Diehard Trump fan. I've had my comments removed multiple times on this site when I objectively called out political blunders that were made or distortions in the days prior to the 2020 election.
I really hate that. I go to YT for other videos, many educational to engage in discussions. It was so disheartening to write a well thought out response to the video to spark a discussion only to be shadow banned.
Youtube has gotten wicked bad, they delete dozens of comments and as of now most of them still show up in the counter (that we know of). It’s really unfortunate they just shadow ban millions of people and no one has a clue if your one of them or not, maybe they let 1 in 10 though so you think people can still see them. It should be a felony to silence people, especially to do it in a way that they believe they are not when in fact they are.
Imo we should push for legislation that makes all forms of unseen censorship illegal. Yeah you can ban people and whatnot on your websites, but you can’t deceive them about it so you can keep making money while they believe they have a voice.
The purchase price was $44 billion. He was lent money and he has other equity investors. No one knows who they are or what covenants on control Elon agreed to get their funding. I’m not convinced Elon actually fully controls Twitter.
He was able to Repel the Woke! I will take that. When the reality starts going in your favor it is time to be a bit happy, even if the exact mechanism is unknown.
Yeah you probably are. There's 3 categories of people in this matter. Those happy with the left's control over these platforms. Those that want a change aka beggars, myself included even tho I don't use them. And those actually changing things themselves like Trump, Torba, and even Elon by creating new platforms or changing existing ones.
So he’s a liar. Most CEOs are. I don’t like it. Not I’m not marrying my daughter off to the man. I’m cheering when he pisses off the left. He doesn’t need to pass some ideological purity test for that.
Where’s the proof there’s no reach? I just got back on and I’m arguing with liberals constantly. My tweets are definitely being seen. Why the attacks at this point? Elon is about to let back on hundreds of thousands, if not millions of more accounts. Millions of people are watching what would have been banned documentaries. Some people here have grown SO cynical it’s nauseating.
Why the hell are you expecting perfection? Especially from Musk? He's never been on the right, he still isn't. He's just independent of the globalist puppets who make up the rest of the left, and values free speech. It's not better for Alex Jones, but it's better for damn near everyone else, and that is better overall.
I'm pointing out a continuation of leftist tyranny.
Many, like you, are reacting under Stockholm Syndrome. He's still actively censoring right wing speech, but he's making a show of not censoring some right wing speech, so you think it's terrific.
Too much Nirvana Fallacy going on, "if we don't achieve absolute 100% victory it's pointless." But that's not how the neoliberal monsters win. They win by death of a thousand cuts and shifting the Overton Window one millimeter at a time over years.
It's how gun control came to America. First big step was the Sullivan Act in New York in 1911. Twenty years later after the idea of applying for a permit to own a gun was normalized, the National Firearms Act was passed in 1934, putting all those evil fully-automatics out of range of the average citizen and introducing a truckload of necessary paperwork to own a damn muffler a.k.a. "silencer" for your guns and putting an arbitrary 16-inch minimum barrel length on rifles and shotguns or else you're a criminal.
34 years later, after this is normalized, the Gun Control Act of 1968 is passed. Now you can no longer order guns through the mail delivered to your home, everyone selling guns needs to get a Federal Firearms License, and tons of small cheap pistols are banned from import because of an arbitrary "points" system (which is why the Glock 25 and 28 pistols were never sold in the USA, and another big example was the original Walther PPK; they had to redesign the firearm as the PPK/S with a longer grip to make it legal for import).
18 years later, the Hughes Amendment is passed in 1986 which completely closed off the fully-automatic firearms market by making it illegal for the average citizen to own any full-auto gun manufactured after May 19, 1986 even if he had filled out all the necessary paperwork under the rules of the 1934 NFA. After all ownership of full-autos had become taboo thanks to 52 years of history.
The 1994 crime bill gave America its first taste of a national "assault weapons ban" for ten years until it expired in September 2004. One of the only things I will give George W. Bush credit for, he did not renew the ban because it would have been political suicide for him only two months before the 2004 election, which he barely squeaked by with a 51-48% victory against John Kerry.
No it isn't. You think it's an improvement because YOU aren't banned. Alex Jones is. You don't mind as long as it's someone else who doesn't have free speech, someone else censored, someone else taken on ze train to ze camp.
Elon was very open about meeting with these censor groups, and said that they had come to an agreement on moderation that would allow him to rebuild Twitter while they stopped pressuring his advertisers to pull out.
They of course immediately broke that agreement, so he told them to go fuck themselves and started unbanning all the people they don’t like.
So while this meme may have at one time been true, a lot has changed even in the past couple of weeks.
Exactly. He said they were secretly pressuring advertisers to leave anyway, despite his agreement.
$8/person to be a power user is a better deal.
Twitter is massive, and according to a lot of his terminations, Twitter has goofing off about improving the site/app for countries like India and Brazil with many millions of users, so there's revenue from those countries too, where Globaloney is less powerful
He's "perfectly possessed." Father Malachi Martin talked about that sort of thing on the Art Bell show. Soros has a major demon on board and he's happy with it.
But linking a 2 page manifesto by Torba isn’t really what this site is about.
I mean it sure does seem like Torba funds the site given the kind of coverage he gets here.
But if that’s the case I think it’s about time to come clean rather than pretend like the intrinsic support for Torba here all the time is actually organic.
Edit: Massive downvotes really proving my point for me. First 2 page manifesto in PDW history to get more upvotes than downvotes. I’m sure that’s because Torba is so well spoken and makes coherent points that everyone actually read.
So you don’t think Torba has anything to say about free speech, considering the battle Gab has been through to exist? He’s just another guy saying words?
"Paid Gab Users who got doxed due to shit security and complained"
"Smart Gab Users who offer functional alternatives to his Team's incompetent code"
"Anybody who pisses off Torba, at his whim"
Yet the Great Torba Trantrum has the balls to criticize other sites for not supporting Free Speech, like Gettr, Truth, etc. --- while his own TOS allows Gab to boot users for ANY reason.
Torba has slammed Trump, DeSantis, and many others repeatedly. He isn't MAGA.
This is a platform for political commentary. When things get upvotes they move up when sorted by "hot". Dont like it? Start your own social media faggot.
That’s not at all what I meant. But if you want to purposefully misrepresent what I said in order to try and defend a desperate loser then please keep doing that.
Fuck out of here. You clearly do not want this short essay which you deem a "2 page manifesto" to be on here. Youre entitled to your opinion that it doesnt belong here, even though youre wrong, but this post has 1400 upvotes. There are people here that were happy to read it. You seem like a muskrat and youre asshurt that some of us arent falling for that limp wristed faggot. I dont know torba i just know musk is a faggot and so are you.
So, because somebody articulates their thoughts in more than a tweet, it's a "manifesto"? That's no different than the left labeling things "disinformation" or "election denial" or any other loaded buzzword. He gave his thoughts. No more, no less.
