Elon is intentionally burning the company down so he can rebuild it. His goal is to purge all the people who would become fifth columnists and subversionists within his company, while getting around the fact that California law bars him from directly firing people for their political views. So he's pressure cooking them out instead.
I think he's planning to move the company to Texas or somewhere else and he doesn't want to pay to relocate a bunch of fags so he's driving out as much deadweight as possible before moving the company and he can rebuild with engineers in Texas.
Yeah, liberals trolling for schlock in a city park during a Midwest April blizzard likely won’t have the same appeal to them that San Fran does. And just imagine the distances they will have to drive for Grindr hookups! Will the electric car even make it that far in the snow?
I've driven nearly the entire country and South Dakota is one of my favorite parts. I love "The Hills". It Also has one of the lowest unemployment rates and reasonable cost of living.
It gets pretty cold there in the winter but honestly you aren't doing shit outdoors in like 85% of the landmass of the USA during the winter anyway.
Too hot. Location close to european ocean cables is a plus. No place to put it though. Send them to the coldest bumfuck nowherest place you can find and test their mettle.
Actually I looked it up and they Do have a datacenter. From December 2020: "A favorite outlet of the current US President, Twitter has more than 330 million monthly active users and is the 46th most visited website in the world." KEK
But they use Amazon Web Services. Not surprised. The only big one not on AWS are google and microsoft who have their own cloud service and I think facebook has it's own infrastructure. That makes twitters staffing more ridiculous.
I’m still real iffy about Elon, but this is exactly what he’s doing. It’s called “trimming the fat” in my industry. And Twitter is full of fat (both figuratively and literally, I’m sure)
I agree. I like Elon but would never work for him. He is brilliant but is also a narcissist and that is a terrible combination. The only way he is going to retain top talent is to give ownership options because people who are working for a salary are not going to put up with his antics. He seems to be operating on the Amazon model where people are paid well, and then worked to death until they realize there is more to life than money and quit.
Elon's companies are mainly composed of young engineers looking to get it on their resume. They stay 2-4 years and then leave for a less demanding job. As long as he can keep a small cadre of senior managers who have the institutional knowledge, this strategy can work.
I suspect there are a few core teams that actually make shit work day-to-day (probably only a few hundred people). Jack, no doubt, knows exactly who they are. These people are probably tired of dealing with the dozens of other teams, each working on their own managers' fiefdoms and pet projects that never go anywhere. They may welcome management with a cohesive vision and clear mission (assuming Musk has either for Twitter). The fact that Twitter is still running hints that tons of the headcount was just spinning wheels.
And the fact is his new feature just got delayed again because he has the numbers to maintain but not change. He fucked up. 50% as an opener and keeping it going? This is a mistake unless he wants to run it to the ground.
It can be done but there has to be accountability. Some of us loners get distracted by all the people and work better in isolation. Computer programming isn't exactly a social activity lol
Same -- my productive drops the moment I enter an office or begin s commute ... I've committed to always working from home and will force someone to fire me before I'll drive in everyday or undergo a medical procedure (clot shot)
There's accountability. If I miss a zoom meeting or don't participate on slack, it is noticed.
It actually is a very social activity. Most code changes should be small-ish and have two reviews. And you have to respond to QA. Yeah, not social as in constant interaction, but you can't go unnoticed for long without blocking someone else's job.
The biggest time waster for me working from home is my wife assuming I'm not doing anything important and that she can interrupt me for any reason, especially when I'm staring off into space working out a problem in my head.
Yeah, Elon wants to be able to pop in, walk around, check in on random departments and if 4 leads are working from home and he cant get in touch with all at the same time, it can turn into a shitshow
Twitter has remote work. I still see their job offers. If you work in the cloud the only requirement is electricity and an internet connection. Enough solar and a starlink earth station you can work most anywhere.
That's his "test".
The hardcore employees who do the real work will show up and not whine about it.
The bitch-made folks who do nothing but "virtual meetings" where nothing is ever decided or actually done will revolt and be promptly fired.
As soon as he's purged the commies from Twitter, they'll know who they can trust and can go back to fucking-work-from-anywhere-as-long-as-you're-meeting-milestones style of work.
For months back in 2021 my entire network engineer team was "working from home" and holy shit did we still get a lot done. And since we were pretty much scattered all over the metro, we were able to respond to on-site calls a lot faster.
The boss loved it so much he fucking downsized the office space he was renting as soon as the lease was up and saved a shitload of money.
But at first he was completely terrified with it until he saw the number of tickets being worked and closed to the clients' satisfaction running at a faster rate than before. The clients themselves saw absolutely zero change. Same phone number and email, same less-than-5-minutes response time, but faster on-site arrival than before.
So I quit and toured Pandemic Land for a year. Yup, the entire lower-48.
People out there are insane.
The exception is people doing exceptional work who are vouched for or where it's required by circumstance. He's said this. In the meantime he has told the rank and file to show up and they'll work from there.
I assume. .... Twitter banned me today for calling for someone pushing for war that would kill my kids a warmonger. Apparently he was a MOT so I'm convicted of raysysm without appeal.
Ask who you're not allowed to criticize ? but who cares. Could be a dead ender that was missed in the first culling at twathHQ
I have remote work and it is the ONLY reason I stay with my current employer. I'm looking for other jobs, but currently I haven't found one with at least 4 days per week at home like I currently have.
I get 10 times as much work done as some of my coworkers.
edit: Genuinely surprised by the downvotes. It's like some people like being cucked by their employers or something.
Yeah, I don't like employers who are against remote work. In fact, I fucking hate them. This is modern times. Most people don't need to commute through overcrowded freeways and waste hours out of their day to go sit in some office, just because it makes their boss feel good. It's time we rethink the way we work. And all these employers wonder why everyone is quitting. It's because they woke up.
With gas prices the way they are, and companies downsizing, I see no problem with people working from home that are able to, keeps the roads less backed up for people like me that have to commute. Different jobs have different requirements.
Don't assume he doesn't know remote work is good for tech companies. He does but he also needs to downsize. This is just like eliminating free food. He is trying to get people to leave to cut costs because we are in a recession. All the tech companies are laying off employees and downsizing.
Sometimes, remote work is a curse because I literally am on my computer 24 hours a day.
But, it's not for everybody. I'm a Gen-Xer who grew up glued to a PC as a total nerd/geek back in the early 1980s.
I'm not sure if today's coders can handle the same without smoking weed, or taking an afternoon nap, or wasting time on social media on one screen while they "do their work" on another screen.
In my current position, it actually went the opposite direction. My boss was so fed up having to spend days outlining jobs in detail, and still having them not come back correct, that he’s paying me as much as the team of Indians that used to do my job, because he knows he can just hand it off to me and it'll come back exactly how he wants it. In less time too.
I also WFH four days a week and am in the office the fifth day. My productivity sucks on that day too. I’m way more productive at home.
Honestly he doesn't need that many engineers compared to something like spacex. Its a fucking communication platform with server farms.... It's not rocket science
It's also great psychologically - nobody made them stay, nobody made them click the link, they turned down money to leave. So, get to work: it's the path you chose.
Only if enough people choose it. He just had to delay the new blue check system again, and he’s promising that in two weeks and pruning again? He’ll get people who wanted to stay but crack under the pressure leaving soon, and those fissures can widen.
He should make a policy to only have Unvaccinated workers. I mean they made it clear they can fire us for not getting it. So it should be perfectly legal to fire the people who did get it.
