation electric car. waiting for that 0% reliability Scor
my lovely Dodge Charge is 8 years old, 117K miles, only had to get new tires for it. Oh, and replace a side mirror some drunk ass idiot kicked off. Engine is great. 22 MPG, looks good. I love it!
I used to work on my old Dodge mopar. I get it. Calculating product life cycle into engineering is corrupt. The last generation has suffered through cartelization of our industries. We used to be able to call them out for bad products. Now these industrialists are trying to build services we're embedded in forever while stifling competition.
This needs to change and I hope President Trump understands that.
It's like how Apple tells it's customers what they're going to like. (And they actually do listen). Instead of giving them what they really want. Seriously WTF why would you get rid of the headphone/ audio jack and have to use a custom apple lightning charger that is proprietary.
It's like they come out with a phone with a bigger screen, and they say it's so much better. Then a year latter they come out with a smaller screen, and they say it's so much better. Then a bigger screen again. It's a never ending cycle.
because they buy it for the brand. The funny thing is now days most can't even tell if someone is using an apple phone or one of the dozen chinese knockoffs that are sold at a 10th of the price.
It’s for a quick bounce and jump ship with the profits. This happened at my company too. Big “green” initiatives got government tax incentives, subsidies, etc and a quick inflow of investor cash by these 15-minutes-of-fame venture capitalists pouring cash in because they believe they’ve found the company who will spearhead innovation. Stock balloons, then the executives head for greener pastures (no pun intended), company drops to the absolute tank when reality catches up.
It’s like a crossover SUV too. They grabbed the Mustang nameplate to get notoriety instead of launching some new car that everyone thinks is gay because it’s an EV. So they siphoned the hype of the Mustang and took the nameplate. They still make actual Mustangs but the “Mach E” is the mini SUV EV.
One passed me the other day,..FUCKING UGLY AS SHIIT
I saw the mustang logo and laughed it took me a few seconds I literally thought someone b had glued logo on to their tesla as a joke
Then I got it...oh, why try a new name when u could borrow clout from your "sport" car
Then I said, well why the fuck 4 doors and why such an ugly suv shape? Is it because the appeal of a tesla is the shape?...no that can't be it, must be something to do with the position of the battery
Anyways..yeah they might as well kill of 70 years of mustang history, the commies that work there don't give a fuck, propaganda before integrity just like those commies who work at Disney making sure a new starwars "baby" character is in every new show
Because they're dumb? It's basically an Escape/Escort with a Mustang tag. I've always been a Mustang guy, but the new gas Mustang, not a fan. Mach-E - was interested when announced - but after seeing it - fuck right off. Just looks off, not a Mustang.
But that's all Fords, really. I hate their body styling, and they're all merging into a vague Escape rounded Euro egg thing shape, even the Explorer looks like an Escape.
It's really hard to find cars now that have distinct look and style.
Mustang Mach-E is a very good name. Of course "muscle car guys" are not a great target customer. Just make a decent electric car that charges at my home and doesnt cost $80k and I'll consider it, based purely on economics and the convenience of fueling up at home while I sleep.
The Jeep inline 6 was a dated 4.0 push rod engine. The new inline 6 makes more power than the Scat Pak and the RTs. Not the Hellcat. Of course who knows what all will happen. I think Dodge likes to tease.
neighbor got the mini EV for like 35k, I think, new.
constantly gives updates on his costs, which is annoying, but he can super charge it on the road in like 30 minutes and is paying like 17 dollars in electricity for a week where he drives 9 hours.
Honestly if you drive a lot it can be worth it. One of our vehicles costs $500 a month in gas, also our insurance would be half. So I would save 600 a month if I got a Tesla. That’s a huge chunk to offset the cost of a vehicle who’s payment would be $1000 a month. My current cost is $1500 for payment plus gas.
#1 we need a vehicle for 3 kids with car seats and also room for luggage. Very few options.
#2 the wife’s job requires a lot of driving.
#3 we have solar so charging would basically be free.
#4 nice cars are an unsaid requirement for our jobs.
What kind of retarded asshat would make the comment you did. Let me let you in on a secret, $1500 isn’t even shit to me. I am just cutting down on costs so I can have even more fun on my trips.
Honestly I think a comment like yours means you’re a psychopath. What an idiot. You didn’t even understand the basic concept of what I said. There are probably millions of people in my exact situation and you are sitting there talking shit instead of understanding what is happening in the real world. Moron to the Nth degree.
If you're in that deep on a car you're retarded with money, "average" or not. Just because tons of people need bling bling shit to keep up with the neighbors, and take stupid deals to do it, doesn't make it not stupid.
This factoid also doesn't appear to be true, $700 is the number I'm seeing for average new car payment. Median payment would also probably be more accurate to what typical people are actually paying, but I'm not seeing anyone publishing it.
And maintenance issues, including this horrifying reality:
Coolant service
Battery electric cars have no engine but they still have coolant keep that big battery from doing what it naturally wants to do: catch fire.
It's really more about battery cycles and time than miles. 7-10 years seems to be about the expected lifetime in the real world. This is also about what I get out of good quality 18650s I run in my flashlights that I take decent care to not over/underdischarge and are never put under extreme loads.
Batteries just have a fairly fixed usable lifetime and there's not much anyone has done about it except for really exotic types designed to be long term storable. There's a lot of materials in em that will tend to degrade over time just left on the shelf.
That is reality. At least of more modern cars - past generations had a lifespan of 150-200k miles, but we are seeing much better batteries now than we saw a decade ago
Uh, yeah. You can’t use water for an electric car fire. The batteries are made of lithium which reacts violently with water. Most firefighting foams, which are expensive and not figured into infrastructure are usually toxic as fuck to the environment, especially seeping into ground water.
Teslas have a battery blowout valve now. Teslas battery packs are assembled from thousands of individual small cells each of which has a built in "pressure relief" feature which basicly ruptures the cell canister in a controlled manner and location.
It is not a resetable feature, its a safety relief to prevent a explosive failure, and it renders the cell effectivly permanently defective. Think of it as like the "ring pull" on a soft drink or beer can,...but on a much smaller scale.
what you talkin' about willis! I've had my Charger for 8 years. Love it. Get good mileage. Smooth driving, no issues. Transmission works great! It's a comfortable ride.
Sit down. They already make huge batteries for their plug in hybrid line. My buddy has one and just joined a class action suit because he can’t charge it anymore because Chrysler sent out a notice saying they keep catching on fire and they don’t know how to fix the problem. He’s pissed.
I've driven two Fords past 100k with no repairs. I have tons of friends and relatives who have driven Explorers for even more. Those were older Fords. Fords were damned good in the 90's and 00's.
I was a hardcore Ford man for ages. Then my 2004 F-150 Lariat needed new plugs. And I found out about the plug fusing issue that Ford notoriously ignored and issued no recalls on. A routine plug replacement turned into $2k job. I called Ford and was told rather bluntly that is not covered, there's no service bulletin and no recall and as such the repair was on me. Switched to Dodge and my 2014 Ram has 167,000 miles on it with no issues. But I may just start buying old used trucks now.
Classic MOPAR had some pretty great models though. Pink Panther Cuda one of the most awesome and crazy choices from the era. There was a lot of personality in cars back then!
Someone needs to start a company and get all the old timers we still have from the muscle era to guide the company and the younger guys (toxic males) into recreating what they are taking away.
Even in pop culture. Country has trucks, rap has aspirational brands and supercars. No bitchin' Camaros, no true death four hundred horsepower, no Cadillacs as big as a whale.
Wouldn't really say it's a bad thing either, it's more just what's in and out of fashion.
When musclecars were in their golden age there were no forced induction I4 engines that could put out 350 horsies, it was a 350ci V8 that was pushing maybe 200 on a really good day.
Now when you build a factory musclecar it's MUSCLE to the point of not something I'd want to drive daily. Base V8 charger has 380HP, next step up has 485, and after that it's 700+. When I was growing up 400+ was a "wow" number in the Mustang zines after people built and tuned their shit, not off the shelf.
Around 300 has felt like the sweet spot to me, you have plenty of power, can do all the retard parking lot donut shit, but it's not unmanageable even without a computer deciding when and where to put it down.
So glad I bought my car before all this EV idiocy.
I live in a state where it can be -10* for a week EV wouldn’t even get me to the next town over before needing a full charge, turning my 3 hour road trip into a 6 hour road trip.
I live in one of the most desolate parts of America. Driving around the state in an EV would probably literally kill you. Imagine being on US-50 and suddenly it says "You have 25 miles of charge left... searching for charging points... none found."
You got it wrong, that tesla has 150 miles range while your gasoline car has an infinite range. Just take 3 minutes to gas up and you're on the road again.
Many times I went to florida, which is like 1700 miles from where I live in canada in one go, sometimes using two drivers.