When you’re shook in the head, desperate, and throw every principled narrative you have into a lengthy and rambling narrative that’s what qualifies it as a manifesto.
He’s desperate to compete with the new twitter which is run by another egotist and is getting desperate. It’s that simple.
In what circumstances would this site NOT be a relevant platform? We SHARE links to intelligent explanations of important perspectives. I have limited time to conduct blind research.
If I do not want to read Torba's viewpoint, I'm a simple click away from the next interesting topic.
I don't downvote, but I recommend some inward evaluation about your attempt to define "what this site is about."
Here’s an idea. If someone wants to post a useless manifesto. I’m fully entitled to post my own opinion.
Shocking.
It’s not a relevant platform for Torba nor is it a relevant platform for a desperate 2 page manifesto in which he battles with another egotistical idiot in Elon Musk. I’m entirely right in saying that and calling out the uselessness of this post.
How about that Donald Trump that you’re not at all interested in talking about.
Yes, you are fully entitled to post your opinion. I did not see one comment saying you couldn't. You got grief for your comment. That is free speech.
The OP was "useless" to you. I do not wander into Gab that much, so it was a convenient post that fully described an individual who has fought / is fighting a tremendous battle for free speech.
"How about that Donald Trump that you’re not at all interested in talking about"
I respond to one comment, and that is your conclusion? Is your stance that ANY discussion of anything that does not mention Trump is out-of-bounds?
Where does the money to keep Gab afloat come from?
Advertisers and user subscriptions. He has developed a payment processor and has an online marketplace, so he probably charges fees for those services too.
Freedom of reach is the principal part of freedom of speech. See the printing press, pamphlets, and handbills of the American Revolution. That's kind of like the 2A without public carry.
Everyone is getting unbanned, the meme war is back on, and people are bitching that Elon is trying to keep Twitter on the iOS / Android app stores by pretending to care about what the left wants censored.
Come the fuck onnnnnnn.
I wonder what we'll bitch about when Alex Jones gets unbanned too.
Meanwhile the other side goes full Caesar and sends in a disgraced hack "special counsel" with a naked political purpose, while lying on an official transcript about what their guy said and what everyone heard. They couldn't care less about purity. The aim is always to Win, no matter how big or small.
Some people on here think that anything that doesn’t go 100% the way they want is a loss. Its a losing mindset, they don’t live in reality, just mouthy idealists who don’t understand that life is always about compromising in some fashion, always has been.
Elon buying Twitter is definitely a win, is it perfect? Nope, but is it massively better than it was? Yes, for sure. People, and Torba himself, conveniently ignore how Truth Social has the same kinds of restrictions on “hate speech” as the rest, but he didn’t mention it because he is afraid to anger the MAGA base that makes up his users. Torba can also run his mouth because he doesn’t have much to lose, its not like Gab is actually a popular social media site/service compared to the big players.
That's what "pro gun" politicians have been telling us for 30 years. Shall not be infringed is still not even a phrase of art any of them are willing to say in public.
No one is perfect. The AI stuff is creepy, though. At least Torba has morals & is a Christian. What is Elon? What does he believe in? Is he an Atheist??
Yeah but Musk didn't unban Alex Jones so everything about Twitter is actually terrible, the worst it's been in decades if not centuries, and so you must be downvoted into oblivion.
Have you seen the prayer thread post that shows up ever day in this website, where a guy asks for prayers for himself?
I think he's crazy. Pretty sure it goes against this board's rules and I think he should be told to stop with that. But I don't think it goes against free speech when he does that. I don't think he should be banned because he's crazy either. 100% would block him if he gained any relevance though.
I really doubt that's the only thing you could say to get your reach throttled. Talking about stolen elections or pizzagate will probably keep you out of sight of normies too.
Yeah he showed his true colors about a year ago when Truth Social was announced. I don't expect him to cheer on competition but he claimed to be a Trump supporter. Clearly he was only marketing himself and his business with that feigned support for Trump because he turned into Mr. Hyde when Truth Social popped up.
Right, if he was really about alternative economies and free speech, he'd realize that a nation of 300M+ people, much less a world with billions, could support multiple outlets.
But he's about running a honeypot/Dosomething site. That also doesn't have absolute free speech.
It's easy to criticize Elon Musk when you don't have to weigh the decisions to bring the website back from where it has been for so many years while trying to make it successful. I think Elon Musk is doing so much more to restore freedom of speech in this country, far more than the people criticizing him.
Sounds a lot like gun control in a state like Texas. The "pro gun" politicians appease gun control's loudest, most politically active, and most powerful pro-gun opponents. Thirty years later, "shall not be infringed" is still not even on the negotiating table. They continue to fight against us every step of the way with every ounce of political power they can muster. I don't care about Elon's $44Billion. I'd rather see Twitter burn to the ground, leaving room for other trees to sprout and grow in it's place.
Except, in your analogy, only the left was allowed to own guns and now he's making sure the vast majority of the right can now own guns too.
It may not be everyone, and it may still be more restrictive than you care for, but he's actually moving the Overton window back towards the right. He's not simply allowing it to slip further left.
My analogy was related to the 1995 concealed carry law and incremental laws since. No it wasn't that our political opponents got to carry, and then we did too. I agree. However, in 2008 when I got my CCW, I realized I could carry, but my wife couldn't. She wouldn't jump through the unconstitutional hoops to get it. Couldn't leave a gun in the car at work. Couldn't get over the fear of all the unconstitutional legal gotcha's that could get her in trouble, etc. etc.
So agree in part, disagree in part. The ccw law and incremental laws over the last 25+ years were better than 140 years of the total ban. But if I could have burned down the GOP political party in 1995, if I could do that now, why would I settle for that? Why should we defend the politicians when Texas 46.02 is still on the books? Why defend Musk on the same reasoning?
a) because every time someone accuses Elon of being compromised, he turns out not to be. He keeps moving the window to the right. There's no ADL on his advisory council, no advisory council at all anymore, etc, etc.
b) failure to understand that not everything can happen at once does not mean, nor even imply, that things will not eventually happen. You don't fight every battle in the war all at once. Ground must be taken, positions consolidated, logistics maneuvered.
c) because you don't have the option of burning down the GOP in 1995, nor overturning gun bans right now, nor having a better alternative than Musk. If you want truly free speech online, Gab is it. It is the ONLY option. Truth Social certainly doesn't allow truly free speech. Anything Google or Apple classify as hate speech is absolutely banned on Truth Social, and actively enforced too. That appears to no longer be the case on Twitter, which may make it even more free than Truth Social. This should be supported.