I'm pretty sure you can be fired in California for having the wrong political views. I bet I would be fired from Warner Brothers pretty fast if they saw my post history here.
Don't work for Warner brothers, but I did work at an Airport FBO and witnessed Elton John being pissed off at the fact he had to take a bus to his next concert because the weather conditions at the airport were unsafe.
big tech is so full of useless bloat, people not doing shit.
shit, i'm a partner at a tech company and we grew too much too fast. we didn't get any woke retards, there are ways to purify employee hiring. but we're at 350 today, and i would be perfectly happy to move back down to 50.
100%, I got triggered when I saw that one YouTube vid of their typical day and at the end she said after a long days work I'll have a glass of wine or some shit.
This is the way to get the real engineers who do all the work. I'm betting they're all white guys, half without degrees hired before HR began requiring all applicants have them.
These guys already work these long hours. They know that they will now be able to do the same, have more freedom, less red tape, and get the credit they deserve.
Good way to get all the experienced / talented to quit. Unpaid long hours that are not any more productive than working normal hours isn't something in demand workers tolerate for long.
Sure, but all of Elons companies are bifurcated into junior engineers/interns that will work 80 hour weeks and a couple of engineering fellows who are so rich they don’t have to work but love to anyway. There aren’t really any senior engineers at any Elon company. The ground ops lead for the Falcon Heavy first launch was a fucking intern.
This is the way to keep the young go-getters, but lose the experienced performers.
I'm experienced and have a family. I also work remotely, which Musk hates. I do more in my first 35hrs than most are doing in 60.
This policy is gonna scare off all the folks like me with maturity and experience, but keep those that are younger, hungrier, and have nowhere else to be. In reality you want both. That's why you should focus on results. If it takes some folks longer to achieve results then that's what they should do. If you can get results and fuck around, then so be it. But Elon seems more interested in people who can warm seats for a certain amount of hours in a certain location.
Hopefully Musk is saying this more as a figure of speech and less literally. That is: hopefully he doesn't actually track seat time, but tracks actual productivity. Hopefully what he calls "long gruelling hours" is relative to the typical work-life of a typical Twitter employee, who have been quoted as saying they can fuck around as much as they want and do nothing because the company cares about "mental health."
Yeah, and most conservatives with families value their family more than a job. They aren't interested in working 60 hour weeks because then they're completely absent as a parent. That's not how you raise a family nor is it how you treat your spouse. If my wife worked 60 hour weeks nonstop I'd fucking leave her. Not much difference since I'd never see her anyways and when I did she'd be exhausted and just want to sleep.
Anybody who has worked 60+ hour work weeks consistently will tell you if absolutely awful and is terrible on your psyche and health. I have done it for a small amount of time and its awful. Its just not worth it. There's more to life like spending time with your family then slaving away at work and being a miserable robot for a piece of tech or software that is ultimately not needed by anybody.
I've worked 72 hours for stints of 7 months day shift and 4 months graveyard shift: it's not that bad and the money is worth it for the periods of time stated.
Project Veritas has a video from a Twitter engineer saying they really only work 4 hours per week, lol.
This particular message doesn't mention 70+ hours, but Elon Musk has a reputation: He doesn't just want you to do a strong day's work and go home to your family, instead of working 4 hour weeks and drinking emotional health lattes for the rest. He wants work to be the entire meaning of your life. That might fly for 20-somethings at Space-X, but it's not sustainable for 40-somethings with families.
Where did you see 70 hours?! Hell it's silicon valley... long hours might just be working a solid 8 hours and not leaving for lunch for 4 hours to do your meditation exercises.
BS. I know many people who have worked for large tech companies. 40 hours is expected at a minimum. Many work more then that and many have to work odd hours regularly when things go wrong. Saying long hours implies over 40 and I’d guess like 60. Most of those contracts are also salary not hourly so they will not get anything extra for working those hours.
My normal work weeks are like 65-75 hours, all outside. These guys can suck it up sitting on their asses in expensive chairs, in their nice warm/air conditioned offices.
Some people just aren't motivated by money like that. Personally, I'd rather spend more time with my family and friends than afford a fancy car or yearly vacation to someplace exotic.
This one. We have more fun playing board games with family than going on some expensive vacation. Its not about the location, its about the quality of time spent with loved ones.
Even understanding how the income tax works, he has a point: If the amount over the threshold is getting taxed at a 30% base federal rate, and you still have to add Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid taxes on top of that, and then you have to add state income tax on top of that, the actual increase in take-home pay really starts to slow-down.
True, I just wanted to make sure folks realize a pay increase is never a loss in pay. People shouldn't be content with the class they are in if they have a desire to do more. Universal income, use it or lose it apps (china) is just a way to lock in groups of people. Folks should have the freedom to enrich their lives beyond what the government allocates to them. If that self determination/freedom is lost we are done.
I think that he's asking people to work that many hours, because they're passionate about what they're doing. So it's purposefully weeding out people who are just there for the paycheck.
You think anyone who works at twitter has families? Also, it's most likely a temporary move to weed out those who aren't passionate or know how to work hard.
If they are conservatives, yes. But there are plenty of other reasons not to go on a 60-70 hour workweek. And making a lot of assumptions to assume he’d stop anytime soon, especially if he ends up understaffed
I work in tech to be plainly honest I completely fucking hate that I'm expected to be able to work every single hour of every day. That's not why I spent 5-7 years of my life in college. To be a lifeless slave getting suckered into a lower per hour wage and no free time. Just fucking pay me less asshole.
If the job is 80 hours a week LIST IT THAT WAY ASSHOLE.
Virtually EVERY single other aspect of the company comes on to the tech floor "piss on these losers, is it 5? I'm going home see ya".
I think there are a lot of jobs that do seriously need to undertake a transformation and seriously examine why they're operating the way they do.
The fact of the matter is, and we can belly ache and moan about it all we want as conservatives, and yearn for the old days, but it doesn't change -- the working world has changed, and employers haven't really kept up.
So many employers now want to demand 60 hours a week of work, and expect you to be doing busy work every second of every hour, and that's just not how our world works any longer.
We aren't on production lines or sweat shops where the amount of sewing or pulling levers dictates how productive we are.
Automation, robotics, and just straight up more efficient processes has resulted in a world where the work itself has fundamentally changed.
We weren't put on this planet just to work for 60 hours a week, never see our family, pay taxes and then just fucking die.
I have to believe we were put here for some other purpose. And we've strayed so far away from that purpose, that people look at being a wage slave as a virtue.
Especially our side of the aisle. We have this fucked up and warped view of what "work ethic" means, and for most of us, it means putting your nose to the grindstone for all 60-70 of those hours, and being THANKFUL that someone pays you scraps.
I think until our side really comes to grasp with this problem, and really starts to see that the world has changed and we didn't keep up, we aren't going to be viable politically, because economic policy is a huge part of political viability.
If we just keep preaching "work work work 70 hours a week and make pennies on the dollar compared to the middle manager you're working for, and be a fucking slave who begs and grovels and thanks their masters for not whipping them harder", then we're never going to attract new voters/supporters.
There are literally people trying to form "anti-work" politics. And while I don't agree with that, I think work is important, I do think it's indicative of the time that we're in. The entire face of industry has changed, and we won't admit it.