Tesla's have about 300 miles of range in normal conditions, 150 before a charge in worst conditions possible. 15 minutes to do a recharge and you are back on the road with a Tesla
Good for your truck? I don't have a problem with gas trucks. I don't see why people have problems with electric cars. People aren't nearly this emotionally invested as gas vs electric heating, stove tops, etc. They each have their pros and cons.
I am far more emotionally invested in gas vs electric stoves. Glass top electric stoves are absolute shit, borderline unusable pieces of garbage. Plain coil or gas only, with induction being ok but it doesn't work on copper pans
When it’s 370 miles from A to B it takes 5 hours in a gas car. depending on the conditions It could take anywhere from 6 to 10 hours in an EV. My time is a commodity and it also needs to be used efficiently.
Or - I’m way in the backwoods of bum fuck, good thing I have 4 jerry cans to extend my range to make it out.
In the same vein - sorry bro can tow you out of here it will reduce my range too much.
IC powered vehicles give you more freedom, independence, and allow you to be more self reliant as well as make better use of your time.
I remember back the ‘00s watching a show about lithium battrees. They said they ran best in the ballpark of 170° so they insulated them so they would hit proper temps. Do you know anything about that or if Tesla has heat stuff similar to a diesel truck with glow plugs.
The car will maintain the batteries at whatever temp they need to be yeah. This can amount to extra battery drain in the winter, which is why the range is lessened.
This (and Mexicans) is what I associate Dodge musclecars with and I don't even live in an area with many of them. Under-50 white guys around here are either truck guys or euro/ricer "tuner" types, and the older car guy set is Vettes and classics.
Wonder what the repo rate is, and also what it was like 6 months after the coof stimmy checks dropped.
“We are celebrating the end of an era — and the start of a bright new electrified future — by staying true to our brand,” Tim Kuniskis, Dodge brand chief executive officer said.
Gotta read between the lines here...
If they're "staying true to their brand", that means they intend to continue building crap that blows up.
If their batteries blow up as often as their transmissions do, I'm sure it'll be a "bright" electrified future indeed!
If you live near a military base you’ll also see them, driving around brand new on 28% APR and all the sudden one day the car is gone…these dealerships live for the macho military dude who has no financial knowledge and exploit the hell out of them
Refuse to buy electric vehicles and they will get the message. The manufacturers have gotten us to drive trucks and SUVs in place of cars, so they can make more money. EVs cost more than an ICE truck or SUV. Vehicle payments are now as much as some mortgages. Why be a slave to what they want. EVs do not help the environment as much as they told us. The waste from spent batteries plus the way lithium is mined prove that. Research your next vehicle carefully.
Unfortunately you’ll have to rely on Californians not to buy electric. The biggest auto market in the country is in that state and Car manufacturers set their trends to the California market.
That might be somewhat true for lithium but nickel and cobalt mining have had devastating effects due to the fact that is mostly mined in unregulated countries not to mention slave labor is used in african based cobalt mining operations.
Nickel is Russia, mostly one town in Siberia. No environment there either.
Cobalt is actually done by proper mining companies in the Congo, those human rights issues you see are actually theives - government involvement would mean having those theives shot.
Your literally cherrry picking information. The nickel mine in russia is just one of many operations. Look up what other nickel mines have done in other under developed countries. They employee strip mining and the waste from chemical refining is just dumped into the nearest river. The environmental impacts these have is pretty well documented now. Large regions spanning several hundred square miles of river and coastline have been rendered toxic and unlivable because of it. There is a lot of cover up going on around the african mining operations to make them look good.
This has to be possibly the dumbest woke move in the history of corporations. Has Chrysler done any kind of research on their customer base? I don't think the particular demographic that purchases Dodge Chargers/Hellcats will be excited for electric cars. You just don't look/feel very cool blocking an intersection at night and doing donuts while shooting your gat in the air in a fucking Prius.
I have to admit that the twin turbo i-6 is probably going to be pretty bad ass. I own another vehicle with the i-4 version of that engine and it performs surprising well. I love my V-8's though so I'm sad to see the hemi go.
I see about 5x more Chargers and Challengers where I live than all electric cars combined. If you have stock sell it now before they tank to sell a "reCharger".
Um you don't do oil changes? Your tranny lasts 300k miles? lol don't kid yourself that you have no costs. You will spend 20k in gas by the time i have to replace the 20k battery.
Cost is not the only factor, even though I'll roll a 2011 corolla if I want to save for real.
Why the complete fuck your cult can't accept that I'll use a gasoline car even though it may cost more?
Again, no point arguing with EV cultists, seems like you have no real world experience on how to maintain that old 5000$ car or truck and make it to last you as long as parts are available, and actually having infinite range. You'll always use your made-up "best in case scenario" pre-made calculations on how it costs less and everything about it is far superior.
Why the complete fuck your cult can't accept that I'll use a gasoline car even though it may cost more?
Hey faggot where did I ever say I had a problem with gas powered cars? You are in the cult because you are locked into gas only mentality. I could care less what you drive and i hope gas comes back down to $2gal.
Here is a better cost breakdown for you at the current $5 per gallon rates. Per 100,000 miles for both EVs and ICE and with 100k and 250k total. This is the cost of fuel, then the cost of the fuel plus car. Yes a Toyota Camry will cost you 15k per 100k miles in gas.
The Camaro is a typical GM bad decision story. The 6th Gen Camaro is ugly as sin and generic to most people, isn’t a very nice daily driver, and is harsh with poor visibility. The 5th Gen was a real success, what were they thinking? Meanwhile the Challenger and Mustang S550 are good looking, comfortable cars that you can live with every day and still have a great time driving. The Camaro already died once too.
GM has the Corvette that is their real sports car focus, and I doubt it’s going anywhere any time soon.
Also, the Mustang S650 is coming soon, with a proper V8. The Mach E is just piggybacking off of the success of real Mustangs, it’s just a badge after all.
Stellantis killing the Challenger/Charger at this point is just retarded though. It sells well and is a unique, fun car no matter what the haters say.
All that said, even if all the muscle car nameplates disappeared tomorrow, there’s still lots of fun to be had. There’s the Supra, GR86, 400Z, WRX, various BMWs, various AMG Benz, MX5, Audi S4/S5, upcoming GR Corolla, Kia Stinger, muscle trucks like the Raptor, hell even a regular cab F150 with anything but the base non turbo V6 is pretty pissed off …it really isn’t all bad. Honestly I’d say for car enthusiasts today is a better spot than 20 years ago was. Beyond that, even EVs and hybrids can be interesting, it’s just the fact the fact that Democrats are trying to force them that is the real problem. Keep an open mind and don’t forget to have fun and stop dooming once in a while.
No, fifteen minutes of charging after 6 hours of driving. And the US has a hell of a lot more coal than oil, and it is cleaner too - why do you hate the US energy industry?
Whats not shocking is the complete lack of facts about EVs. Teslas can charge 200miles in 15min. Unless you are driving 100mph and then plugging into a 240v outlet at home, you are just a liar.
Which is why you use superchargers during road trips, for every day you drive less than 400 miles you charge at home. Now how many days a year do you drive more than 400 miles?
I know that I would do a 2000 mile road trip with a 6 hour drive, lunch + shitting (1 hour total), and another 6 hours of driving before sleeping at my age. Gas or electric makes no difference doing that
Give it a few years. They're trying to offload the remaining models off the lot by creating a sense of false urgency. Then later on, they'll bring them back in electric form, sort of like what GM did to the Hummer.
this is the way. hydrogen internal combustion that can use the same infrastructure as hydrogen electric cars. hydrogen ice setups dont require much change to current ice drivetrains. 5 minute fuel ups either way. Need to be generating hydrogen with nuclear energy and we are good to go.
Its already happening in CA. Toyota and Hyundai have hydrogen electric cars & they both give a $15000 credit towards fuel. I'm on the other coast, and there is 1 hydrogen fueling station in my state. Probably doesnt get much use, I was surprised to see it, but its there.
Edit: took a second, but I got the hydrogen take off joke. like a blimp.
Current hydrogen cars are stupid. Go look up the cost of the fuel source. I'm betting on pure EVs running on batteries today and mr fusions in the far future(half joking).
Problem with gas powered engines: you only get 20-30% useful work out of the potential energy. You have to go to a gas station to get fuel several times a week/month.
Benefit of gas: its available everywhere and can refuel in a few min. Under Trump cost was reasonable and can come back down.
Problem with hydrogen: the cost of hydrogen is $17 a gallon when non-subsidized, complexity of design, requires batteries if powering electric motors, good luck finding a station.
Benefit of hydrogen: potential to fuel up in a few minutes and can get large tanks and range if needed. Has the benefit of electric motors that have full torque at zero rpm.
Problem with BEVs: the current power source is batteries that lack range and add tons of weight. current batteries wear out and suffer from temperature ranges. Finding a level 3 (super charger) can be hard and often times are in sketchy locations. Current EV's only hold about 66kwhs of energy while a gas powered car holds about 500kwhs.