In theory, now apply that to a platform like Twitter that has had a decade of rules and regulations governing it. Elon is doing the right thing slowly rolling back restrictions and restoring people's voices. He even expressed that if Apple and Google see these moves he is making as a threat and removes Twitter from the app stores that he might be willing to develop his own phone and store so that he doesn't have to compromise in order to have that type of presence. He even has Starlink and doesn't need telecoms.
No, that's one exception where I think Elon is letting his emotions cloud his judgement but who am I to judge someone's experience dealing with the situation he had to. Did you read his explanation for banning Alex Jones? By the way, are you certain that Alex Jones won't have his account reactivated in the general account amnesty that Elon Musk is blanket granting to all users next week?
Seriously, the man put billions, he would like to at least break even. If he backs off on Jones for a bit, it's understandable.
He's putting his money where his mouth is, but people are complaining he isn't directly assaulting the Globalist Pillbox across 50 meters of open terrain. Give him a chance.
You're retarded for thinking that labeling him a "WEF stooge" means everything he does is bad or part or some sort of evil plot against you. What are you, a 12-year old that daddy gave access to the Internet?
The vast share of Elon’s money has come through government contracts. The media have promoted him as an iron man like genius figure for decades now, since the 90s. He got a banking charter as a twenty something grad school drop out. He’s a member of the ruling class plain and simple, and whatever he’s doing with Twitter benefits the ruling class
He’s a member of the ruling class plain and simple
I think most people understand that. That doesn't mean he necessarily has bad intentions. All revolutions and shifts of power in the world are instigated by elites fighting other elites, and are often decided by how successful they are at gaining support or manufacturing consent for their cause. Don't trust him, but if we can get elites to do what we want, we should take that as a win.
How does him giving a voice to people who were silenced online benefit the ruling class? I believe he truly thinks he's doing good on a platform he has always loved using, and now owns. He doesn't need Twitter to make him money for him to be wealthy and he is taking a lot of shit for restoring conservatives to Twitter -- especially Trump. Antifa is threatening to attack Tesla locations over Elon suspending their accounts where they promote violence...again, a risk Elon could easily avoid by not doing something and responsible and (I think) good with Twitter. How does that benefit the ruling class?
No, the vast share of one of Elon's companies' money comes from government contracts. Elon's money comes from windfalls gained from revolutionary ideas and achievements realized, sold, and then appreciation and gains from stock and investing in those companies.
All gov't contract awards and subsidies from all of Elon's companies together, lifetime, equal less than 5% of Elon's wealth. He's not getting rich off of the government.
Everything was good for the mouse that fateful Wednesday morn. He saw a piece of cheese just sitting there where he always strolled. But when he went to eat it, something clicked, and his back was broken before he could finish blinking.
He's trying to say that Elon is a globalist WEF stooge who looks like free cheese to us stupid mice, but we're going to get caught in a mouse trap and killed.
Ditto. Free speech is worthless if there is no one on the platform listening. Whether that be due to the platform's policies, or that people don't want to use a fringe app, the effect is the same.
But at least the people have the choice not to use Gab or, if they're on the platform (I am not), they choose who to block and who to follow.
Torba's analogies of Jesus and Socrates are apt ones. I'd like to think Jesus would reject social media but the powers that be would probably refuse to allow others to share videos of His Preaching due to it "causing harm."
Mentions of Jesus or Christianity would’ve been banned. A smear campaign against Christians would’ve made them seem like the proud boys to the average citizen.
And the elder’s voices would’ve been magnified no matter what lies they spouted. Freedom of reach for them. Not for the little guys.
Yes. They've also offered constructive criticism, or been paid users whos information at Gab was hacked --- they've been booted from Gab with or without snark from Torba Tantrum.
You can love or hate Torba, but you really should read what he wrote here. He’s completely correct.
I’m keeping an open mind about Musk, and I’m taking any and all wins that he’s delivering. That being said, I’m not fooling myself into believing he’s on our side. I think this is the right position to take right now.
People forget that winning is not a black and white situation. There are many shades of gray in there. Elon musk is not perfect but he is one of the shades of gray headed towards winning. It’s not ideal and it’s not exactly what we want, but things could definitely be a lot worse.
You MUST allow ALL points of view to reach everyone. THE ONLY WAY for social media to work is that the USER self-censors, NOT the platform. If you don't want to see something, you have to block it yourself, no you can't have it blocked for you and you can't have the platform intervene and block it for everyone else
And usually more "hate" you add your comments, less popular they come. Like in here, cream (good comments) rises to the top and that one outburst that msm citades falls into bottom. You decide what you want to read twice.
And didn't Catboi Fuentes leave Gab over lack of engagement or something?
Torba bans people on an arbitrary whim, like a crazy tyrant, over what they SAY.
He bans people who make constructive criticism over Gab Security Flaws and potential improvements that hurt his Fee Fees. Some Free Speech, not to mention bad management.
Right, and after they were stunned that Leftist Anarchist Hackers stole ALL their personal info from Gab as paid users... he called them cowards and to buck up.
Gab definitely shouldn't start a bank. "Yeah, we had shit security and all the vaults were robbed and all your silver coins, stamps, and title deeds were stolen, but don't be such a pussy, support a based bank like mine"
Torba sure loves hopping on that hot take bandwagon. Elon isn't perfect and I don't agree with some of his policy changes but things are continuing to evolve for the better at twitter. Unless Torba has some examples he can link of shadow banned comments I'm just gonna say that is doing his usual attention grabbing by dragging his soap box over to the next most popular topic and making preachy comments about it.
He's not wrong. However, people like me, an average Joe, never had reach on twitter anyway. The only thing I am celebrating is the return of Trump's account. The ability to share his prior tweets and videos, and statements made on other platforms outside of twitter, this is a win, because they cancelled him and cancelled us. I agree that Twitter is not a free speech platform and likely never will be, but I'll take the small wins. I don't really use social media. I made an account on Truth, still haven't figured out how to read comments on Trump's Truths, /sigh. Social media and limited character use isn't my cup of tea, sharing memes was all I did on twitter. I'm a forum girl and love the Donald. MAGA
Besides this being cringe. There's always a main platform and Gab ain't it. It's Twitter. Twitter is like Microsoft and Gab isn't even Linux, it's like some BSD distro. It's good that those other platforms exist, but they ain't going to go mainstream. It's the whole reason Elon bought Twitter instead of making his own platform. The only small point this post made was to reiterate freedom of reach in the small chance Elon might happen to read it.
Sure it is still a problem, but there is a huge difference though between Elons "freedom of Reach" and Others. Others say that to mean they should be allowed to crush your reach not just for some but for everything you say. Elons way is to allow it but not force it onto others. It still will be there, it still will have reach, but it won't be shoved down peoples throats by Twitter. It is not the same policy by far, it is radically better than before even if it is not perfect.