I personally think we need to find ways for people to work less hours a week and still be able to survive. I think that's the way our society wants to head. I'm not saying don't do anything, but there are soooooo many jobs now where you're literally just clocked in to be clocked in, and justify your existence, when the only real work you're doing is maybe 20 hours a week at best.
Why can't we admit this and change how we do business?
I recently read that our future economy is likely going to turn into a contract economy if we don't change how we do shit. Where people won't work FOR a company, but will work on a given project/assignment, get paid for it, and then move on. Sort of like a construction outfit, they do a given job, get paid, and then go find more work.
I feel like that a huge problem we get wrong though. I've met so many conservatives who think if you aren't busting your ass for some company to absurd levels, you must be lazy or something.
They think that if you aren't giving up that work life balance, and literally working 60,70 or more hours a week, for a company that doesn't give two shits about you, then you must be a communist or something.
I'm just over here like... Guys.... There is a better way. We can have family time AND a career, too. Not that long ago we did.
A single income on 40 hours a week woudl support a family of 4, in a nice home, with a two car garage, and people still had time to go cookout, spend time with their family at the lake, go camping, etc etc.
Working 6 and 7 days a week, 10 or 12 hours a day, just because that's the only way to have a nice truck or some shit, is not sustainable. We used to have it better. People are too willing to accept being slaves now, because apparently to admit that our work system is fucked up, is to be a leftist or something in their bad logic?>
Very good point. I worked for a tech company doing 60-70 hours a week and making bank but wasn’t happy. Switched to one who valued my expertise and still make the same. It definitely depends on the company.
That, here has been a big problem. Demonization is easy when you are angry, but yeah, the other side is not all fake votes and demon possessed. There’s people at the the end of their rope working 65 hrs a week on a good week, and when they here one side say “stop being lazy whiners” and the other side saying “you shouldn’t have to work like that”, that second side has them, because they aren’t thinking about the viability of the plans that side has, they are thinking this is the side that cares about them at all.
“Fuck optics”, “no compromise” and the like may have irreparably fucked us already.
We weren't put on this planet just to work for 60 hours a week, never see our family, pay taxes and then just fucking die.
Giant corps taking power away from small business is one of the problems. More people should be running their own businesses or trades instead of working for a corporation as a wage slave. It used to be that those trade were passed down family lines, but modern society turned us into broken rootless consumers who kick our kids out at 18 to do whatever they want rather than building large extended families - a potential source of wealth and power. Obviously there are perverse incentives at play too, in government and tax policy.
Yep. There were many things at play that resulted in this clusterfuck.
Feminism, for example, was leveraged by those very same giant corps to double their worker supply and half the salary.
There's a reason that now you can't live on a single income. There's a reason it's unsustainable to try and have a family the way it was in our parents and grandparents time - because we're all wage slave tax cows now. Both of the genders are now doing it.
We accepted it, because as you rightly pointed out, we because mindless consumers, consuming every piece of chinese garbage thrown at us, and we just needed more, more, more.
Our whole society is at a point where something is going to have to change. Not just our political system.
Not all tech jobs are like that. And I don't just mean the wine-and-yoga-room twitter bullshit. The last few jobs I've had had decent work/life balance with after-hours work only when essential.
The handful that stay will be happy. When twitter is turned around they'll be able to put on their resume that they were part of the turnaround and every company in America will know they are highly competent and hard working.
Why would any leftist who is fired ever be in a position of power again? The "big" tech companies are shrinking and Leftists only survive in large companies.
At least he’s being upfront. I’ve been too many places that turn into “high intensity” as a default because the company sucks ass and won’t acknowledge what’s broken and then prioritize the right work. Software is full of sales and product people who only chase the shiny and lie to land big contracts then turn to Devs to say “hey man this is broken”. “Yeah no shit, what do you think we’ve been trying to tell you while you’re busy making up codenames and slide decks and lying about nonexistent features to land those deals”.
I've been inches away from strangling a sales guy because what he promised a customer would require us to break the gottverdamt laws of physics to do what he wanted. Fortunately our CEO was faster, and gave him such an epic tongue lashing the guy quit 4 days later.
Leftists are adverse to long work hours (especially when the work is difficult). Game journos love reporting on the "workplace conditions" at videogame companies, reporting on workers lamenting 60 hour work weeks and such.
Pay should be commensurate with long hours though. I did not see anything in there about pay raises. It is fair to refuse to work more for the same money.
It never is commensurate. It's also usually for something you hope you get ie: a dogshit title promotion. I work only for guaranteed return, not hopes an promises.
Seriously, everyone here acting like Twitter is a garage startup. No, it's a multi-billion-dollar company, it can afford to pay everyone what they deserve right now. If it doesn't, that's just Elon trying to put more profit into his own pocket.
I'm not a leftist. But I know that working longer hours in tech lowers code quality and productivity. It's also a risk for burn out. It's a recipe for disaster. I would quit. I rather make less money than ruin my health and my marriage. Fuck the "hard work" conservatives.
Capitalism has a way of weeding out incompetence. But it's tough explaining this to people who have never ran their own business or who don't have real skin in the proverbial game.
I don't know how this attitude is going to work out for him. IMO good / experienced software engineers have lives and have options and will leave. These are the most productive / talented. Hours past a certain point are no longer productive. People without options will stay, for now.
Butts-in-seats for X hours > results. That's most large companies, by the way.
The best paying jobs I've had were NOT like that, but they didn't tolerate non-performers... then they get bought out by large companies and push out all the true high-performers.
Honestly it reeks of desperation. It sends message that the only way the company will survive is if a skeleton crew works extra hard for a longer period of time for no extra money. The ones who may have a lot of leverage. it's also clear they aren't iring or backfilling. Who the hell is going to want to take a job there? Even in this shit job market, I can definitely find many jobs that don't publicly advertise "long, hard hours for no extra pay!" Honestly they sound kinda screwed.
"Working long hours at high intensity" - Look I hate the wokesters at twitter as much as anyone, but I wouldn't do that unless I was being rewarded appropriately for my effort.
I would absolutely work like a dog if my title were something like "Co-Founder" and I could expect to share in the spoils of my efforts, but "Hey, I want you to work 70 hours a week for the same salary you were pulling at 40 in the face of exploding inflation" would have me looking for a new job post haste
I think it's elon that found out. Twitter will NEVER be worth 44b. Never. He thought he was the master troll in January and Agrawal totally bent him over for it. He's getting no sleep replaying how he got played by an immigrant.
None of us know how much it will be worth, but you know he didn't buy it expecting it to make his money back, right? He saw an untapped opportunity and bought it to advertise his services and sell other products. (like banking) He only needs to pay back the investment backers over time by staying in the black.
Also that's his original offer. How did he "got played"?
He wanted to withdraw his original offer when he looked over the numbers and realized he was over paying. And he couldn’t. This had a cost-benefit ratio that might not have been measured soley in dollars but he’s realized he can’t get exactly what he’d wanted to. Even moreso if he runs it into the ground, which by all accounts he’s doing.
Man. Almost makes you want to work for twitter. That sweet sweet overtime. Optimized work. Getting to harvest salty tears of libs when you are counteproductive to their echo chamber.
Reports are now that pretty much the entire payroll department resigned yesterday. That’s bad. Nobody’s getting raises in that case, when there’s not even anybody around to approve the current paychecks.