Benefit of BEVs: Insane power when needed. $5-25 a tank to fuel (home vs public) to drive 250+ miles. You can charge at home and never need to visit a public fuel station again unless you are on a road trip.
As someone who has bought two brand new chargers and two brand new challengers in my life. They will 100% lose my money, there are other car companies out there.
Same here. A 73 Charger, an 08 Charger and 2015 Challenger. I loved them.
But I guess fuck Dodge now. Maybe I'll just get a tiny stick shift Toyota 86 - my son has one and it's fun as hell.
Exactly. I’m willing to bet the most popular vehicles they sell, excluding the ram or the chargers and challengers. The Durango is out there, but I don’t see many in my area.
The auto industry as a whole is still reeling from the coof and shortages. Can't get the chips, can't build the cars.
Plus...I think they've sold new cars to everyone that wanted one. The last 10-15 years is was extremely easy to buy a new car, they gave credit to anyone. But now that the recession is starting to really cook, and gas prices, most people aren't thrilled at high car payments anymore - and it's been long enough since cash for clunkers that decent used cars are on the market again.
I think the auto industry as a whole is looking at serious contraction across the board.
My current car is good to go another 10 years. So glad I didn't pull the trigger on a sports car, like I was about to when covid hit.
Why do I have a feeling there was some bribery involved by the government. Of all the major car companies Dodge is the one who pushed the hellcat motors, etc. Bringing back the Muscle cars, now all of a sudden we’re just gonna get rid of them and replace them with Electrics as by in science his climate crisis legislation. Something doesn’t add up.
Just got a Scat Challenger last Monday and already put 1000 miles on it. That 6.4L V8 drinks gas like a raging alcoholic but it sure is fun to drive. Hate to see these cars go but I’ll be hanging on to mine til the bitter end.
Lmao. Enjoy your profit losses.
They'll probably get huge tax credits for doing this. Believe it or not the average MPG of every model a company manufactures is how they're ranked and favored for tax credits. These car companies know what they're doing and they don't want to lose money to go green. They know you and I the taxpayer will make up for those loses not them.
This here. They will be subsidized by the Fed to the point that profit from the consumer will cease to matter.
And that's why a decent truck or SUV is already $50-100K. Thank Obama with his cash for clunkers.
That plus the fact that you are literally purchasing twice as much vehicle - mostly in the cabin or other useless shit
Look at the curb weight of an 89 Dodge Ram 3500. Now look at the curb weight of any modern 3500 series pickup. And towing capacity is pretty much the same
And they are fucking BIG!...new Ford ranger is the size of an old f150..I guess since they gotta reduce weight to get mpg they have to make bigger for collision mitigation?...I don't know but new f150s are as big as Mac trucks
That's part of it, but the bigger part is the size arms race. People don't want to be in the smaller vehicle. That's why SUV's, and pickups keep betting fucking bigger and bigger. Nobody will buy something the size of a Nissan B3000 anymore.
Meanwhile you have loons like me that like the smaller, more gas efficient vehicles and don't want these huge behemoths on the road.
I'd love to have a small, efficient pickup. I need the space to carry shit, not the towing capacity. The only reason no one buys them is because no one sells them.
I do, and I would especially a tiny truck. I daily a Fiesta ST and would buy a 90s Toyota or Nissan truck in a heartbeat. Or Ranger. Or S10.
They get more leeway for mpg requirements if they make the vehicle heavier.
Even Toyota has gone this route. The Tacoma used to be a compact pickup. Now they're essentially a full size truck (with a cramped passenger compartment thanks to 'safety regs).
They need to increase the size of the vehicle footprint to meet emissions standards. The bigger they are the more inefficient they are allowed to be. So small duty trucks are impossible now.
Yet they can't tow shit compared to the 89 Dodge
Truth, see my buried post
Whenever I see a guy in a huge truck (and not actually using it for work) I automatically assume they are trying to compensate because they have a small penis.
So you think about the size of other men's penises a lot....
If you see him stop for gas and he has to climb down his tire to get out, and he’s not driving a monster truck then you’re probably right. Those of us who are 6’5” or so kinda need some room in the truck to fit pede. I don’t step up into my truck, I slide into it sideways. And yes, it’s been used for work. 560000km and counting. I enjoy the fact that I’ve bounced 5 deer off my push grill and I’m still driving just fine. Try that in a fuel efficient shit box that’s basically a glorified office chair and enjoy your Bambi lap dance while I keep driving home and wash the fur off later.
Yeah, but with my small hands it feels massive.
Car manufacturers are shifting towards becoming integrators vs. vertical manufacturers. It's been happening for awhile with car interiors. Cars have ceased to become transportation and instead have become entertainment centers for the same bugmen types that wait for the latest iPhone releases and live inside their Oculus worlds. I look forward to watching them cry out when their car's lead-free solder ECB shit out on them.
This man has baked a few Xbox and PlayStations.
A cracked solder joint or lead-free solder crystalline growth in a car will leave you stranded, in a plane will leave you dead.
I love how they blame the pilots for this one:
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/12/01/2225222/air-asia-pilot-response-leads-to-plane-crashing
My 96 Dodge 3500 Cummins dually is way lighter than the new 3500 Cummins. It's also way smaller and can tow way more.
Source? Friend has a 2021 we both just towed to Bristol he struggled over the mountains with a 5ft shorter trailer. Mine sat on Cruze control the entire trip.
Eh, mine can tow more than my old one. But I also paid 3 times as much after adjusting for inflation
A lot of stupid Republican Congressmen voted for that shit policy as well.
“Republican”
I mean, you're right, but at what point do we just realize that when you can count on one hand the legit members of the RNC, that "Republicans" or RINOs are just actually the party.
Long ago.
Lizard people are sorted to the left and to the right following their hatching. Leftist or Republican, they're still lizard people.
The correct term is "rino".
Gotta love 7 year financing
Try 10 year, pede, with 0% if you have great credit. Artificial stimulus creates inflation that out paces wages. Every time. If the housing market falls much further they will get 40 and 50 year mortgages on deck. Watch.
Have they actually crossed that threshold to ten full years?
I have a hard time imagining anyone dumb enough to do a ten year lease on a car.
Bass Pro Shop has a 10 year finance program for boats.
Financing here starts at 7% with good credit in the present climate. 0% is a thing of the past. And that's for a vehicle you don't even really want since to get the options or model you want (aka whatever the lot doesn't have) there's a 1 to 2 year wait due to "supply chain issues"
Dealerships have embraced Supply Chain issues....they have never seen fatter profits for less car sold in the entirety of car sales. Supply Chain issues will be hear to stay and will be the new normal.
Yep, changed pretty quickly in the last 6 months hasn't it? Wife wants me to get rid of the 22 year old jeep because it's noisy and the ac doesn't work. Not happening. She has her princess car I have my ride. Not paying these prices.
Well it's bad, but it's not THAT bad. I'm in the middle of this process right now, and for a limited production car. An Audi RS3.
I put the deposit down in March, and it's expected to get here in October. And a couple of those months were due to the dealership I ordered from waiting for an "RS slot", because Audi dealerships can only order so many RS cars, based on their sales numbers.
So the car was available to order in May, then I got my slot in July, and the car should show up this fall.
New Yukon is 0% financing.
100k for 10 years that’s horrible. No wonder older cars are reselling better.
the resell price of the vehicle at that time will be significantly less than the price of Battery Replacement (Repair will not be worth it as batteries of that age will just start dying frequently). 10 year old Tesla Model S sell for 8-10K.....battery replacements start at 22K-27K. That doesn't take into consideration other looming electrical issues in the vehicle. EV's are a very bad purchase once they get past the 5-7 year old mark.
Once they hit 70 they’ll be just like China
Nevermind that via over regulation vehicles are so overly complicated that they are no longer cost-effective to repair.
They'll ruin driving too - their goal is the cell phone model, upgrade every couple of years, trash the old one, just keep paying a monthly contract forever. They'll force upgrades by ending support, tie tolls and maintenance to the computer, make it undrivable if you don't pay the contract, mileage limits, etc. Fucking nightmare.
iirc the truck thing in particular was because of a trade war over a tariff on chickens. One of the things that ended up happening as a result was the tariff on foreign trucks was massively increased meaning companies have no reason to try to import trucks to the US for sale because they'll hardly make any money on, which means local manufacturers have no real competition and can charge whatever they want.
Soooo basically a federally owned company at that point. We're going full commie banana.
Or fascism. Quite literally
Yep.
Exactly. Complete Socialism. Tour company will do what the Government commands or your company will cease to exist.
It all started with "too big to fail" under George W. Bush.
Noo it's only Democrats who do bad things! Clinton then obummer
They already are through the UAW Union Money Laundering thing. But this will convert the full industry to PERMENANT WAR COMMUNISM/5-YEAR PLAN MODEL
Precisely. compliance is mandatory.
i'm sure any execs who pointed out this scheme is literally and actually retarded have been purged by now.