I sense envy, fear, and braggadocios from Torba. Torba's statement has some points, but one major problem with his post is that it ultimately leads to an absolute singular way of life in society, instead of a simple free speech society where people can make their own choices in life. In the meantime, the FBI plays Gab like a fiddle while Torba says Jesus is King.
Torba lets you say. Huge numbers of network surveillance points, very few situations where people can be fairly frank and it's not always the appropriate forum. I think Mike Lindell has the much more forthright approach: Things can be made to happen by human action on a very quick basis if people are likely to uphold their responsibilities.
But wonder not if you harbor some illusions as to the inevitability that what's repeated most is actually what most affects human behavior.
Some people are SUPER angry about Elon Musk buying Twitter. But several good things have happened! TheNoticing is still usable/searchable as a hash tag, Donald Trump's account has been reinstated, much child porn has been blocked . . .
Fuck Torba, the faggot who doxxes his users to the FBI with a simple email, no subpoena necessary this faggot will run to turn you in. I hope he burns in fucking hell like the grifting piece of shit he is.
Appreciate what has happened with Elon buying Twitter, but don't hold people as idols. Always understand that games are being played.
A thought occurred to me with Elon buying Twitter. What if someone asked him to buy it? What if certain people realized the US and societies in general were falling apart, and they realized that something could be done by getting him to buy Twitter?
The reality?
Musk owns Neuralink, is deep in AI, and now has access to unlimited communications from people, which may in the near future all be funneled through his Starlink system.
My freedom of speech does not = my right to be heard.
With respect to Mr. Torba, it was not the numbers of listeners of Jesus, but the resonant and Truth of the message that Jesus provided to the flock...He drew into the sand, and spoke a different message of explanation to His disciples than to His followers. Truth trumps propaganda...sometimes it takes two thousand years to ram through the mental barricades constructed by the older sheeple.
i've been calling people retards on youtube for years
no one sees my comments anymore, ever
so the retarded people never learn. it's sad
"We aren't censoring you, we're just censoring you"
Censoring on patriots.win too. *Updoot if you agree.
Diehard Trump fan. I've had my comments removed multiple times on this site when I objectively called out political blunders that were made or distortions in the days prior to the 2020 election.
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I really hate that. I go to YT for other videos, many educational to engage in discussions. It was so disheartening to write a well thought out response to the video to spark a discussion only to be shadow banned.
They not only shadow ban but they monkey with likes and dislike on comments for influence control.
My comments get deboosted by YouTube so they can only be seen if you sort by New.
Other comments are shadow banned outright.
Someone could build a separate tweet viewer not on twitter using whatever algorithm they wanted.
The “reach “ problem could be solved outside twitter.
Youtube has gotten wicked bad, they delete dozens of comments and as of now most of them still show up in the counter (that we know of). It’s really unfortunate they just shadow ban millions of people and no one has a clue if your one of them or not, maybe they let 1 in 10 though so you think people can still see them. It should be a felony to silence people, especially to do it in a way that they believe they are not when in fact they are.
Imo we should push for legislation that makes all forms of unseen censorship illegal. Yeah you can ban people and whatnot on your websites, but you can’t deceive them about it so you can keep making money while they believe they have a voice.
A good way to test if YouTube shadow banned your comment is to sign out and look for your comment. If you don’t see it then no one else can publicly.
The purchase price was $44 billion. He was lent money and he has other equity investors. No one knows who they are or what covenants on control Elon agreed to get their funding. I’m not convinced Elon actually fully controls Twitter.
He was able to Repel the Woke! I will take that. When the reality starts going in your favor it is time to be a bit happy, even if the exact mechanism is unknown.
That's how mice get murdered in traps.
Some us aren't beggars.
Yeah you probably are. There's 3 categories of people in this matter. Those happy with the left's control over these platforms. Those that want a change aka beggars, myself included even tho I don't use them. And those actually changing things themselves like Trump, Torba, and even Elon by creating new platforms or changing existing ones.
Your premise is flawed.
Your categorization clumsily omits people who abide by principles and strive to change their world for the better IRL.
So you don't want to see a change in these platforms?
You sound like Cathy Newman.
Expect true change to come from peoples' hearts and minds, not the caprices of billionaire overseers.
I am visiting an area with no sales tax on food.
My total was $4.99. I gave them $5 and was happy for a little change not that I would beg for it.
So I guess I am in categories #1 and #2.
If the pennies add up I could eventually be #3. kek
No, some are schnorrers
"It's your honor to grovel before me, if you don't, you suck"
CCP money
Oh fuck off. Elon Musk buying Twitter is an unprecedented W for free speech, even if he doesn't bring AJ back.
There is no free speech without reach. It's almost as if you didn't read the article. It's a bait and switch.
Elon Musk isn’t one of us. He’s not MAGA, and not a free speech absolutist. I wish he was.
That said, his ownership of Twitter is an improvement.
Elon literally said, "I'm a free speech absolutist."
Of course he's not acting like it now but he made the claim in the first place.
So he’s a liar. Most CEOs are. I don’t like it. Not I’m not marrying my daughter off to the man. I’m cheering when he pisses off the left. He doesn’t need to pass some ideological purity test for that.
Where’s the proof there’s no reach? I just got back on and I’m arguing with liberals constantly. My tweets are definitely being seen. Why the attacks at this point? Elon is about to let back on hundreds of thousands, if not millions of more accounts. Millions of people are watching what would have been banned documentaries. Some people here have grown SO cynical it’s nauseating.
Agreed, it's way better than it was.
Is it better for Alex Jones? If one person is censored, then there is no free speech.
Why the hell are you expecting perfection? Especially from Musk? He's never been on the right, he still isn't. He's just independent of the globalist puppets who make up the rest of the left, and values free speech. It's not better for Alex Jones, but it's better for damn near everyone else, and that is better overall.
I'm pointing out a continuation of leftist tyranny.
Many, like you, are reacting under Stockholm Syndrome. He's still actively censoring right wing speech, but he's making a show of not censoring some right wing speech, so you think it's terrific.
Right.
Too much Nirvana Fallacy going on, "if we don't achieve absolute 100% victory it's pointless." But that's not how the neoliberal monsters win. They win by death of a thousand cuts and shifting the Overton Window one millimeter at a time over years.
It's how gun control came to America. First big step was the Sullivan Act in New York in 1911. Twenty years later after the idea of applying for a permit to own a gun was normalized, the National Firearms Act was passed in 1934, putting all those evil fully-automatics out of range of the average citizen and introducing a truckload of necessary paperwork to own a damn muffler a.k.a. "silencer" for your guns and putting an arbitrary 16-inch minimum barrel length on rifles and shotguns or else you're a criminal.
34 years later, after this is normalized, the Gun Control Act of 1968 is passed. Now you can no longer order guns through the mail delivered to your home, everyone selling guns needs to get a Federal Firearms License, and tons of small cheap pistols are banned from import because of an arbitrary "points" system (which is why the Glock 25 and 28 pistols were never sold in the USA, and another big example was the original Walther PPK; they had to redesign the firearm as the PPK/S with a longer grip to make it legal for import).