That one thing alone, can actually save a very significant amount of money. Believe it or not that’s easier to fix than you think. Especially with a private company
I have a friend that worked for space x as a cnc machinist, They DEMANDED results. and they REWARDED with great pay, company stock and huge trust. As a machine operator, not a manager or anything, this guy had a 6 figure blanket PO for machines and tooling.
He could literally call HAAS and have another Mill or Lathe sent over without getting upper approval. As long as you were delivering parts in spec and schedule you were golden.
Don't get me wrong, I love Haas and what they're doing making CNC more accessible. I appreciate some of the "don't pay for what you don't need" stuff, but when it's things like HSM, or other codes/software things, it can be annoying. Especially when you add up everything, it becomes much more comparable to other machines, like doosan which includes all the features. I love the open information they provide, and I really wish the industry moved that direction.
My big gripe with them though, is the decrease in quality over the past few years. A place I worked at had 3 DT2 machines, and the way covers on all of them got loose and smacked the walls, and exposed some of the ball screws. And the machines were less than a year old.
Musk is literally making them opt in if they want to continue to work at Twitter. No more virtue signally for these idiots, from then on out they sign-up for it. If they want to virtue signal then don't opt-in. Now is their chance. You know these woke twitter idiots are making tic-tok videos on their decision.
Would you rather see Elon for 12 hours per day or your family?
That thought is what is going to be going through the head of a lot of experienced people at twitter.
It's good that Elon is massacring the useless twits at Twitter. But making it a bitch to work there will never let him retain decent employees.
(For reference, I used to work 12 hour shifts 7 days per week during the holiday season when I was younger, and I don't ever want to do that anymore at this stage in my life.)
i don't understand y he's taking it out on those who probably do real work either. I just hate the woke management. I honest never thought Twitter was slow or buggy.
I love this. Leftists are NOT ambitious or hardcore workers. Only Conservatives with morals & values will stay. It's a brilliant move. They will eliminate themselves. Then he can start fresh with "His" people.
No. Conservatives have families. If I had to start working 65 hours a week I won’t be actually part of my family any more. My values are why I would leave.
the comments on that twitter thread are hilarious. these leftist faggots are so afraid of work. they can't see the forest through the trees and realize that they're getting two incredibly viable options set before them.
become part of a legitimate SaaS company and do something meaningful with your life
take a THREE MONTH severance and walk (that's really generous, and if you can't find a job in 3 months you're a retard)
these goddamn people...such babies. welcome to the real world
Can't wait to see what kind of mental gymnastics they're going to perform trying to claim they have a right to continue working for those 3 months, not just get paid, because now they can't sabotage the company.
Elon is intentionally burning the company down so he can rebuild it. His goal is to purge all the people who would become fifth columnists and subversionists within his company, while getting around the fact that California law bars him from directly firing people for their political views. So he's pressure cooking them out instead.
I think he's planning to move the company to Texas or somewhere else and he doesn't want to pay to relocate a bunch of fags so he's driving out as much deadweight as possible before moving the company and he can rebuild with engineers in Texas.
Move it to Florida
Pierre, South Dakota….. About as far from a Bay Area lifestyle as it gets.
No joke. Pierre is crazy remote. It has to be one of the only State Capitols that isn’t even connected to a major interstate.
It’s a 40 mile detour off of I90 to even get there lol
There are three in the continental U.S.: Pierre, South Dakota; Dover, Delaware; and Jefferson City, Missouri.
Now this is the high quality research I come here for! Ha
Me too, I pick up a lot of USA trivia/fun facts here <3 <3 <3
From a handshake no less!! ... so good it's sus! Thanks "new" pede!!
Continental. But Juneau deserves an honorable mention. Forget highway, i don't think you can drive there. You'll need a ferry, boat, or small plane.
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Yeah, liberals trolling for schlock in a city park during a Midwest April blizzard likely won’t have the same appeal to them that San Fran does. And just imagine the distances they will have to drive for Grindr hookups! Will the electric car even make it that far in the snow?
Sounds like a hilarious parody tv show.
"No Soymilk for Young Men"
real winters, real americans, and a drought of soy products
I've driven nearly the entire country and South Dakota is one of my favorite parts. I love "The Hills". It Also has one of the lowest unemployment rates and reasonable cost of living.
It gets pretty cold there in the winter but honestly you aren't doing shit outdoors in like 85% of the landmass of the USA during the winter anyway.
Lucky Pierre
What and bring a bunch of leftists there?
It's gonna take a long time to purge them out.
Leftists don't want to work for Elon. Therefore, relocating Twitter post-purchase isn't relocating leftists in to any given state.
The Dakota winters will purge most people.
Florida deserves a good large tech company.
Too hot. Location close to european ocean cables is a plus. No place to put it though. Send them to the coldest bumfuck nowherest place you can find and test their mettle.
HQ and data centers are not the same. Not sure twitter has it's own data centers.
Actually I looked it up and they Do have a datacenter. From December 2020: "A favorite outlet of the current US President, Twitter has more than 330 million monthly active users and is the 46th most visited website in the world." KEK
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/twitter-expands-aws-partnership-moves-feed-cloud/
But they use Amazon Web Services. Not surprised. The only big one not on AWS are google and microsoft who have their own cloud service and I think facebook has it's own infrastructure. That makes twitters staffing more ridiculous.
Florida has laws against antisemitism and boycotting Israel.
So does Texas
I’m still real iffy about Elon, but this is exactly what he’s doing. It’s called “trimming the fat” in my industry. And Twitter is full of fat (both figuratively and literally, I’m sure)
This has passed the fat and is hitting veins.
At the rate he's going, he's going to put the whole company out of business because no one is going to work for him.
I wouldn't work for someone who talks like that, they are terrible to work for and the promised rewards never match the stress and time.
I'm in a start-up right now and this week I'm working 70 hours, but most weeks it's 40. 100% remote.
I agree. I like Elon but would never work for him. He is brilliant but is also a narcissist and that is a terrible combination. The only way he is going to retain top talent is to give ownership options because people who are working for a salary are not going to put up with his antics. He seems to be operating on the Amazon model where people are paid well, and then worked to death until they realize there is more to life than money and quit.
Elon's companies are mainly composed of young engineers looking to get it on their resume. They stay 2-4 years and then leave for a less demanding job. As long as he can keep a small cadre of senior managers who have the institutional knowledge, this strategy can work.
I suspect there are a few core teams that actually make shit work day-to-day (probably only a few hundred people). Jack, no doubt, knows exactly who they are. These people are probably tired of dealing with the dozens of other teams, each working on their own managers' fiefdoms and pet projects that never go anywhere. They may welcome management with a cohesive vision and clear mission (assuming Musk has either for Twitter). The fact that Twitter is still running hints that tons of the headcount was just spinning wheels.
And the fact is his new feature just got delayed again because he has the numbers to maintain but not change. He fucked up. 50% as an opener and keeping it going? This is a mistake unless he wants to run it to the ground.
Yeh, you have no idea
What? Most of those fags could "work" remotely
I don't think he's much of a fan of remote work, that doesn't fit well with his "high intensity" style
It can be done but there has to be accountability. Some of us loners get distracted by all the people and work better in isolation. Computer programming isn't exactly a social activity lol
I'm in IT and work from home but Elon specifically said he wasn't a fan and wants people to show up at the office for work.
Same -- my productive drops the moment I enter an office or begin s commute ... I've committed to always working from home and will force someone to fire me before I'll drive in everyday or undergo a medical procedure (clot shot)
My employer has been harassing me for over a year for proof of vaccination. I just ignore them.