You meant subsidized by our tax increases.
I don't feel that the taxes we citizens pay, and the money the Government spends, have much in common anymore. The Government is spending money irregardless of taxes, whereas taxation is a tool to impoverish the citizenry.
The government deficit is a perpetual mortgage on the tax payers of a nation. The gov't increase it's spending because it is betting on two things, an increasing population and inflation. In fact that is the guarantee that ensures gov't can run deficits of 2-5 years their total gdp. Back during the gold standard they assumed the deficit was high at 50% of a year gdp and at 100% it was seem as the nation is about to collapse. No faith whatsoever.
Remember 10% inflation means around .7-1% more in sales taxes, for example something you like costed 2 bucks you may have paid 2,20 at the register now it costs 2,20 and you're paying 2,42 at the register. If the total sales in the u.s. is 1t that 1% is a 10b increase in taxes collected just on sales so instead of collecting 100b out of 1t they'll collect 110b out of 1.1t if spending habits remain unaltered. Inflation isn't a bad thing to gov't or bankers just for the middle class. If you want to see the fed scramble to stop something you need to wait for a deflation, when the dollar starts being valued more they'll literally start printing money non stop until they get a 1-2% inflation going.
The Government is running up inflation to do two things. #1 Is devalues debt. Who is carrying the greatest amount of debt in the world? The US Government. Debt is a paper asset, so when you devalue the USD, you also devalue said debt. Anyone who holds debt benefits from inflation. #2 it blows up tax revenue (as you point out). Because wages cannot keep pace with inflation, the Government gobbles up more of the money in circulation. This is especially hard on property owners. If you own property your taxes increase because the assessed value increases (because the USD has lost value). Retired property owners are hardest hit because their retirement pay (especially SSI) is always woefully behind inflation. Eventually owners won't be able to afford to pay taxes and will either sell or default.
What the [shadow] Government is betting on is making everyone poor and dependent. The State (and its proxies) will own everything. More and more people will own nothing, live in a pod, and eat their alloted portion of bugs.
The government makes a 5 year green plan and orders companies to follow it. The twist here is that it uses profit handouts to private companies instead of directly owning those companies. The Marxist Left's "Capitalism".
they're not even that good cars
but say goodbye to people who travel a lot buying your Dodge chargers. no one's got time to sit at a fucking electrical outlet for 3 hours every 200 miles when ur on a road trip
electric vehicles can never replace gas powered vehicles so long as it takes 300 times longer to charge your electric vehicle than to refill your car at the pump
it's the difference between a 500 mi trip taking an extra 15 minutes total because you had to fill up three times or taking an extra 3 hours total because he had to recharge five times
electric cars are quite literally worse than gas powered cars by every metric in every single category except one: they're greener
electric cars don't go as far perfect. they take longer to recharge. there's a much more significant reduction in fuel economy when running the heat or AC in an electric car versus a gas power. simple things like music air conditioning charging your phone and headlights which are usually handled by the alternator are significant large drain on an electric car because it has no alternator..
there are some there are some more expensive to buy. more difficult to repair and more expensive to fix. there's a huge market for aftermarket parts and do it yourself repairs for regular cars but for an electric car it's much more difficult than costly to replace batteries and other things..
they don't do anything better than a gas-powered car. there's nothing in electric car can do to gas powered car couldn't be made to doo
so they are a worse product that costs more money to deliver worse performance all to solve a single problem that won't even be impacted much regardless
they created a worse product just to solve one problem
electric cars are like the Apple watch: completely useless but a status symbol for wealthy middle class suburban knights who don't really need it other than occasionally driving it to and from the store
edit: and before some Tesla Fanboys try to claim that Tesla has a bunch of features that other cars don't- there's absolutely no feature in a Tesla or any other electric car that couldn't also be ported over to a gas-powered car. none of the features that Tesla has require it to be an electric car..
Dude, the electric cars aren't even greener.
Put this way - it would take 100+ years of driving that new EV before it made up for the material and energy tossed aside in getting rid of my half-ton pickup in exchange for it. As a bonus, my truck isn't powered by materials mined by child or Uighur forced labor.
Exactly. Really the only thing electrics are better at, is that they give the manufacturing edge to China
Don't worry, I'm sure someone with a masters in social justice pottery is working hard on their concept of putting windmills on top of electric vehicles after getting a government grant.
biden: "wait I thought the forced labor WAS the bonus?"
Please back that up with actual math
And your car absolutely has copper wiring
They aren't even greener. The manufacturing of the battery is equivalent almost a decade of gas emissions alone. Once you factor in the strip mines and industrial waste there is no possible argument that they win out.
Of course, the people pushing them already know this and that's why they have already openly stated that it won't matter anyway. They do not intend for the unwashed masses to drive at all.
Cube, bugs, be happy.
Don’t forget about the contaminated water from the lithium process!
Those strip mines are a scar on this planet.
... lithium isnt strip mining, it is brine mining in salt flats
It is brine mining in salt flats, there is no ground water to contaminate
the batteries break, or wear out before you ever get to the point of being more green. Current battery tech doesn't last long enough to pay off.
Based on what math?
Truth is it will never be sustainable when the battery life is what 10-20 yars?
What makes you say that?
if you own a phone for more tahn 2 years you know well that batteries will hold less charge and you have to change batteries sooner or later. Batteries aren't eternal they eventually need replacing.
As do cars. My last cellphone didnt die from battery issues, it died from being an angle grinder leg guard.
Lithium isn't strip mined, it is brine mining of salt flats
I couldn't agree more. I used to work as a mechanic before when I was younger. I was/am certified in electrical systems. An electric car might be fun for some small purposes. like if you don't ever plan on going for a long trip. Just like a grocery getter. I love going to K1 and racing the electric go karts indoors. That's a lot of fun. And another thing, our modern gas vehicles are so damn clean. You can't even commit suicide by running them in the garage anymore. I heard about a guy who tried in a newer Honda civic. "SULEV" rated. I think he was in there for a few hours and all he had was a headache.
Well, it was a Honda.
lol you think electric cars are for travelling. the goal is to keep you autonomous with a vehicle within 50 miles of your home. If you have to travel you'll fly (boost airline stocks), there you'll rent (boost rental company stocks), on and on. Meanwhile they'll let highways deteriorate and save billions in maintenance costs by having less cars travelling. The government make billions on gas taxes but the problem is that money is spent in road maintenance so in a politician hand it's not money easy to steal.
the whole objective of this futuristic future is to make money go around, but instead of you buying things you're always spending to maintain a certain standard. hell i can envision a future where you don't even buy electric cars anymore you buy a subscription to use them and everytime you go to your brands charging lot it'll be full of cars charging so what you do is swap cars instead of waiting it to recharge.
You go to some cities and there are shareable electric mopeds, cars, bikes, electric scooters on and on. It's a fucking mess and all those things edge cars out of the roads and out of parking spaces.
edit: just to add some real life reasons why they want to push this. In Europe there are countries where groceries are more expensive across a border so many europeans will travel to go shopping in a neighboring country specially those who live near borders. Canada does that with the U.S> the U.s. does it with Mexico (medicine) and I am sure people in expensive u.s. states do so as well. This is all an attempt to keep tax cows corralled to their tax designated areas.
The goal is to end road trips.
Between EVs, fuel prices, "mass" transit, light rail, self-driving cars and every other gubmint-subsidized freedom-stealing boondoggle, the goal is to make you as dependent as possible on others (read: the government) for transit.
I like Elon Musk but he buys into this shit too.
You can drive 6 hours straight on a Tesla, charge for 15 minutes, then drive another three hours. You aren't going to do the 16 hour straight trip on red bull, but besides that you are fine
Buying? Dudes spearheading the new world order where a honda civic will be 100k and infinitely back order and u need to jerk off a robot dick if u want to use it for leisure
Yup, they are farmers of government kickbacks now, not an auto manufacture.
It's been like that since the mid seventies.
Chrysler got a bunch of money to develop a BSG, it's the thing that kills your engine when stopped. It's a piece of crap, the only incentive to develop it was to get the free money, can you imagine the motivation to make it actually work?
Don't get enough credits and tax write-offs that if they sell no cars they'll still make a profit for 5 years
Yemen evicted them a few years ago, its 110 now.
they haven't been subverted
the hr departments have
and hr controls who works at the company
take back hr and u take back america
That’s now much everything at Dollar Tree is now
You mean those bonuses on top of tax payer bailouts...
... the same bonuses that should be considered political bribers and payouts.
it's kind of insane that after five generations of updates they finally got a semi-decent car that doesn't break down all the time and they're going to massively overhaul it almost immediately
everybody remember the first generation Chrysler 300? the piece of crap that looked bad and broke down all the time? just wait till you get the first generation electric car. waiting for that 0% reliability Scor
my lovely Dodge Charge is 8 years old, 117K miles, only had to get new tires for it. Oh, and replace a side mirror some drunk ass idiot kicked off. Engine is great. 22 MPG, looks good. I love it!