18 years later, the Hughes Amendment is passed in 1986 which completely closed off the fully-automatic firearms market by making it illegal for the average citizen to own any full-auto gun manufactured after May 19, 1986 even if he had filled out all the necessary paperwork under the rules of the 1934 NFA. After all ownership of full-autos had become taboo thanks to 52 years of history.
The 1994 crime bill gave America its first taste of a national "assault weapons ban" for ten years until it expired in September 2004. One of the only things I will give George W. Bush credit for, he did not renew the ban because it would have been political suicide for him only two months before the 2004 election, which he barely squeaked by with a 51-48% victory against John Kerry.
Tiwtter has more reach than Gab, no?
Disagree. You can shout whatever nonsense you want but you can't force people to listen.
That's not what that means. Preventing anyone from hearing me is not the same as forcing them to listen to me.
But others can force others not to listen? that's fine with you?
Don't misrepresent the situation with disingenuous garbage
How the fuck did you come up with that? That's not even close to what I said. Don't misrepresent what I said with disengenuous garbage.
It's not completely free, but definitely an improvement.
No it isn't. You think it's an improvement because YOU aren't banned. Alex Jones is. You don't mind as long as it's someone else who doesn't have free speech, someone else censored, someone else taken on ze train to ze camp.
It may or may not be. Musk said it himself: he's going to use algorithms to reduce the influence of some people.
He said it himself.
This could easily be a trick by globalists.
Not everything is a conspiracy. "The globalists" would have certainly preferred Twitter remain under their prior control.
Elon was very open about meeting with these censor groups, and said that they had come to an agreement on moderation that would allow him to rebuild Twitter while they stopped pressuring his advertisers to pull out.
They of course immediately broke that agreement, so he told them to go fuck themselves and started unbanning all the people they don’t like.
So while this meme may have at one time been true, a lot has changed even in the past couple of weeks.
Exactly. He said they were secretly pressuring advertisers to leave anyway, despite his agreement.
$8/person to be a power user is a better deal.
Twitter is massive, and according to a lot of his terminations, Twitter has goofing off about improving the site/app for countries like India and Brazil with many millions of users, so there's revenue from those countries too, where Globaloney is less powerful
How is replacing bans with shadowbans a win for anyone but the censors?
username does NOT check out
Same
Leftists are all immortal, moralizers. They see themselves as good and rationalize from there. Elon is godless, he has no moral basis.
What does Elon believe in? Is he an all out Atheist??
he recently quoted the scripture in regards to harming children, so he must have some kind of moral belief
I hope so, but the whole AI thing is pretty Evil.
He's a transhumanist
So, that's a yes? 🤔
Soros: Online Trump Supporters Will Be Entirely ‘Silenced’ By 2020
(Google buried this story, hard.)
Thank you. I just saved it as well I appreciate you.
He is pure EVIL (Soros).
He's "perfectly possessed." Father Malachi Martin talked about that sort of thing on the Art Bell show. Soros has a major demon on board and he's happy with it.
If you scroll down the comments...looks like posting this really flushed out the feds...
I’m as anti-fed as they come.
But linking a 2 page manifesto by Torba isn’t really what this site is about.
I mean it sure does seem like Torba funds the site given the kind of coverage he gets here.
But if that’s the case I think it’s about time to come clean rather than pretend like the intrinsic support for Torba here all the time is actually organic.
Edit: Massive downvotes really proving my point for me. First 2 page manifesto in PDW history to get more upvotes than downvotes. I’m sure that’s because Torba is so well spoken and makes coherent points that everyone actually read.
So you don’t think Torba has anything to say about free speech, considering the battle Gab has been through to exist? He’s just another guy saying words?
Torba doesn't have absolute free speech on his platform, either.
Pot - or black bag - meet Kettle
He doesn’t allow porn you disingenuous twat. Explained to me how banning some slut getting double teamed is preventing the free expression of ideas.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, Brigadier.
"Nihilist Pagans"
"Paid Gab Users who got doxed due to shit security and complained"
"Smart Gab Users who offer functional alternatives to his Team's incompetent code"
"Anybody who pisses off Torba, at his whim"
Yet the Great Torba Trantrum has the balls to criticize other sites for not supporting Free Speech, like Gettr, Truth, etc. --- while his own TOS allows Gab to boot users for ANY reason.
Torba has slammed Trump, DeSantis, and many others repeatedly. He isn't MAGA.
Go on the privacy win. Check the mod list and get back to me ass about who a brigadier.
Is this the platform for a 2 page manifesto? Or do you lack the ability to both read and understand what I’m saying?
This is a platform for political commentary. When things get upvotes they move up when sorted by "hot". Dont like it? Start your own social media faggot.
That’s not at all what I meant. But if you want to purposefully misrepresent what I said in order to try and defend a desperate loser then please keep doing that.
Fuck out of here. You clearly do not want this short essay which you deem a "2 page manifesto" to be on here. Youre entitled to your opinion that it doesnt belong here, even though youre wrong, but this post has 1400 upvotes. There are people here that were happy to read it. You seem like a muskrat and youre asshurt that some of us arent falling for that limp wristed faggot. I dont know torba i just know musk is a faggot and so are you.
Saying this platform is for free speech, but not 2 page manifestos would be ironic.
This website is for posting whatever you want. Will people read it and like it? Maybe yes, maybe no. Let the people decide.
Stop trying to police us and tell us what to like.
I hate people like you.
I have definitely NEVER stated this is a free speech platform nor did I represent it as such.
It’s definitely not.
If that’s what you think I meant you got problems.
Context clues.
So, because somebody articulates their thoughts in more than a tweet, it's a "manifesto"? That's no different than the left labeling things "disinformation" or "election denial" or any other loaded buzzword. He gave his thoughts. No more, no less.
Nah.
When you’re shook in the head, desperate, and throw every principled narrative you have into a lengthy and rambling narrative that’s what qualifies it as a manifesto.
He’s desperate to compete with the new twitter which is run by another egotist and is getting desperate. It’s that simple.
When it's talking about fairy tale creatures like vampires, sure.
In what circumstances would this site NOT be a relevant platform? We SHARE links to intelligent explanations of important perspectives. I have limited time to conduct blind research.
If I do not want to read Torba's viewpoint, I'm a simple click away from the next interesting topic.
I don't downvote, but I recommend some inward evaluation about your attempt to define "what this site is about."
Here’s an idea. If someone wants to post a useless manifesto. I’m fully entitled to post my own opinion.
Shocking.
It’s not a relevant platform for Torba nor is it a relevant platform for a desperate 2 page manifesto in which he battles with another egotistical idiot in Elon Musk. I’m entirely right in saying that and calling out the uselessness of this post.