My employer said come back to the office or quit. They waited until the people that refused to come back quit and then kept us WFH. Lol.
He does get to run his company however he pleases, after all.
There's accountability. If I miss a zoom meeting or don't participate on slack, it is noticed.
It actually is a very social activity. Most code changes should be small-ish and have two reviews. And you have to respond to QA. Yeah, not social as in constant interaction, but you can't go unnoticed for long without blocking someone else's job.
The biggest time waster for me working from home is my wife assuming I'm not doing anything important and that she can interrupt me for any reason, especially when I'm staring off into space working out a problem in my head.
Just leave me alone.
Yeah, Elon wants to be able to pop in, walk around, check in on random departments and if 4 leads are working from home and he cant get in touch with all at the same time, it can turn into a shitshow
Twitter has remote work. I still see their job offers. If you work in the cloud the only requirement is electricity and an internet connection. Enough solar and a starlink earth station you can work most anywhere.
Haven't been following that closely but I gather Elon is reeling that in. He hates remote work and already did the same at Tesla.
His memos on this tend to include something along the lines of "If this is a problem, you're going to have to pretend to work for someone else." Lol
Elon said show up in office or quit.
That's his "test".
The hardcore employees who do the real work will show up and not whine about it.
The bitch-made folks who do nothing but "virtual meetings" where nothing is ever decided or actually done will revolt and be promptly fired.
As soon as he's purged the commies from Twitter, they'll know who they can trust and can go back to fucking-work-from-anywhere-as-long-as-you're-meeting-milestones style of work.
For months back in 2021 my entire network engineer team was "working from home" and holy shit did we still get a lot done. And since we were pretty much scattered all over the metro, we were able to respond to on-site calls a lot faster.
The boss loved it so much he fucking downsized the office space he was renting as soon as the lease was up and saved a shitload of money.
But at first he was completely terrified with it until he saw the number of tickets being worked and closed to the clients' satisfaction running at a faster rate than before. The clients themselves saw absolutely zero change. Same phone number and email, same less-than-5-minutes response time, but faster on-site arrival than before.
So I quit and toured Pandemic Land for a year. Yup, the entire lower-48.
People out there are insane.
They definitely still make exceptions.
The exception is people doing exceptional work who are vouched for or where it's required by circumstance. He's said this. In the meantime he has told the rank and file to show up and they'll work from there.
I assume. .... Twitter banned me today for calling for someone pushing for war that would kill my kids a warmonger. Apparently he was a MOT so I'm convicted of raysysm without appeal.
Ask who you're not allowed to criticize ? but who cares. Could be a dead ender that was missed in the first culling at twathHQ
Mot?
Of course, similar to Tesla and SpaceX.
He already said he doesn't want remote work anymore.
That's stupid of him.
I have remote work and it is the ONLY reason I stay with my current employer. I'm looking for other jobs, but currently I haven't found one with at least 4 days per week at home like I currently have.
I get 10 times as much work done as some of my coworkers.
edit: Genuinely surprised by the downvotes. It's like some people like being cucked by their employers or something.
Yeah, I don't like employers who are against remote work. In fact, I fucking hate them. This is modern times. Most people don't need to commute through overcrowded freeways and waste hours out of their day to go sit in some office, just because it makes their boss feel good. It's time we rethink the way we work. And all these employers wonder why everyone is quitting. It's because they woke up.
With gas prices the way they are, and companies downsizing, I see no problem with people working from home that are able to, keeps the roads less backed up for people like me that have to commute. Different jobs have different requirements.
Don't assume he doesn't know remote work is good for tech companies. He does but he also needs to downsize. This is just like eliminating free food. He is trying to get people to leave to cut costs because we are in a recession. All the tech companies are laying off employees and downsizing.
I hear you.
I'm the same.
Sometimes, remote work is a curse because I literally am on my computer 24 hours a day.
But, it's not for everybody. I'm a Gen-Xer who grew up glued to a PC as a total nerd/geek back in the early 1980s.
I'm not sure if today's coders can handle the same without smoking weed, or taking an afternoon nap, or wasting time on social media on one screen while they "do their work" on another screen.
Working on a shaded deck with a gentle breeze is the best way to work
The man owns a car company. Of course he wants people to have to commute to an office.
You are part of the problem. Cope and seethe when your employer realizes they can pay a Indian to do your “remote” job for half the wage.
In my current position, it actually went the opposite direction. My boss was so fed up having to spend days outlining jobs in detail, and still having them not come back correct, that he’s paying me as much as the team of Indians that used to do my job, because he knows he can just hand it off to me and it'll come back exactly how he wants it. In less time too.
I also WFH four days a week and am in the office the fifth day. My productivity sucks on that day too. I’m way more productive at home.
He specifically said he was doing away with that as well in the last email.
Honestly he doesn't need that many engineers compared to something like spacex. Its a fucking communication platform with server farms.... It's not rocket science
Texas will happen.
It's also great psychologically - nobody made them stay, nobody made them click the link, they turned down money to leave. So, get to work: it's the path you chose.
Only if enough people choose it. He just had to delay the new blue check system again, and he’s promising that in two weeks and pruning again? He’ll get people who wanted to stay but crack under the pressure leaving soon, and those fissures can widen.
He should make a policy to only have Unvaccinated workers. I mean they made it clear they can fire us for not getting it. So it should be perfectly legal to fire the people who did get it.
He tweeted that "I support covid vaccines. The science is unequivocal." so don't hold your breath.
Bill Gates level scientist then
He going to fire himself then?
Give the guy a week…. At his current pace I’m sure he’ll get around to firing himself before we know it.
He reminds me of the Gatling gun guy from the original predator. Mowing everything down and letting the barrel spin on…
That's the best part....
I fucking love the way you think!!!!
If california law bans employers for directly firing people for their political views why does it happen so often in california to Republicans?
I'm pretty sure you can be fired in California for having the wrong political views. I bet I would be fired from Warner Brothers pretty fast if they saw my post history here.
Tell us about the crazy shit you've seen working in the entertainment industry.
Don't work for Warner brothers, but I did work at an Airport FBO and witnessed Elton John being pissed off at the fact he had to take a bus to his next concert because the weather conditions at the airport were unsafe.
They can go work at FTX
Or go to Facebook...
They ain't hiring ha
That's the joke
They are doing layoffs now too
Same difference
hashtag #Take-It-Or-Leave-It-Woke-Fuckwads
This is pretty generous. Basically get paid for three months to quit.
small price to pay to remove their ability to sabotage the company.
Musk has no choice, it’s the law in CA for “mass” layoffs
Edit- looks like 60 days is the law.
I got one week of severance when I got laid off from a mortgage company due to the FJB economy.
This isn't a layoff.
As corporate America goes it is generous. My company offers 1 week for every year of service. They’re getting 12 years worth.
And they probably get unemployment benefits after that 3 mo period, too.
Source: Nothing, I'm just assuming
big tech is so full of useless bloat, people not doing shit.
shit, i'm a partner at a tech company and we grew too much too fast. we didn't get any woke retards, there are ways to purify employee hiring. but we're at 350 today, and i would be perfectly happy to move back down to 50.
Actually work for a change or get the fuck out
Very cool Elon
I heard the average Twitter salary is over $100k pa.. make them work for it
100%, I got triggered when I saw that one YouTube vid of their typical day and at the end she said after a long days work I'll have a glass of wine or some shit.