I own a Tesla and The challenger is just a great car. This is insane. Why would you throw away the brand equity like this??
I used to work on my old Dodge mopar. I get it. Calculating product life cycle into engineering is corrupt. The last generation has suffered through cartelization of our industries. We used to be able to call them out for bad products. Now these industrialists are trying to build services we're embedded in forever while stifling competition.
This needs to change and I hope President Trump understands that.
It's like how Apple tells it's customers what they're going to like. (And they actually do listen). Instead of giving them what they really want. Seriously WTF why would you get rid of the headphone/ audio jack and have to use a custom apple lightning charger that is proprietary.
Because the charger cable will cost at least 50 bucks to replace when your cat chews it the next time!
It's like they come out with a phone with a bigger screen, and they say it's so much better. Then a year latter they come out with a smaller screen, and they say it's so much better. Then a bigger screen again. It's a never ending cycle.
because they buy it for the brand. The funny thing is now days most can't even tell if someone is using an apple phone or one of the dozen chinese knockoffs that are sold at a 10th of the price.
It's not just a brand. It's a cult
Also I have seen the knockoff ones being sold when I was in Asia. They are basically just as good but 1/10th the price.
It’s for a quick bounce and jump ship with the profits. This happened at my company too. Big “green” initiatives got government tax incentives, subsidies, etc and a quick inflow of investor cash by these 15-minutes-of-fame venture capitalists pouring cash in because they believe they’ve found the company who will spearhead innovation. Stock balloons, then the executives head for greener pastures (no pun intended), company drops to the absolute tank when reality catches up.
scam the greenies?
you sonofabitch I'm in
scam society
Yea the Greenies are scamming all of us. Greatest grift of our lifetime. Other than the pandemic
They all get stolen as soon as they come off the line, so they're down bad as it is.
This isn't very political, but axing a line called "Charger" to focus more on electric vehicles may be the dumbest fucking marketing move in history.
Switched the name to "Charged" I know, electric cars are gay but it wouldn't be a bad idea
BzZzZZZZZzzzzZZZ! Sorry Gene, but that answer is incorrect. The correct answer is Charging!
Haha, that's a good one too but being it's a Dodge it'll most likely be "Broken"
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So long as you can still do fishtails into crowds of people Ford should be fine
Well it's lithium-ion, so...
Nah.
Should've just been the Dodge Charge.
24/7
It'll be called Charging.
Cause you'll always be charging the damn thing.
Maybe Ram will be rebranded as a Charger since we’ll be using idling diesel engines to recharge all the EVs stranded in the countryside.
Especially since they're gonna call their new electric car The Guzzler
Ought to appeal to the target market though
The next closest thing is the Weinerschnitzel mobile hotdog truck lmao
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Exactly. Compete with the mustang Mach-E. Chevrolet just made the mid engine corvette, so you know they aren't going to switch just yet.
Why the fuck are they calling a 4 door a mustang?
It’s like a crossover SUV too. They grabbed the Mustang nameplate to get notoriety instead of launching some new car that everyone thinks is gay because it’s an EV. So they siphoned the hype of the Mustang and took the nameplate. They still make actual Mustangs but the “Mach E” is the mini SUV EV.
It looks like a kia minivan
thats an insult to Kia
The Mach-E is an abomination to the Mustang brand. But then again, the Mustang brand has been dogshit since the 80's.
One passed me the other day,..FUCKING UGLY AS SHIIT
I saw the mustang logo and laughed it took me a few seconds I literally thought someone b had glued logo on to their tesla as a joke
Then I got it...oh, why try a new name when u could borrow clout from your "sport" car
Then I said, well why the fuck 4 doors and why such an ugly suv shape? Is it because the appeal of a tesla is the shape?...no that can't be it, must be something to do with the position of the battery
Anyways..yeah they might as well kill of 70 years of mustang history, the commies that work there don't give a fuck, propaganda before integrity just like those commies who work at Disney making sure a new starwars "baby" character is in every new show
I have a 2012 GT500 that I like quite a bit.
japanese and korean cars are the best
Japanese and German cars, you mean.
German cars breakdown frequently after a few years. Audi, BMW, same story.
Ah, bmw. the good ol bayrischer mistwagen.
Because they're dumb? It's basically an Escape/Escort with a Mustang tag. I've always been a Mustang guy, but the new gas Mustang, not a fan. Mach-E - was interested when announced - but after seeing it - fuck right off. Just looks off, not a Mustang. But that's all Fords, really. I hate their body styling, and they're all merging into a vague Escape rounded Euro egg thing shape, even the Explorer looks like an Escape. It's really hard to find cars now that have distinct look and style.
It’s an electric turd. So ugly.
Same reason they call a 4 door sedan a Charger. I owned a '73 and 2006.
Mustang Mach-E is a very good name. Of course "muscle car guys" are not a great target customer. Just make a decent electric car that charges at my home and doesnt cost $80k and I'll consider it, based purely on economics and the convenience of fueling up at home while I sleep.
Base Tesla's cost like 45k and then you have the tax credit which is important to any net taxpayer
45k is still too much, get it down to 30 and ill consider.
Tesla isn't trying to complete with a Honda Civic, it is trying to compete with a mid range Audi or BMW
Exactly they have an online 6 that's supposed to replace the Hemi. I don't think Dodge knows what direction they are going at this point.
But the jeep wrangler dropped the inline 6. Though I hear it may come back. Who knows.
The Jeep inline 6 was a dated 4.0 push rod engine. The new inline 6 makes more power than the Scat Pak and the RTs. Not the Hellcat. Of course who knows what all will happen. I think Dodge likes to tease.
They don't want to remind you of the charging costs and wait times.
Charging is cheap compared to gas. They cost like 5-6 cents a mile.
If you can afford an $80,000 electric vehicle I doubt the trade off between electricity and gas prices are really going to break the bank
neighbor got the mini EV for like 35k, I think, new.
constantly gives updates on his costs, which is annoying, but he can super charge it on the road in like 30 minutes and is paying like 17 dollars in electricity for a week where he drives 9 hours.
Honestly if you drive a lot it can be worth it. One of our vehicles costs $500 a month in gas, also our insurance would be half. So I would save 600 a month if I got a Tesla. That’s a huge chunk to offset the cost of a vehicle who’s payment would be $1000 a month. My current cost is $1500 for payment plus gas.
"A Tesla is cheaper than the very poor decision I made that costs me $1500/mo" isn't really an argument for a Tesla.
Dumbest comment I’ve ever seen.
#1 we need a vehicle for 3 kids with car seats and also room for luggage. Very few options.
#2 the wife’s job requires a lot of driving.
#3 we have solar so charging would basically be free.
#4 nice cars are an unsaid requirement for our jobs.
What kind of retarded asshat would make the comment you did. Let me let you in on a secret, $1500 isn’t even shit to me. I am just cutting down on costs so I can have even more fun on my trips.
Honestly I think a comment like yours means you’re a psychopath. What an idiot. You didn’t even understand the basic concept of what I said. There are probably millions of people in my exact situation and you are sitting there talking shit instead of understanding what is happening in the real world. Moron to the Nth degree.
Triggered much over someone pointing out you make poor decisions
The average cost for a vehicle is roughly 1100 a month
If you're in that deep on a car you're retarded with money, "average" or not. Just because tons of people need bling bling shit to keep up with the neighbors, and take stupid deals to do it, doesn't make it not stupid.
This factoid also doesn't appear to be true, $700 is the number I'm seeing for average new car payment. Median payment would also probably be more accurate to what typical people are actually paying, but I'm not seeing anyone publishing it.
Base price is 45k for a Tesla and that is expensive compared to a Nissan leaf. That is before we talk about the tax credit.
And I drive a 110k truck, 5 dollar a gallon diesel does make enough of a difference for me to notice
Nope. I just like electric motors more than internal combustion engines
Here are a couple of important articles about that - https://www.21oak.com/inspiration/ev-car-charging-costs/
and Replacement batteries can be as high as $20,000
https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/costs-ev-battery-replacement
And maintenance issues, including this horrifying reality:
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/top-5-electric-car-maintenance-issues-and-their-costs/
It lists record high energy prices in the US - 27 cents per kWh in California - but not record high gas prices - 8 a gallon in California
Replacement batteries are about as common as replacement engines in cars, and a replacement engine in my truck would be more than 20k
And engines have coolant too...
Not fairly short order, 400k miles.
After 400k miles, my plan for any sedan is high explosives, not trade in. Though I don't really sell cars, except handing off vehicles to my kids
It's really more about battery cycles and time than miles. 7-10 years seems to be about the expected lifetime in the real world. This is also about what I get out of good quality 18650s I run in my flashlights that I take decent care to not over/underdischarge and are never put under extreme loads.