How about that Donald Trump that you’re not at all interested in talking about.
Yes, you are fully entitled to post your opinion. I did not see one comment saying you couldn't. You got grief for your comment. That is free speech.
The OP was "useless" to you. I do not wander into Gab that much, so it was a convenient post that fully described an individual who has fought / is fighting a tremendous battle for free speech.
"How about that Donald Trump that you’re not at all interested in talking about"
I respond to one comment, and that is your conclusion? Is your stance that ANY discussion of anything that does not mention Trump is out-of-bounds?
You glow. He doesn't make enough money from Gab for that and you know it
Exactly. And his parents went bankrupt a few years ago and were just delivery drivers, so they aren't funding him.
Torba had cash thrown at him when he was a PHILOSOPHY (Not IT) major at his Jesuit College for scholarships and startups.
Other sites like Voat got millions for investors and went under in a few years.
Where does the money to keep Gab afloat come from?
Advertisers and user subscriptions. He has developed a payment processor and has an online marketplace, so he probably charges fees for those services too.
Nope. Not enough.
Did you know 45% of Gab traffic comes from Guatemala and it's 100% Smartphone based?
Apparently Guatemalans are very into Gab services and advertisers.
Yeah. Talking about gab of all things makes me glow. 👌
I generally hate walls of text, but I read this one.
Sometimes, a wall of text is the only way to go about it.
I'm an anti-Fed Fed. I think ignoring the leading figure of true free speech is smrrt.
Yeah this site is about screenshots of snarky tweets.
I was wondering was feeedom of reach meant. Powerful text.
Freedom of reach is the principal part of freedom of speech. See the printing press, pamphlets, and handbills of the American Revolution. That's kind of like the 2A without public carry.
Yeah cool, but I didn't see Andrew Torba buying Twitter and unbanning everyone.
Can we stop bitching and take the W ???
We fucking won here.
Or are you still so used to fucking losing since 2020 that you have PTSD from it and forgot what winning looks like?
Exactly. Can't we celebrated something "good"? We will only accept "perfection"? We who support Donald Trump? The hypocrisy astounds me.
Not only good, this is fucking monumental.
Everyone is getting unbanned, the meme war is back on, and people are bitching that Elon is trying to keep Twitter on the iOS / Android app stores by pretending to care about what the left wants censored.
Come the fuck onnnnnnn.
I wonder what we'll bitch about when Alex Jones gets unbanned too.
We're such whiners...
People that don't know how to take a W when it's handed to them are losers who will never get anywhere in life.
Meanwhile the other side goes full Caesar and sends in a disgraced hack "special counsel" with a naked political purpose, while lying on an official transcript about what their guy said and what everyone heard. They couldn't care less about purity. The aim is always to Win, no matter how big or small.
Some people on here think that anything that doesn’t go 100% the way they want is a loss. Its a losing mindset, they don’t live in reality, just mouthy idealists who don’t understand that life is always about compromising in some fashion, always has been.
Elon buying Twitter is definitely a win, is it perfect? Nope, but is it massively better than it was? Yes, for sure. People, and Torba himself, conveniently ignore how Truth Social has the same kinds of restrictions on “hate speech” as the rest, but he didn’t mention it because he is afraid to anger the MAGA base that makes up his users. Torba can also run his mouth because he doesn’t have much to lose, its not like Gab is actually a popular social media site/service compared to the big players.
That's what "pro gun" politicians have been telling us for 30 years. Shall not be infringed is still not even a phrase of art any of them are willing to say in public.
No one is perfect. The AI stuff is creepy, though. At least Torba has morals & is a Christian. What is Elon? What does he believe in? Is he an Atheist??
Probably? I feel like someone who believes in God wouldn't try to create something so unnatural.
The same way the mouse celebrated when he saw the cheese. He didn't realize it was trapped.
Yeah but Musk didn't unban Alex Jones so everything about Twitter is actually terrible, the worst it's been in decades if not centuries, and so you must be downvoted into oblivion.
Why do y’all suck AJ dick so hard? That dude might be right about some stuff but he is fucking crazy
Then just block him?
Have you seen the prayer thread post that shows up ever day in this website, where a guy asks for prayers for himself?
I think he's crazy. Pretty sure it goes against this board's rules and I think he should be told to stop with that. But I don't think it goes against free speech when he does that. I don't think he should be banned because he's crazy either. 100% would block him if he gained any relevance though.
Feds and their Useful I's ... Have to always Demoralize.
You need to read more on that idea of freedom of reach. Unbanning us but keeping others from seeing our posts isn't a win.
Exactly
im pretty sure it'snot YOU he's talking about, unless you make posts about wanting to gas jews etc
I really doubt that's the only thing you could say to get your reach throttled. Talking about stolen elections or pizzagate will probably keep you out of sight of normies too.
considering elon himself has written about the shady elections, I wouldnt think so.
Kind of like the 2A without public carry.
Yeah he showed his true colors about a year ago when Truth Social was announced. I don't expect him to cheer on competition but he claimed to be a Trump supporter. Clearly he was only marketing himself and his business with that feigned support for Trump because he turned into Mr. Hyde when Truth Social popped up.
Right, if he was really about alternative economies and free speech, he'd realize that a nation of 300M+ people, much less a world with billions, could support multiple outlets.
But he's about running a honeypot/Dosomething site. That also doesn't have absolute free speech.
exactly. torba is a two faced whiny bitch
It's easy to criticize Elon Musk when you don't have to weigh the decisions to bring the website back from where it has been for so many years while trying to make it successful. I think Elon Musk is doing so much more to restore freedom of speech in this country, far more than the people criticizing him.
Sounds a lot like gun control in a state like Texas. The "pro gun" politicians appease gun control's loudest, most politically active, and most powerful pro-gun opponents. Thirty years later, "shall not be infringed" is still not even on the negotiating table. They continue to fight against us every step of the way with every ounce of political power they can muster. I don't care about Elon's $44Billion. I'd rather see Twitter burn to the ground, leaving room for other trees to sprout and grow in it's place.
Except, in your analogy, only the left was allowed to own guns and now he's making sure the vast majority of the right can now own guns too.
It may not be everyone, and it may still be more restrictive than you care for, but he's actually moving the Overton window back towards the right. He's not simply allowing it to slip further left.
My analogy was related to the 1995 concealed carry law and incremental laws since. No it wasn't that our political opponents got to carry, and then we did too. I agree. However, in 2008 when I got my CCW, I realized I could carry, but my wife couldn't. She wouldn't jump through the unconstitutional hoops to get it. Couldn't leave a gun in the car at work. Couldn't get over the fear of all the unconstitutional legal gotcha's that could get her in trouble, etc. etc.