This is the way to get the real engineers who do all the work. I'm betting they're all white guys, half without degrees hired before HR began requiring all applicants have them.
These guys already work these long hours. They know that they will now be able to do the same, have more freedom, less red tape, and get the credit they deserve.
And stop living in fear someone will find their TD.win user name
For my next job I'm putting my username right on my resume.
(But I might change it to GIANT PENIS (parody) first.)
Best comment I’ve seen all week. Take my updoot
Always delete history. When in doubt, create new or lurk.
Keep the old one but don't comment a lot.
Good way to get all the experienced / talented to quit. Unpaid long hours that are not any more productive than working normal hours isn't something in demand workers tolerate for long.
Sure, but all of Elons companies are bifurcated into junior engineers/interns that will work 80 hour weeks and a couple of engineering fellows who are so rich they don’t have to work but love to anyway. There aren’t really any senior engineers at any Elon company. The ground ops lead for the Falcon Heavy first launch was a fucking intern.
This is the way to keep the young go-getters, but lose the experienced performers.
I'm experienced and have a family. I also work remotely, which Musk hates. I do more in my first 35hrs than most are doing in 60.
This policy is gonna scare off all the folks like me with maturity and experience, but keep those that are younger, hungrier, and have nowhere else to be. In reality you want both. That's why you should focus on results. If it takes some folks longer to achieve results then that's what they should do. If you can get results and fuck around, then so be it. But Elon seems more interested in people who can warm seats for a certain amount of hours in a certain location.
Hopefully Musk is saying this more as a figure of speech and less literally. That is: hopefully he doesn't actually track seat time, but tracks actual productivity. Hopefully what he calls "long gruelling hours" is relative to the typical work-life of a typical Twitter employee, who have been quoted as saying they can fuck around as much as they want and do nothing because the company cares about "mental health."
Yeah, and most conservatives with families value their family more than a job. They aren't interested in working 60 hour weeks because then they're completely absent as a parent. That's not how you raise a family nor is it how you treat your spouse. If my wife worked 60 hour weeks nonstop I'd fucking leave her. Not much difference since I'd never see her anyways and when I did she'd be exhausted and just want to sleep.
Fuck companies that demand long working hours.
I'm sure there's some Asians in there too
They have probably started to exit long ago.
https://youtu.be/hpxqojNi3ME
Lol, I'd already be gone, take your 70+ hour work weeks and shove them right up your ass.
Anybody who has worked 60+ hour work weeks consistently will tell you if absolutely awful and is terrible on your psyche and health. I have done it for a small amount of time and its awful. Its just not worth it. There's more to life like spending time with your family then slaving away at work and being a miserable robot for a piece of tech or software that is ultimately not needed by anybody.
I've done it. And up to 100 hours. Max was about 140 supporting exercises.
I've worked 72 hours for stints of 7 months day shift and 4 months graveyard shift: it's not that bad and the money is worth it for the periods of time stated.
I didn't see 70 hrs anywhere. I doubt those smug marxists worked 20 hours a week, and even the hours they worked were a joke.
Project Veritas has a video from a Twitter engineer saying they really only work 4 hours per week, lol.
This particular message doesn't mention 70+ hours, but Elon Musk has a reputation: He doesn't just want you to do a strong day's work and go home to your family, instead of working 4 hour weeks and drinking emotional health lattes for the rest. He wants work to be the entire meaning of your life. That might fly for 20-somethings at Space-X, but it's not sustainable for 40-somethings with families.
Where did you see 70 hours?! Hell it's silicon valley... long hours might just be working a solid 8 hours and not leaving for lunch for 4 hours to do your meditation exercises.
BS. I know many people who have worked for large tech companies. 40 hours is expected at a minimum. Many work more then that and many have to work odd hours regularly when things go wrong. Saying long hours implies over 40 and I’d guess like 60. Most of those contracts are also salary not hourly so they will not get anything extra for working those hours.
Probably SpaceX.
There were plenty of times in my life that 70 hours would have been a great relief
R/Antiwork?
70+ hours? More like r/antiburnedoutandmiserable.
My normal work weeks are like 65-75 hours, all outside. These guys can suck it up sitting on their asses in expensive chairs, in their nice warm/air conditioned offices.
That’s not something to brag about brother.
You should find a new job. That's not even living, it's slavery.
Some people just aren't motivated by money like that. Personally, I'd rather spend more time with my family and friends than afford a fancy car or yearly vacation to someplace exotic.
This one. We have more fun playing board games with family than going on some expensive vacation. Its not about the location, its about the quality of time spent with loved ones.
Once you get in the 30% income tax bracket you don’t get much of your increased pay anyways.
FYI
https://www.annuity.org/wp-content/uploads/example-how-tax-brackets-work-640x0-c-default.jpg
Even understanding how the income tax works, he has a point: If the amount over the threshold is getting taxed at a 30% base federal rate, and you still have to add Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid taxes on top of that, and then you have to add state income tax on top of that, the actual increase in take-home pay really starts to slow-down.
True, I just wanted to make sure folks realize a pay increase is never a loss in pay. People shouldn't be content with the class they are in if they have a desire to do more. Universal income, use it or lose it apps (china) is just a way to lock in groups of people. Folks should have the freedom to enrich their lives beyond what the government allocates to them. If that self determination/freedom is lost we are done.
I think that he's asking people to work that many hours, because they're passionate about what they're doing. So it's purposefully weeding out people who are just there for the paycheck.
Or have families.
You think anyone who works at twitter has families? Also, it's most likely a temporary move to weed out those who aren't passionate or know how to work hard.
If they are conservatives, yes. But there are plenty of other reasons not to go on a 60-70 hour workweek. And making a lot of assumptions to assume he’d stop anytime soon, especially if he ends up understaffed
they dont want to work 40 hours.
I work in tech to be plainly honest I completely fucking hate that I'm expected to be able to work every single hour of every day. That's not why I spent 5-7 years of my life in college. To be a lifeless slave getting suckered into a lower per hour wage and no free time. Just fucking pay me less asshole.
If the job is 80 hours a week LIST IT THAT WAY ASSHOLE.
Virtually EVERY single other aspect of the company comes on to the tech floor "piss on these losers, is it 5? I'm going home see ya".
I think there are a lot of jobs that do seriously need to undertake a transformation and seriously examine why they're operating the way they do.
The fact of the matter is, and we can belly ache and moan about it all we want as conservatives, and yearn for the old days, but it doesn't change -- the working world has changed, and employers haven't really kept up.
So many employers now want to demand 60 hours a week of work, and expect you to be doing busy work every second of every hour, and that's just not how our world works any longer.
We aren't on production lines or sweat shops where the amount of sewing or pulling levers dictates how productive we are.
Automation, robotics, and just straight up more efficient processes has resulted in a world where the work itself has fundamentally changed.
We weren't put on this planet just to work for 60 hours a week, never see our family, pay taxes and then just fucking die.
I have to believe we were put here for some other purpose. And we've strayed so far away from that purpose, that people look at being a wage slave as a virtue.
Especially our side of the aisle. We have this fucked up and warped view of what "work ethic" means, and for most of us, it means putting your nose to the grindstone for all 60-70 of those hours, and being THANKFUL that someone pays you scraps.