Batteries just have a fairly fixed usable lifetime and there's not much anyone has done about it except for really exotic types designed to be long term storable. There's a lot of materials in em that will tend to degrade over time just left on the shelf.
That is reality. At least of more modern cars - past generations had a lifespan of 150-200k miles, but we are seeing much better batteries now than we saw a decade ago
Fuck, someone beat me to it. I thought that one was all mine!
Chrysler is finally admitting they can't build a transmission that won't blow up.
I'll bet the fire departments will be working overtime when they start making batteries!
Teslas are already on the road
It takes something like 8 tanker trucks of water to put out one burning Tesla, and even once extinguished they'll spontaneously re-ignite later.
Uh, yeah. You can’t use water for an electric car fire. The batteries are made of lithium which reacts violently with water. Most firefighting foams, which are expensive and not figured into infrastructure are usually toxic as fuck to the environment, especially seeping into ground water.
I played a lot with Li-Po batteries flying electric planes. I charged them in a 20mm ammo box with a bag of sand nearby. These batteries are nasty.
Tesla crashes require HAZMAT, because of the batteries. If a Tesla or any EV is on fire next to you - your car is going up, too. They burn HOT.
ooooh now that's good information. Thanks
And a Hazmat crew to clean it up afterwards. Not to mention all the toxic fumes going into the air.
Just throw them in a dumpster full of water for a couple days
Easy for you to say, nobody Anne Heche'd your house yet
Kek
And then into a vat of rice for a couple of days to dry out.
You just let them burn, use water on any shrubbery or the asphalt.
Teslas have a battery blowout valve now. Teslas battery packs are assembled from thousands of individual small cells each of which has a built in "pressure relief" feature which basicly ruptures the cell canister in a controlled manner and location. It is not a resetable feature, its a safety relief to prevent a explosive failure, and it renders the cell effectivly permanently defective. Think of it as like the "ring pull" on a soft drink or beer can,...but on a much smaller scale.
I don't know if a single Charger lived long enough without being crashed into a tree by the shitty Charger drivers for the transmission to fail.
what you talkin' about willis! I've had my Charger for 8 years. Love it. Get good mileage. Smooth driving, no issues. Transmission works great! It's a comfortable ride.
Man, the Willys is definitely the best car Chrysler has ever built
its the vehicle of choice for joggers to burn 11s where people are sleeping, when they aren't shooting.
Transmissions are made in Kokomo, IN. It’s jogger central here.
I thought they used the ZF -8 in the chargers
They do. 8HP75 in the Scat, 8HP90/95 in the HC. They're very good.
Sit down. They already make huge batteries for their plug in hybrid line. My buddy has one and just joined a class action suit because he can’t charge it anymore because Chrysler sent out a notice saying they keep catching on fire and they don’t know how to fix the problem. He’s pissed.
The A 833 was pretty good.
Well that's gay
I never was a dodge fan though
Lol, you don't like cars that break down after 20,000 miles?
My '89 Ram lasted ~760k miles. And it died from being t-boned by a drunk driver not from any mechanical issues
Dodge made some good stuff in the past but stuff like the Durango and all it's problems, as well as a few other models, didn't do their rep too well.
trucks are better built
The Cummins 12 valve was a good idea
That's Ford.
“ThAtS FoRd”
FERD
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u1C0r2EHQfY
Found On Road Dead
Fix Or Repair Daily
First on race day
Fix it again, Tony.
"You're thinking of a Fiat, Dale"
Fucker Only Runs Downhill
Fix Or Repair Daily
Fix or repair daily
I've driven two Fords past 100k with no repairs. I have tons of friends and relatives who have driven Explorers for even more. Those were older Fords. Fords were damned good in the 90's and 00's.
I was a hardcore Ford man for ages. Then my 2004 F-150 Lariat needed new plugs. And I found out about the plug fusing issue that Ford notoriously ignored and issued no recalls on. A routine plug replacement turned into $2k job. I called Ford and was told rather bluntly that is not covered, there's no service bulletin and no recall and as such the repair was on me. Switched to Dodge and my 2014 Ram has 167,000 miles on it with no issues. But I may just start buying old used trucks now.
My Hondas consistently hit 300k. Around 250k you have to decide if that expensive repair is worth it.
90's-early 2000s Ford and GMs are indestructible compared to today's shit boxes.
My next car is going to be a GMT-400 or GMT-800 platform vehicle.
I had a fleet of dodge trucks, 100k miles meant 15 months and an oil change or 2
I can verify that after having bought a dodge intrepid. A true fire hazard
Like I said, my Charger is at 117,000 miles. No problems yet.
Classic MOPAR had some pretty great models though. Pink Panther Cuda one of the most awesome and crazy choices from the era. There was a lot of personality in cars back then!
Fix Or Repair Daily
Cracked Heads, Every Valve Rattles, Oil Leaks Every Time
Goodbye Dodge.
Someone needs to start a company and get all the old timers we still have from the muscle era to guide the company and the younger guys (toxic males) into recreating what they are taking away.
Full size pickups have replaced muscle cars.
Even in pop culture. Country has trucks, rap has aspirational brands and supercars. No bitchin' Camaros, no true death four hundred horsepower, no Cadillacs as big as a whale.
Can't wait for the first gangsta rap video with a Nissan Leaf.
That's not a good thing
I meant culturally.
When I was younger guys modded their new muscle cars and restored old muscle cars. Guys still do that these days, but they're doing it with trucks.
Wouldn't really say it's a bad thing either, it's more just what's in and out of fashion.
When musclecars were in their golden age there were no forced induction I4 engines that could put out 350 horsies, it was a 350ci V8 that was pushing maybe 200 on a really good day.
Now when you build a factory musclecar it's MUSCLE to the point of not something I'd want to drive daily. Base V8 charger has 380HP, next step up has 485, and after that it's 700+. When I was growing up 400+ was a "wow" number in the Mustang zines after people built and tuned their shit, not off the shelf.
Around 300 has felt like the sweet spot to me, you have plenty of power, can do all the retard parking lot donut shit, but it's not unmanageable even without a computer deciding when and where to put it down.
Emissions regulations would make it impossible.
Lol Dodge has been cucked since they supported Bidens campaign by providing jeeps for his "rallys"
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2020-11/8/3/asset/5c1ed7daf952/sub-buzz-9545-1604806754-13.jpg
So glad I bought my car before all this EV idiocy.
I live in a state where it can be -10* for a week EV wouldn’t even get me to the next town over before needing a full charge, turning my 3 hour road trip into a 6 hour road trip.
I live in one of the most desolate parts of America. Driving around the state in an EV would probably literally kill you. Imagine being on US-50 and suddenly it says "You have 25 miles of charge left... searching for charging points... none found."
Middle of Nevada?
Dude lmao, I own a Tesla and you can easily (max creature comforts) travel over 150 miles in the deadest of winter on one charge. Quit exaggerating.
150 miles gets me not even half as far as my gas guzzling truck in any conditions. I’m not exaggerating at all.
The nearest large town to me is 120 miles away. 150 miles isn’t going to cut it.
150 miles is nothing when your state is 700 miles wide.
They want you to live inside a leftist mega city. That's the goal.
fucking city folk
You got it wrong, that tesla has 150 miles range while your gasoline car has an infinite range. Just take 3 minutes to gas up and you're on the road again.
Many times I went to florida, which is like 1700 miles from where I live in canada in one go, sometimes using two drivers.
Tesla's have about 300 miles of range in normal conditions, 150 before a charge in worst conditions possible. 15 minutes to do a recharge and you are back on the road with a Tesla
Good for your truck? I don't have a problem with gas trucks. I don't see why people have problems with electric cars. People aren't nearly this emotionally invested as gas vs electric heating, stove tops, etc. They each have their pros and cons.
I am far more emotionally invested in gas vs electric stoves. Glass top electric stoves are absolute shit, borderline unusable pieces of garbage. Plain coil or gas only, with induction being ok but it doesn't work on copper pans
I have no problem with EV’s other than the connected control through licensing agreements it gives “muh private companies”
But for a huge part of this country they are inefficient and inferior to the alternative.
Fair enough.
By what metrics are they in efficient?
When it’s 370 miles from A to B it takes 5 hours in a gas car. depending on the conditions It could take anywhere from 6 to 10 hours in an EV. My time is a commodity and it also needs to be used efficiently.
Or - I’m way in the backwoods of bum fuck, good thing I have 4 jerry cans to extend my range to make it out.
In the same vein - sorry bro can tow you out of here it will reduce my range too much.
IC powered vehicles give you more freedom, independence, and allow you to be more self reliant as well as make better use of your time.
...no, it takes anywhere from 5 hours to 6 hours in an electric car. It takes like 15 minutes to charge up to 50% in a Tesla.
I remember back the ‘00s watching a show about lithium battrees. They said they ran best in the ballpark of 170° so they insulated them so they would hit proper temps. Do you know anything about that or if Tesla has heat stuff similar to a diesel truck with glow plugs.