So agree in part, disagree in part. The ccw law and incremental laws over the last 25+ years were better than 140 years of the total ban. But if I could have burned down the GOP political party in 1995, if I could do that now, why would I settle for that? Why should we defend the politicians when Texas 46.02 is still on the books? Why defend Musk on the same reasoning?
a) because every time someone accuses Elon of being compromised, he turns out not to be. He keeps moving the window to the right. There's no ADL on his advisory council, no advisory council at all anymore, etc, etc.
b) failure to understand that not everything can happen at once does not mean, nor even imply, that things will not eventually happen. You don't fight every battle in the war all at once. Ground must be taken, positions consolidated, logistics maneuvered.
c) because you don't have the option of burning down the GOP in 1995, nor overturning gun bans right now, nor having a better alternative than Musk. If you want truly free speech online, Gab is it. It is the ONLY option. Truth Social certainly doesn't allow truly free speech. Anything Google or Apple classify as hate speech is absolutely banned on Truth Social, and actively enforced too. That appears to no longer be the case on Twitter, which may make it even more free than Truth Social. This should be supported.
Great response.
Twitter needs like-minded friends (platforms).
Step 1 to restoring freedom of speech isn't keep a restriction on someone's freedom of speech.
In theory, now apply that to a platform like Twitter that has had a decade of rules and regulations governing it. Elon is doing the right thing slowly rolling back restrictions and restoring people's voices. He even expressed that if Apple and Google see these moves he is making as a threat and removes Twitter from the app stores that he might be willing to develop his own phone and store so that he doesn't have to compromise in order to have that type of presence. He even has Starlink and doesn't need telecoms.
Meanwhile, Alex Jones is still banned. As long as it's not you, it's OK.
No, that's one exception where I think Elon is letting his emotions cloud his judgement but who am I to judge someone's experience dealing with the situation he had to. Did you read his explanation for banning Alex Jones? By the way, are you certain that Alex Jones won't have his account reactivated in the general account amnesty that Elon Musk is blanket granting to all users next week?
We'll see.
Yes, I read his explanation. He feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeels....
Always look on the Dark Side of Life....
Seriously, the man put billions, he would like to at least break even. If he backs off on Jones for a bit, it's understandable.
He's putting his money where his mouth is, but people are complaining he isn't directly assaulting the Globalist Pillbox across 50 meters of open terrain. Give him a chance.
It's not you, so it's OK. Someone else is on ze train to ze camp, so it's OK. So a few people are being cooked in ovens, shot.
You're retarded for thinking that labeling him a "WEF stooge" means everything he does is bad or part or some sort of evil plot against you. What are you, a 12-year old that daddy gave access to the Internet?
The vast share of Elon’s money has come through government contracts. The media have promoted him as an iron man like genius figure for decades now, since the 90s. He got a banking charter as a twenty something grad school drop out. He’s a member of the ruling class plain and simple, and whatever he’s doing with Twitter benefits the ruling class
I think most people understand that. That doesn't mean he necessarily has bad intentions. All revolutions and shifts of power in the world are instigated by elites fighting other elites, and are often decided by how successful they are at gaining support or manufacturing consent for their cause. Don't trust him, but if we can get elites to do what we want, we should take that as a win.
How does him giving a voice to people who were silenced online benefit the ruling class? I believe he truly thinks he's doing good on a platform he has always loved using, and now owns. He doesn't need Twitter to make him money for him to be wealthy and he is taking a lot of shit for restoring conservatives to Twitter -- especially Trump. Antifa is threatening to attack Tesla locations over Elon suspending their accounts where they promote violence...again, a risk Elon could easily avoid by not doing something and responsible and (I think) good with Twitter. How does that benefit the ruling class?
What voice?
Oh, the muzzled one?
Conservatives had been targeted on Twitter for silencing. Elon acknowledged this in a recent response to a post as well.
No, the vast share of one of Elon's companies' money comes from government contracts. Elon's money comes from windfalls gained from revolutionary ideas and achievements realized, sold, and then appreciation and gains from stock and investing in those companies.
All gov't contract awards and subsidies from all of Elon's companies together, lifetime, equal less than 5% of Elon's wealth. He's not getting rich off of the government.
Where do you think Gab is getting money from?
Operation Doctor Demented? Operation Honeypot Traffic?
I think you've lost the thread, buddy.
Gab is funded by the user base buying subs and donating.
Elon has nothing to do with Gab.
Gab is funded all right....
Nah; more like a grown adult with arrested development.
Everything was good for the mouse that fateful Wednesday morn. He saw a piece of cheese just sitting there where he always strolled. But when he went to eat it, something clicked, and his back was broken before he could finish blinking.
I'm trying to decipher this but I don't really understand what you're eluding to...
He's trying to say that Elon is a globalist WEF stooge who looks like free cheese to us stupid mice, but we're going to get caught in a mouse trap and killed.
Terrible analogy, terrible point.
She would have been better than both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.....
How is he tied to the WEF?
On the other hand, Gab will keep its user base.
On the other hand, users will find ways around this.
I'm still using Gab, but have no friends there... :'(
Ditto. Free speech is worthless if there is no one on the platform listening. Whether that be due to the platform's policies, or that people don't want to use a fringe app, the effect is the same.
But at least the people have the choice not to use Gab or, if they're on the platform (I am not), they choose who to block and who to follow.
Torba's analogies of Jesus and Socrates are apt ones. I'd like to think Jesus would reject social media but the powers that be would probably refuse to allow others to share videos of His Preaching due to it "causing harm."
Mentions of Jesus or Christianity would’ve been banned. A smear campaign against Christians would’ve made them seem like the proud boys to the average citizen.
And the elder’s voices would’ve been magnified no matter what lies they spouted. Freedom of reach for them. Not for the little guys.
Should be stickied!
Spot on fella 👍
Andrew Torba > Elon. Gab is truly the only free speech arena on the internet. It’s beautiful
Here's the problem. Gab doesn't honor free speech either.
Yeah if you say blah blah blah in Minecraft that's a call to violence. I 'member him saying that won't be tolerated on Gab.
Go figure.
Has anyone tried calling Torba a Jesus-dick-sucking n-word faggot to test it out?
Yes. They've also offered constructive criticism, or been paid users whos information at Gab was hacked --- they've been booted from Gab with or without snark from Torba Tantrum.
Apparently not, because with how small it is, I don't have any "reach" with my speech there.
Napoleon Complex.
You can love or hate Torba, but you really should read what he wrote here. He’s completely correct.
I’m keeping an open mind about Musk, and I’m taking any and all wins that he’s delivering. That being said, I’m not fooling myself into believing he’s on our side. I think this is the right position to take right now.
People forget that winning is not a black and white situation. There are many shades of gray in there. Elon musk is not perfect but he is one of the shades of gray headed towards winning. It’s not ideal and it’s not exactly what we want, but things could definitely be a lot worse.