I think until our side really comes to grasp with this problem, and really starts to see that the world has changed and we didn't keep up, we aren't going to be viable politically, because economic policy is a huge part of political viability.
If we just keep preaching "work work work 70 hours a week and make pennies on the dollar compared to the middle manager you're working for, and be a fucking slave who begs and grovels and thanks their masters for not whipping them harder", then we're never going to attract new voters/supporters.
There are literally people trying to form "anti-work" politics. And while I don't agree with that, I think work is important, I do think it's indicative of the time that we're in. The entire face of industry has changed, and we won't admit it.
I personally think we need to find ways for people to work less hours a week and still be able to survive. I think that's the way our society wants to head. I'm not saying don't do anything, but there are soooooo many jobs now where you're literally just clocked in to be clocked in, and justify your existence, when the only real work you're doing is maybe 20 hours a week at best.
Why can't we admit this and change how we do business?
I recently read that our future economy is likely going to turn into a contract economy if we don't change how we do shit. Where people won't work FOR a company, but will work on a given project/assignment, get paid for it, and then move on. Sort of like a construction outfit, they do a given job, get paid, and then go find more work.
That makes a lot of sense to me.
The left isn’t wrong about everything. Work life balance is important. They’re just wrong about using gov to solve it.
I feel like that a huge problem we get wrong though. I've met so many conservatives who think if you aren't busting your ass for some company to absurd levels, you must be lazy or something.
They think that if you aren't giving up that work life balance, and literally working 60,70 or more hours a week, for a company that doesn't give two shits about you, then you must be a communist or something.
I'm just over here like... Guys.... There is a better way. We can have family time AND a career, too. Not that long ago we did.
A single income on 40 hours a week woudl support a family of 4, in a nice home, with a two car garage, and people still had time to go cookout, spend time with their family at the lake, go camping, etc etc.
Working 6 and 7 days a week, 10 or 12 hours a day, just because that's the only way to have a nice truck or some shit, is not sustainable. We used to have it better. People are too willing to accept being slaves now, because apparently to admit that our work system is fucked up, is to be a leftist or something in their bad logic?>
Very good point. I worked for a tech company doing 60-70 hours a week and making bank but wasn’t happy. Switched to one who valued my expertise and still make the same. It definitely depends on the company.
That, here has been a big problem. Demonization is easy when you are angry, but yeah, the other side is not all fake votes and demon possessed. There’s people at the the end of their rope working 65 hrs a week on a good week, and when they here one side say “stop being lazy whiners” and the other side saying “you shouldn’t have to work like that”, that second side has them, because they aren’t thinking about the viability of the plans that side has, they are thinking this is the side that cares about them at all.
“Fuck optics”, “no compromise” and the like may have irreparably fucked us already.
Giant corps taking power away from small business is one of the problems. More people should be running their own businesses or trades instead of working for a corporation as a wage slave. It used to be that those trade were passed down family lines, but modern society turned us into broken rootless consumers who kick our kids out at 18 to do whatever they want rather than building large extended families - a potential source of wealth and power. Obviously there are perverse incentives at play too, in government and tax policy.
Yep. There were many things at play that resulted in this clusterfuck.
Feminism, for example, was leveraged by those very same giant corps to double their worker supply and half the salary.
There's a reason that now you can't live on a single income. There's a reason it's unsustainable to try and have a family the way it was in our parents and grandparents time - because we're all wage slave tax cows now. Both of the genders are now doing it.
We accepted it, because as you rightly pointed out, we because mindless consumers, consuming every piece of chinese garbage thrown at us, and we just needed more, more, more.
Our whole society is at a point where something is going to have to change. Not just our political system.
This
TLDR Work smart but also hard when necessary.
Not all tech jobs are like that. And I don't just mean the wine-and-yoga-room twitter bullshit. The last few jobs I've had had decent work/life balance with after-hours work only when essential.
He is listing it that way, now
If you hate it there, and you stay, it's your fault.
Reeeeeeeeeeeemail!
Kek
Im guessing the girl who posted that tik tok video isnt clicking the link hahahahaha
I’m pretty sure she was the first one canned.
wait.. no more red wine on tap? what about the iced matcha from the perch?
That video aged like a fine on-tap wine.
There is no doubt in my mind that they will be rewarded handsomely for bringing their own lunches and getting shit done.
The handful that stay will be happy. When twitter is turned around they'll be able to put on their resume that they were part of the turnaround and every company in America will know they are highly competent and hard working.
That, or, cancel culture will make all the leftechs who were fired not hire those who stay
Why would any leftist who is fired ever be in a position of power again? The "big" tech companies are shrinking and Leftists only survive in large companies.
...at another tech company
Only if it works out. Twitter may well not survive long enough to turn around.
He has a rep for working people into the ground. Personally, I'd pass.
At least he’s being upfront. I’ve been too many places that turn into “high intensity” as a default because the company sucks ass and won’t acknowledge what’s broken and then prioritize the right work. Software is full of sales and product people who only chase the shiny and lie to land big contracts then turn to Devs to say “hey man this is broken”. “Yeah no shit, what do you think we’ve been trying to tell you while you’re busy making up codenames and slide decks and lying about nonexistent features to land those deals”.
I've been inches away from strangling a sales guy because what he promised a customer would require us to break the gottverdamt laws of physics to do what he wanted. Fortunately our CEO was faster, and gave him such an epic tongue lashing the guy quit 4 days later.
You sound like my brother...
He's been ranting about the sales guys at work acting like that for like, 2 weeks now.
so did Steve Jobs
He was a talentless hack who couldn't even code and had to be talked out of some of the stupider ideas regarding iphones.
Yep, know people who have gone to SpaceX. They get worked like dogs with no life and all ended up getting burned out after two-three years.
Learn to mine coal
They are going the REEE so hard about having to do work. That is all those that haven’t been fired for being simply woke faggots.
Lol
Leftists are adverse to long work hours (especially when the work is difficult). Game journos love reporting on the "workplace conditions" at videogame companies, reporting on workers lamenting 60 hour work weeks and such.
Pay should be commensurate with long hours though. I did not see anything in there about pay raises. It is fair to refuse to work more for the same money.
It never is commensurate. It's also usually for something you hope you get ie: a dogshit title promotion. I work only for guaranteed return, not hopes an promises.
In the words of a very wise programmer: "Fuck you, pay me."
You pay talent, or you pay even more for not having any talent.
A job is a job, not a pyramid scheme where "you may eventually get rewarded with advancement if the company does better".
Seriously, everyone here acting like Twitter is a garage startup. No, it's a multi-billion-dollar company, it can afford to pay everyone what they deserve right now. If it doesn't, that's just Elon trying to put more profit into his own pocket.
It is an arm of the propaganda machine, just like all so called "social media."
I'd wait at least a year before deciding if this is a good or bad thing.
And if I really do have to work more hours cause you fired over 50% of the workforce? “Fuck you, pay me more now.”
I'm not a leftist. But I know that working longer hours in tech lowers code quality and productivity. It's also a risk for burn out. It's a recipe for disaster. I would quit. I rather make less money than ruin my health and my marriage. Fuck the "hard work" conservatives.
Capitalism has a way of weeding out incompetence. But it's tough explaining this to people who have never ran their own business or who don't have real skin in the proverbial game.
We don’t have capitalism or people would be getting paid more and working less if they wanted to.