The car will maintain the batteries at whatever temp they need to be yeah. This can amount to extra battery drain in the winter, which is why the range is lessened.
hows your case of monkeypox going?
Bro I'm keeping the coal industry alive ✌️
I mean, I would have more issues with driving a sedan on Wyoming roads during the winter than any Tesla issues particularly. Real SUVs or trucks only
They both are shit cars. They are stopping building them because people aren’t buying them.
I see tons of blacks driving them around the city I work in
Funny, I see them in the back seat
Kek
Lol they don't arrest them anymore in the liberal shit hole city I work in
blacks always drive form the back seat
lmao
I raughed
Lol this is my town in Illinois 100%. Honestly though some are absolutely disgusting. 700+ horses that scream like an effing banshee.
This (and Mexicans) is what I associate Dodge musclecars with and I don't even live in an area with many of them. Under-50 white guys around here are either truck guys or euro/ricer "tuner" types, and the older car guy set is Vettes and classics.
Wonder what the repo rate is, and also what it was like 6 months after the coof stimmy checks dropped.
You must live in Atlanta?
Dude, women love these cars (for themselves). They can finally act like the cools chicks, whatever that is.
Quote from the article:
“We are celebrating the end of an era — and the start of a bright new electrified future — by staying true to our brand,” Tim Kuniskis, Dodge brand chief executive officer said.
Gotta read between the lines here...
If they're "staying true to their brand", that means they intend to continue building crap that blows up.
If their batteries blow up as often as their transmissions do, I'm sure it'll be a "bright" electrified future indeed!
"We're calling this one the 'Note 7'"
Quite a few people drive them. It's Camaro that has all but entirely disappeared from the roads.
The mustang has lead annual sales for quite some time with challenges being only a bit behind. Camaro has had abysmal sales numbers.
I don't know where you are, but they are EVERYWHERE. Granted, half are probably stolen.
If you live near a military base you’ll also see them, driving around brand new on 28% APR and all the sudden one day the car is gone…these dealerships live for the macho military dude who has no financial knowledge and exploit the hell out of them
Very popular car among a certain demographic.
18 year old GI's?
Is this why I keep having people ask me if I'm in the military? Is it now stolen valor to drive a Challenger?
🤔
They’re stopping building them because of bullshit greenhouse gas climate change requirements.
They’re not stopping the money printer of a 15 year old platform because they WANT to go green.
Refuse to buy electric vehicles and they will get the message. The manufacturers have gotten us to drive trucks and SUVs in place of cars, so they can make more money. EVs cost more than an ICE truck or SUV. Vehicle payments are now as much as some mortgages. Why be a slave to what they want. EVs do not help the environment as much as they told us. The waste from spent batteries plus the way lithium is mined prove that. Research your next vehicle carefully.
Yea blame the cake!!!!
Unfortunately you’ll have to rely on Californians not to buy electric. The biggest auto market in the country is in that state and Car manufacturers set their trends to the California market.
The waste isn't an issue and the mines are salt flats - dead environments
That might be somewhat true for lithium but nickel and cobalt mining have had devastating effects due to the fact that is mostly mined in unregulated countries not to mention slave labor is used in african based cobalt mining operations.
Nickel is Russia, mostly one town in Siberia. No environment there either.
Cobalt is actually done by proper mining companies in the Congo, those human rights issues you see are actually theives - government involvement would mean having those theives shot.
Your literally cherrry picking information. The nickel mine in russia is just one of many operations. Look up what other nickel mines have done in other under developed countries. They employee strip mining and the waste from chemical refining is just dumped into the nearest river. The environmental impacts these have is pretty well documented now. Large regions spanning several hundred square miles of river and coastline have been rendered toxic and unlivable because of it. There is a lot of cover up going on around the african mining operations to make them look good.
Conservative or liberal, I learnt long ago that you can't argue with "electric car people". It's like a cult.
True. I have a coworker who will make every excuse in the world for electric cars even though he drives around in a shitty beater.
Anti-mining environmentalists are the cultists, you want us stuck in the stone age not able to use any minerals God gifted us with.
One of many operations, but the one produces 14% of world supplies. It is mostly a byproduct in the rest of the world rather than a primary target
And no, there isn't coverup in Africa, there is open slander
This has to be possibly the dumbest woke move in the history of corporations. Has Chrysler done any kind of research on their customer base? I don't think the particular demographic that purchases Dodge Chargers/Hellcats will be excited for electric cars. You just don't look/feel very cool blocking an intersection at night and doing donuts while shooting your gat in the air in a fucking Prius.
they already killed the HEMI and are switching to some turbo eco-boot i-6
I have to admit that the twin turbo i-6 is probably going to be pretty bad ass. I own another vehicle with the i-4 version of that engine and it performs surprising well. I love my V-8's though so I'm sad to see the hemi go.
Yup, at this point not much will be lost.
CHP uses the Charger for their fleet. Wonder if they'll go back to Mustangs, or Camaro again?
Probably go back to Explorers or Tahoes.
Lol. The same demographic drives chargers around here too.
so much for brotherhood of muscle
Brotherhood of labia
I'm already developing a prototype truck vulva to replace the usual truck nuts one would expect.
This is dumb and will fail, but people that drive Chargers and Challengers are about the most dangerous assholes on the road. So, silver lining.
The paper plated nissan altima is by far the most dangerous vehicle on any roadway.
they dindu nothin
Pitbulls of cars. When I worked for the federal government every jogger in the building had one. We had an entire parking lot full of them.
Complete with 24" rims, 12" subs, and limo tint?
no we aren't!
I bet you’re a real fun guy to hang out with.
I only own one for the cargo space. but I'll switch at the first chance
I see about 5x more Chargers and Challengers where I live than all electric cars combined. If you have stock sell it now before they tank to sell a "reCharger".
Nobody wants a $60k golf cart. Pull the head out of the ass and get those V8s and V6s back on the assembly line.
Too bad those "golf carts" outperform them in the only thing muscle cars are good at, the straight line.
That's pretty much only what your battery car is better at, compared to a regular car.
Good luck with your depleted 20 years old battery while I'll still go around 15 years without a payment and still have my virtually infinite range.
Um you don't do oil changes? Your tranny lasts 300k miles? lol don't kid yourself that you have no costs. You will spend 20k in gas by the time i have to replace the 20k battery.
Cost is not the only factor, even though I'll roll a 2011 corolla if I want to save for real.
Why the complete fuck your cult can't accept that I'll use a gasoline car even though it may cost more?
Again, no point arguing with EV cultists, seems like you have no real world experience on how to maintain that old 5000$ car or truck and make it to last you as long as parts are available, and actually having infinite range. You'll always use your made-up "best in case scenario" pre-made calculations on how it costs less and everything about it is far superior.
Hey faggot where did I ever say I had a problem with gas powered cars? You are in the cult because you are locked into gas only mentality. I could care less what you drive and i hope gas comes back down to $2gal.
Here is a better cost breakdown for you at the current $5 per gallon rates. Per 100,000 miles for both EVs and ICE and with 100k and 250k total. This is the cost of fuel, then the cost of the fuel plus car. Yes a Toyota Camry will cost you 15k per 100k miles in gas.
-Model----------|-$US/100k-|[email protected]|[email protected]|
Tesla Model 3 Standard. | $2,830 | $51,230 | $55,475 |
Tesla Model 3 Long Range | $3,409 | $60,809 | $65,923 |
Chevy Bolt | $3,846 | $36,346 | $42,115 |
Toyota Camry | $15,625 | $42,425 | $65,862 |
Ford F-150 XL 2dr | $23,810 | $54,310 | $90,025 |
in 20 years the battery replacement will be cheaper than an engine replacement
hahahaha, you think you'll still own property in 20 years!
THAT'S ADORABLE!
Gas powered cars are easier to control than electric vehicles. Fuel rationing plus dipping tanks
Electric vehicles have a remote kill switch.
As for gas powered vehicles
Writing was on the wall when they stopped producing the Viper and dropped the roadmap for the Charger/Challenger after their mid 2010s refreshes.
Chevy's planning on doing the same to the Camaro after 2023 and Ford's already well underway converting the Mustang to a ev crossover monstrosity.
Yet another icon of Americana is dead.