You MUST allow ALL points of view to reach everyone. THE ONLY WAY for social media to work is that the USER self-censors, NOT the platform. If you don't want to see something, you have to block it yourself, no you can't have it blocked for you and you can't have the platform intervene and block it for everyone else
This guy gets it. Self-censoring.
And usually more "hate" you add your comments, less popular they come. Like in here, cream (good comments) rises to the top and that one outburst that msm citades falls into bottom. You decide what you want to read twice.
so was "lock and load" cream or an outburst?
even pro pedo shit? no
OK, someone with a Twitter account post this on Twitter and see what happens.
Torba hates Trump and attacks him at every opportunity. Why is he so revered here on a Trump supporter site?
Same reason Fox is.
And didn't Catboi Fuentes leave Gab over lack of engagement or something?
Torba bans people on an arbitrary whim, like a crazy tyrant, over what they SAY.
He bans people who make constructive criticism over Gab Security Flaws and potential improvements that hurt his Fee Fees. Some Free Speech, not to mention bad management.
Right, and after they were stunned that Leftist Anarchist Hackers stole ALL their personal info from Gab as paid users... he called them cowards and to buck up.
Gab definitely shouldn't start a bank. "Yeah, we had shit security and all the vaults were robbed and all your silver coins, stamps, and title deeds were stolen, but don't be such a pussy, support a based bank like mine"
At one point, half of Gab users came from India.
Now, they come from Guatemala.
Torba has lied about Gab’s funding, lied about user policy and has lied about user numbers. He’s a total clown.
He lied about the Hack that revealed ALL of the contact information about ALL the paid users...
And called those who got doxxed basically whingers and wimps...
Due to his own sites massive Security Flaws.
He bans people for hurting Gab Management fee fees when they make constructive criticism.
The dude is a little tyrant with a temper.
Torba sure loves hopping on that hot take bandwagon. Elon isn't perfect and I don't agree with some of his policy changes but things are continuing to evolve for the better at twitter. Unless Torba has some examples he can link of shadow banned comments I'm just gonna say that is doing his usual attention grabbing by dragging his soap box over to the next most popular topic and making preachy comments about it.
Hehe, it is almost like he doesn't have god on his side.
“Hot take”, he’s just saying the truth.
He's an opportunistic snake. He's a cult leader.
THERE’S NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH WITHOUT FREEDOM OF REACH
Kind of like the 2A without public carry.
He's not wrong. However, people like me, an average Joe, never had reach on twitter anyway. The only thing I am celebrating is the return of Trump's account. The ability to share his prior tweets and videos, and statements made on other platforms outside of twitter, this is a win, because they cancelled him and cancelled us. I agree that Twitter is not a free speech platform and likely never will be, but I'll take the small wins. I don't really use social media. I made an account on Truth, still haven't figured out how to read comments on Trump's Truths, /sigh. Social media and limited character use isn't my cup of tea, sharing memes was all I did on twitter. I'm a forum girl and love the Donald. MAGA
He needs Twitter to be relevant to so he can influence the peasants and have leverage over politicians.
No different than owning a newspaper in the 1800s.
Twitter represents power and control.
"free speech" is just a phrase to get attention.
Just take the fucking win!! We all know it's not perfect!!
Besides this being cringe. There's always a main platform and Gab ain't it. It's Twitter. Twitter is like Microsoft and Gab isn't even Linux, it's like some BSD distro. It's good that those other platforms exist, but they ain't going to go mainstream. It's the whole reason Elon bought Twitter instead of making his own platform. The only small point this post made was to reiterate freedom of reach in the small chance Elon might happen to read it.
Sure it is still a problem, but there is a huge difference though between Elons "freedom of Reach" and Others. Others say that to mean they should be allowed to crush your reach not just for some but for everything you say. Elons way is to allow it but not force it onto others. It still will be there, it still will have reach, but it won't be shoved down peoples throats by Twitter. It is not the same policy by far, it is radically better than before even if it is not perfect.
I sense envy, fear, and braggadocios from Torba. Torba's statement has some points, but one major problem with his post is that it ultimately leads to an absolute singular way of life in society, instead of a simple free speech society where people can make their own choices in life. In the meantime, the FBI plays Gab like a fiddle while Torba says Jesus is King.
FBI? Oh, they see Torba as a threat and Musk as not?
Well maybe they're on to something for once.
Torba runs to the FBI with info, just like it was super easy for Anarchists to hack the site and get all the personal info of paid users.
Makes one wonder.
Torba lets you say. Huge numbers of network surveillance points, very few situations where people can be fairly frank and it's not always the appropriate forum. I think Mike Lindell has the much more forthright approach: Things can be made to happen by human action on a very quick basis if people are likely to uphold their responsibilities.
But wonder not if you harbor some illusions as to the inevitability that what's repeated most is actually what most affects human behavior.
Some people are SUPER angry about Elon Musk buying Twitter. But several good things have happened! TheNoticing is still usable/searchable as a hash tag, Donald Trump's account has been reinstated, much child porn has been blocked . . .
Things Are Better, even if they're not perfect.
Fuck Torba, the faggot who doxxes his users to the FBI with a simple email, no subpoena necessary this faggot will run to turn you in. I hope he burns in fucking hell like the grifting piece of shit he is.
When did he do that?
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/gab-users-revolt-andrew-torba-cooperating-fbi/
Appreciate what has happened with Elon buying Twitter, but don't hold people as idols. Always understand that games are being played.
A thought occurred to me with Elon buying Twitter. What if someone asked him to buy it? What if certain people realized the US and societies in general were falling apart, and they realized that something could be done by getting him to buy Twitter?
The reality? Musk owns Neuralink, is deep in AI, and now has access to unlimited communications from people, which may in the near future all be funneled through his Starlink system.
Remember when Twitter made an AI to interact with people, and after two weeks it began crapping on riggers and faggots nonstop?
If Elon does the thing you're speaking of, it's gonna be hilarious to look at.
Truth Social has the same restrictions on “hate speech” as Twitter, so anyone who bashes Elon for it should be consistent and bash Trump as well.
CEO of competing social media platform shits on the competition. Gee, imagine that. Who ever heard of such a thing?
Dang. Good read.
My freedom of speech does not = my right to be heard.
With respect to Mr. Torba, it was not the numbers of listeners of Jesus, but the resonant and Truth of the message that Jesus provided to the flock...He drew into the sand, and spoke a different message of explanation to His disciples than to His followers. Truth trumps propaganda...sometimes it takes two thousand years to ram through the mental barricades constructed by the older sheeple.
That is beautiful.
This rings hollow coming from a guy that censors on his own platform.
Wow !
I told ya the Jesuit Trained Honeypot Operator with endless cash to run his site from nowhere was gonna be mucho Mad.