"long hours at high intensity"
I don't know how this attitude is going to work out for him. IMO good / experienced software engineers have lives and have options and will leave. These are the most productive / talented. Hours past a certain point are no longer productive. People without options will stay, for now.
Butts-in-seats for X hours > results. That's most large companies, by the way.
The best paying jobs I've had were NOT like that, but they didn't tolerate non-performers... then they get bought out by large companies and push out all the true high-performers.
Honestly it reeks of desperation. It sends message that the only way the company will survive is if a skeleton crew works extra hard for a longer period of time for no extra money. The ones who may have a lot of leverage. it's also clear they aren't iring or backfilling. Who the hell is going to want to take a job there? Even in this shit job market, I can definitely find many jobs that don't publicly advertise "long, hard hours for no extra pay!" Honestly they sound kinda screwed.
Musk realized he already fired people he shouldn’t have and now is trying to fill in that gap with more time spent.
I would work 80+ hours a week for my own business, not for others. there is a limit.
"Working long hours at high intensity" - Look I hate the wokesters at twitter as much as anyone, but I wouldn't do that unless I was being rewarded appropriately for my effort.
I would absolutely work like a dog if my title were something like "Co-Founder" and I could expect to share in the spoils of my efforts, but "Hey, I want you to work 70 hours a week for the same salary you were pulling at 40 in the face of exploding inflation" would have me looking for a new job post haste
File this under fuck around and find out
I think it's elon that found out. Twitter will NEVER be worth 44b. Never. He thought he was the master troll in January and Agrawal totally bent him over for it. He's getting no sleep replaying how he got played by an immigrant.
He said up front very early he wasn't doing it for the money.
He can say whatever he wants. He paid 44 billion for a dogshit company.
Some people are paying hundreds of dollars for Taylor Swift tickets.
Elon isn't going to shake this one off.
At least it's going to go out like a Firework
And you can make fun of them both...
It’s just a little chat app. The service of keeping it running is the whole cost.
I doubt any of that is true.
None of us know how much it will be worth, but you know he didn't buy it expecting it to make his money back, right? He saw an untapped opportunity and bought it to advertise his services and sell other products. (like banking) He only needs to pay back the investment backers over time by staying in the black.
Also that's his original offer. How did he "got played"?
He wanted to withdraw his original offer when he looked over the numbers and realized he was over paying. And he couldn’t. This had a cost-benefit ratio that might not have been measured soley in dollars but he’s realized he can’t get exactly what he’d wanted to. Even moreso if he runs it into the ground, which by all accounts he’s doing.
Man. Almost makes you want to work for twitter. That sweet sweet overtime. Optimized work. Getting to harvest salty tears of libs when you are counteproductive to their echo chamber.
Anyone touching the code base is on salary, so overtime isn't a thing.
But, it will be a GOOD salary.
He didn’t say shit about raising pay for those who stay. That’s not an oversight.
And those who DO stay, should ask.
Reports are now that pretty much the entire payroll department resigned yesterday. That’s bad. Nobody’s getting raises in that case, when there’s not even anybody around to approve the current paychecks.
That one thing alone, can actually save a very significant amount of money. Believe it or not that’s easier to fix than you think. Especially with a private company
Would have to be like a million dollars a year to even come close to compensating you for the loss
"sweet overtime"? You realize these are salaried positions, right?
If only. Software development is almost always overtime exempt.
Hint: you're salaried. When salaried, I leave at 5, except in extreme occasions lasting not more than a few days.
He is gonna run Twitter like Space X.
I have a friend that worked for space x as a cnc machinist, They DEMANDED results. and they REWARDED with great pay, company stock and huge trust. As a machine operator, not a manager or anything, this guy had a 6 figure blanket PO for machines and tooling.
He could literally call HAAS and have another Mill or Lathe sent over without getting upper approval. As long as you were delivering parts in spec and schedule you were golden.
As a machinist looking to open my own shop, that would be quite the experience.
But Haas... C'mon, there are better machine tools than that!
Not dollar for dollar. And made right here in America.
When you need production you can have 5 haas machines for 1 Hermle or Doosan, or Mori...
Not everything is mold work tolerance, and even Haas has an answer for that anyway,
Don't get me wrong, I love Haas and what they're doing making CNC more accessible. I appreciate some of the "don't pay for what you don't need" stuff, but when it's things like HSM, or other codes/software things, it can be annoying. Especially when you add up everything, it becomes much more comparable to other machines, like doosan which includes all the features. I love the open information they provide, and I really wish the industry moved that direction.
My big gripe with them though, is the decrease in quality over the past few years. A place I worked at had 3 DT2 machines, and the way covers on all of them got loose and smacked the walls, and exposed some of the ball screws. And the machines were less than a year old.
Dang. Sounds like the "trust" here isn't exactly monetary, is it? Kinda jealous!
Yeah, this is very similar to what I have heard.
But you gotta admit the salt is nice.
Musk is literally making them opt in if they want to continue to work at Twitter. No more virtue signally for these idiots, from then on out they sign-up for it. If they want to virtue signal then don't opt-in. Now is their chance. You know these woke twitter idiots are making tic-tok videos on their decision.
Imagine the blue hairs getting in their tesla and driving to their workplace of twitter just fuming mad!
Yep, when I was younger and a coder we worked 10-12 hours a day and got nice bonuses and stock options. It’s a good deal.
Do you have a family now?
Would you rather see Elon for 12 hours per day or your family?
That thought is what is going to be going through the head of a lot of experienced people at twitter.
It's good that Elon is massacring the useless twits at Twitter. But making it a bitch to work there will never let him retain decent employees.
(For reference, I used to work 12 hour shifts 7 days per week during the holiday season when I was younger, and I don't ever want to do that anymore at this stage in my life.)
Oh yes definitely. I work in finance now and it’s 9-5.
i don't understand y he's taking it out on those who probably do real work either. I just hate the woke management. I honest never thought Twitter was slow or buggy.
Cause Elon is kinda a twat.
When you were younger you probably needed to work 10-12 hours to equal what you can do in 5-6 hours now. That was my experience at least.
Trump should do the same with GOP;)
Having the chance to work within engineering on twitter during the musk timeline would be the best thing for a resume.
Engineering a chat room?
I don't understand this because Twitter is the most reliable such service still. Most of the competition is laughable.
The rigged moderation is the only problem.
He was saying the other day that the code is horribly un-optimized and in some countries is taking >30 seconds to load the trending page.
Thanks
I love this. Leftists are NOT ambitious or hardcore workers. Only Conservatives with morals & values will stay. It's a brilliant move. They will eliminate themselves. Then he can start fresh with "His" people.
No. Conservatives have families. If I had to start working 65 hours a week I won’t be actually part of my family any more. My values are why I would leave.
He has to stop the bleeding an most of their cost is probably bloated staff figures. Hes gonna drop headcount to barebones like it should have been.
Learn to code. 90% of them probably don't.
the comments on that twitter thread are hilarious. these leftist faggots are so afraid of work. they can't see the forest through the trees and realize that they're getting two incredibly viable options set before them.
become part of a legitimate SaaS company and do something meaningful with your life
take a THREE MONTH severance and walk (that's really generous, and if you can't find a job in 3 months you're a retard)
these goddamn people...such babies. welcome to the real world
Can't wait to see what kind of mental gymnastics they're going to perform trying to claim they have a right to continue working for those 3 months, not just get paid, because now they can't sabotage the company.
It’s a start. All of it needs to be shut down.