The Camaro is a typical GM bad decision story. The 6th Gen Camaro is ugly as sin and generic to most people, isn’t a very nice daily driver, and is harsh with poor visibility. The 5th Gen was a real success, what were they thinking? Meanwhile the Challenger and Mustang S550 are good looking, comfortable cars that you can live with every day and still have a great time driving. The Camaro already died once too. GM has the Corvette that is their real sports car focus, and I doubt it’s going anywhere any time soon. Also, the Mustang S650 is coming soon, with a proper V8. The Mach E is just piggybacking off of the success of real Mustangs, it’s just a badge after all. Stellantis killing the Challenger/Charger at this point is just retarded though. It sells well and is a unique, fun car no matter what the haters say. All that said, even if all the muscle car nameplates disappeared tomorrow, there’s still lots of fun to be had. There’s the Supra, GR86, 400Z, WRX, various BMWs, various AMG Benz, MX5, Audi S4/S5, upcoming GR Corolla, Kia Stinger, muscle trucks like the Raptor, hell even a regular cab F150 with anything but the base non turbo V6 is pretty pissed off …it really isn’t all bad. Honestly I’d say for car enthusiasts today is a better spot than 20 years ago was. Beyond that, even EVs and hybrids can be interesting, it’s just the fact the fact that Democrats are trying to force them that is the real problem. Keep an open mind and don’t forget to have fun and stop dooming once in a while.
If you don't get that they hate us, here's one more piece of proof
yep another attack on "toxic Masculinity"
Screw'em. How about TOXIC FEMINAZIS
Al Bundy and his mighty Dodge are disgusted by this announcement.
For Hondo!
No, fifteen minutes of charging after 6 hours of driving. And the US has a hell of a lot more coal than oil, and it is cleaner too - why do you hate the US energy industry?
Whats not shocking is the complete lack of facts about EVs. Teslas can charge 200miles in 15min. Unless you are driving 100mph and then plugging into a 240v outlet at home, you are just a liar.
Yeah, and omit that using superchargers like that hasten your already decaying battery capacity.
Let's do a 2000 miles road trip and see who gets there first. I'll take my slow as a dog 1998 4runner with 350k miles on it.
Which is why you use superchargers during road trips, for every day you drive less than 400 miles you charge at home. Now how many days a year do you drive more than 400 miles?
I know that I would do a 2000 mile road trip with a 6 hour drive, lunch + shitting (1 hour total), and another 6 hours of driving before sleeping at my age. Gas or electric makes no difference doing that
Lets see how much it costs too. Unless you guys no longer want to complain about the cost of EVs.
Give it a few years. They're trying to offload the remaining models off the lot by creating a sense of false urgency. Then later on, they'll bring them back in electric form, sort of like what GM did to the Hummer.
anyone wanna pay double for mine?
The used car market is going to go nuts
I’m already seeing used car lots full of cars when they were empty last year. Unsure if repos or if they were sold by owner.
Meanwhile Toyota and Yamaha have a new Hydrogen V8 getting polished up
this is the way. hydrogen internal combustion that can use the same infrastructure as hydrogen electric cars. hydrogen ice setups dont require much change to current ice drivetrains. 5 minute fuel ups either way. Need to be generating hydrogen with nuclear energy and we are good to go.
As someone who has had to weld lines tight enough to hold hydrogen, hydrogen will never take off
Its already happening in CA. Toyota and Hyundai have hydrogen electric cars & they both give a $15000 credit towards fuel. I'm on the other coast, and there is 1 hydrogen fueling station in my state. Probably doesnt get much use, I was surprised to see it, but its there.
Edit: took a second, but I got the hydrogen take off joke. like a blimp.
They get 8 miles a kilogram and fuel is 17 dollars a kilogram
It isn't a joke, Hydrogen is absurdly bad technology because it is unfriendly to work with
Current hydrogen cars are stupid. Go look up the cost of the fuel source. I'm betting on pure EVs running on batteries today and mr fusions in the far future(half joking).
Problem with gas powered engines: you only get 20-30% useful work out of the potential energy. You have to go to a gas station to get fuel several times a week/month.
Benefit of gas: its available everywhere and can refuel in a few min. Under Trump cost was reasonable and can come back down.
Problem with hydrogen: the cost of hydrogen is $17 a gallon when non-subsidized, complexity of design, requires batteries if powering electric motors, good luck finding a station.
Benefit of hydrogen: potential to fuel up in a few minutes and can get large tanks and range if needed. Has the benefit of electric motors that have full torque at zero rpm.
Problem with BEVs: the current power source is batteries that lack range and add tons of weight. current batteries wear out and suffer from temperature ranges. Finding a level 3 (super charger) can be hard and often times are in sketchy locations. Current EV's only hold about 66kwhs of energy while a gas powered car holds about 500kwhs.
Benefit of BEVs: Insane power when needed. $5-25 a tank to fuel (home vs public) to drive 250+ miles. You can charge at home and never need to visit a public fuel station again unless you are on a road trip.
but hydrogen literally floats
of course it will take off!
lmao
We need the nukes back.
Hydrogen is absurd and will never be viable
"something won't happen because it isn't happening right now"
Have you ever had to weld lines to ensure they don't leak hydrogen?
check out the toyota -
https://www.toyota.com/mirai/
$2.50 a mile in fuel. My Ram 3500 only costs 30 cents a mile in diesel
it's better than electric
and it's a net zero emissions
Explain how exactly it is better. Electric costs $.05 per mile in fuel, hydrogen costs $2.50 per mile
And it isn't net zero, they get the hydrogen from our oil fields - it is a natural gas byproduct
Maybe joggers will stop doing donuts in intersections now.
IDK about other cities but in mine these are #thuglyfe cars 9 out of 10 times.
This thread completely confirms my personal observations that these cars are nogmobiles.
This one, total jogger car
Well, then.
Fuck Dodge.
That is all.
As someone who has bought two brand new chargers and two brand new challengers in my life. They will 100% lose my money, there are other car companies out there.
How many transmissions?
The Challenger now has an 8 speed German tranny. Works well enough
Zero luckily. Two of them broke for other reasons... My fault both time.
Same here. A 73 Charger, an 08 Charger and 2015 Challenger. I loved them. But I guess fuck Dodge now. Maybe I'll just get a tiny stick shift Toyota 86 - my son has one and it's fun as hell.
Which would you suggest for someone looking to get one while I still can?
I've got a '21 Challenger, and I fucking love it.
that breakdown less
Canceling the only vehicles keeping them alive. To hold some awful dodge neon type thing that is battery powered.
Exactly. I’m willing to bet the most popular vehicles they sell, excluding the ram or the chargers and challengers. The Durango is out there, but I don’t see many in my area.
New electric model will be called the General Fee Fee and come only in pink and pastel green with four pride flags arranged on the roof
How will we charge electric cars without chargers??
There goes their insanley profitable cop car market with the Charger
They can stick their fucking fire coffins right up their fucking dipwad SJW virtue signaling asses.
RIP
Ford is doing the same thing at the same time as they are laying off employees.
https://news.yahoo.com/ford-plans-lay-off-8-230054227.html
The auto industry as a whole is still reeling from the coof and shortages. Can't get the chips, can't build the cars. Plus...I think they've sold new cars to everyone that wanted one. The last 10-15 years is was extremely easy to buy a new car, they gave credit to anyone. But now that the recession is starting to really cook, and gas prices, most people aren't thrilled at high car payments anymore - and it's been long enough since cash for clunkers that decent used cars are on the market again. I think the auto industry as a whole is looking at serious contraction across the board. My current car is good to go another 10 years. So glad I didn't pull the trigger on a sports car, like I was about to when covid hit.
dang if only they built cars that's weren't chock full of Internet of Things bullshit
put a red stripe on it
boom. sports car
They aren't ending any of their mustang models.
So NOT the same thing.
The I want a fast car market isn't buying some electric POS.
Cool cool, thanks for telling me not to buy your shit again.
Bye bye dodge.
Just what we need, pos cars that crap out before their batteries do.
laughs in Hemi
If you live in the desert where sun gets hot and dry, I don't see why we aren't doing this. If you live anywhere else, no reason to buy an EV
Batteries and solar panels do not like hot and dry.
If they want to go out of business, more power to them.
Will the “FJB Edition” metal decal be factory installed, or a dealer add-on?
Thats gay.
This was the idea of the European conglomerate that bought Chrysler
fuck the EPA. I will clling to my V8s
Aaaaand my car just went up in value
As if Dodge cars weren't shitty enough already, now they'll be battery-powered cars.
Yeah, of course they are. The government is paying them to make cars no one wants. It's pure business.
stupid sonsabitches
Why do I have a feeling there was some bribery involved by the government. Of all the major car companies Dodge is the one who pushed the hellcat motors, etc. Bringing back the Muscle cars, now all of a sudden we’re just gonna get rid of them and replace them with Electrics as by in science his climate crisis legislation. Something doesn’t add up.
ZL1 Camaros are why the hellcats even existed, and iirc mustang came back in 05? 06? Dodge was late to the game
Damned shame. But I guess they hate money. But Dodge has been their own worse enemy for a long time now.
Just got a Scat Challenger last Monday and already put 1000 miles on it. That 6.4L V8 drinks gas like a raging alcoholic but it sure is fun to drive. Hate to see these cars go but I’ll be hanging on to mine til the bitter end.
I’ll take a ‘68 charger
Is this like when Gander Mountain decided to stop selling guns?
How'd that work out for them?